Recording issue
Michael Dobony
a problem I discovered. We record the praise and worship and also the
sermons. I have never noticed a problem with the sermon CD's, but was asked
to do some of the songs from worship for our small group. After ripping the
CD with Media Player 11 I combined the tracks (automatically split every 5
minutes) in Total Recorder 8 and then split them into separate songs. The
volume level was low, but no problem. MP3Gain will fix that! This is when I
discovered that all the tracks are clipping! I thought that was strange
considering the low volume level. My initial thought was that there was a
problem with some individual channel gains. I have noticed in the past that
someone messes around with levels during the week. I checked the channels
today (it was my turn to run sound) and everything was fine on every
channel. All the levels throughout the system were good and nowhere near
clipping. We record directly to a Marantz CD recorder from Group 1 on a wye
cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player and set the level to hit red
only on occasion and only on the heavy passages. I also ran the record
levels a little lower today and again every track is clipping. A-B
comparison between the CD and the MP3 file show no difference between them.
the unaltered MP3 levels are at about 90 db, but the volume seems low. This
also seems to be common after talking to someone who works with the
recordings every week. Any thoughts on where the problem might be? My only
thought is the CD recorder. I may set up my laptop to record directly to
MP3 next week.
Mike D.
Krooburg Science
Problem 1#: you should not be using a Y cable to sum channels. One
output tries to drive the other since both are low impedance. You
should only drive high impedance inputs. The result can be distortion
and potential damage to the output circuit.
Problem #2. It sounds like you have a phase or polarity problem
between the 2 channels. Once combined to mono, channels with flipped
polarity will cancel out signals common to both channels. If there's a
phase shift, it can cause comb filtering and partial cancellation.
K.
Phil Allison
"Krooburg Science"
Problem 1#: you should not be using a Y cable to sum channels.
** The OP is not doing that.
His Y lead links L and R inputs.
.... Phil
liquidator
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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That was my uderstanding...he's basically just recording dual mono.
Tim Perry
"Michael Dobony" <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
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1: put a 10dB pad between mixer and recorder. Set record levels to never
peak.
2: rip to wave and edit in wave. convert to MP3 at the last step.
Michael Dobony
Sliders are already near max to get near peak. I will see if I can find a
pad somewhere or see if there is a pad on th mixer for that output.
Phildo
"Michael Dobony" <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
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> cable to the stereo inputs on the CD player
And there is your problem.
Basic sound 101. Amazing that someone who claims to know as much about sound
as you do could make such a simple error.
Phildo
Tim Perry
"Phildo" <Ph...@phildo.net> wrote in message
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Um phil... most line outs have a series resistor of some value or other
making resistive summing practical with a simple wye cable. I don't think
this is what he is doing here...sounds like subgroup one to a wye to both
record inputs.
Michael Dobony
Phil is brain dead. That is one reason he is blocked. Since he can't figure
out simple English I will have to further explain. Single output from group
1 through a wye cable to left and right inputs. It is NOT summing, but
spitting an output into 2 separate inputs, same signal to left and right
channels in the recorder. Are there any other ways I can say it to make it
clearer to the abuser and grade school dropout? I guess it depends on how
drunk or stoned he is. It doesn't appear that he can read anything right
FWIS.
Phildo
"Tim Perry" <timp...@donespameroadrunner.com> wrote in message
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Depends on the Cd recorder he is using. Personally I think this is where
his problem lies.
Phildo
Phildo
> Phil is brain dead.
This from someone who tries to "fix" homosexuals and thinks SM58s are
omnidirectional.
>That is one reason he is blocked.
No, it is because you cannot stand seeing me show you up as a fool every
time you post. The truth hurts so much you block it out like an emu sticks
his head in the sand.
>Since he can't figure
> out simple English I will have to further explain. Single output from
> group
> 1 through a wye cable to left and right inputs. It is NOT summing, but
> spitting an output into 2 separate inputs, same signal to left and right
> channels in the recorder. Are there any other ways I can say it to make it
> clearer to the abuser and grade school dropout?
YOU are the abuser here. As for grade school dropout, try university
graduate.
> I guess it depends on how
> drunk or stoned he is.
I have posted several times I am teetotal and do not smoke weed either.
>It doesn't appear that he can read anything right
Come back when you have a clue dipshit.
Phildo
Getting Older and Grumpier Gear Minion
wrote:
> "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote in message
I'm wondering if the subgroup is balanced out and his recorder
is unbalanced. thus needing a proper cable to keep order in
the signal chain.not to mention the possibility of overdriving the
recorder input,even though meters do not indicate it.
What's the actual voltage going to the CD recorder,
and is that within the device spec.?
It's old school but you have to start at the
first output.
Rupert
You bring up a good point. Depending on the output topology of the
subgroup, it may not like being driven "single ended" into an
unbalanced load. Mike, what type of inputs does the CD recorder have
and how is the wye cable wired? What is the model of the mixer? The
other thing I was thinking is that the output of the group is balanced
and the wye cable is wired so that it's separating hot & cold plus
shield to unbalanced lines which would yield flipped polarity of left
with respect to right at the CD inputs. During playback that could be
a problem, especially if the CD's outputs are mixed to mono.
Rupert
Phil Allison
"Rupert"
You bring up a good point. Depending on the output topology of the
subgroup, it may not like being driven "single ended" into an
unbalanced load. Mike, what type of inputs does the CD recorder have
and how is the wye cable wired?
** Being one of Dopney's leads -
it will have all signal and ground pins reversed for a start...
... Phil
liquidator
Perhaps a diode wired in to make sure no DC?
Rupert
Wouldn't a blocking cap be more appropriate for DC blocking?
liquidator
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T'were a joke. Sorry guess it fell flat.
Tim Perry
"liquidator" <mi...@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
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you need to rectify that
Rupert
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> >> "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> >> > You bring up a good point. Depending on the output topology of the
> >> > subgroup, it may not like being driven "single ended" into an
> >> > unbalanced load. Mike, what type of inputs does the CD recorder have
> >> > and how is the wye cable wired?
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> >> > it will have all signal and ground pins reversed for a start...
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> >> > ... Phil
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> >> Perhaps a diode wired in to make sure no DC?
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> > Wouldn't a blocking cap be more appropriate for DC blocking?
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> > T'were a joke. Sorry guess it fell flat.
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> you need to rectify that
But does he have the capacitance...
Arkansan Raider
This next pun is facing some resistance...
liquidator
"Arkansan Raider" <yom...@yomama.com> wrote in message
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You're providing impedance to the flow of free thought...
Arkansan Raider
Fine. I'm taking my ball and going Ohm.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
go ohm and you will never get inducted into the hall effect of fame
Arkansan Raider
...An action the effects of which will reverberate for generations.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
. Phil>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a diode wired in to make sure no DC?
>>>>>>>> Wouldn't a blocking cap be more appropriate for DC blocking?
>>>>>>>> T'were a joke. Sorry guess it fell flat.
>>>>>>> you need to rectify that
>>>>>> But does he have the capacitance...
>>>>> This next pun is facing some resistance...
>>>>>
>>>> You're providing impedance to the flow of free thought...
>>> Fine. I'm taking my ball and going Ohm.
>>>
>>> ---Jeff
>>
>> go ohm and you will never get inducted into the hall effect of fame
>>
>>
>
> ...An action the effects of which will reverberate for generations.
>
> ---Jeff
>
That's a pale echo of a sonic pun. Before we repeat, we must kill this
cycle.
Arkansan Raider
Oooooh, ouch. That Hertz.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
I don't want to shock you but currently after the Obama electron I don't get
a charge out of politics.
Arkansan Raider
Dunno why you told me that. I don't know you from Atom.
---Jeff
McSteve
> Dunno why you told me that. I don't know you from Atom.
>
This whole thread lacks balance. Keep it up, and
you'll all run it into the ground. What on earth are you thinking?
Not trying to be negative, here.
--
Steve <snip> McQ
Arkansan Raider
I'm absolutely positive that you just XLR8ed our demise. But we're
gonna' keep pluggin' away for a while until we make that connection.
---Jeff
liquidator
Not trying to give you a lot of static but some in this thread should be up
on charges.
I didn't volt in the last election.
Arkansan Raider
Let's try not to hash it out here. I doubt some know Watt they're doing.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
I sense no reluctance to terminate these remarks.
I lack the energy to continue much longer for as we all know, a joule and
his money are soon parted out.
Arkansan Raider
Yeah, I'm kinda' with you on that--it's lookin' like the end of the
line, here. Mostly cuz there ain't jack left to talk about. At least
nothin' that rings a Bel.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
Wire we doing this? It's unbecoming conduction with the potential for a
re-volt.
Arkansan Raider
Hard to gauge. Can't strand to watch it at this point.
---Jeff
Arkansan Raider
Back in the day, we'd have pun wars in the barracks. One guy would start
with a subject and it would go around the room until someone either
repeated or couldn't come up with another one. That person had to start
the next subject.
We were known for going 15-20 minutes on a topic.
This thread has been bringing back memories of fun times like that.
Thanks for that.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't a blocking cap be more appropriate for DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blocking?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T'were a joke. Sorry guess it fell flat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to rectify that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But does he have the capacitance...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This next pun is facing some resistance...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're providing impedance to the flow of free thought...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fine. I'm taking my ball and going Ohm.
>>>>>>>>>>> fame
>>>>>>>>>> ...An action the effects of which will reverberate for
>>>>>>>>>> generations.
>>>>>>>>> this cycle.
>>>>>>>> Oooooh, ouch. That Hertz.
>>>>>>> don't get a charge out of politics.
>>>>>> Not trying to give you a lot of static but some in this thread should
>>>>>> be up on charges.
>>>>>> I didn't volt in the last election.
>>>>> Let's try not to hash it out here. I doubt some know Watt they're
>>>>> doing.
>>>> I lack the energy to continue much longer for as we all know, a joule
>>>> and his money are soon parted out.
>>> Yeah, I'm kinda' with you on that--it's lookin' like the end of the
>>> line, here. Mostly cuz there ain't jack left to talk about. At least
>>> nothin' that rings a Bel.
>> re-volt.
> Hard to gauge. Can't strand to watch it at this point.
>
> ---Jeff
Fortune magazine
Arkansan Raider
Well, if you're knob ready to stop, I'm gonna' pad my stats. It mic get
interesting.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
>> of Fortune magazine
> Well, if you're knob ready to stop, I'm gonna' pad my stats. It mic get
> interesting.
>
> ---Jeff
Speakering for myself, I recommend your attenuation to a new rock group: the
Bass Band
Arkansan Raider
Well, I'm gonna' step it up a notch--gonna' equalize things by gettin'
graphic.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
>> the Bass Band
> Well, I'm gonna' step it up a notch--gonna' equalize things by gettin'
> graphic.
>
> ---Jeff
If you have 2 slippery cable covers do you have a pair o' mat risks?
Arkansan Raider
Hey, not bad. I'm compressed.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
> Hey, not bad. I'm compressed.
>
> ---Jeff
Do old mixers never die? Do they just fade away?
Arkansan Raider
They just signal the end, FOH sho.
---Jeff
Tim Perry
> They just signal the end, FOH sho.
liquidator
Before retiring a mixer you must give it a pre fade listen...
Tim Perry
liquidator
Tim Perry
>>> Before retiring a mixer you must give it a pre fade listen...
>> Afer retiring a mixer do you get more miles per gallium?
> We should take these posts and barium.
Arkansan Raider
Oh, eat my shorts.
---Jeff
Arkansan Raider
Nah, from one end to the other, merely transistory movement...
---Jeff
Tim Perry
Don't blow a breaker, I'm not hungry but I'll take a little juice
Arkansan Raider
Don't worry, I don't have *that* short a fuse. But I coulda' had a V8
(though it wouldn't have generated much attention).
---Jeff
Phildo
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Oh dear, that means 95% of all mixing desks will never get retired ;-)
Phildo
Arkansan Raider
I looked up "one trick pony" in the dictionary and saw your picture.
---Jeff
liquidator
"Phildo" <Ph...@phildo.net> wrote in message
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You have a pension for repeating that.
Arny Krueger
I think you meant penchant, but as written it is probably pretty accurate.
;-)
Ron
I think it was a pun retiring.. pension...
liquidator
Arny Krueger
I can work with that! ;-)
Ron
Phildo
It's worth repeating, especially since Arny still won't be man enough to
admit he is wrong and sticks by it.
All he has to do is admit his mistake and we lose that particular piece of
ammunition but he just doesn't have the guts or common decency to do it.
Wouldn't matter though as there are plenty more hilarious Arnyisms he has
yet to admit he is wrong about.
Phildo
Tim Perry
> Don't worry, I don't have *that* short a fuse. But I coulda' had a V8
> (though it wouldn't have generated much attention).
>
> ---Jeff
liquidator
Arkansan Raider
427 Cobra Jet in a Tonka.
---Jeff
Arkansan Raider
> Nothing like a V8 for a quick pickup
>
>
Did Ibanez Seymour Duncan than he wanted to?
---Jeff
liquidator
Definitely a quick pickup!
As a former exec with the Performance Ford Club, I must point out the C-Jet
was the 428. 427 was the Nascar motor that also won the LeMans 24 hour...I
actually got to touch one of the 427 powered GT40's.
A C-Jet was essentially a half breed of a 428 Police engine with the early
Nascar heads on it.
.
Arkansan Raider
Whoops, my bad. I was thinkin' 427 side oiler and thought that'd be too
obscure, so I typed CJ instead without changing the displacement. Good
catch.
And I'd kill to get my hands on a GT40. Or just about anything Shelby.
Back in high school in the mid-80's, a buddy of mine had a '69 Mach One
and we ran into a guy with a 67 Stang that had a 428 CJ in it that ran
on aviation fuel. A buck forty on the freeway convinced us both.
/Still kickin' myself over letting my '67 Fastback go. It only had a
289, but I miss that thing. Kids and their mistakes...
---Jeff
liquidator
,a 67, Fasback I hope? although the coupe and convertible ain't shabby
either.
I don't do big blocks anymore other than the occasional part out for
ebay...
Last engine build was a streeter...351W with a Scat 3 7/8 stroker...Manley
aluminum heads...390 cubes and about 450 horses on pump gas..it weighs
almost exactly same as a 302...and is a bolt in other than exhaust
manifolds.
Put it in a 68 'stang coupe, and drove it to one of the Ford
shows...another member of the club fell in love with it and used unfair
tactics...he offered triple what I had invested. Even love has its price.
I just don't have the energy to do another one though. Maybe spring will get
me going again.
I'd love a GT40...silly to think you could pick one up in th UK in the 70's
for maybe 6 grand...there was one on eBay a couple years back....1.4 million
bid, reserve not met.
Ron
As a squib, I sat in the Bruce McLaren/Chris Amon Le Mans winning GT40,
The John Wyer 'Gulf' GT40, and the Ford 3 Litre Prototype, chatted with
Graham Hill and Brian Redmond and drooled over the Jim Clark Lotus F1
car and Lotus Cortina.
Such were the days when a manufacturer would hold free open days in
local dealerships complete with genuine racing cars and real life drivers.
There was no pa system as far as I remember, so dead off topic there then ;)
Ron(UK)
Arkansan Raider
>> liquidator wrote:
>>> As a former exec with the Performance Ford Club, I must point out the
>>> C-Jet was the 428. 427 was the Nascar motor that also won the LeMans 24
>>> hour...I actually got to touch one of the 427 powered GT40's.
>>>
>>> A C-Jet was essentially a half breed of a 428 Police engine with the
>>> early Nascar heads on it.
>>>
>> Whoops, my bad. I was thinkin' 427 side oiler and thought that'd be too
>> obscure, so I typed CJ instead without changing the displacement. Good
>> catch.
>>
>> And I'd kill to get my hands on a GT40. Or just about anything Shelby.
>>
>> Back in high school in the mid-80's, a buddy of mine had a '69 Mach One
>> and we ran into a guy with a 67 Stang that had a 428 CJ in it that ran on
>> aviation fuel. A buck forty on the freeway convinced us both.
>>
>> /Still kickin' myself over letting my '67 Fastback go. It only had a 289,
>> but I miss that thing. Kids and their mistakes...
>>
>> ---Jeff
>
> ,a 67, Fasback I hope? although the coupe and convertible ain't shabby
> either.
No, it was a coupe, unfortunately. It was still pretty stinkin' cool.
>
> I don't do big blocks anymore other than the occasional part out for
> ebay...
>
> Last engine build was a streeter...351W with a Scat 3 7/8 stroker...Manley
> aluminum heads...390 cubes and about 450 horses on pump gas..it weighs
> almost exactly same as a 302...and is a bolt in other than exhaust
> manifolds.
>
> Put it in a 68 'stang coupe, and drove it to one of the Ford
> shows...another member of the club fell in love with it and used unfair
> tactics...he offered triple what I had invested. Even love has its price.
>
> I just don't have the energy to do another one though. Maybe spring will get
> me going again.
Someday. When I get back on my financial feet, I might go there. But
heck, that hobby's almost as expensive as doing pro audio now.
>
> I'd love a GT40...silly to think you could pick one up in th UK in the 70's
> for maybe 6 grand...there was one on eBay a couple years back....1.4 million
> bid, reserve not met.
>
Correction: *More* expensive than pro audio.
---Jeff
Arkansan Raider
>
> As a squib, I sat in the Bruce McLaren/Chris Amon Le Mans winning GT40,
> The John Wyer 'Gulf' GT40, and the Ford 3 Litre Prototype, chatted with
> Graham Hill and Brian Redmond and drooled over the Jim Clark Lotus F1
> car and Lotus Cortina.
> Such were the days when a manufacturer would hold free open days in
> local dealerships complete with genuine racing cars and real life drivers.
You suck.
/Aaaaaaaand jealousy rears its ugly head...
//Wishing *I* could've done all that...
///But not quite old enough to have been able. Wasn't born until 1967.
> There was no pa system as far as I remember, so dead off topic there
> then ;)
>
> Ron(UK)
LOL
But so enjoyably off topic! (=^D
---Jeff