Advice using JBL EON G2s
Rock
I am trying out a couple of G2's this weekend as FOH instead of my usual
passive wood box with a 15 + horn.
I am looking to cut down on size and weight this looking at the G2s.
What is the best way to configure them?
Out from mixer to one than daisy to the other?
Full on at the G2 and use the mixer fader as usual.
My normal rig is..
Inkel 1410 mixer
750 side yammy stereo amp for FOH and mons
750 side Jands stereo amp for mons and sub
Outboard box with FX, Comp,EQ's
Pumping 50's Rock n Roll 5 piece group 4 vocals.
Any advice, tips, appreciated.
Rock
Ralph Staub
> Hi,
>
> I am trying out a couple of G2's this weekend as FOH instead of my usual
> passive wood box with a 15 + horn.
>
> I am looking to cut down on size and weight this looking at the G2s.
Best way to use JBL eons is to place them on the floor, right at the
doorway. This will hold the door open while you roll in the speakers you
intend to use. If you really want to go the plastic speaker route, the
M*ckie SRM450 is a much better option. The eons sound awful.
>
> What is the best way to configure them?
As far as connections go, daisy chaining is fine, assuming you're in
mono. Gain structure is subjective... My advice is to run some music at
about -10dBu on the Mixer and set your powered speakers to the level you
think you'll need. That'll give you some headroom at FOH if you need it,
but without destroying your S/N ratio.
Ralph
liquidator
"Rock" <19...@pobox.com> wrote in message news:404D8C7B...@pobox.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am trying out a couple of G2's this weekend as FOH instead of my usual
> passive wood box with a 15 + horn.
>
Virtually this entire group hates them we do have one moron who posts how
transparent they are. Just proves there is one silly goose in any group. I
would try the Mackie 450's (Made by RCF)
Tim S Kemp
Saw some transparent Peaveys the other day - made from transparent plastic,
I bet they sounded as crap as they looked.
liquidator
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> Saw some transparent Peaveys the other day - made from transparent
plastic,
> I bet they sounded as crap as they looked.
>
transparent plastic. They sucked.
Analogeezer
I've got a pair of the 10" G2's, I use them as a stereo keyboard
monitoring rig (for a Yamaha S80, Roland JD800, Andromeda A6, Oberheim
OB-8, and MPX-1 for FX...using a Mackie LM-3204 mixer)...for that app
they work great but I have noticed when pressed into service for
regular monitoring purposes (e.g. vocals), they don't sound all that
great...especially without EQ.
I guess saying they sound a lot better than your typical keyboard amp
is damning them with faint praise.
That I actually like JBL stuff but am kinda lukewarm about the Eons
says a lot I guess.
Analogeezer
Bobster123
wrote:
> I
>would try the Mackie 450's (Made by RCF)
I thought Mackie and RCF have parted ways.
sydirect
http://www.venuemusic.com.au/Products.asp?ProdID=299
They are supposed to be very good also and certainly cheaper.
Syd
Pooh Bear
I thought so too. Mackie needs to sell assets to stay afloat.
It's still called a Mackie SRM450 though - and presumably still uses RCF
bits.
I can't wait to see that Tapco crap :-) . Reckon it'll kill 'Mackie' off
for sure, although I also heard they're splitting bits off - anyone know
more ?
Graham
Bobster123
wrote:
>t's still called a Mackie SRM450 though - and presumably still uses RCF
>bits.
According to Mackie's Web site, their speakers are now being used with
components from "Eminence, B&C, 18-Sound, P-Audio and RCF."
liquidator
"Bobster123" <bobst...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sorry but you and Pooh are both wrong.
There were essentially 2 Mackies- the overall Mackie and the division that
made crappy mixers. The overall company also owned RCF and EAW. The company
was acquired out of bankruptcy by Sun Marketing. The name of the overall
company is now Loud technologies. They still own RCF and the 450 is still
made by RCF. The decision that has been made is in the future Mackie will be
low end speakers and the RCF will be marketed as a premium product. So some
effort is being made to distance the two.
If nothing else your own statement indicates mackie still uses some RCF
parts. They have not parted ways and are still parts of the same company.
liquidator
"liquidator" <liqui...@collide.org> wrote in message
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>
It does appear that I am incorrect in part of my posting.
I contacted a friend at in the industry who does say that RCF has split from
Loud Technologies. However he does say the 450 at this point is still made
in its entirety by RCF. My apologies for incorrect info I do my best not to
do that.
Richard Cooper
> I contacted a friend at in the industry who does say that RCF has split from
> Loud Technologies. However he does say the 450 at this point is still made
> in its entirety by RCF. My apologies for incorrect info I do my best not to
> do that.
It appears that RCF has been bought by a group of investors including
the managing director of RCF prior to its sale to mackie who now runs DB
Technologies.
Ripped from the press release on DB Technologies website.
"In a surprise move, a group of investors, lead by Arturo Vicari have
bought all of the assets of Mackie Designs Italy Spa. The new company
was immediately renamed RCF Spa and has been formed by a Group of
Italian entrepreneurs and investors. Arturo Vicari is the major
shareholder of RCF Spa and will take up the position of managing
Director of the new company, the position he held prior to the sale of
the company to Mackie Inc. ( Loud Technologies ) Mr. Alfredo
Macchiaverna, who is a well known consultant of Reggio Emilia has been
nominated President of the Board, he will be representing the group of
shareholders. The Italian Bank "Banca Aletti" is financial advisor to
the business and has a representative on the new Board of RCF Spa.
Arturo Vicari commented on the acquisition We plan to start production
at the beginning of January. As you can imagine we are already working
night and day to restructure the company, we will be looking to get back
some of the key people that left the company during the last few years
in order to be able to return RCF to the prominent position in the
market which it had held previously . He added The obvious synergy
between AEB (dB technologies Arturo s existing business) will
significantly increase the speed of the R&D to develop new products that
should be ready for Frankfurt, where we expect to be able to have a
Major impact on the market . In a separate development, it was announced
that Phil Price would be spearheading the UK Sales Operations. Phil
Price commented I am really excited to be working again with Arturo and
as you know the RCF brand has been part of my life for over a decade. I
am looking forward to renewing many long established customer
relationships ."
Joel Foner
> > I am trying out a couple of G2's this weekend as FOH instead of my usual
> > passive wood box with a 15 + horn.
> >
> I agree with the other poster trash the G2's
>
> Virtually this entire group hates them we do have one moron who posts how
> transparent they are. Just proves there is one silly goose in any group. I
> would try the Mackie 450's (Made by RCF)
I'll attempt to be helpful without creating a new stream of flames...
G2's sound pretty tubby. I did a walk-in gig where G2's were 'the system'
and did my best to fix them. If you have to use them, take a cut out
somewhere between 250 and 500 (I haven't used them for a while). This will
at least take "some" of the mud out of them. They also have a spike in the
upper mids around 5k if I remember right. A bit of a cut somewhere around
there may help.
In general I agree that the 450's sound "better", BUT they have a pretty
nasty spike in the upper range if you push them - around 6.3k if I remember
right. This one if untamed can take your head off so fool around a bit and
find the spot to trim a bit (-2-3 dB). At lower levels they are ok. They do
sound a bit pinched (due to small horn throat?), but again we're comparing
against G2's and the like and this is more a of a nit.
Hope this helps,
Joel
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> I'll attempt to be helpful without creating a new stream of flames...
>
I agree somewhat about the flames. But when someone posts that Eon G2 15's
are flat from 40 hz to 20 khz (this was an actual post to the group)
someone's gotta be the bad guy and say it just ain't true.
I don't use ANY gear around that price point by choice. But I understand not
having unlimited funds and just try to help people get the best thay can. I
have no brand loyalty to JBL boxes that aren't filled with JBL components.
liquidator
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Thanks Richard.
Rock
really. I'll borrow/hire and listen to both before I buy.
Have just heard about a guy with a similar group who has 2 G2s FOH up to
250/300 people and 2 G2 side fill for mons.
With larger crowds he turns the side fills around so he has 2 Gs each
side FOH and uses 4 powered Alto Evis 12 150 watts for regular foldback.
He says both configs are excellent for them.
Also just heard today about a RCF300A.
How does that rate?
Rock
Bobster123
>Also just heard today about a RCF300A.
>
>How does that rate?
That's the ART300A from RCF. I've owned a pair for several years and have been
very happy with them.
They're basically the prototype to the Mackie SRM450, but I always felt the
ART300A was a better speaker. Seemed to handle heat better than the SRM450,
and less watts to the horn (60 vs 100) made for a less harsh sound.
Hubert Barth
>Also just heard today about a RCF300A.
>
>How does that rate?
One of the best in its class IMHO
regards
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Cologne/Germany
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Joel Foner
> I agree somewhat about the flames. But when someone posts that Eon G2
> 15's
> are flat from 40 hz to 20 khz (this was an actual post to the group)
> someone's gotta be the bad guy and say it just ain't true.
Oops. Didn't mean you to take it as a cut - I didn't mean to say that your
post was out of line - was more trying to see if I could comment in some
useful way without starting another "that s*^&kx" thread on the going
forward path!
G2's certainly aren't flat from 40-20k, or through any substantial part of
the spectrum. Wouldn't it be great if the vendors could be held to specs
about how they present their frequency response curves. Wow. If everyone had
to use the same amount of curve smoothing (or maybe none at all), we might
actually see something useful. Reminds me of "music power" in amplifiers. It
would be an eye opener for folks to see the unsmoothed frequency response
curves of various speakers. The marketing folks would have a cow and a half!
:)
Regards,
Joel
Rock
Well I have just had a long talk to a guy who is possibly the leading
supplier of full sound systems to large venues here.
He said 7 of the top audio guys here did a blind test with 8 of the
plastic box powered speakers (covered in black so they couldn't tell)and
without doubt the RCF300 came up hands down the best over tye G2, 450
and others.
The article tho' hard to read, is here, if anyone cares to look.
He has most of the brands in stock but definatley suggested I take the
RCF300s. So Tuesday next we'll take our best ears and go listen.
All your comments have been very informative for which I thank you for
your time.
Rock
George Gleason
> would be an eye opener for folks to see the unsmoothed frequency response
> curves of various speakers. The marketing folks would have a cow and a
half!
>
nobody would buy anything!!!
George
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"Rock" <19...@pobox.com> wrote in message news:40502EA2...@pobox.com...
I had 6 of them , some of the first in the country
a dj flamed two of them
and I found them to be unroadworthy
looking like shit after two or three gentle gigs
grill rusting in the roadcases
and they all suffered amp failures
I am not saying anything else is better but my experiance with the 300a's
was a 3000$ waste of money
Rock
Well I tried out 2 JBL G2s last night. With the desk fader at 1/4 up
and levels on the G2 at 12 o'clock we blew the 250 room away. The sound
was awesome!
Had them on a stand each side of the stage and they really were
brilliant. The EQs were HF 10 o'clock LF 8 o'clock and the clean bottom
end just sang out.
Mind you it was a really 'live' room and stage but big fat the sound
seemed to just 'jump' out of them!
I have heard that some find these speakers 'muddy'. Well my soundman and
I will be great salesmen for them now and at this point, I'm going to
buy this model.
Then again, I try out RCF300a 's on Tuesday and what I hear is they are
better.. Well, they'll have to great, so we'll see I guess!
BTW:I have also been told the RCF's of yesterday are very different from
the current RCF stuff!
Oz
George Gleason
> Well I tried out 2 JBL G2s last night. With the desk fader at 1/4 up
> and levels on the G2 at 12 o'clock we blew the 250 room away. The sound
> was awesome!
>
> Had them on a stand each side of the stage and they really were
> brilliant. The EQs were HF 10 o'clock LF 8 o'clock and the clean bottom
> end just sang out.
>
I have been forced to use them dozens of times
never have they had anything that approached "smooth" or "hifi"
I find the bass exagerated the mids non existant and the high piercing
Total crap sound
mix on a set or EAW 650's or SLS 1290's
meyer upa-1's
and you will never be delighted to see the eons again
Hell I once thought the pinto was a "good" car
and buttwiper (budweiser)was good beer
you need more time with better gear
Joel Foner
What of your group actually goes into the G2's? I went back and noticed your
description of the music as
"Pumping 50's Rock n Roll 5 piece group 4 vocals"
If you did this to Eons with a full mix with a 5-piece rock group you'd
surely shred the woofers through the grilles, so I'm guessing you've got
very little of things like kick drum and bass in there, right? Likely in a
room of 250 there's minimal need for guitar in there either, other than to
add a little edge. So that leaves maybe keys and vox mostly, and with that
in the mix over mostly acoustic output from the group I don't think you'd
hear the characteristics that I was talking about. Am I guessing at all in
the ballpark for how you're actually using these? If you had a quieter stage
level, or were in a larger room or outside, or compared against some other
offerings you might hear what I'm talking about. On the other hand - if it
works for you and you love the sound and the price is right - then you've
found the answer! I haven't tried or heard the RCF's and can't comment or
compare.
Something else to take a look at - Guitar Center apparently just picked up
the Turbosound MI line. I haven't heard these yet either (they just showed
up a week ago up here), but a local engineer I respect said that he thinks
they're easily the best sounding speakers that Guitar Center carries, and
they're priced about like the G2's. I'm not sure if they're powered though.
If I get a chance to check them out I'll write, but don't hold your breath
this week - have several shows to attend to and not much for spare time. If
you have a GC around I'd drop by and see if you can compare the G2's and the
Turbosound 15's side by side to see what you think.
Regards,
Joel
Tim S Kemp
> Something else to take a look at - Guitar Center apparently just
> picked up the Turbosound MI line. I haven't heard these yet either
> (they just showed up a week ago up here), but a local engineer I
> respect said that he thinks they're easily the best sounding speakers
> that Guitar Center carries, and they're priced about like the G2's.
> I'm not sure if they're powered though. If I get a chance to check
> them out I'll write, but don't hold your breath this week - have
> several shows to attend to and not much for spare time. If you have a
> GC around I'd drop by and see if you can compare the G2's and the
> Turbosound 15's side by side to see what you think.
If he's referring to the new TXD range they are great value - they're a bit
top heavy but that's the market they're designed for - club and pub rather
than concert sound. All passive (even the subs can be run passive, but the
crossover can be bypassed).
I'm using TXD215 subs in installs now as a cheap but lively double 15. The
12" top is good, the 15" sounds great but is not too smooth. They go very
loud and will handle plenty of power for a cheap speaker, I prefer the
smoother sound of the Q light range but they're 50% to 100% dearer per box.
Denny Conn
> Well I tried out 2 JBL G2s last night. With the desk fader at 1/4 up
> and levels on the G2 at 12 o'clock we blew the 250 room away. The sound
> was awesome!
When you say "awesome" (God, I hate the overuse of that word!), what
else have you heard to compare them to? IMO, they may be adequate for
some situations, but I can't imagine even calling them "very good" let
alone "awesome".
---------->Denny
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Joel Foner
> If he's referring to the new TXD range they are great value - they're a
> bit top heavy but that's the market they're designed for - club and pub
> rather
> than concert sound. All passive (even the subs can be run passive, but the
> crossover can be bypassed).
>
> I'm using TXD215 subs in installs now as a cheap but lively double 15. The
> 12" top is good, the 15" sounds great but is not too smooth. They go very
> loud and will handle plenty of power for a cheap speaker, I prefer the
> smoother sound of the Q light range but they're 50% to 100% dearer per
> box.
Thanks Tim,
Joel