Fig 8 unbalanced cable UK?
Gareth Magennis
Any one know a good place to source unbalanced and/or balanced Fig 8 cable
in the UK?
To make these kind of things,
http://www.dv247.com/cables/dv-studio-cable-dvsccpr203-3m-dual-phono-dual-jack-audio-cable--28255
also for Technics 1210's etc?
Cheers,
Gareth.
Ron
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis Never says what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
Twin RCA leads for line level signals are a dime a dozen in lengths up to 7
metres.
However, the cable that goes from a tone arm to an RIAA pre-amp is a SPECIAL
lead.
Turntables like the 1210 have them supplied in lengths of about 1 metre.
You cannot extend them.
...... Phil
Gareth Magennis
"Ron" <r...@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:MJedna7Q_NZ7C3jX...@bt.com...
Thanks Ron, that was the first place I looked but their website is a
complete pain to navigate unless you've nothing else to do all day, so I
didn't find it.
Cheers,
Gareth.
Gareth Magennis
"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:7kljhjF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Gareth Magennis Never says what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
>>
>> Any one know a good place to source unbalanced and/or balanced Fig 8
>> cable in the UK?
>>
>> To make these kind of things,
>>
>> http://www.dv247.com/cables/dv-studio-cable-dvsccpr203-3m-dual-phono-dual-jack-audio-cable--28255
>>
>> also for Technics 1210's etc?
>
>
> ** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
>
I want exactly what I FUCKING asked for.
I was asked to quote for some multicore looms making up, including a batch
of various stereo looms using figure 8 cable. If someone wants to pay me
to make up some proper quality looms then fine, if not they can go buy some
dime a dozen shite and more fool them. This is for a college where
students can and will break anything they can.
Ron
ONYX 2025 for single core and screen
STEREO for twisted pair and screen
Tho if you type in STEREO, it doesn't find it it`s page 246 in the
printed cat
Ron
Gareth Magennis
Gareth Magennis
I realised after your post they'd sent me a printed catalogue the last time
I bought some multi. SO much easier to find stuff.
The Onyx cable is a wee bit thin, the Europa Stereo Microphone Cable on page
246 is what I was really looking for. 5mm outside diameter X 2.
Thanks again,
Gareth.
Gareth Magennis
Phil, I note your observation about the "special" cable on tone
arms/RIAA/1210's. Would you care to elaborate?
I am only ever involved with DJ turntables for appropriate live use.
Cheers,
Gareth.
Gareth.
Eeyore
Balanced version here. VDC are an excellent cable and connector supplier.
Scroll down to 'VDC twin fig. 8 cable'
Graham
Rupert
wrote:
> "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:7kljhjF...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Gareth Magennis Never says what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
>
> >> Any one know a good place to source unbalanced and/or balanced Fig 8
> >> cable in the UK?
>
> >> To make these kind of things,
>
>
> >> also for Technics 1210's etc?
>
> > ** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
>
> > Twin RCA leads for line level signals are a dime a dozen in lengths up to
> > 7 metres.
>
> > However, the cable that goes from a tone arm to an RIAA pre-amp is a
> > SPECIAL lead.
>
> > Turntables like the 1210 have them supplied in lengths of about 1 metre.
>
> > You cannot extend them.
>
> > ...... Phil
>
> Phil, I note your observation about the "special" cable on tone
> arms/RIAA/1210's. Would you care to elaborate?
> I am only ever involved with DJ turntables for appropriate live use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gareth.
>
> Gareth.
It's most likely a cable capacitance issue with the phono cartridge to
the pre-amp. They're relatively sensitive with such things and the
higher capacitance of a longer cable will cause the high end to roll
off sooner.
Rupert
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis Never says what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
>
>>
>
>
> I want exactly what I FUCKING asked for.
** That is a DAMN LIE !!!!
> I was asked to quote for some multicore looms making up, including a batch
> of various stereo looms using figure 8 cable.
** Again - that only ALLUDES to the technical needs.
IT DOES NOT STATE THEM !!
Cos YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW !!
..... Phil
Phil Allison
>
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dv247.com/cables/dv-studio-cable-dvsccpr203-3m-dual-phono-dual-jack-audio-cable--28255
>>>
>>> also for Technics 1210's etc?
>>
>>
>> ** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
>>
>> Twin RCA leads for line level signals are a dime a dozen in lengths up
>> to 7 metres.
>>
>> However, the cable that goes from a tone arm to an RIAA pre-amp is a
>> SPECIAL lead.
>>
>> Turntables like the 1210 have them supplied in lengths of about 1 metre.
>>
>> You cannot extend them.
>>
>
> arms/RIAA/1210's. Would you care to elaborate?
> I am only ever involved with DJ turntables for appropriate live use.
** JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY !!!
SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE 1210 TTs !!
STOP ALLUDING TO UNKNOWABLE THINGS !!!
..... Phil
Gareth Magennis
Blimey Phil, you're gomnna break your cage soon.
Look, I was looking for some cable to make up some convenient left/right
looms as requested. I also recall that in the past I have had 1210's that
needed new phono cables fitted. Technics are not the easiest of companies
to get spares from in the UK. SO, an afterthought was that sourcing such
figure of 8 cable may well mean I could fit it to the next 1210 I got in
that needed its cable replacing, since they also use a (pretty sturdy)
figure of 8 cable along with a cable clamp system that only allows a similar
type of cable to be fitted.
(I might have included all this information in my initial post, but
netiquette is such that you first post a succinct request, and when
additional data is requested or otherwise required, you then supply such
data. Otherwise all posts would be as long as this one and we would all get
very bored and have no bandwidth left.
And please note that my post was actually about sourcing cables for line
level looms - the 1210 posibiility was more of an aside, you seem to have
taken it as the main event).
HOWEVER you started ranting about 1210's needing "special" cable, and they
are not to be extended etc. So this got me thinking. OK, Phil might be a
total loony but he knows his stuff, and I would like to know more.
So Phil, what is is that makes this 1210 or any other RIAA cable "special"?
What would happen if I fitted some generic figure of 8 from Studiospares
instead of one supplied by Technics? Would the DJ explode? Would he sound
like a total Wuss with no proper top end? If I sourced balanced cable
should I connect both legs in parallel, only use one, or tie one to ground?
I note that most DJ decks do not in fact have captive phone cables, just a
pair of phono sockets that most people plug their mickey mouse 50 cent
cables into, without exploding or sounding like a Wuss. Or having to buy
special metre length ones from Technics. Apparently.
My breath is baited.
Gareth.
Phil Allison
Cos the ASS is yet another 100% BRAIN DEAD POMMY CUNT HEAD !!
>>>>> To make these kind of things,
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dv247.com/cables/dv-studio-cable-dvsccpr203-3m-dual-phono-dual-jack-audio-cable--28255
>>>>>
>>>>> also for Technics 1210's etc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
>>>>
>>>> Twin RCA leads for line level signals are a dime a dozen in lengths up
>>>> to 7 metres.
>>>>
>>>> However, the cable that goes from a tone arm to an RIAA pre-amp is a
>>>> SPECIAL lead.
>>>>
>>>> Turntables like the 1210 have them supplied in lengths of about 1
>>>> metre.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot extend them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Phil, I note your observation about the "special" cable on tone
>>> arms/RIAA/1210's. Would you care to elaborate?
>>> I am only ever involved with DJ turntables for appropriate live use.
>>
>>
>> ** JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY !!!
>>
>> SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE 1210 TTs !!
>>
>> STOP ALLUDING TO UNKNOWABLE THINGS !!!
>>
>
> Look, I was looking for some cable to make up some convenient left/right
> looms as requested.
** But you still STUBBORNLY REFUSE to say what the cables are for, how
long or what connectors are involved.
The cable type you **need** to use DEPENDS CRUCIALLY on these factors.
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE !!!!!
> I also recall that in the past I have had 1210's that needed new phono
> cables fitted. Technics are not the easiest of companies to get spares
> from in the UK. SO, an afterthought was that sourcing such figure of 8
> cable may well mean I could fit it to the next 1210 I got in that needed
> its cable replacing, since they also use a (pretty sturdy) figure of 8
> cable along with a cable clamp system that only allows a similar type of
> cable to be fitted.
** So - it is NOT for making extensions!!!
FINALLY the FUCKING IMBECILE says what the purpose is !!!!
> I might have included all this information in my initial post,
** You only had to add *three* words, ie " as replacement cable "
- inserted between the words "also" and "for".
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE !!!!
> HOWEVER you started ranting ...
** Usenet etiquette requires one posts UNDER THE WORDS being referred to.
Cost it prevents folk posting ABSURD FUCKING LIES like YOU just did.
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE !!!!
> about 1210's needing "special" cable,
** See above - no such thing was posted.
> and they are not to be extended etc. So this got me thinking. OK, Phil
> might be a total loony but he knows his stuff, and I would like to know
> more.
> So Phil, what is is that makes this 1210 or any other RIAA cable
> "special"?
** It's very low capacitance, well shielded and has low microphony - not
the case at all with the vast majority of other, similar looking cables.
Because of the capacitance issue, the length is limited to about 1 metre for
use with MM cartridges.
> What would happen if I fitted some generic figure of 8 from Studiospares
> instead of one supplied by Technics?
** You need to provide a detailed spec for the cable first.
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE !!!!
> I note that most DJ decks do not in fact have captive phone cables, just
> a pair of phono sockets that most people plug their mickey mouse 50 cent
> cables into, without exploding or sounding like a Wuss.
** Serious problems occur with such TTs whenever cheap, poorly shielded,
high capacitance or too long cables are used.
YOU RIDICULOUS, KNOW NOTHING FUCKING IMBECILE !!!
PISS THE HELL OFF !!!
..... Phil
Rupert
> "Gareth Magennis Never SAYS what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
>
> Cos the ASS is yet another 100% BRAIN DEAD POMMY CUNT HEAD !!
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>> To make these kind of things,
>
Advice with a boot to the face, brought to you by usenet® Heck, at
least it's not OT for a change...
Rupert
Gareth Magennis
Actually Phil, it was YOU who jumped to the conclusion that I wanted to make
extensions, I never said or hinted at any such thing. Sigh.
Here is some (mic) cable I found for my potential line level connections.
(Thanks Ron)
http://www.studiospares.com/Cable-Balanced-/Mic-Cable-Stereo-Per-Metre/invt/548120
It is not ideal for 1210's as it is balanced and may actually be physically
too big. My previous question still stands though - if it is suitable, is
it advantageous to tie both legs together, just use one, or ground one?
It would seem to make sense to just by one reel of cable and be able to use
it for more than one application. (Balanced, Unbalanced, Line, Mic, 1210?)
Cheers,
Gareth.
Gareth Magennis
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriend...@removethishotmail.com> wrote in message
news:001c31ff$0$2384$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Thanks, can't seem to see any size parameters, will check later. I do know
VDC and their quality (and price). Used to live just round the corner from
them in Camden.
Gareth.
Eeyore
It's the issue of cable capacitance. A long run of cable will have more
capacitance and this will roll off the hgh end. Cable designed specially
for phono cartridges is manufactured to have lower than average capacitance.
The best answer is to have a preamp mounted in the plinth and have a low
impedance'line level' output, ideally balanced.
However DJ kit and DJs don't realy live in the pro world ( they use RCA
'phono' connectors for just about everything for example ) and disregard
such advice. DJs are also experts at destroying speakers. I have seen
the evidence in spades.
Graham
Gareth Magennis
Oops, looks like there are no specs on that cable. Never mind, I've not
changed a 1210 cable for at least 5 years, I may not ever have to do another
one. It was just a thought. Or a strange dream.
Gareth.
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis Never SAYS what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
Cos the ASS is yet another 100% BRAIN DEAD POMMY CUNT HEAD !!
** JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY !!!
SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE 1210 TTs !!
STOP ALLUDING TO UNKNOWABLE THINGS !!!
** But you still STUBBORNLY REFUSE to say what the cables are for, how
long or what connectors are involved.
The cable type you **need** to use DEPENDS CRUCIALLY on these factors.
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE !!!!!
> Actually Phil, it was YOU who jumped to the conclusion that I wanted to
> make extensions,
** NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!
May remark was PRECAUTIONARY !!!!
IN CASE YOU WERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARROGANT, LYING POMMY MORON !!!
> It is not ideal for 1210's as it is balanced and may actually be
> physically too big.
** It is UTTERLY unsuitable !!!!
YOU FUCKING ARROGANT MORON !!!
> It would seem to make sense to just by one reel of cable and be able to
> use it for more than one application. (Balanced, Unbalanced, Line, Mic,
> 1210?)
** Makes just as much sense as using a fucking HAMMER in substitute for
ever other kind of tool.
The RETARDED POMMY CUNTHEAD's usual way
PISS THE HELL OFF - you STINKING POMMY CUNT !!!
.... Phil
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis is a CRIMINAL LIAR " <sound....@btconnect.com>
DO NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH THIS IDIOT !!!!!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Oops, looks like there are no specs on that cable. Never mind, I've not
> changed a 1210 cable for at least 5 years, I may not ever have to do
> another one. It was just a thought. Or a strange dream.
** More like a PSYCHOPATHIC DELUSION -
YOU VILE STINKING PILE OF POMMY SHIT !!!
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis"
** FUCK OFF !!!
YOU LYING TROLLING POMMY IMBECILE !!!!
Phil Allison
"Gareth Magennis Never says what he is actually TALKING ABOUT !! "
Cos the ARSEHOLE IS A FUCKING LIAR !!!!
>> ** What the FUCK do you actually want ??
>
> I want exactly what I FUCKING asked for.
** That is a DAMN LIE !!!!
> I was asked to quote for some multicore looms making up, including a batch
> of various stereo looms using figure 8 cable.
** Again - that only ALLUDES to the technical needs.
IT DOES NOT STATE THEM !!
Cos YOU CLEARLY DO NOT KNOW !!
Cos you are a COMPLETE & UTTER MORON !!!
..... Phil
Phil Allison
.... Phil
Gareth Magennis
Good job I didn't ask about using it for SPDIF. What a strange person you
are.
Gareth.
Arkansan Raider
> Good job I didn't ask about using it for SPDIF. What a strange person you
> are.
>
>
>
>
>
> Gareth.
>
>
You might try rec.audio.pro.
Decidedly less caustic environment.
---Jeff
Gareth Magennis
"Arkansan Raider" <yom...@yomama.com> wrote in message
news:hc74jl$msb$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
Thanks, I post there occcasionaly too.
I don't mind Phil, its water off a ducks back to me. He does seem to be in
a particularly dark place at the moment though, which is not good to see.
Funny he thinks it is me who is Psychotic and Delusional.
Gareth.
Arny Krueger
message news:A5ednUrQntkEgnrX...@bt.com
George appears to be a big fan of Phil's. It really all fits.
George's Pro Sound Co.
"Arny Krueger" <ar...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
arnii , nobody gives a fuck what you wrote
in fact I have stopped reading it as it is not worth my attention
What is the matter arnii?
hate to see this newsgroup actually functioning?
feel ignored when you are not acting the fool?
you have no place here.
you have no pro LIVE sound understanding
you do not grasp even the simplest concpts of live sound
such as the inverse square law or where front of house is
do this newsgroup a favor and get the fuck out
or better yet do humanity a favor and kill yourself
I promise I will dance on your grave
now fUCK OFF
With all DUE respect
George
Arkansan Raider
George, shut up. If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.
---Jeff
Phil Allison
"Arny Krueger"
> George appears to be a big fan of Phil's.
** Wrong Phil.
George has this one permanently killfiled.
... Phil
liquidator
I don't think Phil has any real fans, he does have a number of people who
respect his knowledge of electronics...in spite of his outbursts, I would
take his tech opinion over 95% here, including my own.
And yes, I have been the target of those outbursts. Hang around long enough
it comes with the territory.
Fr...@kruger.com
Mr. Allison,
what does "figure-8" mean?
I know it's wire, but I can't find a def. on the web.
Thanks
Phil Allison
<Fr...@kruger.com>
> what does "figure-8" mean?
>
> I know it's wire, but I can't find a def. on the web.
>
** You did not try very hard.
Use " figure 8 cable " then images.
The term describes the cross section.
.... Phil
Eeyore
> "Arkansan Raider" <yom...@yomama.com> wrote
>> Gareth Magennis wrote:
>>
>>> Good job I didn't ask about using it for SPDIF. What a strange person
>>> you are.
>>>
>>> Gareth.
>> You might try rec.audio.pro.
>>
>> Decidedly less caustic environment.
>
>
>
> I don't mind Phil, its water off a ducks back to me. He does seem to be in
> a particularly dark place at the moment though, which is not good to see.
> Funny he thinks it is me who is Psychotic and Delusional.
Classic 'projection'. Phildo has the same problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Graham
Eeyore
WTF do you THINK it means ? This is a PRO group ( see the group name ?
), not one for the clueless.
Tried google or wiki or is that too hard for you ?
Graham
Arny Krueger
George's killfiling changes like the wind.
George's Pro Sound Co.
Arkansan Raider
Shut up George.
Your mother was a hamster, and your father reeks of elderberries.
---Jeff
Fr...@kruger.com
>
><Fr...@kruger.com>
>
>> what does "figure-8" mean?
>>
>> I know it's wire, but I can't find a def. on the web.
>>
>
>** You did not try very hard.
I googled it and looked at maybe 6 sites, but there was no explanation for the
term, and no drawing of cross section.
> Use " figure 8 cable " then images.
>
> The term describes the cross section.
I thought that was what it might mean due to the 2 leads, but I didn't want to
jump to conclusions...
>.... Phil
>
Thanks for your response.
Fr...@kruger.com
<rabbitsfriend...@removethishotmail.com> wrote:
>Fr...@kruger.com wrote:
>> Mr. Allison,
>>
>> what does "figure-8" mean?
>
>WTF do you THINK it means ?
A figure 8 is a figure 8, such as found in figure skating.
> This is a PRO group ( see the group name ?
>), not one for the clueless.
Then why are YOU here??
>Tried google or wiki or is that too hard for you ?
Yes I tried google, and it didn't point to wiki, nor to any sites with drawings.
>Graham
You are a real useless cocksucker, aren't you? You could learn a few things
about human decency from Mr. Allison.
Now fuck off, psycho
P L O N K
McSteve
>>> what does "figure-8" mean?
>>>
>>> I know it's wire, but I can't find a def. on the web.
>>>
> the
> term, and no drawing of cross section.
>
I was a bit befuddled by the term, myself. Must be a term not common in the
US, as I'd never heard it. But, using a little mental imaging and knowing
what
kind of cable was under discussion I surmised where the term came from.
I Googled it later. Funny thing is that most results show those type of
power
cables you see on boom boxes and home stereo gear. The type with a molded
end that looks like an "8" in cross-section.
--
Steve <snip> McQ
Phil Allison
"McSteve"
>
> I was a bit befuddled by the term, myself. Must be a term not common in
> the
> US, as I'd never heard it. But, using a little mental imaging and knowing
> what kind of cable was under discussion I surmised where the term came
> from. I Googled it later. Funny thing is that most results show those type
> of power cables you see on boom boxes and home stereo gear. The type with
> a molded end that looks like an "8" in cross-section.
** The term " twin flex " is also used for figure 8 cables.
..... Phil
Eeyore
Fr...@kruger.com wrote:
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@removethishotmail.com> wrote:
> >Fr...@kruger.com wrote:
> >> Mr. Allison,
> >>
> >> what does "figure-8" mean?
> >
> >WTF do you THINK it means ?
>
> A figure 8 is a figure 8, such as found in figure skating.
See, it wasn't hard was it ?
> > This is a PRO group ( see the group name ?
> >), not one for the clueless.
>
> Then why are YOU here??
Because I first started working in pro-audio 36 years ago. I am now a consultant in
the field.
Graham
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