One Nation Under God
Goat Breath
themselves winners. The goal was to make him look like a strong
wartime president, despite his inherent incompetence and
ham-handedness. Now half the country believes that, not only did he
have something personally to do with this war, but he singlehandedly
won it. The fact that he picked virtually the weakest country on the
planet -- a country considered no threat at all by two of its closest
neighbors, both of whom it had at one time invaded -- does not hold
any sway. He preyed upon the fears of the American people, and used
his propoganda to convince the gullible (polls show they are in the
majority) that not only did Saddam Hussein PERSONALLY fly the planes
into the twin towers and the Pentagon, but that he has a secret
invisible, undetectable (and unlocateable) nuclear arsenal which is
openly for sale in the bazaar to islamic terrorists bent on dropping
them down YOUR pants, Mr. and Mrs. America.
Other countries can't comprehend the gullibility of the American
people. Why did anybody believe this? Because America is a scared
society. The more you have, the more you are afraid to lose, thus it
is in the interests of those wishing control to assure a nation of
material plenty, and karmic poverty. Our crime rate is no higher than
any industrial nation, yet we fear crime disproportionately. Our drug
problem is no greater than any other industrial nation, and yet we
perceive America as being the leader in drug abuse, and are willing to
spend billions to crush the drug trade (and the leaders of any foreign
nations whom we are told are instrumental in that trade -- whether or
not they are). Yes, Bush has won a great victory in convincing the
American people, with a message that shifts daily (first they were
arms dealers, then terrorists, then just bad guys who needed taking
out, now ???) that a crushed, beaten nation needed to be defeated.
What other nation has fallen in three weeks of fighting? That we
would win was an absurdly foregone conclusion. It would be like
dropping a chihuahua into the ring at a pit bull fight. What a
triumph.
The victory goes beyond that, though. One more secular government has
been ground into the dust. The people are now free, and are chanting
in the streets, as they were forbidden to do before. They are
chanting "Down With America!!" and "No Law But Islam!!" The terrible
dictator is gone, and the people are free to become as religious as
they like. No longer will those who would stone a woman to death for
having extramarital sex have their voices silenced. They are free to
practice their religion freely, cutting off the hands, feet, genitals
and tongues of those of whom they disapprove, all according to the
tenets of their twisted faith. Now the people can be bullied and
persecuted by god himself -- or those who interpret the messages of
the allahmighty. GWB has gotten his wish to create yet another Holy
Hole in the fabric of the planet. Get prepared to deal with the
Ayatollah of Iraq.
Now that GWB has established himself as a strong leader (all the
evidence to the contrary notwithstanding). he can try the same thing
at home, here in the United States. The gullibility of the people has
already been established, as polls show that people have forgotten why
we went into Iraq in the first place, and when the fact that there are
none of the weapons we were told were there, don't seem to care.
Victory number one -- prove that the voters are easily manipulated.
Second he needs to get Americans suspicious of each other, ready to
turn in their neighbor, their children, their parents, to the thought
police. Wearing a t-shirt critical of the government will get you
arrested (oh, wait...) He needs to eliminate all the institutions of
compassion, which Americans, in a soft-hearted reflex reflecting their
innate goodness, have established over the decades since the Great
Society. Here in California, the agenda is working, as budgets for
schools are slashed, and budgets for prisons are increased (this is
exactly what happened in Iraq under Saddam). Executions are in full
swing once again. There are more homeless on the street than ever,
many of them mentally ill. Once the social programs of compassion are
dismantled, and every neighbor suspects every other of being a
criminal, once voices of freedom and dissent are no longer tolerated,
and Michael Moore has been exiled, we'll have the ideal conservative
society -- scared, superstitious, and easily manipulated by readily
discreditable propoganda.
One Nation, Under God, with ... Allah! (I forget the rest)
Goat Breath
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> [...] The people are now free, and are chanting
> in the streets, as they were forbidden to do before. They are
> chanting "Down With America!!" and "No Law But Islam!!"
Correction, some people are legally expressing their views
in protest, just as millions across the world expressed their
views of "Down With America!!" and "Peace, Baby, Peace"
prior to and during the Iraqi military action.
By the way, out of an Iraqi population of over 22 million, how
many were in that protest march you referred to?
> The terrible
> dictator is gone, and the people are free to become as religious
> as they like.
Correction, the overwhelming majority of Iraqis were Muslims
before, during, and, in all probability, will remain so after the
Iraqi military action. Saddam, himself, took a fancy to Sunni
Muslim practices and built elaborate grandiose mosques
during the last 12 years of his rule.
> [...]
>
> One Nation, Under God, with ... Allah! (I forget the rest)
Actually, one of the few nations in the western world to have
such a phrase in its national pledge of allegiance (One Nation
Under God) is the United States of America. As for how the
whole God (Allah) show will play out in Iraq, stay tuned, and
keep in mind, Islamic Turkey is a democracy, so the fact
that Iraq is predominantly Islam does not preclude it from
becoming a democracy.
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(Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive Liberty,
Openness, Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
http://www.ghg.net/phf
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skii
Careful now. Your statements go above and beyond those
that GWB labeled as terrorists. Wouldn't it
be nice to see a cleansing in the world of the weak
pathetic Atheists who don't even have the audacity to attempt
to rule a weak nation outside Russia. Oppressed Russia.
Weak, frail and pathetic without dictatorship.
Bomb the bastards George!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>Wouldn't it
>be nice to see a cleansing in the world of the weak
>pathetic Atheists
Ahhh, Christian love.
What would be best if religion were universally outlawed (as the clear
and present danger it's always been), and theists given 5 years to
grow up or face the consequences.
--
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Tink
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:54:53 -0400, "skii" <sk...@spaminatorx.com>
> posted in alt.atheism:
>
>
>>Wouldn't it
>>be nice to see a cleansing in the world of the weak
>>pathetic Atheists
>
>
> Ahhh, Christian love.
>
> What would be best if religion were universally outlawed (as the clear
> and present danger it's always been), and theists given 5 years to
> grow up or face the consequences.
It would take many more than five years for the religious to understand
and refute their ways. Five years would only fuel the persecution
complex. Maybe 200 or 300 and we might be getting somewhere.
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Al Klein
in alt.atheism:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> What would be best if religion were universally outlawed (as the clear
>> and present danger it's always been), and theists given 5 years to
>> grow up or face the consequences.
>It would take many more than five years for the religious to understand
>and refute their ways. Five years would only fuel the persecution
>complex. Maybe 200 or 300 and we might be getting somewhere.
But after 5 years they would be treated as the children they are.
Protected and safe, but not allowed to bring chaos to the world.
Arne Langsetmo
> "Goat Breath" <markstret...@msgotu.spam.com> wrote in message news:kr90av0heik42l4i6...@4ax.com...
> > [...] The people are now free, and are chanting
> > in the streets, as they were forbidden to do before. They are
> > chanting "Down With America!!" and "No Law But Islam!!"
>
> Correction, some people are legally expressing their views
> in protest, just as millions across the world expressed their
> views of "Down With America!!" and "Peace, Baby, Peace"
> prior to and during the Iraqi military action.
>
> By the way, out of an Iraqi population of over 22 million, how
> many were in that protest march you referred to?
More than were in the "crowd" of 150 Iraqi National Congress
exiles flown in from Washigton D.C. to cheer on the (rather
stupid) toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue. Yep, you
saw the T.V. coverage of this "joyous" occasion. Looked
good, eh? Now, for the real story:
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm>
[snip]
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
a.a. #101
Arne Langsetmo
> Al Klein wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:54:53 -0400, "skii" <sk...@spaminatorx.com>
> > posted in alt.atheism:
> >
> >>Wouldn't it
> >>be nice to see a cleansing in the world of the weak
> >>pathetic Atheists
> >
> > Ahhh, Christian love.
> >
> > What would be best if religion were universally outlawed (as the clear
> > and present danger it's always been), and theists given 5 years to
> > grow up or face the consequences.
>
> It would take many more than five years for the religious to understand
> and refute their ways. Five years would only fuel the persecution
> complex. Maybe 200 or 300 and we might be getting somewhere.
Hell, _thousands_ of years hasn't improved things much. What makes
you think that the situation's improving?
John Hattan
You mean the US wasn't allowing Iraqi citizens near its heavy military
equipment?
[John registers amazement]
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jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
Arne Langsetmo
> zu...@ix.netcom.com (Arne Langsetmo) wrote:
> >"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <p...@ghg.net> wrote in message
> >news:<3ea04...@news.ghg.net>...
> >> "Goat Breath" <markstret...@msgotu.spam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:kr90av0heik42l4i6...@4ax.com...
> >> > [...] The people are now free, and are chanting
> >> > in the streets, as they were forbidden to do before. They are
> >> > chanting "Down With America!!" and "No Law But Islam!!"
> >>
> >> Correction, some people are legally expressing their views
> >> in protest, just as millions across the world expressed their
> >> views of "Down With America!!" and "Peace, Baby, Peace"
> >> prior to and during the Iraqi military action.
> >>
> >> By the way, out of an Iraqi population of over 22 million, how
> >> many were in that protest march you referred to?
> >
> >More than were in the "crowd" of 150 Iraqi National Congress
> >exiles flown in from Washigton D.C. to cheer on the (rather
> >stupid) toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue. Yep, you
> >saw the T.V. coverage of this "joyous" occasion. Looked
> >good, eh? Now, for the real story:
> >
> ><http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>
> >
> ><http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm>
>
> You mean the US wasn't allowing Iraqi citizens near its heavy military
> equipment?
You mean "heavy [U.S.] equipment" like the statue of
Saddam Hussein? The tanks were ringed around the square,
not huddled in the middle.
But they _did_ allow Iraqis in ... ones flown in by the
U.S. military from Washington D.C. that they knew they
could trust; they'd already been bought off ("big time",
to use a favourite maladministration technical term).
Read the story, and see just exactly _who_ is doing the
"cheering" for the "liberation" of Iraq.
FWIW, I'm not sure it rises to the leve of a mortal sin,
but the U.S. military's destruction of signs and statues
of Saddam Hussein is unnecessary, gratuitous, and wilfull
destruction, and I'm reasonably sure the laws of war prohibit
such a thing, even if such prohibitions as this are honoured
mostly in the breach ... or should we say "breech"? . . . ;-)
> [John registers amazement]
It might be a slightly different emotion if you bothered to
check your assumptions (see above), looked into what's going,
on and thought about it a little.
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
a.a. #101
> ---
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <p...@ghg.net> wrote in
> message news:<3ea04...@news.ghg.net>...
> > "Goat Breath" <markstret...@msgotu.spam.com> wrote in
> > message news:kr90av0heik42l4i6...@4ax.com...
> > > [...] The people are now free, and are chanting
> > > in the streets, as they were forbidden to do before. They are
> > > chanting "Down With America!!" and "No Law But Islam!!"
> >
> > Correction, some people are legally expressing their views
> > in protest, just as millions across the world expressed their
> > views of "Down With America!!" and "Peace, Baby, Peace"
> > prior to and during the Iraqi military action.
> >
> > By the way, out of an Iraqi population of over 22 million, how
> > many were in that protest march you referred to?
>
> More than were in the "crowd" of 150 Iraqi National Congress
? Statues were toppled across the country, and at the
time the tall statue in the center of Baghdad fell, the
city was in a precarious state of siege. The previous
day, 3 journalists and many Iraqi military forces died
in a major U.S. attack near the Tigris River. A few
days earlier, as U.S. forces went through the city, from
1,000 to 3,000 Iraqi forces died. At the time the tall
statue toppled, Baghdad was an environment in which
one might be risking their very life by openly opposing
Saddam's regime ...
Transition to the referenced protest recently by Sunni
Muslims in Iraq ... in an Iraqi freed from Saddam's rule ...
"No to Saddam" was part of the protest, something which
could not occur in Saddam's regime, not without risk of
death / torture / rape / maiming / "disappearance" ...
As for your "150 Iraqi National Congress exiles flown
in from Washington, D.C.", sounds like propagandistic
hyperbole. As for the actual nature / political motivations /
feelings / citizenship of those who hammered away at
the statue base, those who tossed a rope over the sta-
tue, those cheering when the statue fell, those stomping
on the statue after it fell, and those who hammered the
statue after it fell -- taking its head on a ride through the
city -- it would be of interest to know. Non-propagandistic
objective interviews and testimonies of Iraqis who actu-
ally participated in the event would be helpful.
Arne Langsetmo
But it was safe enough to fly in from Washington, D.C.
the convicted felon Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress
minions to bring the "Rent-A-Riot" technique the Republicans
used in Florida to our newest "democracy", eh?
Here's the pictures and the story, once again:
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm>
<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2838.htm>
> Transition to the referenced protest recently by Sunni
> Muslims in Iraq ... in an Iraqi freed from Saddam's rule ...
> "No to Saddam" was part of the protest, something which
> could not occur in Saddam's regime, not without risk of
> death / torture / rape / maiming / "disappearance" ...
And they're also telling _us_ to get lost. Fat chance of that.
And if we did, we probably wouldn't like the outcome.
> As for your "150 Iraqi National Congress exiles flown
> in from Washington, D.C.", sounds like propagandistic
> hyperbole. . . .
Fine. Don't take my word for it. Check out the URLs.
> . . . As for the actual nature / political motivations /
> feelings / citizenship of those who hammered away at
> the statue base, those who tossed a rope over the sta-
> tue, those cheering when the statue fell, those stomping
> on the statue after it fell, and those who hammered the
> statue after it fell -- taking its head on a ride through the
> city -- it would be of interest to know. Non-propagandistic
> objective interviews and testimonies of Iraqis who actu-
> ally participated in the event would be helpful.
Fine. Check out the URLs (yeah, you know, the ones that you
_snipped_, but I can but them back in just as easily). All it
takes is a click. Surely you can't be too stoopid to do that. . . .
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> ~~~
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> (Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive Liberty,
> Openness, Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
> http://www.ghg.net/phf
> ~~~
For a "freethinker", you seem to be pretty damn good at
ignoring (and even trying to cover up) information that
you don't want to hear. . . .
Cheers,
-- Arne Langsetmo
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> check the urls
Your statement was not supported by the urls and
the urls were devoid of interviews with the attendees
at the tall statue fall. By the way, why are you fixating
on who was at the tall statue fall? Do you think Sad-
dam's regime is still in power or that a majority of
Iraqis don't rejoice at his demise? And make no
mistake, now that Iraqis are free to express their
views, we'll here from a wide range of Iraqis with
many disparate views, some supportive of the U.S.,
some not, unlike days of old when Iraqis were at
the mercy of Saddam's regime, forced to accede
to its wishes -or- to remain silent about their dissent
-or- to risk imprisonment / torture / death / rape if
they dared to dissent -or- to seek exile ...
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> Anne wrote ...
> > check the urls
Excuse me, I should have said "Arne wrote". Incidentally,
the urls you were impressed by are from a partially anon-
ymous source, a website of someone who offers "This web
site grew out of my personal frustration and anger at the
failure of traditional commercial media to inform the American
public, especially as it relates to US foreign policy."
No bias there, eh? Seems to be a standard "peace-at-all-cost"
and "damn-the-US" website, don't you think?
The site you referenced suggests we should trust
T...@informationclearinghouse.info as a reliable source,
yet it provides nothing in the way of identifiying who
T...@informationclearinghouse.info is or why folks should
trust him ...
maff
> "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <p...@ghg.net> wrote in message
> news:3ea38...@news.ghg.net...
> > Anne wrote ...
> > > check the urls
>
> Excuse me, I should have said "Arne wrote". Incidentally,
> the urls you were impressed by are from a partially anon-
> ymous source, a website of someone who offers "This web
> site grew out of my personal frustration and anger at the
> failure of traditional commercial media to inform the American
> public, especially as it relates to US foreign policy."
>
> No bias there, eh? Seems to be a standard "peace-at-all-cost"
> and "damn-the-US" website, don't you think?
Who said there is going to be peace-at-all-cost, Humanist fascist
leader? You should have learnt the consequences when Ft. Sumter was
fired on and the Constitution trashed.