Fear and ignorance triumph again. The illegal immigrant gets another four years.

[Tyler Pearson]

Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?

Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
generation of voters in American history.

You're everything that could be expected of idiots.

[SkyEyes]

So, how's that crow tasting, rightard? Should we call you a
wahhhhmbulance?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[Existential Angst]

"Tyler Pearson" <nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote in message
news:23278f821acc240a...@slug.slugish.net...

The least Senor Obamer can do is give free Spanich lessons to non-spanich
speaking gringos....
conyo....

Still, electing a corpirate raider who cost thousands of jobs was a bit much
to stomach.
A working stiff voting for Romney would be like a jew voting for Hitler....
AFTER the holocaust.....

Hey, learning a second language is good for the brain....
Lessee.... Mi nombre es Angst..... cuales su nombre?
Yo vivo en Nueva Jork.... donde vive usted??
Mi beecho es muy duro.... quiere lo mamar??

Hey, I think ahm likin this spanich shit!
--
EA

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:47:10 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 7, 10:37 pm, "Tyler Pearson" <nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>> Well morons?  Are you happy?  Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>> and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>
>> Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>> generation of voters in American history.
>>
>> You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>
>So, how's that crow tasting, rightard? Should we call you a
>wahhhhmbulance?

Just call him an idiot.

[Ubiquitous]

It's hard to run against someone who gives you "free" stuff instead of
earning it through hard work.

And you posted this off-topic article here because?


--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the
iceberg a second time."

[Keith D. Lee]

Tyler:
Boy, are you correct and on the dime!
--
Sincerely,
Keith D. Lee

[raven1]

LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
<nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:

>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?

Button-pushing lies noted.

>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>generation of voters in American history.

Button-pushing lies noted.

>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.

Projection noted.

One might wonder why this was posted to alt.politics.obama,
alt.atheism, rec.crafts.metalworking, rec.arts.tv and
misc.survivalism.

Or perhaps one might actually know.

[Gunner]

Odd...most of us say the same about you.

Shrug

Gunner

--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have
to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I
became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.

Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.

The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
James Carvell, DNC operative

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:02:49 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
<chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>
>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>
>Button-pushing lies noted.

Denial noted.

>
>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>generation of voters in American history.
>
>Button-pushing lies noted.

Denial noted.

>
>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>
>Projection noted.

Denial noted

>
>One might wonder why this was posted to alt.politics.obama,
>alt.atheism, rec.crafts.metalworking, rec.arts.tv and
>misc.survivalism.
>
>Or perhaps one might actually know.

Do you?

[sbalneav]

In alt.atheism Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:02:49 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
> <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>
>>Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> Denial noted.
>>
>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>
>>Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> Denial noted.
>>
>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>
>>Projection noted.
>
> Denial noted
>>
>>One might wonder why this was posted to alt.politics.obama,
>>alt.atheism, rec.crafts.metalworking, rec.arts.tv and
>>misc.survivalism.
>>
>>Or perhaps one might actually know.
>
> Do you?
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> ""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have

> to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That?s why I

> became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
> have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
> use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
>

> Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don?t have

> a clue as to political reality.
> What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
> workers and convince them that they should support social programs
> that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
> little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
> want.
>
> The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
> operative instead of a Republican was because there were more

> Democrats that didn?t have a clue than there were Republicans."
> James Carvell, DNC operative

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp

Do you happen to have a source for that quote?

--
__ _ | I never bought a man who wasn't for sale.
(_ |_) | -- William A. Clark
__)|_) |

[raven1]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>
>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>>
>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>
>>LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>
>
>Odd...most of us say the same about you.

The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
for playing.

[Gray]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
<nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:

The only illegal immigrants in the US are the white males.

Stop the bullets. Kill the gun.

[Dano]

"sbalneav" wrote in message news:k7h0nf$587$1...@dont-email.me...

=====================================

Bogus quote. No date or place where he was supposed to have said this. Why
on earth would the guy EVER say such a dopey thing. On OR off the record.
Think people. For crying out loud. How stupid can folks be?
Thinkexist.com has just lost all credibility by posting what is basically an
anonymous email quote.

[Dano]

"Gray" wrote in message news:ti6o981m7n59fnpac...@4ax.com...

The only illegal immigrants in the US are the white males.

========================================

How high up were you when you were dropped on your head as an infant?

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:54:15 -0500, raven1

<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
>><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>>
>>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>>>
>>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>>
>>>LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>>
>>
>>Odd...most of us say the same about you.
>
>The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
>for playing.

Ill bet the voices in your head told you to post that..didnt they?

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Leftwingers..dumber than scabies

[Gunner]

Nope and as a matter of fact..its probably false. Which means that as
a Democrat ( I am a registered Demo)..its perfectly proper for me to
continue to use it.

Afterall...who am I to argue with the standards and practices promoted
by the DNC?

Gunner

--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have

to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I

became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.

Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have

a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.

The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more

Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
James Carvell, DNC operative

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:47:58 -0500, Gray <savageg...@friends.gsl>
wrote:

Take your meds.

[Tom Gardner]

"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:mc3o98l9cb733m2p3...@4ax.com...

Actually, kudos to you! You have the system figured out! We stupid ones
are still trying to figure out how to make a living, raise families, save
for our retirement, etc, etc....doing all this by working hard, not
cheating, not taking the freebies, not getting on the dole, etc.., etc..
Yep, WE ARE STUPID!

[Tom Gardner]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n21o981vggkq90kf4...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:02:49 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
> <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>
>>Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> Denial noted.
>>
>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>
>>Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> Denial noted.
>>
>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>
>>Projection noted.
>
> Denial noted
>>
>>One might wonder why this was posted to alt.politics.obama,
>>alt.atheism, rec.crafts.metalworking, rec.arts.tv and
>>misc.survivalism.
>>
>>Or perhaps one might actually know.
>
> Do you?
>
> Gunner
>

They have every right to gloat! Learn from them!

[raven1]

Well, I guess that makes me and all the liberals I know pretty stupid
too: we're doing exactly the same thing.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[raven1]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:25:36 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:54:15 -0500, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
>>><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>>>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>>>
>>>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>>>
>>>>LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>>>
>>>
>>>Odd...most of us say the same about you.
>>
>>The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
>>for playing.
>
>Ill bet the voices in your head told you to post that..didnt they?

What an original comeback. You continue to impress.

[Dano]

"raven1" wrote in message
news:7tco98deoujfqf417...@4ax.com...

====================================

Oh I don't know...most would impress alongside the ridiculous Gummer.

[emoneyjoe]

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/james_carville/

http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/tag/because-there-were-more-democrats-that-didnt-have-a-clue-than-there-were-republicans/

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/32408.James_Carville

http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/f6/democratic-strategist-80-democrats-clueless-255386/

http://boilingthefrogs.wordpress.com/category/national-politics/

http://www.okctalk.com/politics/31825-democrat-telling-truth.html

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message news:k7g03t$h9g$5...@dont-email.me...

> nob...@slug.sluggish.net wrote:
>
>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>
>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>generation of voters in American history.
>>
>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>
> It's hard to run against someone who gives you "free" stuff instead of
> earning it through hard work.
>
> And you posted this off-topic article here because?
>

Obama MUST be stopped or else employment will continue to rise !!!

[Michael A. Terrell]

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> Obama MUST be stopped or else employment will continue to rise in China!!!

[Dan]

He still thinks the takers are the 47%. The real takers are the 1% who
fail to be good citizens, which is a significant percentage of them.

Dan

[Don Martin]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

The sad thing is that nobody sucks him back.

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[Gunner]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:39:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote:

>

Not me!! Im now a welfare drone!!

And a Democrat!!!

[ATP]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:0gho98tu4lnmn77h6...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:39:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote:
>
>>
>>"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
>>news:mc3o98l9cb733m2p3...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
>>>><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>>>>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Odd...most of us say the same about you.
>>>
>>> The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
>>> for playing.
>>
>>Actually, kudos to you! You have the system figured out! We stupid ones
>>are still trying to figure out how to make a living, raise families, save
>>for our retirement, etc, etc....doing all this by working hard, not
>>cheating, not taking the freebies, not getting on the dole, etc.., etc..
>>Yep, WE ARE STUPID!
>>
> Not me!! Im now a welfare drone!!
>

And how is this news?

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:38:29 -0500, raven1

<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:25:36 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:54:15 -0500, raven1
>><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
>>>><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
>>>>><nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>>>>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>>>>generation of voters in American history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Odd...most of us say the same about you.
>>>
>>>The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
>>>for playing.
>>
>>Ill bet the voices in your head told you to post that..didnt they?
>
>What an original comeback. You continue to impress.

The voices in your head are fighting with each other..arnt they?

>
>---
>raven1
>aa # 1096
>EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
>BAAWA Knight

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:35:07 -0500, raven1

Sure you are! Now after 60 yrs of living off the Conservatives..your
minions are now going to be taking care of US!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! My retirement...err...poverty will be (sob) taken care of by you
working poor, so we can enjoy our later years...Isnivel) without a
care in the world!!

Danku Danku!!!

Gunner

>
>---
>raven1
>aa # 1096
>EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
>BAAWA Knight

[Gunner]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:41:22 -0500, emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com>

Oy!! Thats got to sting!!!

Dont forget..James married an Evil Republican. Apparently its rubbed
off nicely.

Gunner

--
""The Democratic constituency is just like a herd of cows. All you have

to do is lay out enough silage and they come running. That’s why I

became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.

Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats don’t have

a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
want.

The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more

Democrats that didn’t have a clue than there were Republicans."
James Carvell, DNC operative

[Tom Gardner]

You might be a Democrat, but by my definition liberals don't actually work.

[Tom Gardner]

Define "good citizen". And, isn't that a gross generalization?

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 8, 3:52 pm, "PrecisionmachinisT" <123machin...@notmail.com>
wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in messagenews:k7g03t$h9g$5...@dont-email.me...

How can it "continue" to rise when it's been falling? And don't give
me that "fewer people are looking for work" bullshit. Obama has
created 5 million new jobs over the last 4 years. Suck it up and
deal.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 8, 11:12 pm, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
> On 11/8/2012 5:35 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:39:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote:
>

> >> "raven1" <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
> >>news:mc3o98l9cb733m2p3...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com>

I'm a liberal, and I worked from age 13 (teaching beginning violin
lessons) to age 62 - 49 years. That includes the 6 years (during high
school and college) I slaved working in a dog kennel shoveling dog
shit for 138 pooches in the hot Arizona sun.

I think I've earned my Social Security and my pension from the State
of Arizona, where I worked for 18 years.

You need to readjust your thinking and get over some of that
programming that the Republicans have done to you. Every liberal I
know has worked all of his/her life, and worked *hard* at that.

[Tom Gardner]

I've been a registered Democrat since '73. I guess it's a matter of
what your definition of "Liberal" is. Mine is different. I don't
relate to either end of the spectrum and "liberals" are pretty close to
the end of the spectrum.

[Gunner]

And define the 1%.

Im sure he is talking about those pesky bankers and money lenders they
hate so much. The Kulacks.

So far far from their roots they have fallen, these modern day
Bolsheviks. Now they are pissed off at their money suppliers

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/communists.asp

Wall Street funded Communists

Professor Sutton stated, "Western textbooks on Soviet economic
development omit any description of the economic and financial aid
given to the 1917 Revolution and subsequent economic development by
Western Firms and banks." "In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of
the world's richest and most powerful men financing a movement which
claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of
their wealth," declared Allen. "[M]en like the Rothschilds,
Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners."

Perloff agreed, "Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., heavily
bankrolled the [Communist] revolution. This was reported by White
Russian General Arsine de Goulevitch in his book Czarism and the
Revolution." "According to his grandson John," described Allen, "Jacob
Schiff ... long-time associate of the Rothschilds, financed the
Communist Revolution in Russia to the tune of $20 million." He
continued, "According to a report on file with the State Department,
his firm, Kuhn Loeb and Co. bankrolled the first five year plan for
Stalin," and added, "Schiff's descendents are active in the Council on
Foreign Relations today."

Referring to the emergence of a communist dictatorship which resulted
from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Professor Marrs wrote that they
were funded by "Germany and America. ... Their repugnant campaign to
purify and cleanse Mother Russia and to seek world domination resulted
in ... [millions of] human beings wiped out and brutally purged..." He
attested, "Brown Brothers Harriman" helped finance it with "money made
possible by it and the affiliated Guaranty Trust Company." Professor
Sutton agreed, writing "W. Averell Harriman was a director of Guaranty
Trust Company" and "was involved in the Bolshevik Revolution."

On February 3, 1949, the New York Journal-American stated, "Today it
is estimated even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member
of New York Society, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the
final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Other New York banking firms
also contributed."

Referring to a June 15, 1933, Congressional Record, Allen wrote
"Congressman Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking Committee,
maintained in a speech to his fellow Congressman: "The Soviet
government has been given United States Treasure funds by the Federal
Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks acting through the Chase
Bank and the Guaranty Trust Company and other banks in New York City.
... Open up the books of Amtorg, the trading organization of the
Soviet government in New York, and of Gostorg, the general office of
the Soviet Trade Organization, and of the State Bank of the Union of
Soviet Socialist Republics and you will be staggered to see how much
American money has been taken from the United States' Treasury for the
benefit of Russia."

"Now our textbooks tell us that the Nazis and Soviets were bitter
enemies and their systems are opposites," observed Professor Sutton.
But in the "1920s, W. Averell Harriman was a prime supporter of the
Soviets with finance and diplomatic assistance ... [and] participated
in RUSKOMBANK," which was "the first Soviet commercial bank.
Furthermore, Max May, the Vice President of Guaranty Trust, which was
dominated by Harriman and Morgan, became the first Vice-President of
Ruskombank." However, declared Professor Sutton, "Averell Harriman,
his brother Roland Harriman, and ... E.S. James and Knight Woolley,
through the Union Bank ... were prime financial backers of Hitler." He
asked, "How could a rational man support Soviets and Nazis at the same
time?"

A curious dilemma arises when faced with the documented fact that Wall
Street funded both Communists and Nazis. First, it would seem these
two forms of government are at opposite ends of the political
spectrum. And that capitalists would see them as a threat to their
growth. Allen provides a possible answer, writing, "But obviously
these men have no fear of international Communism. It is only logical
to assume that if they financed it, and are willing--even eager--to
cooperate with it, it must be because they control it. Can there be
another explanation that makes sense?" He adds, "Remember that for
over 100 years it has been a standard operating procedure of the
Rockefellers and their allies to control both sides of every
conflict."

Before Winston Churchill became Prime Minister of Great Britain, he
acknowledged a conscious effort of wealthy people to install a
communist dictatorship in Russia. He wrote in the February 18th, 1920
issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald, that "From the days of
Spartacus [Adam] Weishaupt ... to those of Karl Marx, to those of
Trotsky, Bella Kuhn, Rose Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this
world-wide conspiracy has been steadily growing." He affirmed, "It has
been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th
century; and now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities
from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have
gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become
practically undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

After the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street ensured the communists
would retain control of Russia. Professor Sutton described this effort
when he wrote, "On may 1st, 1918, when the Bolsheviks controlled only
a small fraction of Russia (and were to come near to losing even that
fraction in the summer of 1918), the American League to Aid and
Cooperate with Russia was organized in Washington, D.C to support the
Bolsheviks. This was not a 'Hands off Russia' type of committee formed
by the Communist Party U.S.A or its allies. It was a committee created
by Wall Street with George P. Whalen of Vacuum Oil Company as
Treasurer and Coffin and Oudin of General Electric, along with
Thompson of the Federal Reserve System, Willard of the Baltimore and
Ohio Railroad, and assorted socialists."

"The Bolsheviks were not a visible political force at the time the
Czar abdicated," Allen wrote. "And they came to power not because of
the downtrodden masses of Russia called them back, but because very
powerful men in Europe and the United States sent them in. "They
[Lenin and Trotsky] joined up, and, by November, though bribery,
cunning, brutality and deception, they were able (not to bring the
masses rallying to their cause, but) to hire enough thugs and make
enough deals to impose out of the gun barrel what Lenin called 'all
power to the Soviets.'"

"Having created their colony in Russia," said Allen, "the Rockefellers
and their allies have struggled mightily ever since to keep it alive.
Beginning in 1918 this clique has been engaged in transferring money
and, probably more important, technical information to the Soviet
Union." Perloff agreed, writing, "Probably no name symbolized
capitalism more than Rockefeller. Yet that family has for decades
supplied trade and credit to Communist nations. After the Bolsheviks
took power, the Rockefellers' Standard Oil of New Jersey bought up
Russian oil fields, while Standard Oil of New York built the soviets a
refiner and made an arrangement to market their oil in Europe. During
the 1920's the Rockefellers' Chase Bank helped found the
American-Russian Chamber of Commerce, and was involved in financing
Soviet raw material exports and selling Soviet bonds in the U.S."

According to Senator Barry Goldwater, Chase Manhattan built a truck
factory in Russia which could also be used to produce armored vehicles
such as tanks and even rocket launchers. Perloff echoed, "American
technology helped the Soviets construct the $5 billion Kama River
truck factory ... [which was] successfully converted by the Kremlin to
military purposes."

Wall Street continued to aid the Russian communists as they supplied
the Vietnamese communists that Americans were fighting in Vietnam,
says Allen. In the late 60s Rockefeller and other industrialists built
synthetic rubber plants and an aluminum factory totaling about 250
million dollars. Professor Sutton observed, "these American
capitalists were willing to finance and subsidize the Soviet Union
while the Vietnam War was underway, knowing that the Soviets were
supplying the other side."

An article appeared in the New York Times on January 16, 1967, which
carried the headline, Eaton Joins Rockefellers to Spur Trade with
Reds. Perloff summed up the story, "The ensuing story noted that the
Rockefellers were teaming up with tycoon Cyrus Eaton, Jr., who was
financing for the Soviet block the construction of a $50 million
aluminum plant and rubber plants valued at over $200 million." He
added, "The Chase, which maintains a branch office at 1 Karl Marx
Square in Moscow, has gained notoriety for financing projects behind
the Iron Curtain."

W. Averill Harriman was made U.S. Ambassador to the USSR in 1941.
Allen wrote, "Sutton quotes a report by Averell Harriman to the State
Department in June, 1944 as stating: 'Stalin paid tribute to the
assistance rendered by the United States to Soviet industry before and
during the war.'" "It is not an exaggeration to say that the USSR was
made in the USA," observed Allen.

Referring to Professor Sutton's book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik
Revolution, he wrote, "No one has even attempted to refute Sutton's
almost excessively scholarly works. They can't. But the misinformation
machines that compose our mediacracy can ignore Sutton. And they do."
The book, added Perloff, "is based on assiduous research, including a
deeper probe into State Department files."

Professor Sutton warned, "The synthesis sought by the Establishment is
called the New World Order. Without controlled conflict this New World
Order will not come about. ... And this is being done with the
calculated, managed, use of conflict. ... This explains why the
International bankers backed the Nazis, the Soviet Union, [and] North
Korea ... against the United States. The 'conflict' ... [builds]
profits while pushing the world ever closer to One World Government.
The process continues today."
Summary

The evidence that these researchers present, which includes mainstream
news and State Department records, suggests that Communist Russia was
not only heavily funded by Wall Street, but was the actual creation of
Wall Street. The Communist Revolution was instigated by Wall Street.
Wall Street continued to build Russia even as they supplied aid to a
country that America was at war with. Because they created communist
Russia, they must have known about the millions of people being
murdered.

[Footnotes]
* Photo taken from the Shadows of Power, by James Perloff.

[Gunner]

Because before yesterday..I was paying into the system. Now..Im
sucking on the system. Just like you and your..and my fellow
Leftwingers

Power to da Pipples!!

Free shit!!!

Kewl!!

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:21:16 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>

Idiot.

[Gunner]

Ob course! I be a Democrat! Wa wrong with yu man? I be one ob yo
brudders! Don be calling me bad shit, affor I bitch slap you along si
de head!!

Gunner, setting into the Leftwing roll nicely.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:53:01 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>

Get help.

Seriously.

[Gunner]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 04:00:14 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

I did. I signed up for and got Welfare, food stamps and Im working on
a free laptop and free Wifi.

Thank you!! Gonna be a real good 47%er!! Ill make ya proud Mom!

Gunner

[raven1]

>You might be a Democrat, but by my definition liberals don't actually work.

Using your own private definitions for words is not helpful for
advancing an actual discussion.

[Gunner]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:10:56 -0500, raven1

He is simply using Leftwing tactics and thought processes.

[ATP]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:i6mp98d6ucal69e5t...@4ax.com...

I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a dime from
the government.

[Michael A. Terrell]

ATP wrote:
>
> I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a dime from
> the government.

So, you've never got a tax refund from the IRS?

[Christopher A. Lee]

He's never used the roads, never flown (air traffic control), never
called the police or fire services, never went to public schools, etc.

[Michael A. Terrell]

My guess is that ATP means "All The Pointyheads".

[Gunner]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:25:17 -0500, "ATP"

You Establishment assholes dont know nothin!!

Power to da Pipples!!

Free shit!! Gimmee gimmee!!

Gunner, part of the 47%

[ATP]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:N-ydnecM88MgowDN...@earthlink.com...

A few times,usually pay extra. It's still a net expense, so your point is
pointless.

[ATP]

"Christopher A. Lee" <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:svfq989fk20deql4e...@4ax.com...

You're not following the conversation. I did not say I derive no benefit
from government. I pay my fair share and don't abuse the medical system or
incur tax liens on my property.

[Dakota]

On 11/9/2012 11:42 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:35:03 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> ATP wrote:
>>>
>>> I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a dime from
>>> the government.
>>
>>
>> So, you've never got a tax refund from the IRS?
>

A tax refund is not a government handout. It's a net loss for those
who overpay because they lose the use of their own money while it's in
the government's coffers.

>
> He's never used the roads, never flown (air traffic control), never
> called the police or fire services, never went to public schools, etc.
>

That list could go on and on. Somehow that fact is overlooked by the
Tea Party Republicans.

[Michael A. Terrell]

I know it's pointless to point out your lies, but you through such
funny little hissy fits.

[ATP]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:WumdnXruDPGf5ADN...@earthlink.com...

Where did you go to school?

[Michael A. Terrell]

ATP wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:WumdnXruDPGf5ADN...@earthlink.com...
> >
> > ATP wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> news:N-ydnecM88MgowDN...@earthlink.com...
> >> >
> >> > ATP wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a dime
> >> >> from
> >> >> the government.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > So, you've never got a tax refund from the IRS?
> >>
> >> A few times,usually pay extra. It's still a net expense, so your point is
> >> pointless.
> >
> >
> > I know it's pointless to point out your lies, but you through such
> > funny little hissy fits.
>
> Where did you go to school?

WHICH School?

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 9, 2:42 pm, "ATP" <walter_mun...@unforgiven.com> wrote:
> "Christopher A. Lee" <chrislee95...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:svfq989fk20deql4e...@4ax.com...

As do I and the majority of posters on alt.atheism. What's your
point?

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:17:12 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Nov 9, 2:42 pm, "ATP" <walter_mun...@unforgiven.com> wrote:
>> "Christopher A. Lee" <chrislee95...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:svfq989fk20deql4e...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:35:03 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>> > <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>ATP wrote:
>>
>> >>> I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a dime
>> >>> from
>> >>> the government.
>>
>> >>   So, you've never got a tax refund from the IRS?
>>
>> > He's never used the roads, never flown (air traffic control), never
>> > called the police or fire services, never went to public schools, etc.
>>
>> You're not following the conversation. I did not say I derive no benefit
>> from government. I pay my fair share and don't abuse the medical system or
>> incur tax liens on my property.
>
>As do I and the majority of posters on alt.atheism. What's your
>point?

You don't understand - the poor and unemployed are slackers and
scroungers who live a wonderful life paid for by everybody else.

And it's their own fault they can't get jobs that aren't there, they
lost their job because their employer went out of business or wanted
younger people they could pay less, because of ill health etc.

It doesn't matter that they paid a lifetime's worth of medical
insurance but didn't collect on it, collected less than they paid in,
etc.

Or still had to mortgage payments they couldn't afford during the
property crash until they managed to sell their house for less than
they paid for it etc.

In short people betrayed by the very system they had followed.

[ATP]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:HZ6dnX12vYRvEADN...@earthlink.com...

Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.

[Michael A. Terrell]

ATP wrote:
> >
> > WHICH School?
>
> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.

How would you know? You were rejected from pre-school.


BTW, it was called 'Grade School', or 'Elemntary School', not 'Grammer
School'. I went to a total of five schools between Kindergarten &
graduating from High School. I taught myself electronics, and tested
out of a three year engineering course while in the US Army.

[Christopher A. Lee]

In many places grammar school is age 11-18 for the more academic kids.

[Michael A. Terrell]

And? I started public school in SW Ohio over five decades ago. The
only other type of school in that system was called Edison Elementary.
It was for the mentally & physically handicapped kids, before the school
system was forced to mainstream them to regular schools. When that
happened, they no longer received the extra attention & help they
needed.

[Gunner]

Very well stated.

Kudos.

Gunner

>>BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>>EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>>skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>>skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[linuxgal]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> ATP wrote:
>>> WHICH School?
>> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.
>
>
> How would you know? You were rejected from pre-school.
>
>
> BTW, it was called 'Grade School', or 'Elemntary School', not 'Grammer
> School'.

It was called that way back when my Grammer went to it.

--
Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Resolute On Squeezing Out Fair Trade

[Michael A. Terrell]

linuxgal wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > ATP wrote:
> >>> WHICH School?
> >> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.
> >
> >
> > How would you know? You were rejected from pre-school.
> >
> >
> > BTW, it was called 'Grade School', or 'Elemntary School', not 'Grammer
> > School'.
>
> It was called that way back when my Grammer went to it.

How do you know? Were you in the same class? ;-)

[Gunner]

In the US????

Never heard of it extending beyond 6th grade.

Gunner

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <dghr9893vv6r55bji...@4ax.com>,

Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:

In the US, grammar school is the same as grade school or elementary
school. In the UK, not so much.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Dakota]

On 11/9/2012 8:10 PM, ATP wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:HZ6dnX12vYRvEADN...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> ATP wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:WumdnXruDPGf5ADN...@earthlink.com...
>>>>
>>>> ATP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:N-ydnecM88MgowDN...@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ATP wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I pay a lot of taxes, don't have any unpaid bills and don't get a
>>>>>>> dime
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you've never got a tax refund from the IRS?
>>>>>
>>>>> A few times,usually pay extra. It's still a net expense, so your point
>>>>> is
>>>>> pointless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know it's pointless to point out your lies, but you through such
>>>> funny little hissy fits.
>>>
>>> Where did you go to school?
>>
>>
>> WHICH School?
>
> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.
>

It's a diction complaint. Mike used the work 'through' where 'throw'
would have been appropriate.

[Christopher A. Lee]

I was describing the UK.

[ATP]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:eKudnQfQ6LXpWADN...@earthlink.com...

Well good for you. Try reading something other than Usenet or right wing
propaganda. Classic novels, for instance. You might improve your writing and
even your outlook on life.

[Michael A. Terrell]

What 'right wing propaganda' US history?

How many books do you own? My collection is in the thousands, and
some are falling apart from being read. There are thosands of classic
ebooks on 'Project Guetenberg' as well. Even a whiny liberal can afford
to read them, since they are free. All are in the public domain, and
many are out of print.

I also collect old engineering books. The writing is less than
stellar after an editor trys to 'clean up' a subject they don't
understand. Some are just funny, like an early 1900s tome on 'Radio'.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:31:57 -0600, Robert Parker
<robpa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:24:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"

>I don't know about Ohio but in Texas closing the special schools for the
>mentally challenged, didn't help in fact it made things worse for the
>average students who were neglected for children who were never going to be
>normal. We need to spend more time and money on the brightest of children,
>not the dimmest.

We also need to educate the dimmest.

[Gunner]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:15:46 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

<chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:21:22 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <dghr9893vv6r55bji...@4ax.com>,
>> Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:09:49 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >ATP wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > WHICH School?
>>> >>
>>> >> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left behind.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How would you know? You were rejected from pre-school.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > BTW, it was called 'Grade School', or 'Elemntary School', not 'Grammer
>>> >School'. I went to a total of five schools between Kindergarten &
>>> >graduating from High School. I taught myself electronics, and tested
>>> >out of a three year engineering course while in the US Army.
>>>
>>> In many places grammar school is age 11-18 for the more academic kids.
>>
>>In the US, grammar school is the same as grade school or elementary
>>school. In the UK, not so much.
>
>I was describing the UK.

Who cares about the UK?
(sorry..couldnt resist)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner wrote:
>
> Who cares about the UK?
> (sorry..couldnt resist)

No one, or they would have put Lucas out of business decades ago. :(

[Gunner]

You collect old engineering books? Humm...I have a few duplicates you
may not have....Ill make a list.

Gunner

[Martin Eastburn]

We have over 4000 books ourselves. Was over 5k but we have been
evolving our library into new topics and wants / needs. Interest
changes through time and jobs. The library has book sales -
we donate and buy books. Friends of the library is a group we are
members and workers.

The sad thing, this medium town won't take for sale my advanced Physics
books as being to tech. They have a country sense to them but have
grown. Industry here spans from missile production to oil well pump
systems, gears that are up to 60' in diameter - real kick seeing them
ship out of here on truck or rail. The steel is melted in their own
foundry.

So the kids of engineers need to see and learn from things other than
kid books, and parents can't afford to buy expensive books like I
was able as an engineer.

Martin

[Michael A. Terrell]

Martin Eastburn wrote:
>
> We have over 4000 books ourselves. Was over 5k but we have been
> evolving our library into new topics and wants / needs. Interest
> changes through time and jobs. The library has book sales -
> we donate and buy books. Friends of the library is a group we are
> members and workers.
>
> The sad thing, this medium town won't take for sale my advanced Physics
> books as being to tech. They have a country sense to them but have
> grown. Industry here spans from missile production to oil well pump
> systems, gears that are up to 60' in diameter - real kick seeing them
> ship out of here on truck or rail. The steel is melted in their own
> foundry.
>
> So the kids of engineers need to see and learn from things other than
> kid books, and parents can't afford to buy expensive books like I
> was able as an engineer.

I was shocked to see the price on the Skolnik 'RADAR Handbook' I own.


i don't have an accurate count of the books, since there are boxes
stacked almost to the ceiling with books that I haven't inventoried. A
barcode scanner makes that easier, on newer books. :)

[William December Starr]

In article <pJKdncL9Ya4hAwHN...@giganews.com>,
Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> said:

> You might be a Democrat, but by my definition liberals don't
> actually work.

Your definition might be absurd.

-- wds

[hypatiab7]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:02:52 PM UTC-5, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"
> <nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:

>
> >Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
> >and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>
> Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> >Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
> >generation of voters in American history.
>
> Button-pushing lies noted.
>
> >You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>
> Projection noted.
>
> One might wonder why this was posted to alt.politics.obama,
> alt.atheism, rec.crafts.metalworking, rec.arts.tv and
> misc.survivalism.
>
> Or perhaps one might actually know.

Ya think this turd might just be an old-fashioned troll who is trying to cause flame wars between various newsgroups? Ya think?

[hypatiab7]

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 5:52:55 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message news:k7g03t$h9g$5...@dont-email.me...

> > nob...@slug.sluggish.net wrote:
>
> >>Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
> >>and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?

> >>Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
> >>generation of voters in American history.

> >>You're everything that could be expected of idiots.

>

> > It's hard to run against someone who gives you "free" stuff instead of
> > earning it through hard work.
>
> > And you posted this off-topic article here because?
>
> Obama MUST be stopped or else employment will continue to rise !!!

Oh my! And then all the Rethuglicans would get all upset!
No, wait, they already are!

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 10, 9:31 am, Robert Parker <robpar1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:24:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I don't know about Ohio but in Texas closing the special schools for the
> mentally challenged, didn't help in fact it made things worse for the
> average students who were neglected for children who were never going to be
> normal. We need to spend more time and money on the brightest of children,
> not the dimmest.

*Exactly*. The whole idea of "mainstreaming" was lovely in theory,
but all it does in practice is to hold back the bright kids, and make
them bored and resentful.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 10, 10:46 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

I had in excess of 6,000 before I left California - it was to the
point where if I got any more books, I'd need to build an extra room
on the house. When I moved home to Arizona, I gave away about 3,000
of them - now I'm back up to the original number, I think. Close to
it.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<a660652d-ab5d-4964...@jl13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

Most of my books are in a storage locker, 5x5 with a really high
ceiling, piled to the ceiling. I never counted, but there are thousands.

In just 5 years the price of the unit has gone from $92 to $143. My best
friend lives out in San Bernadino County and she says the units are so
much cheaper there, so we may move everything around the holidays. And
go through the books to find the ones I want here at home (mostly to
re-read), which to give away, and which to store.

And then I'd like to take the books that I have here at home and don't
want to store, plus the books from storage that I want, and buy several
of these:

<http://www.hsn.com/home-solutions/origami-folding-organizational-rack_p-
6743973_xp.aspx>

I also think I'd rather have a couple of those instead of chests of
drawers for my sweaters and other knits that can 't be hung up. Getting
the books in the boxes on the floor of the closets will help, too.
Imagine having room on the closet floor for my shoes!!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/9/2012 9:10 AM, raven1 wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:12:09 -0500, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>
>> On 11/8/2012 5:35 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:39:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner" <mars@tacks> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:mc3o98l9cb733m2p3...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:13:18 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:45:59 -0500, raven1
>>>>>> <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 00:36:51 -0500 (EST), "Tyler Pearson"

>>>>>>> <nob...@slug.sluggish.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
>>>>>>>> and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
>>>>>>>> generation of voters in American history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> LOL! Bitter much? Sure sucks to be you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Odd...most of us say the same about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The voices in your head do not constitute a proper "us", but thanks
>>>>> for playing.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, kudos to you! You have the system figured out! We stupid ones
>>>> are still trying to figure out how to make a living, raise families, save
>>>> for our retirement, etc, etc....doing all this by working hard, not
>>>> cheating, not taking the freebies, not getting on the dole, etc.., etc..
>>>> Yep, WE ARE STUPID!
>>>
>>> Well, I guess that makes me and all the liberals I know pretty stupid
>>> too: we're doing exactly the same thing.

>>
>> You might be a Democrat, but by my definition liberals don't actually work.
>

> Using your own private definitions for words is not helpful for
> advancing an actual discussion.
>


Are all Democrats are Liberals, or are they all "Progressives"? No, no,
they are all "Radicals"! ...no, they are all "Leftists", THAT'S it!
There are various shades of grey...LOTS of shades of grey.

[Tom Gardner]

Something about the feel and smell of a BOOK! However, for most
publications, I prefer e-books.

[Tom Gardner]

Books breed like fruit flies when you aren't looking. Socks are the
larval form of wire coat hangers.

[Tom Gardner]

Just think...they will ALL fit on a single SD card, with room to spare.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <7ZydndKcgb54_QLN...@giganews.com>,

I've started buying some books electronically. I've converted my sf
magazine subscriptions to electronic.

My ideal situation will be the only physical books I'll buy are those of
my very favorite writers and series.

[Gunner]

On 11 Nov 2012 01:00:38 -0500, wds...@panix.com (William December

Or yours is.

[Gunner]

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/HandToolsAndMisc#5809496864834567058

Mine wont. Ive got 45 Gigs of Ebooks alone, and all the unscanned,
floor to ceiling, books beside and behind me as I type this.

Gunner

[Gunner]

Indeed. I use the "reefer" method of book recycling.

When I finally fill a refrigerator box with unwanted books, Ill post
an ad on Craigslist or similar. "Swap, trade or sell, 25 cents" each
and in a couple weeks..the box is empty again.

I think in the last 20 yrs..Ive gotten rid of 5 reefer box loads in
this and similar ads

[Don Martin]

. . . to keep them from becoming Republicans.

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[Don Martin]

Unfortunately, parents of the most impaired kids are the most likely
to sue, and they are not afraid to play the pity card. ("Just watch
this little video of my little Jimmy hungrily ramming his ice cream
cone into his ear.")

Parents of the brightest kids do not have that to fall back upon. And
unbright "educators" and politicians often assume that the brightest
ones will learn just fine anyway.

[Frank]

On 11/8/2012 12:36 AM, Tyler Pearson wrote:
> Well morons? Are you happy? Did reelecting Obama out of fear
> and hatred of religion make you feel all good inside?
>
> Congratulations on your place in history as the most ignorant
> generation of voters in American history.
>
> You're everything that could be expected of idiots.
>

It is a fact that half of the people have below average intelligence.
Obama was good at mining his voter base.
Lesson to be learned.

[ATP]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-K2dnUZtM5vf-APN...@earthlink.com...
>
> ATP wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:eKudnQfQ6LXpWADN...@earthlink.com...

>> >
>> > ATP wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > WHICH School?
>> >>
>> >> Grammar school. You appear to be one of the children that got left
>> >> behind.
>> >
>> >
>> > How would you know? You were rejected from pre-school.
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW, it was called 'Grade School', or 'Elemntary School', not 'Grammer
>> > School'. I went to a total of five schools between Kindergarten &
>> > graduating from High School. I taught myself electronics, and tested
>> > out of a three year engineering course while in the US Army.
>>

>> Well good for you. Try reading something other than Usenet or right wing
>> propaganda. Classic novels, for instance. You might improve your writing
>> and
>> even your outlook on life.
>
>
> What 'right wing propaganda' US history?
>

> How many books do you own? snip

I never thought to count them, but I'm running out of room, quite a few are
in banker's boxes. Lots of technical volumes and books by my favorite
authors.