Why Liberals Keep Dismissing Communist Crimes ?
words of truth
Dismissing communism's crimes
Stalin and Mao killed tens of millions of people. But no one
seems to care much
George Jonas
Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter Jr., is a documentary
that premiered recently at the Toronto Film Festival. Errol Morris, who
made it, is described by film critic Roger Ebert as "America's most
intriguing and sometimes perplexing documentarian." The film focuses on
Fred A. Leuchter Jr., a designer and constructor of electric chairs,
gas chambers, and lethal injection machines.
A mixture between an eccentric, a pedant, a bungler, and a buffoon, Mr.
Leuchter is one of those earnest dullards who somehow persuade
themselves they're penetrating and dashing. Even more interestingly, he
also comes across in the film as a repressed sadist who has convinced
himself that he's a humanitarian. Mr. Leuchter muddles on designing
execution equipment for various penitentiaries in America, until he
gets hopelessly out of his depth by agreeing to act for Toronto
Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel as a defence expert at his (Zundel's)
trial for spreading false news.
I'm not proposing to review Mr. Death here, except to note that I agree
with Roger Ebert, who wrote in a recent review that "among
documentaries about the Holocaust, this one is invaluable, because
instead of simply repeating familiar facts, it demonstrates the very
process of self-deception that made the Holocaust possible." This may
be true not only about Mr. Leuchter, but also about some of the other
interview subjects in Mr. Morris' film, such as Mr. Zundel and
revisionist historian, David Irving.
What I'd like to address, however, is a related subject in
self-deception.
The Nazi Holocaust claimed about six million Jewish victims. This is
the number of peasants Stalin starved to death in Ukraine alone, just
for a warm-up, before his series of show trials began in the 1930s, as
cited by British scholar Dr. Frank Ellis in the National Post recently.
The total number of communism's victims is about 12 times greater.
According to the Black Book of Communism, an 846-page study published
in Paris by a group of French historians in 1997, Marxist holocausts
claimed 20 million victims in the former Soviet Union, and between 45
million and 72 million in China. The global tally adds to these figures
between 4.3 million and 5.3 million in Cambodia, Vietnam, and North
Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1.5 million in Afghanistan, 1 million in
Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in Latin America.
These were not casualties of war or civil war. These human beings were
murdered by communists, or perished in gulag-type camps in various
communist regimes, or in the cellars of their secret police. The total,
taking the lower figures, is more than 73 million people. But while
Holocaust-denial is rightly condemned, engaging in gulag-denial (or
perhaps in gulag-denigration) remains respectable, if not de rigueur,
in Western intellectual circles.
To go no further, in a recent issue of the National Post, while
dismissing French director Regis Wargnier's Est-Ouest, film reviewer
Stephen Cole asks, in all seriousness: "Eight years after the fall of
the Soviet Union and more than three decades after Solzhenitsyn's
writing came to our attention, does the world really need an expose on
communism?"
Mr. Cole raises his astounding question not in a left-wing periodical
but in the National Post, routinely described as conservative. Now Mr.
Wargnier's movie may merit dismissal (I haven't seen it), but imagine a
critic saying about Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List, no matter how
little he thinks of it: "50 years after the fall of the Third Reich, do
we really need an expose on Nazism?" If a reviewer wrote that, there's
a fair chance it would be all he wrote for that (or maybe any)
newspaper.
Even if a hapless critic only meant to say that the Holocaust has had
so much exposure in the last half century that a filmmaker cannot
revisit the subject unless he has something genuinely new to say about
it, he'd risk censure. But, as Mr. Cole realizes or intuits, it'll cost
him nothing to breezily make a similar statement about the gulag.
Perhaps I'd better bring up something here to avoid misunderstanding.
For me, the Holocaust isn't a TV series. As a Jewish child in Europe, I
am what current jargon calls a "survivor." I'd be the last person on
Earth to dispute that Nazism needs to be exposed forever. I'm only
suggesting that the gulag must be remembered just as keenly.
Unfortunately, it isn't. Holocaust-denial is nothing less than a crime
in most Western countries; it can cost a person his reputation, his
livelihood, in some cases even his freedom. In contrast, we maintain
such a discreet silence about the victims of communism that
gulag-denial isn't even necessary. It's generally replaced by
gulag-dismissal.
Gulag-dismissal in our culture comes in casual, throw-away lines by
film reviewers like Mr. Cole. We've been there, done that. Communism is
old hat, fit only for old dogs who cannot be taught new tricks, like
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Let's get on with important things, such as the
latest story of young lesbian love or that wacky caper movie with a
great soundtrack of Japanese rock music.
Or, indeed, another brittle documentary on the puzzle of
Holocaust-deniers.
This isn't just a figure of speech, for in a subsequent issue of the
National Post Mr. Cole offers not just one, but two enthusiastic pieces
about Mr. Death. He isn't troubled by the fact that 54 years have
passed since Nazi Germany collapsed, and 52 years since Primo Levi
published his 1947 memoir, Survival in Auschwitz. Mr. Cole doesn't ask
whether "we really need" another expose on the Holocaust.
In Mr. Cole's defence, he may simply like Mr. Morris' work and not
think much of Mr. Wargnier's. That would be fine, except that's not
what he puts on paper. Mr. Cole doesn't merely question Mr. Wargnier's
work: He questions his theme. As the Bard had it, there's the rub.
Far be it from me to hold Mr. Cole's double standard against Mr. Death.
Let's by all means have further exposes on the Holocaust, all the more
so if they're as ingenious and compelling as Mr. Morris' opus. Not only
because the Holocaust merits perpetual discussion, but because
Holocaust-denial is a genuine puzzle.
First, it's a puzzle because it disputes a thoroughly documented
historical event that is still within the living memory of witnesses.
But it's also a puzzle because it's so detrimental to those who embrace
it. Unlike gulag-denial, Holocaust-denial isn't a smart career move.
In The New York Observer Ron Rosenbaum quotes Mr. Morris as saying "I
didn't want to make a movie proving the world is round." Presumably he
meant that refuting Holocaust-deniers is too easy, in a class with
refuting people who believe the moon is made of green cheese. Indeed,
discrediting Holocaust-deniers isn't very challenging; the challenging
thing is figuring out why some people persist in denying the Holocaust
when it's not only false and stupid, but it doesn't do them a damn bit
of good.
One answer is, well, they're anti-Semites. But while this answer may
fit Ernst Zundel, Mr. Morris doesn't think it fits his central subject,
Fred Leuchter, Jr., and I think Mr. Morris is right. Another answer is,
well, they're ignorant, but that answer doesn't fit historian David
Irving. (If ignorant people have anything in common with well-educated
people, it's that very few in either group deny the Holocaust.) A third
answer is, well, they're sick -- but that doesn't seem to fit Mr.
Leuchter or Mr. Irving or Mr. Zundel, at least not in any clinical
sense. And if we take "sick" as just a synonym for "weird," the word
becomes so diffuse that, while it may fit all three, it explains
nothing.
So in the end the truly interesting question doesn't get answered in
Mr. Death -- which isn't to say that it shouldn't have been raised. The
fact is, most questions worth raising have no answer, or at least none
that are simple or easy.
For instance, there's no easy answer to why Mr. Cole seems to believe
that some holocausts are worth continual discussion, while others,
notably Soviet holocausts, are only worth sweeping under the rug. I
find this a fascinating question. Perhaps Mr. Morris can tackle it in
his next documentary.
The Century's Worst Crimes
by Eric Margolis
What 's going on in Moscow? Two weeks ago, Boris Yeltsin abruptly fired
his entire government, including heir apparent, PM Vicktor
Chernomyrdin. He appointed Sergei Kiriyenko, an almost unknown 35-year
old technocrat, as prime minister.
Yeltsin quickly restored some of the key players he had fired,
including Russia's able foreign minister, Yevgeny Primakov. Yeltsin
named hardliner Sergei Stepashin Interior Minister to replace another
hawk, Gen. Anatoli Kulikov. Former cabinet stars Boris Nemtsov and
Anatoli Chubais were dumped in the reshuffle. Yelstin then announced he
would not run for another term in 2000.
Russians and outsiders were shocked and bewildered by Yelsin's
political thunderclap. My most reliable Moscow sources re utterly
confused. Was Yeltsin cutting down rivals as part of a secret plan to
run again? Was kingmaker Boris Berezhovsky, Russia's greatest
industrial baron, mounting a Byzantine intrigue? Would Yeltsin become
regent of a restored Romanov dynasty? Was Boris out of control?
An enigma, wrapped up in a mystery, as Churchill observed of Russia.
Spasms of violent, irrational behavior, and bloody purges, are Russian
traditions. Ivan the Terrible had his dreaded secret police - the
`opritchniki'- cut off the heads of plotting boyars(nobles). Peter the
Great tortured his boyars. When the party bureaucracy frustrated
Stalin's commands, he had 2 million communist cadres shot. Response,
thereafter, was eager and rapid.
Few noticed a very important event amid Moscow's political uproar.
After finishing Kremlin spring cleaning, Yeltsin ordered secret
documents about Stalin be handed over to a presidential commission
investigating victims of Soviet terror. While some Soviet era archives
have been opened to scholars, many key documents remain sealed as
`state secrets.'
It's high time for `new' Russia to face up to Stalin's crimes. Germany
fully confessed to Hitler's crimes. Japan grudgingly concedes `regret'
for some wartime crimes. But the greatest crimes of all - Stalin's Red
Terror - have never been adequately investigated or denounced by
Russia. President Yeltsin is doing his people and a world a favor by
shining light into Russia darkest night of horror and shame.
We have been thoroughly conditioned by wartime propaganda and
subsequent relentless rehashing on TV of Nazi themes (including, even,
Space Nazis!) to believe Hitler and his Nazis were the century's worst
criminals. This is one of the biggest lies of our time.
Hitler killed about 12 million people, half of them Jews. According to
the lowest current estimates by reputable Russian historians, Stalin
was directly responsible for murdering 20 million of his own people,
including 8 million Ukrainians in the 1930's. Other Russian and foreign
scholars, like the noted Robert Conquest, assert the true number of
Stalin's victims was 30 million, or even 40! These figures do not
include Russia's 18 million war dead.
Opening secret Soviet archives will, I believe, point to the 30 million
figure. The full story of the Ukrainian Holocaust and NKVD's savagery
in the Baltic states is murky, even today. Stalin's exile of entire
Muslim peoples, such as Chechen, Ingush, Cherkass, Dhagestanis, and
Tatars, remains almost unknown. Three million Muslims may have died in
Stalin's Arctic camps where extreme cold proved an even cheaper and
more efficient mass killer than poison gas.
While Hitler's worst crimes occurred from 1942 onward, and were masked
by world war, Stalin's mass murder of 8 million Ukrainians happened in
the 1930's, before the world's gaze. Hitler did not start World War II
alone: he began it jointly with ally Stalin, when Germany and the USSR
invaded and carved up Poland - after Russia invaded Finland.
As we watch world Jewish groups lambaste Switzerland for aiding Nazi
Germany, we should ask: what about the US and Britain allying
themselves with Stalin's USSR, a far bloodier, more dangerous tyranny
than Nazi Germany? President Roosevelt shamefully called Stalin, who
had recently murdered tens of millions, `our Uncle Joe.' President
Clinton should have added the US alliance with Stalin to his orgy of
historical contrition during his African trip.
Hitler was inflated as a villain, and Stalin downplayed, by the
victorious Americans and British, who, of course, did not want to be
seen cynically using a greater monster to defeat a lesser one - or
`liberating' Europe from the Nazis by handing half of it to communism.
The Stalinists and fellow travelers who infested Hollywood from
1930-1950, hid Stalin's crimes while trumpeting Hitler's. Their liberal
heirs today continue this love affair with the left; as well as a
policy of ensuring the terrible suffering of Hitler's victims is not
diluted by revelations of the equally terrible sufferings of other
peoples.
Russia has hidden the full story of Stalin's crimes out of national
shame and amnesia induced by national agony. European and American
socialists/leftists don't want to be reminded their roots are entwined
with Stalin's and Lenin's tyranny.
This conspiracy of silence must end. Congratulations to Boris the
Basher for opening Soviet archives. Crafty Yeltsin knows the facts will
badly damage Russia's Communist Party.
The Left wants to keep hiding the truth that Stalin was history's
single greatest murderer. And that communist regimes killed more
people- close to 100 million - this century, than all its wars
combined.
[Eric Margolis is a syndicated foreign affairs columnist and
broadcaster based in Toronto, Canada.]
Jez
"words of truth" <wordso...@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dismissing communism's crimes
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> Stalin and Mao killed tens of millions of people. But no one
> seems to care much
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Shows what a butcher one becomes when trained to be a priest !
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
cob...@gmail.com
this one:
Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just don't relate
communism to the cause of these crimes. These crimes are a cause of
corruption through power. Any authoritarian powerhouse will have
similar amounts of crimes.
It's stupid to say communism is wrong, when merely authoritarianism is.
Jim E
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Communism is a blight on humanity.
Socialism taken to it's logical end.
Death to socialists.
Jim E
Dameocrat
That would be "logical extreme". How do you explain the Western European
Countries? You might as well say Mogadishu was Republican hatred of the
Government taken to its logical end.
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Jez
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> <cob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I'm speaking for myself here, but I hope that many agree with me on
>> this one:
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>> Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just don't relate
>> communism to the cause of these crimes. These crimes are a cause of
>> corruption through power. Any authoritarian powerhouse will have
>> similar amounts of crimes.
>>
>> It's stupid to say communism is wrong, when merely authoritarianism is.
>>
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> Communism is a blight on humanity.
How do you know ? It's never been tried.
> Socialism taken to it's logical end.
> Death to socialists.
How wonderfully the Capitalists treated the population of New Orleans !!!
Stupid prick.
leopoldo...@gmail.com
economy forced them to be nasty butchers to say the least. A system is
force to be stern and harsh to compensate for the economic hardships
and keep a balance between the power of the state and the forces of
rebelion.
That could easily explain a lot of the hardships in medieval and
ancient times. There is not any political system so liberal as today
democracies. And these can be stable thanks to advanced tecnological
means of production.
If the comunist system would have been the astonishing success they
were expecting they would have not any need to be so criminal as they
were.
But the comunist system resulted in an unbelievable failure from the
start.
Leopoldo
Jez
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> "Jim E" <YD64...@SEA.net> wrote in message
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>> <cob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> I'm speaking for myself here, but I hope that many agree with me on
>>> this one:
>>>
>>> Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just don't relate
>>> communism to the cause of these crimes. These crimes are a cause of
>>> corruption through power. Any authoritarian powerhouse will have
>>> similar amounts of crimes.
>>>
>>> It's stupid to say communism is wrong, when merely authoritarianism is.
>>>
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>> Communism is a blight on humanity.
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> How do you know ? It's never been tried.
>
>> Socialism taken to it's logical end.
>> Death to socialists.
>
> How wonderfully the Capitalists treated the population of New Orleans !!!
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2005/12/katrina-crime-that-keeps-on-paying-off.html
Goodness Godless
Hitler was a Christian.
The first people that Hitler the Christian Mudered was Athiest and
Communists!
But like all IslamoChristians , words of truth, will alway live his lie!
Jim E
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>> <cob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1134195705....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> I'm speaking for myself here, but I hope that many agree with me on
>>> this one:
>>>
>>> Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just don't relate
>>> communism to the cause of these crimes. These crimes are a cause of
>>> corruption through power. Any authoritarian powerhouse will have
>>> similar amounts of crimes.
>>>
>>> It's stupid to say communism is wrong, when merely authoritarianism is.
>>>
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>> Communism is a blight on humanity.
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> How do you know ? It's never been tried.
Then what is that ongoing paradise of Cuba calling itself lately.
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>> Socialism taken to it's logical end.
>> Death to socialists.
>
> How wonderfully the Capitalists treated the population of New Orleans !!!
>
Yo mean how wonderfully the local Democratic government treated the
population ?
> Stupid prick.
Another argument from the left.
Jim E
Nightshade
Always the xtian answer: KILL THEM.
Always has been, always will be.
Scott Erb
Jez wrote:
> "Jim E" <YD64...@SEA.net> wrote in message
> > Communism is a blight on humanity.
>
> How do you know ? It's never been tried.
The 20th century variant of bureaucratic governmental communism is dead
anyway. Calling someone a "commie" now only evokes yawns, it's so
twentieth century. Cuba persists, but Castro's socialism is pretty
mild compared to the worst communist atrocities. North Korea persists,
but it now is a kind of unique personal evil regime, not so much part
of an "ism." China is really capitalist now.
There are real lessons -- the vision of utopia can't be enforced by
strong government, and the attempt to do so creates things that subvert
that vision into something the opposite of what was intended (Marx saw
the state whithering away to a stateless voluntaristic society). But
those who think that somehow this means capitalism "won" as if it were
a football game between two isms, are wrong. The reason that people
were inspired by communism -- a desire to end exploitation and combat
structural power and structural inequities -- is still present, and I
think among young people growing. We're just wiser now, and know that
a big powerful central government isn't the way to achieve a more just
world. It'll take longer, with gradual changes and ultimately a shift
in culture.
spar...@my-deja.com
You've hit the nail on the head, coblin. There is another polarity to
the political spectrum besides left/right or socialist/capitalist.
It's the authoritarian/liberarian axis, and Stalin was so far off the
chart on the authoritarian polarity as to render the left/right,
socialist/capitalist polarities meaningless. Same things could be said
about Hitler and Mussolini, btw.
Now that I mention him, I think it was Mussolini who defined fascism as
"corporatism", which is a marriage between corporations and government.
Several American right-wingers thought that was a neat idea back in
the 1930s.
Anyway, what Stalin did to the Kulaks had nothing to do with socialism.
Joseph Hertzlinger
but to ignore it. (This is sometimes combined with the premise "If I
haven't heard of something, it didn't exist.") The people who might
otherwise be expected to deny the Communist Holocaust generally don't
bother since they regard lessons from the past as unimportant. If you
expect a whole new world different from anything that has gone before,
there is no reason to think conclusions derived from the past are
valid.
Communist motto: The sun will not rise tomorrow.
Neo-Nazi motto: The sun did not rise yesterday.
James A. Donald
On 9 Dec 2005 22:21:45 -0800, cob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just
> don't relate communism to the cause of these crimes.
> These crimes are a cause of corruption through power.
> Any authoritarian powerhouse will have similar amounts
> of crimes.
But they don't
Communists typically have between a thousand and million
times the murder rate of mere authoritarians.
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Jez
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> "Jez" <iced_...@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jim E" <YD64...@SEA.net> wrote in message
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>>> <cob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1134195705....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I'm speaking for myself here, but I hope that many agree with me on
>>>> this one:
>>>>
>>>> Liberals don't dismiss communist crimes, they just don't relate
>>>> communism to the cause of these crimes. These crimes are a cause of
>>>> corruption through power. Any authoritarian powerhouse will have
>>>> similar amounts of crimes.
>>>>
>>>> It's stupid to say communism is wrong, when merely authoritarianism is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Communism is a blight on humanity.
>>
>> How do you know ? It's never been tried.
>
> Then what is that ongoing paradise of Cuba calling itself lately.
Socialist.
Seems the Cubans have a better health service than you dumb 'merkins too.
>
>
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>>> Socialism taken to it's logical end.
>>> Death to socialists.
>>
>> How wonderfully the Capitalists treated the population of New Orleans !!!
>>
>
> Yo mean how wonderfully the local Democratic government treated the
> population ?
And mr 'On vacation' Bush.
>
>
>> Stupid prick.
>
> Another argument from the left.
Nope, just an observation.
Sucker of propaganda.
655321
> Perhaps, we have to accept that the outrageous failure of comunist
> economy forced them to be nasty butchers to say the least
Or perhaps not.
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"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
Jim E
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Being as I'm an atheist who considers killing the enemy a sound policy, what
is the counter argument now.
Waiting for anti atheist insults.
LOL
Jim E
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the secular religion of atheism has a bloody history
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121400956.627638.38960%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
theological disputes among German Protestants; Nazi concentration camps
for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Rabbi Lapin's "In Defense of Christian Conservatives"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1131748480.428356.7430%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Rabbi Lapin on "ethnic Jews whose faith is... Secular Fundamentalism...
drilling holes... in the boat of our culture"
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Merry Winter Solstice!
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Etienne Marais
> Goodness Godless wrote:
>> Get it into your thick skull idiot.
>> Hitler was a Christian.
To Hitler, Christianity meant 'an Aryan
religion born of Zoroasterism'.
He was more of an anti-Christ than a
Christian.
Goodness Godless
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He was as Christian as Bush and other Crusaders, he was
a faciest in self denial, like most belivers in Mumbo Jumbo!
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Hitler, Adolf, during meal times to his innermost circle plus the
occasional reliable guest, e.g. Himmler, as prepared by Hitler's
secretary Martin Bormann. 1953. _Hitler's Secret Conversations:
1941-1944_, translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, with an
introductory essay "The Mind of Adolf Hitler" by H.R. Trevor-Roper (NY:
Farrar, Straus and Young), 597pp. On 51, from the entry for 14 October
1941:
Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to
the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is
true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith.
It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict
with
itself.