>>> 15 hours ago ï¿½ In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>> ï¿½voucherï¿½ plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;

>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
> >
> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
> for
>> profit insurance companies.
>
> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>

50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
Government schools.

What makes you think they can answer a poll correctly?

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Gray Guest

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"find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:f6ae8440-
9cdd-4db9-9a5...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

So you're saying that 75% want it to be bankrupt?

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duke

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Anything is better than buckwheat's idea.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
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Jeanne Douglas

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Sep 16, 2012, 6:20:52 PM9/16/12

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In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
> > On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
> > wrote:
> >> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
> >>
> >>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
> >>> by Jackie Calmes,
> >>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
> >>> 8 - NYTimes.com
> >>

> >>> 15 hours ago In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

> >>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
> >>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
> >>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

> >>> ³voucher² plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;

> >>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
> > >
> > > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
> > for
> >> profit insurance companies.
> >
> > Originating from the elected official, yes.
> >
> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
> Government schools.

I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing assertion????

If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

Frank Galikanokus

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What a tool.

JAM

Dakota

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He's a Republican. He won't have his posts be 'dictated by fact checkers.'

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/were-not-going-to-let-our-campaign-be-dictated-by-fact-checkers/261674/

or

http://tinyurl.com/8gdnoj2

alanm...@yahoo.com

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On Sep 16, 9:15 am, "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_even...@post.com>
wrote:

The switch would only be in effect for those currently under age
55. Under the current system, about 20% of the current budget is
spent on Social Security and SSI, 20% is spent on Medicare, roughly
60 million people, or 20% of the US population receives SSA or SSI
benefits. That demographic is only going to INCREASE over the nex
15 years or so as we baby boomers retire and collect benefits.

Note that the US is BORROWING 40% of the money spent on the
budget. Obviously the current trend is unsustainable. Those
supporting the continuation of the current system are supporting
WEIMAR REPUBLIC inflation of 100 or 10000 percent per year.
That will put the current average wagee eerner, making $51,0000 per
year= dowin from $54000 when President Obama took office,
in the top bracket- under 1000 inflation, the average wage earner will
be making $500,000 per year.- A. McIntire

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 17, 2012, 1:14:32 PM9/17/12

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On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>

>>>>>> 15 hours ago ï¿½ In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>> ï¿½voucherï¿½ plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;

>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>> >
>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
>>>> for
>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>
>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>
>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>>> Government schools.
>>
>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing assertion????
>>
>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>

["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among 11
major school districts ï¿½ even when poor children are compared with other
poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]

Eddie Haskell

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"find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message
news:f6ae8440-9cdd-4db9...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...

The American people don't even know what the Ryan Plan is thanks to the
corrupt MSM, and this poll was conducted to make sure that was the case, you
fucking idiot.

Tell you what, take a poll and ask people if they understand that the
voucher system is optional and if they want to keep things the way they are
they can. Ask that fucking question and you will get the same result. 75%
don't know that. The simple fact of the matter is that if people actually
knew what the plan entailed they would PREFER it.

Now, take your delight in seeing the success of your fascist tactics and ram
them up your ass.

Oh, and what's your plan to save Medicare other than stealing 720 billion
from the program, watching go broke while you smear anyone that tries to
save it.

Don't have one? Well fuck you then and STFU about it.

Lying piece of shit.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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Sep 17, 2012, 5:08:44 PM9/17/12

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:505607EB...@nospam.net...

> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>
>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> by Jackie Calmes,
>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>

>> 15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> "voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>
> What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of for
> profit insurance companies.

Capitalism and the profit motive built the greatest, wealthiest nation in
the history of man, you propaganda parroting socialist fuckwit.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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Sep 17, 2012, 5:10:01 PM9/17/12

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>> wrote:
>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>
>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>

>>>> 15 hours ago � In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>> �voucher� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;

>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >
>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
>> for
>>> profit insurance companies.
>>
>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>
> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
> Government schools.
>
> What makes you think they can answer a poll correctly?

The American public is horribly clueless and the poll was conducted to
confirm that.

That's why they celebrate it.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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Sep 17, 2012, 5:11:48 PM9/17/12

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>>>>>>> Paragraph
>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 15 hours ago � In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>>> �voucher� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>>>>>>> system;
>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
>>>>> for
>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>>
>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>>>> Government schools.
>>>
>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing assertion????
>>>
>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>>
>
> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among 11

> major school districts � even when poor children are compared with other

> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]

And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.

"It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
program"

http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA0D0B81C24397We...@88.198.244.100...

That, and the fact that 75% are clueless beyond all recognition. All they
know is what the MSM / DNC cabal has told them.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:50566886...@nospam.net...

> duke wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT), "find WMD yet Repubs?"
>> <walter_...@post.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >by Jackie Calmes,
>> >The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> >8 - NYTimes.com
>> >

>> >15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>> >voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>> >a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> >House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> >"voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> >Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>
>> Anything is better than buckwheat's idea.
>>
>> The dukester, American - American
>> ********************************************
>> A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
>> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
>> rolling thunder guide your decision at the
>> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
>> May God bless America.
>> ********************************************
>
> What a tool.

You damn sure are.

-Eddie Haskell

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Sep 17, 2012, 5:15:13 PM9/17/12

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On Sep 17, 4:10 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <ggdg...@dgeri.com> wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> messagenews:50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

there is little evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the
highest earners are associated with savings/investment/productivity
growth:In fact the study found that higher tax rates for the wealthy
are statistically associated with higher levels of growth

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-dont-spur-151649273.html

Study: Tax Cuts for the Rich Don't Spur Growth
By Robert Frank | CNBC – 4 hours ago

Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not generate faster economic
growth, according to a new report. But those cuts may widen the income
gap between the rich and the rest, according to a new report.
A study from the Congressional Research Service -- the non-partisan
research office for Congress -- shows that "there is little evidence
over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the highest earners are
associated with savings, investment or productivity growth."
In fact, the study found that higher tax rates for the wealthy are
statistically associated with higher levels of growth.

The finding is likely to fuel to the already bitter political fight
over taxing the rich, with President Obama and the Democrats calling
for higher taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit and fund
spending. Mitt Romney and the GOP advocate lower marginal tax rates
for top earners, saying they fuel investment and job creation.
 The CRS study looked at tax rates and economic growth since 1945. The
top tax rate in 1945 was above 90 percent, and fell to 70 percent in
the 1960s and to a low of 28 percent in 1986.
The top current rate is 35 percent. The tax rate for capital gains was
25 percent in the 1940s and 1950s, then went up to 35 percent in the
1970s, before coming down to 15 percent today - the lowest rate in
more than 65 years.

Lowering these rates for the wealthy, the study found, isn't aligned
with significant improvement in any of the areas it examined. Pushing
tax rates down had a "negligible effect" on private saving, and while
it does note a relationship between investing and capital gains rates,
the correlations "are not statistically significant," the study says.
"Top tax rates," it concludes, "do not necessarily have a demonstrably
significant relationship with investment."
The study said that lower marginal rates have a "slight positive
effect" on productivity while lower capital gains rates have a "slight
negative association" with productivity. But, again, neither effect
was considered statistically significant.
Do higher taxes on the rich lead to faster economic growth? Not
necessarily. The paper says that while growth accelerated with higher
taxes on the rich, the relationship is "not strong" and may be
"coincidental," since broader economic factors may be responsible for
that growth.
There is one part of the economy, however, that is changed by tax cuts
for the rich: inequality. The study says that the biggest change in
the distribution of U.S. income has been with the top 0.1 percent of
earners - not the one percent.

The share of total income going to the top 0.1 percent hovered around
4 percent during the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, then rose to 12 percent
by the mid-2000s. During this period, the average tax rate paid by the
0.1 percent fell from more than 40 percent to below 25 percent.
The study said that "as top tax rates are reduced, the share of income
accruing to the top of the income distribution increases" and that
"these relationships are statistically significant."
In other words, cutting taxes on the rich may not grow the economic
pie. But the study found that those cuts can effect "how that economic
pie is sliced."

Eddie Haskell

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<alanm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 9:15 am, "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_even...@post.com>
wrote:
> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
> by Jackie Calmes,
> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
> 8 - NYTimes.com
>
> 15 hours ago � In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of
> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
> �voucher� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."

> The switch would only be in effect for those currently under age
> 55.

And those that WANT to make the switch, which most will. In fact, the fact
that it doesn't kick in for those under 55 is a negative, but we have to
make that part of it to combat the lying that dominates the MSM / DNC cabal.

> Under the current system, about 20% of the current budget is
> spent on Social Security and SSI, 20% is spent on Medicare, roughly
> 60 million people, or 20% of the US population receives SSA or SSI
> benefits. That demographic is only going to INCREASE over the nex
> 15 years or so as we baby boomers retire and collect benefits.

> Note that the US is BORROWING 40% of the money spent on the
> budget. Obviously the current trend is unsustainable.

They don't care.

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Tax cuts are partially responsible for our deficit and there is no
evidence that 10 years of tax cuts have created any jobs.

Deregulation in 1999 and 2000 is the root cause of our economic
problems.

Explain to me how tax cuts and deregulation will have a different
outcome this time.

JAM

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 17, 2012, 11:35:07 PM9/17/12

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On 9/17/2012 11:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 9/17/2012 5:11 PM, Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>>>>>>>>>> Paragraph
>>>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago ï¿½ In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>>>>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>>>>>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>>>>>> ï¿½voucherï¿½ plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>>>>>>>>>> system;
>>>>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>>>>>>> Government schools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing assertion????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among 11

>>>> major school districts ï¿½ even when poor children are compared with other

>>>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
>>>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>>>
>>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
>>> program"
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the
>> UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers so that 50% of the kids can learn to
>> read and write.
>
> If we spent more on our schools and less on killing tens of thousands of
> innocent people we could see and improvement in these numbers.
>
> JAM
>
> BTW government = you and me
>

If it costs more than the children will ever earn in their life to
educate them, it's an exercise in futility, we are working backwards not
forward..... isn't that the opposite of what Obama says he is for?

Obama's slogan is "FORWARD"

Maybe he could change it to "One Step Forward and TWO Steps Backwards"

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Frank's solution was to ban public money from private schools just to
keep that status quo.

My question was why?

My thought is why NOT let private schools teach kids because government
schools have already failed at it(a private school could do no worse).
If you prevent a poor child from getting a religious education you are
depriving the child of the freedom of religion as well as depriving them
of their right to an education.

This is the flip side of the coin from when Liberals put Sandra Fluck
that college woman out there to whine that women were being banned from
getting birth control.... yet we all knew no one was banning them,
they could go to any other school and get their free birth control.

In this scenario the government is banning the child from an education,
rather than the religious entity banning the contraceptive that's
preventing that child's birth. Since the government has stepped in and
decided to declare it unfair to ban people from what they want (Birth
Control) , the government is no breaking its own precedence.

This is the hypocritical behavior that Liberal-Socialists are famous for.

--

*Rumination*

*The least government necessary is the best government possible*

Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
competition would help us get out of this depression.

End the "war on drugs" make them legal (increase competition) and sold
at any drug store and push for prostitution to be legal too, that will
take the BIG money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
hurt the human trafficking business income also. Why have illegal
prostitutes when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?

Create Bi-color money, Red money for inside the USA and Original Green
money outside the USA..... NOTHING BUT A COLOR/INK difference, and
suddenly sending red money home to Mexico would be useless as the RED
money would be useless in Mexico since the Banks and etc wouldn't accept
it abroad. All electronic money leaving the USA would be debited the
Sales tax when the money is sent/spent.

The Drug dealers would have Red money that they need to exchange for
green money, makes it hard to do in large amounts and hard to spend and
more expensive to deal with….. that *makes Drug smuggling less*
*profitable* as would dropping the income tax and installing a
NATIONAL “NEW ITEM” SALES TAX *NOT* IMPLEMENTING A VAT TAX WHICH WILL
HELP THE DRUG DEALERS and illegals by making their tax free money
leaving the country even more valuable. If they had to buy/exchange the
RED money for GREEN money then you would charge the sales tax at that
point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7FshBjkS6U&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogpile.com%2Finfo.dogpl.prefer%2Fsearch%2Fweb%3Fq%3Dportugal-legalizes-drugs--crime-usage-falls

Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
Maybe enact something similar to the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales
tax) *BUT NOT A VAT or VALUE ADDED TAX* with the same mendment that
removes income tax and the IRS, preferably a Federal *NEW ITEM* sales tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7AgwtSzxt8

This will reduce the number of tax crimes that people are in jails for
and it will give the people back their privacy. It will also promote
*GREEN* living where people will save more and waste less and buy second
hand and wear things out rather than discard and buy new. Then add to
the amendment that *if congress raises any tax by* 1% *they are forced*
*to cut* every single expenditure of the *government by* 3%.

Begin to draw down troops as needed from around the world. Put half of
our military bases along the southern Border to minimize the amount of
border that the Border patrol needs to watch, the military and Federal
trespassing laws will push the illegals to spaces between the military
bases.

This tax/border policy will financially assault the drug dealers and
hookers and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay
tax when they *spend their money* , which will further reduce the
benefit of dealing in other illegal stuff. There needs to be one type
of dollar for use inside America and one type(color) of dollars for use
outside the USA. That will make it harder for smugglers to get money out
of the country and if they do spend it here then they will pay the sales
tax and that money is used to enforce the laws to catch smugglers and
terrorists. We are "right now" taking money from peoples pay checks
before they get them and at the same time we don't tax drug dealers
terrorists or hookers or illegals or others at all, we are penalizing
the working Americans and giving a TAX loop hole bonus to illegal
activity. Sales tax will also encourage saving money rather than
encouraging the leveraging of every dime you can borrow like income tax
does.

This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals less welfare and charge them
tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
them......

End Social Security/Medicare, grandfather it out of existence.

Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all
*laws_and_treaties* have a seven year sunset clause, and it requires
that each law/treaty be voted by a separate roll call vote every seven
years to continue to be maintained in our laws.

There should also be some constitutional amendments to stifle congress'
borrowing and spending making it more difficult for that process. And a
constitutional amendment to limit the Interstate Commerce Clause. The
politicians use that clause to justify all sorts of socialist crap. The
founding fathers never meant for it to be so broadly applied. Limit it
with an amendment, so government can't justify every crazy idea by
saying its legal under the interstate commerce clause.

Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House
has 6 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, for a total of 12 years in
either side of congress. WE NEED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM PASSING FRIVOLOUS
LAWS TAXES AND BORROWING AND ENDLESSLY PRINTING MONEY.

To quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we need to
take away congress' ability to "social engineer" businesses or private
people by removing the governments use of tax code to manipulate people.

Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they meet the
income of the government. The best way, is to
*use_both_cutting_and_taxing* , the Congress should implement a rule to
force an across the board spending freeze/cap (That only allows cutting
spending) and then across the board cuts on the government spending, to
do that we have to include a law in our TAX amendment to the
constitution that can't be easily circumvented, to force them to cut
spending 3% for every 1% Congress raise taxes. So any federal sales tax
increase would result in automatic spending cuts using a baseline of 10%
taxes.

And we need to give up our roll as the police man of the world, let
them fight their own fights. We also need fewer crimes for people to be
committing, we need fewer police and prisons to support.... the above
drug and tax plan, will reduce police and prison needs by at least that
10% that this plan suggested cutting each year.

NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to private people by 10%
each year until it is 10% of today's cost. Any way you look at it, we're
in DEEP for a long time.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 18, 2012, 11:00:41 AM9/18/12

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Frank's solution was to ban public money from private schools just to
keep that status quo.

My question was why?

My thought is why NOT let private schools teach kids because government
schools have already failed at it(a private school could do no worse).
If you prevent a poor child from getting a religious education you are
depriving the child of the freedom of religion as well as depriving them
of their right to an education.

This is the flip side of the coin from when Liberals put Sandra Fluck
that college woman out there to whine that women were being banned from
getting birth control.... yet we all knew no one was banning them,
they could go to any other school and get their free birth control.

In this scenario the government is banning the child from an education,
rather than the religious entity banning the contraceptive that's
preventing that child's birth. Since the government has stepped in and
decided to declare it unfair to ban people from what they want (Birth

Control) , the government is now breaking its own precedence by banning
children from an education they may want as much as Sandra Fluck wants
birth control..

This is the hypocritical behavior that Liberal-Socialists are famous for.

--

*Rumination*

#36 - Government doesn't create, it consumes what the people create.

Nickname unavailable

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Sep 18, 2012, 11:02:08 AM9/18/12

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On Sep 18, 9:52 am, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

we do not want to subsidize private schools. there are to many morons
that think that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together 5
thousand years ago. all of your other anti-regulatory small government
tax crap has been refuted even by reagans own people. you are a
picture perfect snapshot o this,

the republican party is simply running out of al bundy, homer
simpson, archie bunker types. people so stupid, they cannot even do
basic math, let alone come in from the rain.
the constitution of the united states was a anti-conservative
statement by the majority of the founders of the united states of
america.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

but upon careful examination "THE CONSERVATIVES" feeble attempts at
confusion and dishonesty does not stand up to the light. they live in
a counter-factual universe, the product of the hermetically sealed
"CONSERVATIVE" subculture. Trying to see the world through the lens
of
"THE CONSERVATIVE", is like looking at a fun-house mirror;
everything’s backwards and distorted.

"THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their
“just” desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
point out that the world didn’t actually work that way. I think this
shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into “creat[ing]
their own reality,” into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,
scientists, and academics, and why they won’t let a campaign “be
dictated by fact-checkers” (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains
why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news
sources or don’t bother to follow the news at all.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 18, 2012, 11:51:57 AM9/18/12

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On 9/18/2012 11:02 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
> On Sep 18, 9:52 am, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>
> we do not want to subsidize private schools. there are to many morons
> that think that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together 5
> thousand years ago. all of your other anti-regulatory small government
> tax crap has been refuted even by reagans own people. you are a
> picture perfect snapshot o this,
>
> the republican party is simply running out of al bundy, homer
> simpson, archie bunker types. people so stupid, they cannot even do
> basic math, let alone come in from the rain.
> the constitution of the united states was a anti-conservative
> statement by the majority of the founders of the united states of
> america.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> but upon careful examination "THE CONSERVATIVES" feeble attempts at
> confusion and dishonesty does not stand up to the light. they live in
> a counter-factual universe, the product of the hermetically sealed
> "CONSERVATIVE" subculture. Trying to see the world through the lens
> of
> "THE CONSERVATIVE", is like looking at a fun-house mirror;

> everythingï¿½s backwards and distorted.

>
> "THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
> small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
> view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their

> ï¿½justï¿½ desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
> point out that the world didnï¿½t actually work that way. I think this
> shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into ï¿½creat[ing]
> their own reality,ï¿½ into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,
> scientists, and academics, and why they wonï¿½t let a campaign ï¿½be
> dictated by fact-checkersï¿½ (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains

> why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
> oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news

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Sep 18, 2012, 1:15:29 PM9/18/12

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there are to many conservative/libertarian/fascist morons clogging up
the ticket aisles, buying one way tickets to somalia:))))))

Alec Fraser

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"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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>^^^^^

Oh yeah! That's the vacation spot of the world! ;\
Then, they buy a used yacht there cheap, get pirated again.... perfect
circle of events!

Where DO I sign up?

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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>> > major school districts - even when poor children are compared with

>> > other
>> > poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
>> > in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>>
>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
>> program"
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>

> Great!
>
> Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
> has bee defeated.

I wondered who would be the first to chime with the democrat's stupid
talking point defense of their corrupt relationship with the NEA and their
quest to fuck American children out of an education. You people are so
immoral and corrupt it's un-fucking-believable. You don't give a fuck about
anyone but yourselves and however you personally benefit from a democrat
administration..

-Eddie Haskell

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Sep 18, 2012, 1:38:35 PM9/18/12

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On 9/18/2012 12:57 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
> On Sep 17, 9:52 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the
>> UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers
>
> Wrong. "The nation with the highest test scores in the world is
> Finland." (thanks to the Finnish teachers union (OJA or Trade Union of
> Education in Finland))

We don't live in Finland and our kids are stupid, and UNIONS are 100% in
control. Facts are facts.

Eddie Haskell

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:5057D0F...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>>>>>>>>>> Paragraph
>>>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago � In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>>>>>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the
>>>>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>>>>>> �voucher� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>>>>>>>>>> system;
>>>>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>>>>>>> Government schools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing
>>>>>> assertion????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among
>>>> 11

>>>> major school districts � even when poor children are compared with

>>>> other
>>>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
>>>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>>>
>>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
>>> program"
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>>>
>>> -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> Great!
>>
>> Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
>> has bee defeated.
>>
>> JAM
>>
> What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?

Because it's not the choice that they want anyone to make. Educated people
don't vote democrat and what of the NEA that pours millions of tax payer
dollars into their campaigns?

Control. Control. Control. Dear god they might learn history or economics.
Then where would the democrats be? Control. Control. Control.

Goddamn America.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:5057E9F2...@nospam.net...

>> >>> major school districts - even when poor children are compared with

>> >>> other
>> >>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic
>> >>> skills
>> >>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>> >>
>> >> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>> >>
>> >> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
>> >> program"
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>> >>
>> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >
>> > Great!
>> >
>> > Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
>> > has bee defeated.
>> >
>> > JAM
>> >
>> What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Rumination*
>> #67 - The least government necessary is the best government possible.
>
>
> Because your choice is just a euphemism for diverting tax money from the
> public schools and into the religious and private schools.

So fucking what, you goddamn intolerant control freak? Oh, look. There's
little Johnny. Go fuck him out of an education in service of your corrupt
DNC masters.

We'll never make progress with these fucking "progressives" in this country,
folks.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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Sep 18, 2012, 1:45:51 PM9/18/12

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:5057EDC9...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/17/2012 11:26 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>>>> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote
>>>>> in
>>>>> message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>>> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus
>>>>>>>>>> <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago � In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters

>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the
>>>>>>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>>>>>>>> �voucher� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>>>>>>>>>>>> system;
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the
>>>>>>>>>> pockets of
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>>>>>>>>> Government schools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing
>>>>>>>> assertion????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among
>>>>>> 11

>>>>>> major school districts � even when poor children are compared with

Private schools do a better job of educating and at a lower cost. We could
spend less money, and better educate kids, but that would put education out
the control of control freak fascist assed democrats who in no way believe
in freedom.

If we don't find a way to stomp the intolerant fascist bastards into the
ground the country is finished.

-Eddie Haskell

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 18, 2012, 1:50:26 PM9/18/12

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It would be a wast of my time to be a politician, not to mention a
character flaw. I want none of my life used by government to steal and
pillage and lie to people. I wouldn't even have dinner with a
politician, it would ruin my appetite anyways.

As for being Stupid, could be... but then I never claim to be the
smartest person in the room, so it sort of guarantees I'm NOT the dumbest.

Government wastes everything.

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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>> >> major school districts - even when poor children are compared with

>> >> other
>> >> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic
>> >> skills
>> >> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>> >
>> > And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>> >
>> > "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
>> > program"
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>> >
>> > -Eddie Haskell
>>
>> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the
>> UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers so that 50% of the kids can learn to
>> read and write.
>
> If we spent more on our schools

We've done that for decades and it just keeps getting worse. What we need is
some competition in education as opposed to a fucking government monopoly.
You sure must have gone to a public school because if you think that more
money is the answer you are first class stupid.

See what I mean, folks? He supports democrats because he's stupid, just like
democrat want him to be.

Oh, and stupid, when a democrat says "more money for education" he means
more money for teacher's unions reciprocated by returning much of that money
into democrat coffers and it's corrupt as hell and destroying education. Why
do you support that? Oh, that's right, the democrats gave you the religious
excuse for you to parrot like an idiot, and never mind that it doesn't even
have to include religious schools. You damn toady obstacle to vastly
improving education in this country..

-Eddie Haskell

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Allow school choice and they would close themselves due to lack of
attendance. Then the building could be used by a private school, but then
where would the democrat's corrupt little money laundering scheme be?

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>> among 11 major school districts - even when poor children are

Bingo. That's the whole point.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:5058989D...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/18/2012 11:02 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 9:52 am, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> we do not want to subsidize private schools. there are to many morons
>> that think that humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together 5
>> thousand years ago. all of your other anti-regulatory small government
>> tax crap has been refuted even by reagans own people. you are a
>> picture perfect snapshot o this,
>>
>> the republican party is simply running out of al bundy, homer
>> simpson, archie bunker types. people so stupid, they cannot even do
>> basic math, let alone come in from the rain.
>> the constitution of the united states was a anti-conservative
>> statement by the majority of the founders of the united states of
>> america.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> but upon careful examination "THE CONSERVATIVES" feeble attempts at
>> confusion and dishonesty does not stand up to the light. they live in
>> a counter-factual universe, the product of the hermetically sealed
>> "CONSERVATIVE" subculture. Trying to see the world through the lens
>> of
>> "THE CONSERVATIVE", is like looking at a fun-house mirror;

>> everything�s backwards and distorted.

>>
>> "THE CONSERVATIVES" world view is flawed because its based upon a
>> small and particularly rosy sliver of reality. To preserve that world
>> view, "THE CONSERVATIVES" believe that people had morally earned their

>> �just� desserts, and had to ignore those whining liberals who tried to
>> point out that the world didn�t actually work that way. I think this
>> shows why "THE CONSERVATIVES" put so much effort into �creat[ing]
>> their own reality,� into fostering distrust of liberals, experts,

>> scientists, and academics, and why they won�t let a campaign �be

>> dictated by fact-checkers� (as a Romney pollster put it). It explains

>> why study after study shows that avid consumers of "THE CONSERVATIVE"-
>> oriented media are more poorly informed than people who use other news

>> sources or don�t bother to follow the news at all.

>
>
>
> You have the attributes all mucked up, I never posted a single word of
> any of that above, all you did was use my name.
>
> You want to allow the forcing of religious schools to follow government
> dictates on birth control and abortion but you don't want to allow a
> child to transfer to that religious school that you say you can control
> and regulate?
>
> That seems a bit strange that the religious schools can't be allowed to
> get government money to teach but they MUST follow the government's
> regulations, isn't that ignoring the government's own precedence showing
> that religious schools are already NOT religious entities at all if they
> can be forced to provide "birth control" to Sandra Fluck.
>
>
> Liberals have by their own actions, declared that religious schools are
> NON religious, because if they were part of a religion, they could NOT
> be forced to provide birth control.
>
>
> You see how Liberals always shoot themselves in the foot...

Oh, they just can't keep up with their own lies they tell so many.

-Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>> "Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

>> news:505607EB...@nospam.net...

>> > find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >> by Jackie Calmes,
>> >> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> >> 8 - NYTimes.com
>> >>

>> >> 15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of

>> >> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>> >> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> >> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> >> "voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> >> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >
>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of for
>> > profit insurance companies.
>>

>> Capitalism and the profit motive built the greatest, wealthiest nation in
>> the history of man, you propaganda parroting socialist fuckwit.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> The American people, all kinds of American people, built the greatest,
> wealthiest nation in
> the history of man.
>
> It was the deregulation of capitalism in 1999 and 2000 that laid low the
> wealthiest nation in
> the history of man in 2007 and 2008 the same way unregulated caused the
> economic disasters of 1929 and 1907.
>
> Grow up boy and learn from history.

Already did, you brain washed public school shit head. It was government
action and regulation that caused the great depression and the financial
crisis. If you had gone to a private school instead of a government one
where you were taught liberal history revision you might have known that,
but instead because of your corrupt government school monopoly were have to
keep repeating history.

"In 1992, Congress MANDATED that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases
of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under
that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and
creative in stimulating minority gains."

"The two companies are now required to devote 42% of their portfolios to
loans for low- and moderate-income borrowers"

"Although Fannie Mae actually has exceeded its target since 1994, it is
resisting any hike. It argues that a higher target would only produce more
loan defaults by pressuring banks to accept unsafe borrowers."

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807

"The final attempt of the Hoover Administration to rescue the economy was
the passage of the Emergency Relief and Construction Act which included
funds for public works programs and the creation of the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation (RFC) in 1932."

"In order to pay for these and other government programs, Hoover agreed to
one of the largest tax increases in American history. The Revenue Act of
1932 raised income tax on the highest incomes from 25% to 63%. The estate
tax was doubled and corporate taxes were raised by almost 15%."

"New Dealer Rexford Tugwell later remarked that although no one would say so
at the time, "practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs
that Hoover started.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent
before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong
... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I
want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We
have never made good on our promises ... I say after eight years of this
Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And
an enormous debt to boot!"

-Treasury secretary Henry Morganthau - May 1939

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.

"Tugwell subsequently served in FDR's administration for four years and was
one of the chief intellectual contributors to his New Deal."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexford_Tugwell

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

-Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>> "Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA0D0B81C24397We...@88.198.244.100...
>> > "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in
>> > news:f6ae8440-
>> > 9cdd-4db9-9a5...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

>> >
>> >> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >> by Jackie Calmes,
>> >> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> >> 8 - NYTimes.com
>> >>
>> >> 15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of
>> >> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>> >> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> >> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> >> "voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> >> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >

>> > So you're saying that 75% want it to be bankrupt?
>>
>> That, and the fact that 75% are clueless beyond all recognition. All they
>> know is what the MSM / DNC cabal has told them.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> Do you really think that putting tax money into the pockets of for
> profit insurance companies is a good idea?
>
> Sounds like you believe that these capitalist are entitled to our tax
> money.

I've never been in favor of Husseincare, and if when I retire I want a
choice as to who I will be insured by whether it be public or private, and
that's my tax money and not yours that went to pay for it, you intolerable
backward control freak.

You all see this, folks? The resident liberal here is not only against
school choice, but retirement choices as well.

Control. Control. Control.

Freedom? What the fuck is that? It won't work.

Control. Control. Control.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>> "Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

>> news:50566886...@nospam.net...
>> > duke wrote:

>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT), "find WMD yet Repubs?"
>> >> <walter_...@post.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >> >by Jackie Calmes,
>> >> >The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> >> >8 - NYTimes.com
>> >> >
>> >> >15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of
>> >> >voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching
>> >> >to
>> >> >a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> >> >House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> >> >"voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> >> >Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >>

>> >> Anything is better than buckwheat's idea.
>> >>
>> >> The dukester, American - American
>> >> ********************************************
>> >> A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
>> >> democracy in America as we know it. Let the
>> >> rolling thunder guide your decision at the
>> >> ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
>> >> May God bless America.
>> >> ********************************************
>> >
>> > What a tool.
>>
>> You damn sure are.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> What scintillating reasoning you posses.
>
> Boys like you need some time to mature.
>
> Take all the time you need.

Tell us the one about how your government school taught you that capitalism
caused the depression and the financial crisis, you toady numb skull.

See, folks. Long ago the left embarked on a mission to take over education
and the media, and now Galikanokus here is the result. No more than a useful
tool of authoritarians.

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:5057AA16...@nospam.net...
> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>
>> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in message
>> news:f6ae8440-9cdd-4db9...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...

>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> by Jackie Calmes,
>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page, Paragraph
>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>
>> > 15 hours ago - In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters of
>> > voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than switching to
>> > a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White
>> > House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a
>> > "voucher" plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> > Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>

>> The American people don't even know what the Ryan Plan is thanks to the
>> corrupt MSM, and this poll was conducted to make sure that was the case,
>> you
>> fucking idiot.
>>
>> Tell you what, take a poll and ask people if they understand that the
>> voucher system is optional and if they want to keep things the way they
>> are
>> they can. Ask that fucking question and you will get the same result. 75%
>> don't know that. The simple fact of the matter is that if people actually
>> knew what the plan entailed they would PREFER it.
>>
>> Now, take your delight in seeing the success of your fascist tactics and
>> ram
>> them up your ass.
>>
>> Oh, and what's your plan to save Medicare other than stealing 720 billion
>> from the program, watching go broke while you smear anyone that tries to
>> save it.
>>
>> Don't have one? Well fuck you then and STFU about it.
>>
>> Lying piece of shit.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> "stealing 720 billion
> from the program"
>
> What does repeating a lie make you?
>
> A liar or a fool?

Nice non-retort because you know that you are the one lying.

Now, why do you want to steal 720 billion from Medicare and stand by and
watch it go broke while you smear anyone who tries to save it? It's kind of
like you are with the entire country, isn't it? Smearing anyone who tries to
save it.

Goddamn America.

Backward progressive idiot..

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in message

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> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 9/17/2012 5:15 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> > On Sep 17, 4:10 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <ggdg...@dgeri.com> wrote:
>> >> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote
>> >> in
>> >> messagenews:50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>> >>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>

>> >>>> wrote:

>> >>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>> >>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>> >>>>>> Paragraph
>> >>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>> >>

>> >>>>>> 15 hours ago �?" In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters

>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>> >>>>>> switching to
>> >>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the
>> >>>>>> White
>> >>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>> >>>>>> �?ovoucher�?� plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>> >>>>>> system;
>> >>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >>

>> >>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the pockets of
>> >>>> for

>> >>>>> profit insurance companies.
>> >>
>> >>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>> >>
>> >>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>> >>> Government schools.
>> >>

>> >>> What makes you think they can answer a poll correctly?
>> >>
>> >> The American public is horribly clueless and the poll was conducted to
>> >> confirm that.
>> >>
>> >> That's why they celebrate it.
>> >>
>> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >
>> > there is little evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the
>> > highest earners are associated with savings/investment/productivity
>> > growth:In fact the study found that higher tax rates for the wealthy
>> > are statistically associated with higher levels of growth
>>
>> You are clueless aren't you... tax and regulations will cut jobs and
>> JOBS have EVERYTHING to do with savings and investment and productivity
>> growth.
>>
>> It's over taxing is NOT sustainable growth it's a pretend high, a sugar
>> rush....
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Rumination*
>> #39 - Stupid is infinite, while genius is finite.
>
> Tax cuts are partially responsible for our deficit and there is no
> evidence that 10 years of tax cuts have created any jobs.

That's a lie. Reaganomics worked for JFK, Reagan, Clinton and Bush. The
average top marginal rate was lower during Clinton than even Reagan and the
deficit was going down while revenues were going up amid a booming economy
and low unemployment during Bush until the democrat's financial crisis hit.
It's the opposite approach of Husseinonomics that doesn't work, and it's
been proven.

http://tinyurl.com/5tm83dm

http://tinyurl.com/6le35qr

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

> Deregulation in 1999 and 2000 is the root cause of our economic
> problems.

I've already proven that to be a lie. If you had gotten a proper education
as opposed to a government one you might be able to think for yourself.

"In 1992, Congress MANDATED that Fannie and Freddie increase their purchases
of mortgages for low-income and medium-income borrowers. Operating under
that requirement, Fannie Mae, in particular, has been aggressive and
creative in stimulating minority gains."

"The two companies are now required to devote 42% of their portfolios to
loans for low- and moderate-income borrowers"

"Although Fannie Mae actually has exceeded its target since 1994, it is
resisting any hike. It argues that a higher target would only produce more
loan defaults by pressuring banks to accept unsafe borrowers."

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807

> Explain to me how tax cuts and deregulation will have a different
> outcome this time.

It won't. It will cause economic growth and increased revenues just like it
did for JFK, Reagan, Clinton and Bush.

Now, you tell how me forcing (regulating) banks to make risky loans will
have a different outcome. Will you again blame republicans for your fuck-up
so you can continue the carnage with the willing help of the corrupt MSM?

"In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the housing
crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to relax their
mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor
credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination, according to
court documents reviewed by IBD."

"Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan
set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of court
rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist. An
additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ spokeswoman says."

Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income blacks
and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public assistance" as
valid income in mortgage applications.

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/2200

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:5057F0E9...@blackhole.nebulax.com...

> On 9/17/2012 11:32 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2012 5:15 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>>>> On Sep 17, 4:10 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <ggdg...@dgeri.com> wrote:
>>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote
>>>>> in
>>>>> messagenews:50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>>>>>>>>> Paragraph
>>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago – In the Times/CBS poll, more than three-quarters

>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> voters favored keeping Medicare the way it is rather than
>>>>>>>>> switching to
>>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the
>>>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>>>> House on down, Democrats are calling the Republican approach a

>>>>>>>>> “voucher” plan, suggesting that it borders on privatizing the

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You have the attributes all mucked up, I never posted a single word of
>>> any of that above, all you did was use my name.
>>>
>>> You want to allow the forcing of religious schools to follow government
>>> dictates on birth control and abortion but you don't want to allow a
>>> child to transfer to that religious school that you say you can control
>>> and regulate?
>>>
>>> That seems a bit strange that the religious schools can't be allowed to
>>> get government money to teach but they MUST follow the government's
>>> regulations, isn't that ignoring the government's own precedence showing
>>> that religious schools are already NOT religious entities at all if they
>>> can be forced to provide "birth control" to Sandra Fluck.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liberals have by their own actions, declared that religious schools are
>>> NON religious, because if they were part of a religion, they could NOT
>>> be forced to provide birth control.
>>>
>>>
>>> You see how Liberals always shoot themselves in the foot...
>>
>> Oh, they just can't keep up with their own lies they tell so many.
>>
>> -Eddie Haskell
>
>
> In this case they shot themselves in their Flocking foot..... or would
> that be Flooking Fuck or Flucking Fook?
>
> Poor Sandra Fluck will be like that crazy Liberal woman (Sheehan) that
> protested the war camped outside Bush's ranch in Texas. They used that
> poor woman and then when they could no longer hide her total insanity
> they cut her loose and no longer supported her, and that was after they
> used her for their own purposes and abused that mentally ill person.

<chuckle> Yeah, that's a kind way to put it.

> Now they have their hooks into Sandra Fluck and they'll destroy her too
> and then they'll abandon her also, it's the typical Democrat progression.

Her speech was the biggest barff bag moment of the convention. Railing
against a complete fiction while the sycophants fawned. Unreal.

-Eddie Haskell

RD Sandman

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Frank Galikanokus <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in

news:5057E9F2...@nospam.net:

> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

>>
>> On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>> > Eddie Haskell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com>

>> >> wrote in message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>> >>> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>> >>>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>> >>>>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus

>> >>>>>>> <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>> >>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>> >>>>>>>>> Paragraph
>> >>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>> >>>>>>>>

>> >>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago In the Times/CBS poll, more than

>> >>>>>>>>> three-quarters of voters favored keeping Medicare the way
>> >>>>>>>>> it is rather than switching to
>> >>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From
>> >>>>>>>>> the White House on down, Democrats are calling the
>> >>>>>>>>> Republican approach a ³voucher² plan, suggesting that it
>> >>>>>>>>> borders on privatizing the system;
>> >>>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >>>>>>> >

>> >>>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the
>> >>>>>>> > pockets of
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out
>> >>>>>> of Government schools.
>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing
>> >>>>> assertion????
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest

>> >>> among 11 major school districts – even when poor children are

>> >>> compared with other poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in
>> >>> the U.S. lack basic skills in math, but in Washington D.C., it's
>> >>> 62%.[82]"]
>> >>
>> >> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>> >>
>> >> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school
>> >> voucher program"
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>> >>
>> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >

>> > Great!
>> >
>> > Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private
>> > schools has bee defeated.
>> >
>> > JAM
>> >
>> What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Rumination*
>> #67 - The least government necessary is the best government possible.
>
>
> Because your choice is just a euphemism for diverting tax money from
> the public schools and into the religious and private schools.

Then put a limit on it....like if a private or religious school wishes to
accept public money in the form of vouchers, then they also accept all
who apply just like the public schools do. No more picking and choosing.
If they have a voucher.....they can go to your school.

--

Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,

And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.

Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

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Sure, and tie the dog carrier on roof of the 787 and enjoy the flight.....

Later dude

RD Sandman

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BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:5057EDC9...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

> On 9/17/2012 11:26 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:

>> JAM
>
> Private gives an education to 100% the other government school only
> educates 50%, that means the private and religious schools do what
> government can't do.... they educate students.

Excuse me, but private schools screen students. They are not open to
all. So that means that private and religious schools do what government
schools cannot......pick and choose their students. No class disrupters,
no marginal students, etc.

> Seems stupid to demand that half the kids get no education JUST to
> prevent them from getting a private education.... but if that's your
> Liberal stand, you just stick to it.

Do you think those private schools will accept anyone who has a voucher?

RD Sandman

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Frank Galikanokus <FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote in

news:5057EB55...@nospam.net:

> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>> On 9/17/2012 5:15 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:
>> > On Sep 17, 4:10 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <ggdg...@dgeri.com> wrote:
>> >> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>> >> wrote in messagenews:50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>> >>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>> >>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus
>> >>>> <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>> >>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>> >>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front Page,
>> >>>>>> Paragraph 8 - NYTimes.com
>> >>
>> >>>>>> 15 hours ago – In the Times/CBS poll, more than
>> >>>>>> three-quarters of voters favored keeping Medicare the way it
>> >>>>>> is rather than switching to a system like the one backed by
>> >>>>>> Romney and Mr. Ryan. From the White House on down, Democrats
>> >>>>>> are calling the Republican approach a “voucher” plan,
>> >>>>>> suggesting that it borders on privatizing the system;
>> >>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>> >>
>> >>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the
>> >>>> > pockets of
>> >>>> for
>> >>>>> profit insurance companies.
>> >>
>> >>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>> >>
>> >>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped out of
>> >>> Government schools.
>> >>

>> >>> What makes you think they can answer a poll correctly?
>> >>
>> >> The American public is horribly clueless and the poll was
>> >> conducted to confirm that.
>> >>
>> >> That's why they celebrate it.
>> >>
>> >> -Eddie Haskell
>> >
>> > there is little evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for
>> > the highest earners are associated with
>> > savings/investment/productivity growth:In fact the study found that
>> > higher tax rates for the wealthy are statistically associated with
>> > higher levels of growth
>>
>> You are clueless aren't you... tax and regulations will cut jobs and
>> JOBS have EVERYTHING to do with savings and investment and
>> productivity growth.
>>
>> It's over taxing is NOT sustainable growth it's a pretend high, a
>> sugar rush....
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Rumination*
>> #39 - Stupid is infinite, while genius is finite.
>
> Tax cuts are partially responsible for our deficit and there is no
> evidence that 10 years of tax cuts have created any jobs.
>

> Deregulation in 1999 and 2000 is the root cause of our economic
> problems.

No, it isn't. Deregulation problems came from acts passed bi-partisanly
from 1980 to 1999.

> Explain to me how tax cuts and deregulation will have a different
> outcome this time.

Hmmmmm, both the taxcuts and deregulation was put in place or kept in
place by both parties.

Gray Guest

> Think I'll go out to eat tonight. Too bad all restaurants serve the
> same thing.
>
> Feel embarrassed and humiliated yet?

Not by you other than the fact that we are the same species.

Eddie Haskell

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"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA0D2A08FEA9F7We...@88.198.244.100...

> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in
> news:f6ae8440-9cdd-
> 4db9-9a5a-a...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>>
>
> So when Medicatre goes bankrupt, what do you thimk is going to happen to
> the
> degenerate liars like you who kept telling us there was no problem.

Same thing that happened with the financial crisis. They'll cause it and
then get to gain politically from it thanks to the MSM. That's why they have
no incentive to do anything to avoid disasters.

-Eddie Haskell

linuxgal

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Gray Guest wrote:
> "find WMD yet Repubs?" <walter_...@post.com> wrote in news:f6ae8440-9cdd-
> 4db9-9a5a-a...@y12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>

> I've been studying native American torture techniques. Those good ole boys
> sure knew how to have a good time.
>

Apaches would pick over their captive's feet like leftover turkey. They
believed if they could get you to scream, you had to serve them in the
afterlife.

--
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java the thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking,
The shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

http://www.cleanposts.com

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"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

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Yes it is. Where I live you can send your kind to a prestigious high end
private school for gifted kids, or one that's for troubled kinds that can't
fit in to the public ones, and there would be even more varieties and
choices if vouchers were in play.

The way it is now you have choices if you have the money, and that's the way
democrats want to keep it. A good education for the rich and themselves but
no one else.

The NEA is like a Member of the UAW that wants foreign competition banned so
we will all be forced to drive $50,000 Pintos. That's public education in a
nutshell. A 50,000 dollar Pinto that democrats say will get better if it
costs more.

> You been living the US all your life? How did you
>> miss this obvious truism? Don't want to acknowledge it on behalf of
>> the DNC?
>
> Oh, fuck off.

Ooo.. getting testy. Obviously ashamed of your obvious error just like I
said.

> You have no idea of what my polical ideology is like.

So you claim to be a republican that doesn't understand free market
fundaments?

Not possible.

>> Think I'll go out to eat tonight. Too bad all restaurants serve the

>> same thing.
>>
>> Feel embarrassed and humiliated yet?
>
> Not by you other than the fact that we are the same species.

If you claim to be a republican I'm as ashamed of you as you are of yourself
right now.

-Eddie Haskell

Eddie Haskell

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"Alec Fraser" <G...@bass.gov> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Transition Zone" wrote in message
> news:9bd5c9bb-27c8-4980...@e14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Sep 17, 9:52 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the
>> UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers
>
> Wrong. "The nation with the highest test scores in the world is
> Finland."

That's because the people of Finland are Finnish.

> (thanks to the Finnish teachers union (OJA or Trade Union of
> Education in Finland))

Nope, in spite of the union because genetically the Finnish people tend to
be smarter than average.

Oh, and don't forget to argue that private schools do a better job of
educating because they start with better stock in the first place.

Feel stupid yet or should I continue?

-Eddie Haskell

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Forward on to Transition Zone.

My bad.

-Eddie Haskell

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BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
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> On 9/18/2012 3:37 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> news:5057EDC9...@blackhole.nebulax.com:
>>
>>> On 9/17/2012 11:26 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>>>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>>>>>> Eddie Haskell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>>>>>>> wrote in message news:50575A78...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2012 12:48 AM, Dakota wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 5:20 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <50562CF0...@blackhole.nebulax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> BeamMeUpScotty
>>>>>>>>>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/16/2012 3:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 1:09 pm, Frank Galikanokus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find WMD yet Repubs? wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Challenged on Medicare, G.O.P Loses Ground
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Jackie Calmes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The New York Times, Sunday, September 16, 2012, Front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Page, Paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 - NYTimes.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 hours ago In the Times/CBS poll, more than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three-quarters of voters favored keeping Medicare the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is rather than switching to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a system like the one backed by Romney and Mr. Ryan. From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the White House on down, Democrats are calling the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican approach a ³voucher² plan, suggesting that it

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borders on privatizing the system;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans prefer the term "premium support."
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > What ever you call it the plan puts tax money into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > pockets of
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit insurance companies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Originating from the elected official, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 50% of the people being polled already failed and dropped
>>>>>>>>>>> out of Government schools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm quite sure you can provide evidence for this amazing
>>>>>>>>>> assertion????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you do not, you will be admitting that you lied.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ["In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest

>>>>>>>> among 11 major school districts – even when poor children are

Which means you don't understand some of the reasons why.

>>> Seems stupid to demand that half the kids get no education JUST to
>>> prevent them from getting a private education.... but if that's
>>> your Liberal stand, you just stick to it.
>>
>> Do you think those private schools will accept anyone who has a
>> voucher?
>
> They will educate those they do accept and someone will open a school
> to accept the others, look at colleges you didn't get into Harvard so
> a community college or online college opened up just for you.

One doesn't go to Harvard on public vouchers either. Currently in this
country, colleges are elective schools not required ones. There are some
who would like to change that and have the public sector provide all
education from kindergarten to a bachelor's degree. I am not one of
them.

So my opinion is that private schools can remain as private schools if
they choose. No vouchers. They accept public money vouchers, then they
accept anyone who has one. No picking and choosing.

Guess what? That makes them a public school. Then we will see how well
they educate.

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GET YOUR ATTRIBUTIONS CORRECT, you retard!
I wrote NONE of the things BELOW!

DAMN I hate top posting, but in this case it was needed for you retards!

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"Eddie Haskell" <ggd...@dgeri.com> wrote in

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Wrong....we have been systematically de-regulating the housing and
financial industries since 1980. We killed off what was left of Glass
Steagal in 1999 with Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

> Here's where we could start with actual deregulation. Let banks once
> again determine who is credit worthy as opposed to stupid assed
> bureaucrats.

I agree with that. That is not less regulation, however, as certain
rules should still apply to prevent toxicity, it is just who makes that
decision on who the bank should lend to.

> "In what could be a repeat of the easy-lending cycle that led to the
> housing crisis, the Justice Department has asked several banks to
> relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for
> minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged
> discrimination, according to court documents reviewed by IBD."

Which was part of deregulation.

> "Prosecutions have already generated more than $20 million in loan
> set-asides and other subsidies from banks that have settled out of
> court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded
> racist. An additional 60 banks are under investigation, a DOJ
> spokeswoman says."
>
> Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income
> blacks and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public
> assistance" as valid income in mortgage applications.
>
> http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/2200

Most of the crisis was due to bi-partisan deregulation and directives
regarding monies in Fannie and Freddie. Additionally, you had greed on
the part of buyers, real estate, finance and government directives.
Suddenly, someone who earned $60K a year was told he could afford that
$350K home in the suburbs with an ARM. Nobody told him what happened
when that interest rate rose.

RD Sandman

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"Eddie Haskell" <ggd...@dgeri.com> wrote in

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No, I don't claim to be a republican. Never have. And, yes, I do
understand free market fundamentals. However, I don't have a partisan eye
in that view.

> Not possible.
>
>>> Think I'll go out to eat tonight. Too bad all restaurants serve the
>
>>> same thing.
>>>
>>> Feel embarrassed and humiliated yet?
>>
>> Not by you other than the fact that we are the same species.
>
> If you claim to be a republican I'm as ashamed of you as you are of
> yourself right now.

Where have I claimed to be a republican? Species does NOT equal
political affiliation.

Eddie Haskell

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Whew.. Good. Don't.

> And, yes, I do
> understand free market fundamentals. However, I don't have a partisan eye
> in that view.

If you understand free market fundamentals then why didn't you understand
that with vouchers in play different kinds of schools would rise up to meet
various needs just like with every other aspect of the free market until I
explained it to you?

>> Not possible.
>>
>>>> Think I'll go out to eat tonight. Too bad all restaurants serve the
>>
>>>> same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Feel embarrassed and humiliated yet?
>>>
>>> Not by you other than the fact that we are the same species.
>>
>> If you claim to be a republican I'm as ashamed of you as you are of
>> yourself right now.
>
> Where have I claimed to be a republican? Species does NOT equal
> political affiliation.

You shit in your pants and ran from the idea that you're a democrat. What
are you, one of those dreaded fence riding independents that put Hussein
over the top last go round?

-Eddie Haskell

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On Sep 18, 12:36 pm, "Alec Fraser" <G...@bass.gov> wrote:
> "Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
>
> news:8cd14b03-187a-4808...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>
> On Sep 18, 12:12 pm, "Alec Fraser" <G...@bass.gov> wrote:
>
>
>

> > "Transition Zone" wrote in message
>
> >news:9bd5c9bb-27c8-4980...@e14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 17, 9:52 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
>
> > <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
> > > NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the
> > > UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers
>
> > Wrong. "The nation with the highest test scores in the world is

> > Finland." (thanks to the Finnish teachers union (OJA or Trade Union of
> > Education in Finland))
>

> > >^^^^
>
> > And you're not moving there immediately because....?
>
> there are to many conservative/libertarian/fascist morons clogging up
> the ticket aisles, buying one way tickets to somalia:))))))
>
> >^^^^^
>
> Oh yeah! That's the vacation spot of the world! ;\
> Then, they buy a used yacht there cheap, get pirated again.... perfect
> circle of events!
>
> Where DO I sign up?

a rugged individual would not need any outside help on how to get to
a conservative paradise.

Eddie Haskell

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>
>
>
> > On 9/17/2012 6:29 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:

> >>>> major school districts – even when poor children are compared with

> >>>> other
> >>>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic skills
> >>>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>
> >>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>
> >>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
> >>> program"
>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>
> >>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> >> Great!
>
> >> Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
> >> has bee defeated.
>

> >> JAM
>
> > What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?
>

> Because it's not the choice that they want anyone to make. Educated people
> don't vote democrat and what of the NEA that pours millions of tax payer
> dollars into their campaigns?
>
> Control. Control. Control. Dear god they might learn history or economics.
> Then where would the democrats be? Control. Control. Control.
>
> Goddamn America.
>
> -Eddie Haskell

gee duh, whoda ever thunk:conservatism has been linked to low
i.q.'s:)))Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially
conservative ideologies the study found:Those ideologies in turn
stress hierarchy/resistance to change attitudes that can contribute to
prejudice

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
By Stephanie Pappas | LiveScience.com – 3 hrs ago

• 20 photos - Wed, Jan 25, 2012
See latest photos »
There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and
prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound
to stir public controversy.
The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely
to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a
vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a
psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults
tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study
found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to
change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an
email to LiveScience.
"Prejudice is extremely complex and multifaceted, making it critical
that any factors contributing to bias are uncovered and understood,"
he said.
Controversy ahead
The findings combine three hot-button topics.
"They've pulled off the trifecta of controversial topics," said Brian
Nosek, a social and cognitive psychologist at the University of
Virginia who was not involved in the study. "When one selects
intelligence, political ideology and racism and looks at any of the
relationships between those three variables, it's bound to upset
somebody."
Polling data and social and political science research do show that
prejudice is more common in those who hold right-wing ideals that
those of other political persuasions, Nosek told LiveScience. [7
Thoughts That Are Bad For You]
"The unique contribution here is trying to make some progress on the
most challenging aspect of this," Nosek said, referring to the new
study. "It's not that a relationship like that exists, but why it
exists."
Brains and bias
Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and
higher levels of prejudice, Hodson said, so studying intelligence
seemed a logical next step. The researchers turned to two studies of
citizens in the United Kingdom, one that has followed babies since
their births in March 1958, and another that did the same for babies
born in April 1970. The children in the studies had their intelligence
assessed at age 10 or 11; as adults ages 30 or 33, their levels of
social conservatism and racism were measured. [Life's Extremes:
Democrat vs. Republican]
In the first study, verbal and nonverbal intelligence was measured
using tests that asked people to find similarities and differences
between words, shapes and symbols. The second study measured cognitive
abilities in four ways, including number recall, shape-drawing tasks,
defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words.
Average IQ is set at 100.
Social conservatives were defined as people who agreed with a laundry
list of statements such as "Family life suffers if mum is working full-
time," and "Schools should teach children to obey authority."
Attitudes toward other races were captured by measuring agreement with
statements such as "I wouldn't mind working with people from other
races." (These questions measured overt prejudiced attitudes, but most
people, no matter how egalitarian, do hold unconscious racial biases;
Hodson's work can't speak to this "underground" racism.)
As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism
in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between
these two variables was political: When researchers included social
conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of
the link between brains and bias.
People with lower cognitive abilities also had less contact with
people of other races.
"This finding is consistent with recent research demonstrating that
intergroup contact is mentally challenging and cognitively draining,
and consistent with findings that contact reduces prejudice," said
Hodson, who along with his colleagues published these results online
Jan. 5 in the journal Psychological Science.
A study of averages
Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low
intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying
that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The
research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.
"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-
bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives
and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.
Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the
findings too literally.
"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he
said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a
random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of
overlap."
Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing
ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the
complexity of the world.
"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order,"
Hodson said, explaining why these beliefs might draw those with low
intelligence. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also
contribute to prejudice."
In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri
compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different
levels of ability in abstract reasoning. They found that what applies
to racism may also apply to homophobia. People who were poorer at
abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays.
As in the U.K. citizens, a lack of contact with gays and more
acceptance of right-wing authoritarianism explained the link. [5 Myths
About Gay People Debunked]
Simple viewpoints
Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable,
Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't
conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later
prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise
identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those
sorts of studies obviously aren't possible.
The researchers controlled for factors such as education and
socioeconomic status, making their case stronger, Nosek said. But
there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example,
Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve
views like "every kid is a genius in his or her own way," might find
that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other
words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to
stupidity, but extremist views in general.
"My speculation is that it's not as simple as their model presents
it," Nosek said. "I think that lower cognitive capacity can lead to
multiple simple ways to represent the world, and one of those can be
embodied in a right-wing ideology where 'People I don't know are
threats' and 'The world is a dangerous place'. ... Another simple way
would be to just assume everybody is wonderful."
Prejudice is of particular interest because understanding the roots of
racism and bias could help eliminate them, Hodson said. For example,
he said, many anti-prejudice programs encourage participants to see
things from another group's point of view. That mental exercise may be
too taxing for people of low IQ.
"There may be cognitive limits in the ability to take the perspective
of others, particularly foreigners," Hodson said. "Much of the present
research literature suggests that our prejudices are primarily
emotional in origin rather than cognitive. These two pieces of
information suggest that it might be particularly fruitful for
researchers to consider strategies to change feelings toward
outgroups," rather than thoughts.
You can follow LiveScience senior writer Stephanie Pappas on Twitter
@sipappas. Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and
discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

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On Sep 18, 12:42 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <ggdg...@dgeri.com> wrote:
> "Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>

> news:5057E9F2...@nospam.net...

> >> >>> major school districts - even when poor children are compared with

> >> >>> other
> >> >>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic
> >> >>> skills
> >> >>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>
> >> >> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>
> >> >> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
> >> >> program"
>
> >> >>http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>
> >> >> -Eddie Haskell
>
> >> > Great!
>
> >> > Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
> >> > has bee defeated.
>
> >> > JAM
>
> >> What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?
>

> >> --
>
> >> *Rumination*
> >> #67 - The least government necessary is the best government possible.
>
> > Because your choice is just a euphemism for diverting tax money from the
> > public schools and into the religious and private schools.
>

> So fucking what, you goddamn intolerant control freak? Oh, look. There's
> little Johnny. Go fuck him out of an education in service of your corrupt
> DNC masters.
>
> We'll never make progress with these fucking "progressives" in this country,
> folks.
>
> -Eddie Haskell

its so easy to fool a conservative:after all, conservatism is a form
of mental illness:)a 2007 selective exposure study found Republicans
overwhelmingly chose to read fake articles labeled with the Fox News
logo:but chose a story running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10
percent  of the time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-mooney/want-to-understand-republ_...
Chris Mooney  Author, 'The Republican War on Science' and 'The
Republican Brain'
Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution  Posted:
02/ 8/2012 10:26 am
Earlier this week, yesterday's Republican primary champ Rick Santorum
called global warming a "hoax." Yes, a hoax. In other words,
apparently scientists are in a global cabal to needlessly alarm us
about what's happening with the climate -- and why would they do such
a thing?  Well, presumably to help advance an economy-choking agenda
of global  governance -- or perhaps, to line their own pockets with
government  research grants. Seriously.  Santorum's absurd global
warming conspiracy theory is the kind of  thing that absolutely
outrages liberals -- but to my mind, they really  ought to be getting
used to it by now. From global warming denial to  claims about "death
panels" to baseless fears about inflation, it  often seems there are
so many factually wrong claims on the political  right that those who
make them live in a different reality.  So here's an idea: Maybe they
actually do. And maybe we can look to  science itself -- albeit,
ironically, a body of science whose  fundamental premise (the theory
of evolution) most Republicans deny  -- to help understand why it is
that they view the world so  differently.  In my last piece here, I
commented on the growing body of research  suggesting that the
difference between liberals and conservatives is  not merely
ideological in nature. Rather, it seems more deeply rooted  in
psychology and the brain -- with ideology itself emerging as a kind
of by-product of fundamentally different patterns of perceiving and
responding to the world that spill over into many aspects of life,
not  just the political.  To back this up, I listed seven published
studies showing a consistent  set of physiological, brain, and
"attentional" differences between  liberals and conservatives. Later
on my blog, I listed no less than  eleven studies showing genetic
differences as well.  Last month, yet another scientific paper on this
subject came out --  from the National Science Foundation-supported
political physiology  laboratory at the University of Nebraska-
Lincoln. The work, published  in Philosophical Transactions of the
Royal Society B (free version  here), goes further still in helping us
understand how biological and  physiological differences between
liberals and conservatives may lead  to very different patterns of
political behavior.  As the new research suggests, conservatism is
largely a defensive  ideology -- and therefore, much more appealing to
people who go  through life sensitive and highly attuned to aversive
or threatening  aspects of their environments. By contrast, liberalism
can be thought  of as an exploratory ideology -- much more appealing
to people who go  through life trying things out and seeking the new.
All of this is reflected, in a measurable way, in the physiological
responses that liberals and conservatives show to emotionally
evocative but otherwise entirely apolitical images -- and also to
images of politicians, either on their own side or from across the
aisle.  To show as much, the Nebraska-Lincoln researchers had liberals
and  conservatives look at varying combinations of images that were
meant  to excite different emotions. There were images that caused
fear and  disgust -- a spider crawling on a person's face, maggots in
an open  wound -- but also images that made you feel happy: a smiling
child, a  bunny rabbit. The researchers also mixed in images of
liberal and  conservative politicians -- Bill and Hillary Clinton,
Ronald Reagan  and George W. Bush.  While they did all of this, the
scientists measured the subjects'  "skin conductance" -- the
moistening of their sweat glands, an  indication of sympathetic
nervous system arousal -- as well as where  their eyes went first and
how long they stayed there.  The difference was striking:
Conservatives showed much stronger skin  responses to negative images,
compared with the positive ones.  Liberals showed the opposite. And
when the scientists turned to  studying eye gaze or "attentional"
patterns, they found that  conservatives looked much more quickly at
negative or threatening  images, and spent more time fixating on them.
Liberals, in contrast,  were less quickly drawn to negative images --
and spent more time  looking at positive ones.  Similar things have
been found before -- but the big breakthrough in  the new study was
showing that these tendencies carried over perfectly  to the different
sides' responses to images of politicians.  Conservatives had stronger
rapid fire physiological responses to  images of Bill and Hillary
Clinton -- apparently perceiving them much  as they perceive a threat.
By contrast, liberals showed stronger  responses to the same two
politicians, apparently perceiving them much  as they perceive an
appetitive or positive stimulus.  As the authors concluded, "The
aversive in life is more  physiologically and cognitively tangible to
some people and they tend  to gravitate to the political right."  What
does this mean?  To my mind, it means it is high time to grapple with
a fact that we  like to conveniently ignore: the left and the right
are deeply  asymmetrical actors in our politics. If we could
acknowledge this, it  might explain an awful lot.  For instance,
consider a few observations that seem to take on new  resonance in
light of the latest research:  The Tea Party hates President Obama
much more intensely than liberals  love him. Or to state things less
judgmentally, there is an "intensity  gap," as the Pew Research Center
puts it, between the right's  political base and that of the left.  As
of last May, for instance, 84 percent of staunch conservatives
strongly disapproved of Obama's job performance, but only 64 percent
of solid liberals approved of it. Meanwhile, 70 percent of staunch
conservatives viewed Obama very unfavorably, but only 45 percent of
solid liberals had very favorable views of him.  What's going on here?
To conservatives, the new research implies,  President Obama may
literally be an aversive and threatening stimuli  (or, perhaps, a
disgust-evoking one). They fixate on him, and respond  to him,
physiologically, in a defensive fashion.  For liberals, in contrast,
Obama was surely once very appealing,  perhaps circa 2008, and excited
positive and appetitive emotions. But  they've since grown bored or
disillusioned with him and gone on to  sample many other things in the
environment -- like Occupy Wall Street  -- always exploring and
searching for the new. (All of which,  incidentally, may translate
into a very serious electoral disadvantage  this fall.)  Conservatives
opt for Fox News much more strongly than liberals opt  for any single
outlet. In a 2007 "selective exposure" study by  Stanford researcher
Shanto Iyengar, it was found Republicans  overwhelmingly chose to read
fake articles labeled with the "Fox News"  logo, but chose a story
running under a CNN or NPR logo just 10  percent of the time. By
contrast, Democrats in the study didn't like  Fox, but also didn't
show a strong affinity for a particular  alternative news source --
they seemed to sample information sources  more widely.  What's going
on here? One possibility is that in a political  environment filled
with perceived threats, Fox helps conservatives  feel secure by giving
them ideologically consistent and reassuring  information.
Alternatively, perhaps Fox's constant negative framing of  liberals,
and of other news sources, appeals to or even excites  conservatives,
whipping them up for political battle.  Either way, liberals just
don't seem to need an outlet like Fox.  Again, they're busy chasing
after the new and different -- out  exploring, rather than hunkering
down.  The big question lying behind all this, of course, is why some
people  would have stronger and quicker responses than others to that
which is  perceived as negative and threatening (and disgusting). Or
alternatively, why some people -- liberals -- would be less threat
aversive than others. For as the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
researchers note: "given the compelling evolutionary logic for
organisms to be overly sensitive to aversive stimuli, it may be that
those on the political left are more out of step with adaptive
behaviors."  And thus are we drawn to the only context in which we can
make any  sense of any of this -- the understanding that we human
primates  evolved. As such, these rapid-fire responses to aversive
stimuli are  something we share with other animals -- a core part of
our life-  saving biological wiring.  And apparently, they differ in
strength and intensity from person to  person -- in turn triggering
political differences in modern  democracies. Who knew?  For now, I'll
leave it to others to speculate on the root causes of  these
differences. But whatever those may be, the perceptual gap  between
left and right certainly seems less than "adaptive" at the  present
moment. It may be the fault of biology that we're now  misfiring so
very badly -- clashing in ways that, as with the debt  ceiling fiasco,
could have gravely harmed everybody in America,  regardless of their
particular ideology.  The Nebraska-Lincoln scientists interpret their
results as a powerful  argument in favor of greater political
tolerance and understanding --  and I agree with them. Politics isn't
war, and it isn't zero sum. It  requires negotiation and compromise.
Surely our public debates should  be guided by something more than
threat responses and fight-or-flight.  So how do we get beyond our
political biology? Well, the implication  for liberals seems obvious:
If they want to fare better politically,  they need to learn to go
against their instincts and stay focused and  committed.  And the
lesson for conservatives? Well, here it is tougher. You see,  first
we'd have to get them to accept something they often view as  aversive
and threatening: The theory of evolution.

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>
>
> > On 9/17/2012 11:26 PM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:

> >>>>>> major school districts – even when poor children are compared with

> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic
> >>>>>> skills
> >>>>>> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>
> >>>>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>
> >>>>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
> >>>>> program"
>
> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>
> >>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> >>>> Great!
>
> >>>> Another attempt to funnel tax money into religious and private schools
> >>>> has bee defeated.
>
> >>>> JAM
>
> >>> What happened to CHANGE and why don't you Libs support CHOICE?
>
> >>> --
>
> >>> *Rumination*
> >>> #67 - The least government necessary is the best government possible.
>
> >> Because your choice is just a euphemism for diverting tax money from the
> >> public schools and into the religious and private schools.
>

> >> JAM
>
> > Private gives an education to 100% the other government school only
> > educates 50%, that means the private and religious schools do what
> > government can't do.... they educate students.
>

> > Seems stupid to demand that half the kids get no education JUST to
> > prevent them from getting a private education.... but if that's your
> > Liberal stand, you just stick to it.
>

> > I always say do what you're good at, and you seem to be real good at
> > putting stupid on parade.
>
> Private schools do a better job of educating and at a lower cost. We could
> spend less money, and better educate kids, but that would put education out
> the control of control freak fascist assed democrats who in no way believe
> in freedom.
>
> If we don't find a way to stomp the intolerant fascist bastards into the
> ground the country is finished.
>
> -Eddie Haskell

for profit schools are robbing students, and leaving them deep in debt
with a poor education:For-profit colleges leave students with high
debt and inadequate educations that can harm them for years after they
graduate or quit school

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=alWHiKDOGENs

For-Profit Colleges Seeking Loans ‘Rob’ Students, Testimony Says

By John Lauerman
Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- For-profit colleges leave students with high
debt and inadequate educations that can harm them for years after they
graduate or quit school, witnesses are scheduled to testify today at a
Senate hearing in Washington.
Recruiters enticed Danielle Johnson, a mother from Iowa, to enroll in
Washington Post Co.’s Kaplan education unit, saying she could train at
home to be a nurse, a claim that turned out to be untrue, she said in
testimony prepared for today’s Senate Health, Education, Labor &
Pensions Committee hearing. Kaplan refused to release her transcripts,
preventing her from transferring into a cheaper community college, she
said.
While working students must have access to programs that fit their
schedules and training requirements, they also need protection from
the predatory recruiting programs and lending fraud uncovered by a
government probe of education companies, said Arnold Mitchem,
president of the Council for Opportunity in Education, in prepared
comments for the hearing.
“Access is critical, but access to what?” Mitchem said in the prepared
testimony. “Mountains of debt?”
For-profit colleges represent about 12 percent of U.S. college
students, according to the Association of Private Sector Colleges and
Universities, a Washington-based industry group formerly called the
Career College Association. Those students account for about a quarter
of U.S. student loan dollars, said Lauren Asher, president of the
Institute for College Access and Success, an advocacy group based in
Oakland, California, in comments prepared for the hearing.
‘Severe’ Consequences
About 43 percent of all former students who defaulted by 2010 on loans
they began paying off in 2008 were from for-profit colleges, Asher
said. The consequences of those defaults are “severe and long-
lasting,” she said in her remarks.
“You will likely be hounded by collectors, and your debt will increase
significantly because of default and collection fees,” Asher said in
her prepared comments. “You cannot get federal grants or loans to
return to school, and the debt can follow you until you die. There is
no statute of limitations, and the government can garnish your wages,
seize your tax refunds, and eventually take a slice of your Social
Security check.”
For-profit colleges have helped improve the lives of many students who
earlier failed at traditional, nonprofit universities, said Harris
Miller, president and chief executive officer of the for-profit
colleges’ trade group.
‘Anecdote Game’
“We can all play the anecdote game,” Miller said in a telephone
interview before the hearing began. “We have plenty of students who
would be glad to tell the committee how our schools have turned their
lives around.”
About 1,500 students, teachers and administrators rallied in front of
the U.S. Capitol building yesterday to oppose proposed industry
regulations that would force for-profit colleges to show that
graduates are repaying their loans and make enough to afford
repayment.
“All State does a great job of preparing you to present yourself for a
job,” said Sarah Martin, 22, a student at All State Career School in
Baltimore who rode to Washington on one of six buses the college sent
to the rally.
“It’s up to you to take advantage of the situation,” Martin said.
For-profit colleges have come under fire since a government report
released Aug. 4 found that recruiters at 15 colleges misled students
to boost enrollment. Senator Tom Harkin, the Iowa Democrat who heads
the education committee, said he plans to hold another hearing the
first week in December. Harkin said he will release information at
today’s hearing collected from education companies.
No Degree
“The companies get the profits, and the students get the debt,” Harkin
said in a telephone interview before the hearing. “And many times they
don’t even get a degree.”
Deceptive marketing has hurt low-income, minority students across the
U.S., Mitchem said in his prepared testimony. Mitchem’s group
submitted a list of stories from students who said they had been
misled by recruiters and administrators.
D’angelo Walker, a former student at Hoffman Estates, Illinois-based
Career Education Corp.’s Sanford-Brown College whose story was
included in the submission, said his degree failed to help him get a
job, and other colleges won’t accept the credits he earned.
Starting Over
“I feel like I’ve been robbed,” Walker said in the testimony. “Every
school is telling me that I will have to start over.”
Almost half of the students at for-profit colleges are minorities and
about two-thirds of the schools’ students have incomes below the
median for all undergraduates, Asher said. These students are three
times as likely to borrow to pay for their education as those
attending nonprofit colleges, Asher said.
“The data clearly show that across levels of income and categories of
race/ethnicity, for-profit college students borrow more than those who
attend elsewhere,” she said in her testimony.
Kathleen A. Bittel, who works in Education Management Corp.’s Art
Institute of Pittsburgh online division, also is scheduled to testify
at the hearing. The company assembled deceptive career-placement data
by counting entry-level jobs at Toys “R” Us, Starbucks and a
convenience store as related to students’ degrees, Bittel said in a
letter to Congress obtained by Bloomberg News. The company
investigated Bittel’s claims and determined they were unfounded,
Education Management said yesterday in a statement.
Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in August that he will beef up
his department’s enforcement arm to help stamp out predatory
recruitment practices. The Education Department is preparing to
publish rules that strengthen sanctions for recruiters who mislead
applicants, and require for-profit colleges to tell students how many
students graduate and get placed in jobs.
To contact the reporter on this story: John Lauerman in Boston at
jlau...@bloomberg.net.
To contact the editors responsible for this story: Jonathan Kaufman at
jkauf...@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: September 30, 2010 10:00 EDT

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> "Frank Galikanokus" <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> >> >> major school districts - even when poor children are compared with

> >> >> other
> >> >> poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in the U.S. lack basic
> >> >> skills
> >> >> in math, but in Washington D.C., it's 62%.[82]"]
>
> >> > And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>
> >> > "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school voucher
> >> > program"
>
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>
> >> > -Eddie Haskell
>

> >> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by the

> >> UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers so that 50% of the kids can learn to
> >> read and write.
>
> > If we spent more on our schools
>
> We've done that for decades and it just keeps getting worse. What we need is
> some competition in education as opposed to a fucking government monopoly.
> You sure must have gone to a public school because if you think that more
> money is the answer you are first class stupid.
>
> See what I mean, folks? He supports democrats because he's stupid, just like
> democrat want him to be.
>
> Oh, and stupid, when a democrat says "more money for education" he means
> more money for teacher's unions reciprocated by returning much of that money
> into democrat coffers and it's corrupt as hell and destroying education. Why
> do you support that? Oh, that's right, the democrats gave you the religious
> excuse for you to parrot like an idiot, and never mind that it doesn't even
> have to include religious schools. You damn toady obstacle to vastly
> improving education in this country..
>
> -Eddie Haskell
>
> > and less on killing tens of thousands of
> > innocent people we could see and improvement in these numbers.
>
> > JAM
>
> > BTW government = you and me

Three in four American parents (76%) are satisfied with the education
their children receive in school, The percentage of parents who say
they are completely or somewhat satisfied with their own child's
education has averaged 77% since 1999

if you are the least bit intellectually curious, click on the link
for the graphs.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122432/parents-rate-schools-higher-americans-overall.aspx

August 24, 2009
Parents Rate Schools Much Higher Than Do Americans Overall
Little change in recent years
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- Three in four American parents (76%) are satisfied
with the education their children receive in school, compared to 45%
of the general public who are satisfied with the state of schools
nationwide. These findings from Gallup's annual Work and Education
survey are almost identical to what Gallup found last year, and have
not changed materially since 2003.

Gallup began asking about satisfaction with schools in this fashion in
1999, and since then, the percentage of Americans satisfied with the
U.S. education system has ranged from a low of 36% in 2000 to a high
of 53% in 2004. The average satisfaction level has been 46% -- quite
close to this year's reading of 45%. There has been little change in
this measure over the last five years; it has ranged only between 44%
and 46%.
It is not unusual to find that Americans rate aspects of society more
negatively at the national level than they do at the local level.
Education is a prime example of this phenomenon. The percentage of
parents who say they are completely or somewhat satisfied with their
own child's education has averaged 77% since 1999, 31 points higher
than the average satisfaction rating all Americans give to U.S. K-12
education.
As has generally been the case over the last 10 years, the subset of
parents who have children in public schools is little different from
the overall sample of parents in terms of satisfaction with their
children's education.

The vast majority of K-12 children in America today attend public
schools, although this has dipped slightly in recent years.

For the second year in a row, the proportion of schoolchildren who
attend public schools, as measured by Gallup, is lower than the
average for the years prior to 2008. In both 2008 and 2009, 81% of
parents said their oldest child was in public school. The percentage
was also low in 2006, but otherwise has consistently been at least 85%
every year since 1999.
This year, 12% of parents say their child is going to private school,
with another 3% saying their child is in parochial school.
The percentage of American parents who say their oldest K-12 child is
being home-schooled has been very low since Gallup first measured home
schooling in 1999. This year's 2% is exactly where it has been since
2004. Less than 1% of parents indicated that their child was home-
schooled when Gallup first measured home schooling in 1999.
Bottom Line
Gallup's trends on satisfaction with education -- both nationally and
among parents -- have been fairly steady over the last decade. There
had been a decline in parents' satisfaction with their children's
education between 2000 and 2002, with a move back up after that point.
The current level of parental satisfaction, however, remains slightly
below the 83% recorded in 1999. There was a low point in 2000 for the
general public's satisfaction with the education of children in the
U.S.; this may have reflected the emphasis on problems with schools
that was part of George W. Bush's campaign for the presidency that
year. After a slight uptick in satisfaction in 2004, recent years have
seen a very steady trend line on this measure. Still, as is the case
for parents' satisfaction, overall satisfaction with schools in this
country is no higher now than it was before the 2002 enactment of the
sweeping No Child Left Behind legislation.
Survey Methods
Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,010 national adults,
aged 18 and older, conducted Aug. 6-9, 2009. For results based on the
total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that
the margin of error is ±4 percentage points.
For results based on the sample of 233 parents with children in
kindergarten through grade 12, the maximum margin of sampling error is
±8 percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for
respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for
respondents who are cell-phone only).
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical
difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into
the findings of public opinion polls.
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> >>>>>> among 11 major school districts – even when poor children are

> >>>>>> compared with other poor children. 33% of poor fourth graders in
> >>>>>> the U.S. lack basic skills in math, but in Washington D.C., it's
> >>>>>> 62%.[82]"]
>
> >>>>> And that's EXACTLY the way democrats want it.
>
> >>>>> "It's official: Obama and the Democrats kill the D.C. school
> >>>>> voucher program"
>
> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/y9dkbrp
>
> >>>>> -Eddie Haskell
>
> >>>> NO HOPE or CHANGE for the government schools that are 100% run by
> >>>> the UNIONS and funded 100% by taxpayers so that 50% of the kids can
> >>>> learn to read and write.
>

> >>> If we spent more on our schools and less on killing tens of thousands

> >>> of innocent people we could see and improvement in these numbers.
>
> >>> JAM
>
> >>> BTW government = you and me
>

> >> If it costs more than the children will ever earn in their life to
> >> educate them, it's an exercise in futility, we are working backwards
> >> not forward.....
>
> > What is your alternative - close all public schools?
>
> Allow school choice and they would close themselves due to lack of
> attendance. Then the building could be used by a private school, but then
> where would the democrat's corrupt little money laundering scheme be?
>
> -Eddie Haskell

private sector school rocked by embezzlement scandal, The woman who
ran a local Catholic private school for 12 years is accused of
stealing donations after she allegedly confessed the act in a letter

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S336264.shtml?cat=206

Former Mpls. principal accused of embezzlement

The woman who ran a local Catholic private school for 12 years is
accused of stealing donations after she allegedly confessed the act in
a letter.
School administrators at St. Elizabeth Seton Elementary School on
Fremont Ave. in North Minneapolis said the ex-principal admitted to
embezzling money by stealing donations.
"It's been assigned to our forgery unit, and it's going to be
investigated and looked into and see if there's any merit to this,"
said Minneapolis Police Sgt. Jesse Garcia.
The school has put new safeguards into effect to keep it from
happening again.
The principal voluntarily retired in June and the school president
began reviewing financial records and found questionable transfers
from school accounts.
In all, an independent audit found up to $100,000 missing. In a note
to parishioners sent Friday, President Mona Faulkner wrote that the
principal admitted the embezzlement in a letter to the Board of
Directors.
"It's always painful when somebody acts inappropriately and so it's a
painful situation for all of us," Faulkner said.
A spokesman for the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis told 5
EYEWITNESS NEWS that while the theft was ‘harmful,’ insurance should
help reduce the chance that programs or positions would be affected.
5 EYEWITNESS NEWS could not reach the former principal for comment and
the school would not release her letter in which administrators said
she includes her confession.
She has not been arrested nor charged.  St. Elizabeth Seton school
receives financial support from five North Minneapolis parishes: St.
Anne/St. Joseph Hien, St. Austin, St. Bridget, Our Lady of Victory,
and St. Margaret Mary. The school is run independent of the parishes,
part of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis school system.

Pregnant teen can't hide affair with her pastor much longer

http://www.twincities.com//ci_8142603

Pregnant teen can't hide affair with her pastor much longer
ABIGAIL VAN BUREN
Article Last Updated: 02/01/2008 06:02:19 PM CST

Dear Abby: I have a big problem. I am 16 years old, have a good job
and do well in school. I go to a Christian non-denominational church
every Sunday and enjoy that, too.
The problem is my pastor. "Reverend Ron" is 48, married and has
children and grandchildren. We have become attracted to each other and
have secretly become a couple since last fall.
Every Monday night, after I get off work, I go over to my church and
meet Reverend Ron in his office where we have sex. We agreed to tell
no one, so as not to shame ourselves or our families.
Six weeks ago, I found out I was pregnant. I haven't told him yet, and
we continue with our Monday night meetings. Abortion is not an option,
but neither is shaming my family, much less the whole church. Abby,
what do I do?
- In True Love in Washington
Dear In True Love: The first thing you must do is tell your mother
what you have told me. If there is any "shaming," it should not be
directed at you, your family or your church. You are 16, idealistic
and inexperienced. "Reverend Ron," however, is an adult who has abused
his "sacred" trust to you, his congregation and his God. He had so
little concern for your welfare that he didn't even use birth control.
This is not how grown men show "true love."
You cannot hide this secret forever. At some point, the truth will be
revealed. Tell your mother now, so responsible adults who love you can
give you the support you so desperately need. If you're afraid to
speak to your mother alone, then have a friend with you when you do
it.