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Mitchell Holman
Oct 19, 2012, 9:31:48 AM10/19/12
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32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
today.
The growth in the number of religiously unaffiliated Americans
- sometimes called the rise of the "nones" -- is largely driven
by generational replacement, the gradual supplanting of older
generations by newer ones. A third (32%) of adults under 30
have no religious affiliation, compared with just one-in-ten
who are 65 and older (9%).
Young adults today are much more likely to be unaffiliated
than previous generations were at a similar stage in their
lives. These generational differences are consistent with
other signs of a gradual softening of religious commitment
among some (though by no means all) Americans in recent
decades.
Pew Research Center surveys conducted over the last 10 years,
for example, find modest growth in the number of people who
say they seldom or never attend religious services, as well
as a declining number who say they never doubt the existence
of God. Read more
http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=1608
duke
Oct 19, 2012, 12:15:41 PM10/19/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
Blame their parents.
>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>today.
The dukester, American - American
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Patrick
Oct 19, 2012, 12:32:11 PM10/19/12
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"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> today.
So what?
> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> today.
Mitchell Holman
Oct 19, 2012, 3:15:17 PM10/19/12
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"Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote in news:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
Your religion is dying, get used to it.
State of Christian churches: Where are the young people?
07 DECEMBER 2011
In a Sept. 28 article published by the Barna Group,
“Six Reasons Young Christians Leave Church,” Barna, a
nationally respected non-profit research organization
dedicated to spiritual development, outlines six reasons
why young people stay away from churches:
• Churches seem overprotective: While many churches try
to convince members to reject or avoid “worldly” influences,
today’s young people are more connected to culture, media
and concerns of the world than ever.
• Their experience of Christianity is shallow: Young
people respond in surveys that they find church “boring,”
“not relevant to career or interests” and “God seems
missing from my experience of church.”
• Churches seem antagonistic to science: In general,
churches they perceive as opposed to science and reason
turn off young people.
• What churches teach about sexuality is all too often
simplistic and judgmental: Research suggests that self-
identified Christian young people are as sexually active
as non-Christians. They find that what many churches
preach regarding this important aspect of life is based
on fear and prejudice.
• Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
Whether it is the homogeneity of a congregation’s ethnicity
and social class or the doctrines of exclusive salvation
offered by certain churches, today’s young person values
tolerance, open-mindedness and acceptance more than ever.
• Churches don’t encourage or allow doubts: At a time in
personal development when young people question everything,
churches that “have all the answers” are often described
as trivial and intolerant.
In the Barna survey, 36 percent of respondents suggested
that they are not able to “ask my most pressing life
questions in church.”
To put it bluntly, more and more North Americans don’t
find religious institutional life relevant to their
spirituality. That’s across the board: liberal, conservative,
progressive, evangelical and orthodox.
Seminaries of all persuasions have recorded successive
years of decline in their enrollments. One could conclude
that it’s not that North Americans aren’t spiritual, it’s
that they don’t find church life necessary for their
spirituality.
http://tinyurl.com/7pec64c
State of Christian churches: Where are the young people?
07 DECEMBER 2011
In a Sept. 28 article published by the Barna Group,
“Six Reasons Young Christians Leave Church,” Barna, a
nationally respected non-profit research organization
dedicated to spiritual development, outlines six reasons
why young people stay away from churches:
• Churches seem overprotective: While many churches try
to convince members to reject or avoid “worldly” influences,
today’s young people are more connected to culture, media
and concerns of the world than ever.
• Their experience of Christianity is shallow: Young
people respond in surveys that they find church “boring,”
“not relevant to career or interests” and “God seems
missing from my experience of church.”
• Churches seem antagonistic to science: In general,
churches they perceive as opposed to science and reason
turn off young people.
• What churches teach about sexuality is all too often
simplistic and judgmental: Research suggests that self-
identified Christian young people are as sexually active
as non-Christians. They find that what many churches
preach regarding this important aspect of life is based
on fear and prejudice.
• Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
Whether it is the homogeneity of a congregation’s ethnicity
and social class or the doctrines of exclusive salvation
offered by certain churches, today’s young person values
tolerance, open-mindedness and acceptance more than ever.
• Churches don’t encourage or allow doubts: At a time in
personal development when young people question everything,
churches that “have all the answers” are often described
as trivial and intolerant.
In the Barna survey, 36 percent of respondents suggested
that they are not able to “ask my most pressing life
questions in church.”
To put it bluntly, more and more North Americans don’t
find religious institutional life relevant to their
spirituality. That’s across the board: liberal, conservative,
progressive, evangelical and orthodox.
Seminaries of all persuasions have recorded successive
years of decline in their enrollments. One could conclude
that it’s not that North Americans aren’t spiritual, it’s
that they don’t find church life necessary for their
spirituality.
http://tinyurl.com/7pec64c
Fred^4
Oct 19, 2012, 3:45:47 PM10/19/12
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duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>Blame their parents.
For teaching them how to think. Yes. We know, cultist. We know. :)
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>Blame their parents.
Fred^4
Oct 19, 2012, 3:46:10 PM10/19/12
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MarkA
Oct 19, 2012, 4:03:03 PM10/19/12
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"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
society at large in the USA.
It is encouraging to see that sanity is starting to take root in the USA,
as it has already done in Europe. In another generation, many of those
who currently claim to have "no religious affiliation" will realize that
they don't really need to worry about whether a God exists or not. They
will become, at the very least, "apatheists".
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Dino
Oct 19, 2012, 4:38:03 PM10/19/12
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On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> today.
Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> today.
don't believe in
God?
Oh wait, that's a question and you don't like questions.
>
> The growth in the number of religiously unaffiliated Americans
> - sometimes called the rise of the "nones" -- is largely driven
> by generational replacement, the gradual supplanting of older
> generations by newer ones. A third (32%) of adults under 30
> have no religious affiliation, compared with just one-in-ten
> who are 65 and older (9%).
what
is happening.
Dino
Oct 19, 2012, 4:38:49 PM10/19/12
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On Oct 19, 3:15 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote innews:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
> "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote innews:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>
> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> >> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
> >> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >> today.
>
> > So what?
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
Absolutely. And if you understood biblical prophecy...we welcome it.
> > "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> >> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
> >> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >> today.
>
> > So what?
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
Dino
Oct 19, 2012, 4:39:35 PM10/19/12
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On Oct 19, 3:46 pm, repo...@scientology.org (Fred^4) wrote:
What kind of a lefty loon are you?
Are you trying to associate anyone affiliated to religion with
pedophiles??
Are you trying to associate anyone affiliated to religion with
pedophiles??
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 19, 2012, 4:54:57 PM10/19/12
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In article <m3v288ld3485ouds7...@4ax.com>,
> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >today.
>
> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
Denial is a serious problem with you, isn't it?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> Blame their parents.
Why?
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> Blame their parents.
> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >today.
>
> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Patrick
Oct 19, 2012, 7:02:21 PM10/19/12
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"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA0F190F0B2C55...@216.196.121.131...
> "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote in news:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>> So what?
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
> State of Christian churches: Where are the young people?
> 07 DECEMBER 2011
And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>> So what?
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
> State of Christian churches: Where are the young people?
> 07 DECEMBER 2011
We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
Patrick
Oct 19, 2012, 7:02:55 PM10/19/12
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"Fred^4" <rep...@scientology.org> wrote in message
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Patrick
Oct 19, 2012, 7:04:09 PM10/19/12
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"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2012.10.19....@nowhere.invalid...
I don't care.
I've got mine.
news:pan.2012.10.19....@nowhere.invalid...
I've got mine.
linuxgal
Oct 19, 2012, 7:26:02 PM10/19/12
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Patrick wrote:
>
> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>
> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
Jesus
--
Teddy Roosevelt - Square Deal
Franklin Roosevelt - New Deal
Harry Truman - Fair Deal
Bill Clinton - Meal Deal
Barack Obama - Raw Deal
kni...@baawa.com
Oct 19, 2012, 8:30:25 PM10/19/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 3:15 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote innews:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>>
your superstition describes the glorious event of when everyone dies a
tortured painful death. Especially how it's better to be dead than
alive.
Christianity, the religion of love.
Islam, the religion of peace.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 3:15 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote innews:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>>
>> > So what?
>>
>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>
>Absolutely. And if you understood biblical prophecy...we welcome it.
Yes. It's wonderful isn't it. Please tell all about how wonderful
>>
>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>
>Absolutely. And if you understood biblical prophecy...we welcome it.
your superstition describes the glorious event of when everyone dies a
tortured painful death. Especially how it's better to be dead than
alive.
Christianity, the religion of love.
Islam, the religion of peace.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 19, 2012, 10:00:53 PM10/19/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>> today.
>
>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>don't believe in
>God?
No.
But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
That's good enough in my book.
When rightards like you talk about Biblical prophesy and how the end
times will be a third world war started by Muslims, they roll their
eyes.
When rightards cite the Bible to prove "God Hates Fags", they roll
their eyes.
When you rightards cite the Bible to show how our society should be
structured and what laws should be passed, they roll their eyes.
When you rightards point to rainbows as proof that we don't need to
worry about climate change, they roll their eyes.
That's called "progress", in my book.
You rightards think we progressives are against the idea of God.
We're not.
We're against structuring our society based on a bronze age goat
herder's interpretation of God and what he thought God wanted.
Once that's out of the equation, I don't give a damn what you
rightards believe, because what you rightards believe won't effect me
in the least.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
wrote:
>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>> today.
>
>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>don't believe in
>God?
But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
That's good enough in my book.
When rightards like you talk about Biblical prophesy and how the end
times will be a third world war started by Muslims, they roll their
eyes.
When rightards cite the Bible to prove "God Hates Fags", they roll
their eyes.
When you rightards cite the Bible to show how our society should be
structured and what laws should be passed, they roll their eyes.
When you rightards point to rainbows as proof that we don't need to
worry about climate change, they roll their eyes.
That's called "progress", in my book.
You rightards think we progressives are against the idea of God.
We're not.
We're against structuring our society based on a bronze age goat
herder's interpretation of God and what he thought God wanted.
Once that's out of the equation, I don't give a damn what you
rightards believe, because what you rightards believe won't effect me
in the least.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Mitchell Holman
Oct 19, 2012, 10:54:42 PM10/19/12
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"Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote in news:1_kgs.13368$iX6.3287
@fed16.iad:
And yet you keep closing more and more churches.
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/michigan-diocese-faces-more-50-
parish-closings
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/morning_roundup/2012/04/catholic-
church-closings-announced-in.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/detroit-catholic-churches-
closing-archbishop-allen-vigneron_n_1284665.html
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/11/29/local-catholic-churches-to-close-
consolidate/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_churches_in_the_Roman_Catholi
c_Diocese_of_Albany
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/10/16/churches-closed-
list/
http://nokohaha.com/2010/10/16/five-minneapolis-catholic-churches-slated-
to-close/
@fed16.iad:
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/michigan-diocese-faces-more-50-
parish-closings
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/morning_roundup/2012/04/catholic-
church-closings-announced-in.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/detroit-catholic-churches-
closing-archbishop-allen-vigneron_n_1284665.html
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/11/29/local-catholic-churches-to-close-
consolidate/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_churches_in_the_Roman_Catholi
c_Diocese_of_Albany
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/10/16/churches-closed-
list/
http://nokohaha.com/2010/10/16/five-minneapolis-catholic-churches-slated-
to-close/
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 12:09:58 AM10/20/12
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In article <I%kgs.506$ev1...@fe26.iad>, "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com>
wrote:
What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
objective physical evidence at all.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
wrote:
objective physical evidence at all.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
hypatiab7
Oct 20, 2012, 12:21:48 AM10/20/12
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On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:15:50 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> Blame their parents.
>
> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >today.
>
> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
>
Catholic schools are either combining or closing down
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>
> Blame their parents.
>
> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
> >today.
>
> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
>
all over the United States. Lying about it won't help
you, Earl.
MarkA
Oct 20, 2012, 12:41:56 AM10/20/12
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--
MarkA
If you can read this, you can stop reading now.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:06:28 AM10/20/12
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now think.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:08:16 AM10/20/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:54:57 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <m3v288ld3485ouds7...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>> Blame their parents.
>
>Why?
>
>
>> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>> >today.
>> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
>Denial is a serious problem with you, isn't it?
There is no Catholic school called "denial". I have the facts and you have
nothing.
wrote:
>In article <m3v288ld3485ouds7...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>> Blame their parents.
>
>Why?
>
>
>> >The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>> >continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>> >- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>> >today.
>> Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
>Denial is a serious problem with you, isn't it?
nothing.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:14:16 AM10/20/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:15:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>"Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote in news:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>> So what?
>
>
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>"Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote in news:fgfgs.291$wO6...@fe07.iad:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>> So what?
>
>
>
> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>State of Christian churches: Where are the young people?
>07 DECEMBER 2011
>
>In a Sept. 28 article published by the Barna Group,
>“Six Reasons Young Christians Leave Church,” Barna, a
>nationally respected non-profit research organization
>dedicated to spiritual development, outlines six reasons
>why young people stay away from churches:
>• Churches seem overprotective: While many churches try
>to convince members to reject or avoid “worldly” influences,
>today’s young people are more connected to culture, media
>and concerns of the world than ever.
>• Their experience of Christianity is shallow:
flourishing in the US.
> Young
>people respond in surveys that they find church “boring,”
>“not relevant to career or interests” and “God seems
>missing from my experience of church.”
of the Church is to give guidance to our spiritual lives.
>• Churches seem antagonistic to science: In general,
>churches they perceive as opposed to science and reason
>turn off young people.
>• What churches teach about sexuality is all too often
>simplistic and judgmental: Research suggests that self-
>identified Christian young people are as sexually active
>as non-Christians. They find that what many churches
>preach regarding this important aspect of life is based
>on fear and prejudice.
>• Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:15:02 AM10/20/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>Patrick wrote:
>>
>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>
>"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>Jesus
That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>Patrick wrote:
>>
>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>
>"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>Jesus
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:15:58 AM10/20/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:03:03 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
>>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
>>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults under
>>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
>>
>> So what?
>
>One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
>"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
>sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
>ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
>society at large in the USA.
It's truth cannot be denied.
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
>>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
>>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults under
>>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
>>
>> So what?
>
>One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
>"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
>sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
>ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
>society at large in the USA.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 7:18:08 AM10/20/12
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>don't believe in
>>God?
>
>No.
>
>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>
>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>> today.
>>
>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>don't believe in
>>God?
>
>No.
>
>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 20, 2012, 7:31:59 AM10/20/12
to
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:18:08 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>>
>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>> today.
>>>
>>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>>don't believe in
>>>God?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>
>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>>
>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>> today.
>>>
>>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>>don't believe in
>>>God?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>
>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 8:08:16 AM10/20/12
to
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:31:59 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:18:08 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>>>
>>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>>>don't believe in
>>>>God?
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>>
>>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
>Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>Heh heh...
But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have. I'd like to see
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:18:08 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>>>
>>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>>>don't believe in
>>>>God?
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>>
>>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
>Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>Heh heh...
what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
Patrick
Oct 20, 2012, 8:44:30 AM10/20/12
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"Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in message
news:Uergil-0BF48B....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
news:Uergil-0BF48B....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
Patrick
Oct 20, 2012, 8:45:06 AM10/20/12
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news:pan.2012.10.20....@somewhere.invalid...
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 9:36:46 AM10/20/12
to
duke wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>
>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>> Jesus
>
> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>
>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>> Jesus
>
> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
your priorities are fucked.
--
Infinite rednecks shooting infinite shotgun rounds at infinite road
signs will eventually produce all the works of Shakespeare in Braille.
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 9:37:20 AM10/20/12
to
duke wrote:
>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>
> Some even reject their own sex.
Beauty is where you find it.
>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>
> Some even reject their own sex.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 1:13:01 PM10/20/12
to
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:46 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>> Jesus
>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>your priorities are fucked.
That's what I said.
>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>> Jesus
>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>your priorities are fucked.
duke
Oct 20, 2012, 1:13:30 PM10/20/12
to
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:37:20 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>
>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>
>> Some even reject their own sex.
>
>Beauty is where you find it.
Yep, some people are really screwed up that way.
>duke wrote:
>
>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>
>> Some even reject their own sex.
>
>Beauty is where you find it.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 4:35:30 PM10/20/12
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In article <N0xgs.14651$3u3....@fed04.iad>,
evidence that you actually had a car in that garage, but you have never
had any objective physical evidence that any gods are anywhere.
Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
gods. So does not need any evidence.
Theism is belief in the reality of at least one god, but has no
objective physical evidence supporting that belief.
"Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote:
> > What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
> > objective physical evidence at all.
>
> I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
> to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
But presumably you have, at some point in time, had objective physical
> > What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
> > objective physical evidence at all.
>
> I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
> to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
evidence that you actually had a car in that garage, but you have never
had any objective physical evidence that any gods are anywhere.
Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
gods. So does not need any evidence.
Theism is belief in the reality of at least one god, but has no
objective physical evidence supporting that belief.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 4:38:09 PM10/20/12
to
In article <l1xgs.13000$rN2....@fed14.iad>,
There is objective physical evidence that what we call water actually
exists.
But you can't lead an atheist to any objective physical evidence that
any gods exist, 'cause there ain't any.
exists.
But you can't lead an atheist to any objective physical evidence that
any gods exist, 'cause there ain't any.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:02:26 PM10/20/12
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In article <2u1588l32fu1irfr5...@4ax.com>,
evidence at all, as it just has been, then it can be as easily denied
without any supporting objective physical evidence at all.
Theists try to argue that lack of belief in gods needs proof whereas
belief in gods doesn't.
But that is backwards!
LACK of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism, is only
problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective physical
evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case.
PRESENCE of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case.
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
> >"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
> >sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
> >ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
> >society at large in the USA.
>
> It's truth cannot be denied.
If its truth can be proclaimed without any supporting objective physical
> >One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
> >"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
> >sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
> >ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
> >society at large in the USA.
>
> It's truth cannot be denied.
evidence at all, as it just has been, then it can be as easily denied
without any supporting objective physical evidence at all.
Theists try to argue that lack of belief in gods needs proof whereas
belief in gods doesn't.
But that is backwards!
LACK of belief in the existence of something, as in atheism, is only
problematic when there is a plentiful supply of objective physical
evidence that that thing actually exists. Which is NOT the case.
PRESENCE of belief in the existence of something, as in theism, is only
problematic when there is a total lack of objective physical evidence
that that thing actually exists. Which IS the case.
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:04:59 PM10/20/12
to
In article <0c1588dhmhp18t4vd...@4ax.com>,
prior religious affiliations for non-theism.
Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
gods.
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:47 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^4) wrote:
>
> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
> >>Blame their parents.
> >
> >For teaching them how to think. Yes. We know, cultist. We know. :)
>
> Yes, and when they reach young adult status, they really understand because
> they
> now think.
And because they can then think, that is when most of them leave their
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:47 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^4) wrote:
>
> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
> >>Blame their parents.
> >
> >For teaching them how to think. Yes. We know, cultist. We know. :)
>
> Yes, and when they reach young adult status, they really understand because
> they
> now think.
prior religious affiliations for non-theism.
Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
gods.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:07:34 PM10/20/12
to
In article <0025889nl76sbmmi8...@4ax.com>,
And how do you know that Wiccans are non-Chrisitan? Or even that they
have "churches"?
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
> Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
> toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
What about in Christian churched?
> We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
> Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
> toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
And how do you know that Wiccans are non-Chrisitan? Or even that they
have "churches"?
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
Mike Painter
Oct 20, 2012, 5:07:42 PM10/20/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:44:30 -0400, "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com>
wrote:
>
>> What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>> objective physical evidence at all.
>
>I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
That was the argument offered by the parish priests in religion
classes for the grade school.
Not a bad choice for little kids who may not have been able to grasp
the meaning of faith in a religious context.
It's kind of like a sex ed class featuring birds and bees.
"When two people love each other and get married..."
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig
wrote:
>
>> What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>> objective physical evidence at all.
>
>I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
classes for the grade school.
Not a bad choice for little kids who may not have been able to grasp
the meaning of faith in a religious context.
It's kind of like a sex ed class featuring birds and bees.
"When two people love each other and get married..."
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:11:27 PM10/20/12
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In article <ds45881qf2fgikk2b...@4ax.com>,
though you have absolutely no objective physical evidence supporting
that belief.
Beliefs like that (in things supernatural for which there is a total
lack of objective physical evidence) are properly called superstitions.
So that, in the standard meaning of the word, all theist religions are
superstitions.
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
> >Heh heh...
>
> But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have. I'd like to see
> what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
> offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
Among other things, you claim to be certain that a god exists even
> >Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
> >Heh heh...
>
> But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have. I'd like to see
> what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
> offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
though you have absolutely no objective physical evidence supporting
that belief.
Beliefs like that (in things supernatural for which there is a total
lack of objective physical evidence) are properly called superstitions.
So that, in the standard meaning of the word, all theist religions are
superstitions.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:17:52 PM10/20/12
to
In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>
> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
> > Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>
> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 5:20:03 PM10/20/12
to
Uergil wrote:
> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>
>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>
> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>
He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>
>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>
> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>
pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:20:34 PM10/20/12
to
In article <sd1588ld0t5o62kce...@4ax.com>,
objective physical evidence, thus are dubious.
And in the face of no objective evidence, having nothing is the proper
place to be.
The Best Way To Lower Abortion Rates Is To Give All Women Free And
Effective Birth Control
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224132-free-birth-control-cu
ts-abortion-rate-dramatically-study-finds?lite
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> There is no Catholic school called "denial". I have the facts and you have
> nothing.
Unfortunately, none of your "facts" about religion are backed up by any
> There is no Catholic school called "denial". I have the facts and you have
> nothing.
objective physical evidence, thus are dubious.
And in the face of no objective evidence, having nothing is the proper
place to be.
The Best Way To Lower Abortion Rates Is To Give All Women Free And
Effective Birth Control
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224132-free-birth-control-cu
ts-abortion-rate-dramatically-study-finds?lite
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:24:10 PM10/20/12
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In article <ms1588h5vomge20p6...@4ax.com>,
Popes and Cardinals, Jesus is telling you Catholics that YOU're going
the wrong way, too!
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >Patrick wrote:
> >>
> >> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
> >> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
> >
> >"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
> >their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
> >the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
> >and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
> >Jesus
>
> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
Which means that, with all your fancy Cathedrals and fancy clothes for
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >Patrick wrote:
> >>
> >> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
> >> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
> >
> >"But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
> >their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
> >the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
> >and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
> >Jesus
>
> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
Popes and Cardinals, Jesus is telling you Catholics that YOU're going
the wrong way, too!
Uergil
Oct 20, 2012, 5:26:10 PM10/20/12
to
In article <srm5885quc3vkjqr9...@4ax.com>,
wrong way, too!
The Best Way To Lower Abortion Rates Is To Give All Women Free And
Effective Birth Control
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224132-free-birth-control-cu
ts-abortion-rate-dramatically-study-finds?lite
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
> >>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
> >>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
> >>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
> >>> Jesus
>
> >> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you
> >> read.
> >That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
> >your priorities are fucked.
>
> That's what I said.
So you're conceding that Jesus is telling the RCC that it is going the
> >>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
> >>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
> >>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
> >>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
> >>> Jesus
>
> >> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you
> >> read.
> >That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
> >your priorities are fucked.
>
> That's what I said.
wrong way, too!
The Best Way To Lower Abortion Rates Is To Give All Women Free And
Effective Birth Control
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224132-free-birth-control-cu
ts-abortion-rate-dramatically-study-finds?lite
***************************************
Obama is on the side of people.
Rmoney is on the side of wealth.
Which side are you on?
***************************************
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 5:36:30 PM10/20/12
to
duke wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:37:20 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>>
>>> Some even reject their own sex.
>>
>> Beauty is where you find it.
>
> Yep, some people are really screwed up that way.
>
Funny you should mention screwed.
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:37:20 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>>
>>> Some even reject their own sex.
>>
>> Beauty is where you find it.
>
> Yep, some people are really screwed up that way.
>
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 5:37:58 PM10/20/12
to
duke wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:46 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>
>>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>>> Jesus
>
>>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>> That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>> your priorities are fucked.
>
> That's what I said.
>
So let's hear no more talk of big fancy cathedrals and nine figures for
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:46 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>
>>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>>> Jesus
>
>>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>> That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>> your priorities are fucked.
>
> That's what I said.
>
Catholic adherents.
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 20, 2012, 5:40:22 PM10/20/12
to
In article <ds45881qf2fgikk2b...@4ax.com>,
You have one GINORMOUS superstition--you think your god is real.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 20, 2012, 5:41:10 PM10/20/12
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In article <2u1588l32fu1irfr5...@4ax.com>,
support it.
duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:03:03 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
> >
> >> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> >>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
> >>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
> >>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults under
> >>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
> >>
> >> So what?
> >
> >One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
> >"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
> >sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
> >ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
> >society at large in the USA.
>
> It's truth cannot be denied.
Of course it can be denied, since there's not a shred of evidence to
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:03:03 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
> >
> >> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> >>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
> >>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
> >>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults under
> >>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
> >>
> >> So what?
> >
> >One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
> >"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
> >sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
> >ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
> >society at large in the USA.
>
> It's truth cannot be denied.
support it.
Patrick
Oct 20, 2012, 5:43:25 PM10/20/12
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"Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in message
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> In article <N0xgs.14651$3u3....@fed04.iad>,
> "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote:
>
>> > What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>> > objective physical evidence at all.
>>
>> I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>> to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
>
> But presumably you have, at some point in time, had objective physical
> evidence that you actually had a car in that garage, but you have never
> had any objective physical evidence that any gods are anywhere.
The Bible provides evidence.
> "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com> wrote:
>
>> > What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>> > objective physical evidence at all.
>>
>> I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>> to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
>
> But presumably you have, at some point in time, had objective physical
> evidence that you actually had a car in that garage, but you have never
> had any objective physical evidence that any gods are anywhere.
My memory of sun-roofs also provides me evidence.
Patrick
Oct 20, 2012, 5:44:06 PM10/20/12
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"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:60468892nei90807q...@4ax.com...
I thought it was just me.
news:60468892nei90807q...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:44:30 -0400, "Patrick" <PBARK...@r.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>>> objective physical evidence at all.
>>
>>I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>>to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
>
> That was the argument offered by the parish priests in religion
> classes for the grade school.
Really?
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> What you have is only faith in myth, but without the support of any
>>> objective physical evidence at all.
>>
>>I don't have to sleep in my garage in order
>>to hold that my myth of my new 2012 car is in there without me.
>
> That was the argument offered by the parish priests in religion
> classes for the grade school.
I thought it was just me.
Patrick
Oct 20, 2012, 5:45:00 PM10/20/12
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"Uergil" <Uer...@uer.net> wrote in message
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Zacharias Mulletstein
Oct 20, 2012, 7:41:54 PM10/20/12
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Him. You can't measure volume using a thermometer.
> In article <ds45881qf2fgikk2b...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>> >Heh heh...
>>
>> But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have. I'd like to
>> see
>> what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have.
>> Can you
>> offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
>
> Among other things, you claim to be certain that a god exists even
> though you have absolutely no objective physical evidence supporting
> that belief.
God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> >Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>> >Heh heh...
>>
>> But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have. I'd like to
>> see
>> what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have.
>> Can you
>> offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
>
> Among other things, you claim to be certain that a god exists even
> though you have absolutely no objective physical evidence supporting
> that belief.
Him. You can't measure volume using a thermometer.
Zacharias Mulletstein
Oct 20, 2012, 7:43:10 PM10/20/12
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news:Uergil-22F7FC....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
in gods, you're an acknostik.
> In article <0c1588dhmhp18t4vd...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:47 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^4) wrote:
>>
>> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>> >>Blame their parents.
>> >
>> >For teaching them how to think. Yes. We know, cultist. We know. :)
>>
>> Yes, and when they reach young adult status, they really understand
>> because
>> they
>> now think.
>
> And because they can then think, that is when most of them leave their
> prior religious affiliations for non-theism.
>
> Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
> gods.
Wrong. Quit trying to redefine athiesm. If you believe you don't believe
> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:45:47 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^4) wrote:
>>
>> >duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>> >>Blame their parents.
>> >
>> >For teaching them how to think. Yes. We know, cultist. We know. :)
>>
>> Yes, and when they reach young adult status, they really understand
>> because
>> they
>> now think.
>
> And because they can then think, that is when most of them leave their
> prior religious affiliations for non-theism.
>
> Atheism is LACK of belief in any gods, not BELIEF in the lack of any
> gods.
in gods, you're an acknostik.
Zacharias Mulletstein
Oct 20, 2012, 7:44:42 PM10/20/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:03:03 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
>>>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
>>>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults
>>>> under
>>>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>
>>One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
>>"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
>>sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
>>ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
>>society at large in the USA.
>
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:32:11 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion The number
>>>> of Americans who do not identify with any religion continues to grow at
>>>> a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public - and a third of adults
>>>> under
>>>> 30 - are religiously unaffiliated today.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>
>>One of the newsgroups this tidbit is being cross-posted to is
>>"alt.atheism", where we try to figure out why it is that so many otherwise
>>sane, intelligent people believe a fairy tale that was started 4,000 years
>>ago, and anyone who has the courage to question it is ostracized by
>>society at large in the USA.
>
> It's truth cannot be denied.
It is truth cannot be denied? What does that mean. English, motherfucker.
Speak it.
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 8:07:42 PM10/20/12
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Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>
> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
> Him.
That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>
> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
> Him.
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 20, 2012, 8:22:15 PM10/20/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:08:16 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:31:59 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:18:08 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:31:59 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:18:08 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:00:53 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Oct 19, 9:31 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>>>> continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>>>> - and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, so they are not affiliated with any religion. Does that mean they
>>>>>don't believe in
>>>>>God?
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>>>
>>>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>>>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>>>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
>
>>>>>don't believe in
>>>>>God?
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>But, they almost certainly don't believe in the superstitions,
>>>>proscription or taboos associated with any of the major religions.
>>>
>>>We don't have any of those superstitions, proscriptions or taboos in Chrisitan
>>>Churches. Now if you attend one of the local non-Chrisitan marshmellow-
>>>toasting churches like the wiccans, you would see that.
>
>>Actually, that's -all- you have, Dook.
>>Heh heh...
>
>But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have.
Not at all, Dook.
>>Heh heh...
>
>But you're an atheist, and are clueless as to what we have.
Theists aren't keeping their practices a big secret, after all.
>I'd like to see
>what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
>offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
Miracles...
Blood into wine...
Fantasy creation beliefs...
Immaculate conception...
Saints...
Angels...
Demons...
Proscriptions against birth control...
Proscriptions against masturbation...
How much do you want, Dook?
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Zacharias Mulletstein
Oct 20, 2012, 8:56:52 PM10/20/12
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"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
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> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>
>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> Him.
>
> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
There is no physical evidence of love either.
>>
>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> Him.
>
> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
linuxgal
Oct 20, 2012, 9:05:19 PM10/20/12
to
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 20, 2012, 9:18:53 PM10/20/12
to
Zacharias Mulletstein
Oct 20, 2012, 9:39:30 PM10/20/12
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"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd2-A1D5EB...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <k5vh8p$910$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
>> >> of
>> >> Him.
>> >
>> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
> Of course there is.
Present it.
> "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
>> >> of
>> >> Him.
>> >
>> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
> Of course there is.
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 21, 2012, 12:25:14 AM10/21/12
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In article <k5vjon$k7a$1...@dont-email.me>,
-brain-scans-can-explain>
<http://io9.com/5920291/love-activates-the-same-region-in-the-brain-as-dr
ug-addiction>
<http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/thriving101/201102/brain-study-revea
ls-secrets-staying-madly-in-love>
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-A1D5EB...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <k5vh8p$910$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
> >> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
> >> >> of
> >> >> Him.
> >> >
> >> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
> >>
> >> There is no physical evidence of love either.
> >
> > Of course there is.
>
> Present it.
>
<http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20110114/still-madly-in-love
> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-A1D5EB...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <k5vh8p$910$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
> >> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
> >> >> of
> >> >> Him.
> >> >
> >> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
> >>
> >> There is no physical evidence of love either.
> >
> > Of course there is.
>
> Present it.
>
-brain-scans-can-explain>
<http://io9.com/5920291/love-activates-the-same-region-in-the-brain-as-dr
ug-addiction>
<http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/thriving101/201102/brain-study-revea
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Dakota
Oct 21, 2012, 12:49:15 AM10/21/12
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proclaims that the communion wafer and the wine are
"transubstantiated" into real human flesh and blood and eagerly
gobbled down with a blood chaser at every mass. Yum, yum! It's
mandatory that every Catholic participates in the bloody feast at
least once each year during the Easter season. Alas, no fava beans are
served.
There's also the infallibility of the Pope. There is considerable
disagreement about when this concept was dreamed up but it became
official dogma in 1870. It came in handy in 1050 when Pope Pius XII
thought it would be nice to declare that the mother of BibleJesus was
"assumed' into heaven with her body alive and intact. It was okay if
they didn't believe it the day before, but after the Pope spoke 'ex
cathedra' about it, Catholics were required to believe it.
The exorcist is not just a movie to the Catholics. The Rev. Gabriel
Amorth has an office in the Vatican and claims to have treated over
70,000 cases of demonic possession. The 85-year-old Amorth is the most
famous living exorcist in the Catholic Church. For the record,
however, Amorth is not a Vatican official and does not carry out any
Vatican-licensed activity. When the Vatican issued a revised version
of the ritual for exorcism in 1999, Amorth loudly objected that its
rules prevent exorcisms to counteract "evil spells," such an curses or
the evil eye, which he said account for 90 percent of the cases an
exorcist faces. How batshit crazy is that‽
>
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 21, 2012, 1:58:38 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote:
>Uergil wrote:
>> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>>
>>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>>
>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>
>He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
Yes.
In addition, he's counting immigrants from Mexico and Central America.
Without them, the Catholic Church would be shrinking, just like the
Protestant Churches are.
The trajectory that Christianity is on in this country is clear.
It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
Europe.
wrote:
>Uergil wrote:
>> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>>
>>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>>
>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>
>He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
In addition, he's counting immigrants from Mexico and Central America.
Without them, the Catholic Church would be shrinking, just like the
Protestant Churches are.
The trajectory that Christianity is on in this country is clear.
It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
Europe.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:19:57 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:37:58 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:46 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>
>>>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>>>> Jesus
>>
>>>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>>> That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>>> your priorities are fucked.
>> That's what I said.
>So let's hear no more talk of big fancy cathedrals and nine figures for
>Catholic adherents.
I don't hear anything or talk about it. All I know about the crystal cathedral
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:36:46 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:26:02 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, we keep building bigger and better churches.
>>>>>> We just purchased the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County.
>>
>>>>> "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
>>>>> their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, and love
>>>>> the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
>>>>> and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi." --
>>>>> Jesus
>>
>>>> That's Jesus telling the Jews they're going the wrong way. Can't you read.
>>> That's Jesus saying if you're just all about big dog and pony shows,
>>> your priorities are fucked.
>> That's what I said.
>So let's hear no more talk of big fancy cathedrals and nine figures for
>Catholic adherents.
is that it went broke as a protest_ant building, and the RCC bought it. So the
only thing I can add is that growing faith requires new places of worship.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:20:49 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:36:30 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:37:20 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>>>
>>>> Some even reject their own sex.
>>>
>>> Beauty is where you find it.
>>
>> Yep, some people are really screwed up that way.
>Funny you should mention screwed.
Queer sex is screwed.
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:37:20 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> duke wrote:
>>>
>>>>> • Young people reject the exclusive nature of Christianity:
>>>>
>>>> Some even reject their own sex.
>>>
>>> Beauty is where you find it.
>>
>> Yep, some people are really screwed up that way.
>Funny you should mention screwed.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:26:54 AM10/21/12
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>Uergil wrote:
>> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>>
>>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>>
>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
>> In article <lj15889r4gltkog9v...@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Your religion is dying, get used to it.
>>>
>>> Haahaahaa. No way. It's grown 10% in the last 10 years.
>>
>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years. In my diocese
alone, we have about 300 new adult Catholics brought into the Church annually.
That does not include births of infants nor immigrant Catholics.
Furthermore, at one time, there was a heavy dropout after college, me being one.
But with a little age, I realized my mistake and am totally happy with my
return. We have a huge success in Catholic school graduations, and I can assure
you most of them will NOT be dropping out. So what goes comes back. And the
Church is clearly cycling back up.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:27:54 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:41:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
Only with blinders, and that is by choice..
wrote:
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:29:04 AM10/21/12
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duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:29:56 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:40:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
I'm 100% certain of it. It can't be denied with the plethora of evidence I
have.
wrote:
have.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:39:25 AM10/21/12
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>>I'd like to see
>>what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
>>offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
>Prayer...
>Miracles...
Rare, but no other answer suffices.
>Blood into wine...
No such thing.
>Fantasy creation beliefs...
Astrophysicists confirm it.
>Immaculate conception...
Free of sin at birth. Heeheehee.
>Saints...
Lived exemplary lives in faith of God.
>Angels...
God's workers in heaven
>Demons...
The devil make you do it.
>Proscriptions against birth control...
Blocking natural body functions.
>Proscriptions against masturbation...
You hate that one, don't you.
>How much do you want, Dook?
>Heh heh...
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:43:49 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:49:15 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
No such thing. All "dogma" is God-given.
>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
>proclaims that the communion wafer and the wine are
>"transubstantiated" into real human flesh and blood and eagerly
>gobbled down with a blood chaser at every mass. Yum, yum! It's
>mandatory that every Catholic participates in the bloody feast at
>least once each year during the Easter season. Alas, no fava beans are
>served.
>There's also the infallibility of the Pope. There is considerable
>disagreement about when this concept was dreamed up but it became
>official dogma in 1870.
> It came in handy in 1050 when Pope Pius XII
>thought it would be nice to declare that the mother of BibleJesus was
>"assumed' into heaven with her body alive and intact. It was okay if
>they didn't believe it the day before, but after the Pope spoke 'ex
>cathedra' about it, Catholics were required to believe it.
>The exorcist is not just a movie to the Catholics.
to justify paying to see it. God in truth would dispense of the demon in the
flash.
>The Rev. Gabriel
>Amorth has an office in the Vatican and claims to have treated over
>70,000 cases of demonic possession. The 85-year-old Amorth is the most
>famous living exorcist in the Catholic Church. For the record,
>however, Amorth is not a Vatican official and does not carry out any
>Vatican-licensed activity. When the Vatican issued a revised version
>of the ritual for exorcism in 1999, Amorth loudly objected that its
>rules prevent exorcisms to counteract "evil spells," such an curses or
>the evil eye, which he said account for 90 percent of the cases an
Not as bad as silent.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:44:43 AM10/21/12
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duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:45:21 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>
>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> Him.
>
>That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago.
>Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>
>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> Him.
>
>That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:45:47 AM10/21/12
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duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:46:34 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:05:19 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>
>>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>>> Him.
>>>
>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
>Maybe after the wet spot dries.
Sad - lacks knowledge of love vs having sex.
>Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>
>>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>>> Him.
>>>
>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
>Maybe after the wet spot dries.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:46:54 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 18:18:53 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <k5vh8p$910$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> >> Him.
>> >
>> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
>Of course there is.
Another powerful statement by jd.
wrote:
>In article <k5vh8p$910$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isright.com> wrote:
>
>> "linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lf6dnYcpAeNfoR7N...@giganews.com...
>> > Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>> >> Him.
>> >
>> > That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> There is no physical evidence of love either.
>
>Of course there is.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 7:47:44 AM10/21/12
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:25:14 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
And there you have evidence of God.
wrote:
Message has been deleted
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 9:48:27 AM10/21/12
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duke wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>
>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>> Him.
>>
>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>
> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago.
Master Lao said:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>
>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>> Him.
>>
>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>
> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago.
4
The Tao is like a well, used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.
It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God.
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 9:50:27 AM10/21/12
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duke wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:40:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You have one GINORMOUS superstition--you think your god is real.
>
> I'm 100% certain of it. It can't be denied with the plethora of evidence I
> have.
>
Would you say I have a 'plethora' of Pinatas, Pepe?
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:40:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You have one GINORMOUS superstition--you think your god is real.
>
> I'm 100% certain of it. It can't be denied with the plethora of evidence I
> have.
>
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 21, 2012, 9:52:20 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:43:49 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:49:15 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
>
>No such thing. All "dogma" is God-given.
In the real world, that's called "superstition", Dook.
>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:49:15 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
>
>No such thing. All "dogma" is God-given.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
>
Patrick
Oct 21, 2012, 9:54:12 AM10/21/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote ...
Robert Schuler had quite a following for years. When he stepped down
in favor of his son, and then.... his son was unable to fill the old man's
shoes,
they over-extended themselves. The RCC purchased the cathedral almost
a year ago with the promise that they would allow the old bureaucracy slowly
turn over the building to them. I expect a grand opening (or something) in
the next 6 months. They have already selected the new bishop. My brother
lives 3 blocks away from the cathedral.
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:37:58 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> wrote:
>>So let's hear no more talk of big fancy cathedrals and nine figures for
>>Catholic adherents.
>
> I don't hear anything or talk about it. All I know about the crystal
> cathedral
> is that it went broke as a protest_ant building, and the RCC bought it.
> So the
> only thing I can add is that growing faith requires new places of worship.
I think the RCC is trying to show respect for the last owners.
> wrote:
>>So let's hear no more talk of big fancy cathedrals and nine figures for
>>Catholic adherents.
>
> I don't hear anything or talk about it. All I know about the crystal
> cathedral
> is that it went broke as a protest_ant building, and the RCC bought it.
> So the
> only thing I can add is that growing faith requires new places of worship.
Robert Schuler had quite a following for years. When he stepped down
in favor of his son, and then.... his son was unable to fill the old man's
shoes,
they over-extended themselves. The RCC purchased the cathedral almost
a year ago with the promise that they would allow the old bureaucracy slowly
turn over the building to them. I expect a grand opening (or something) in
the next 6 months. They have already selected the new bishop. My brother
lives 3 blocks away from the cathedral.
Patrick
Oct 21, 2012, 9:55:36 AM10/21/12
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<Silen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7d3788haakcrmdo31...@6ax.com...
Just another natural cycle of ups and downs.
Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
droves.
news:7d3788haakcrmdo31...@6ax.com...
Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
droves.
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 9:55:57 AM10/21/12
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duke wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Uergil wrote:
>>
>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>
>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>
> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Uergil wrote:
>>
>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>
>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>
> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
Silen...@hotmail.com
Oct 21, 2012, 10:01:40 AM10/21/12
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>>Miracles...
>Rare, but no other answer suffices.
reported the miracle are deluded, lying or both.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You have none.
>>Blood into wine...
>No such thing.
Other way around.
Superstition.
>>Fantasy creation beliefs...
>Astrophysicists confirm it.
Genesis is directly contradicted by astrophysics.
>>Immaculate conception...
>Free of sin at birth. Heeheehee.
>>Saints...
>Lived exemplary lives in faith of God.
>
>>Angels...
>God's workers in heaven
>
>>Demons...
>The devil make you do it.
>
>>Proscriptions against birth control...
>Blocking natural body functions.
>
>>Proscriptions against masturbation...
>You hate that one, don't you.
Why would one like any of them?
>
>>How much do you want, Dook?
>>Heh heh...
>
>One accurate one would work.
They're all accurate.
You theists are just a bunch of loons.
Heh heh...
Lying racist rightard socialists...
Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
>
Mitchell Holman
Oct 21, 2012, 10:20:37 AM10/21/12
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Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:o2v788pptkbbe92la...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:15:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <m3v288ld3485ouds7...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>
> FINALLY - indoctrination is falling away.
>>
The Sudden Decline of the Catholic Church in America
Jul 20, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/6svuxgj
Catholic School Closings Need More Than A Miracle
January 30, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/89rapbz
More Catholic schools closing across U.S.
http://tinyurl.com/72rfcuf
44 Catholic Elementary Schools, 4 High Schools Closing
Jan 7, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/7vpx5z2
>
> But there is no correlation between the two.
>
news:o2v788pptkbbe92la...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:15:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <m3v288ld3485ouds7...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:31:48 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>><nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>>Blame their parents.
>>
>>
>>>32% - A Third of Young Adults Not Affiliated with a Religion
>>
>
> FINALLY - indoctrination is falling away.
>
>>
>>>The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>today.
>>
>>Catholic schools are flourishing, and so will the young adults.
>>
>>>The number of Americans who do not identify with any religion
>>>continues to grow at a rapid pace. One-fifth of the U.S. public
>>>- and a third of adults under 30 - are religiously unaffiliated
>>>today.
>>
>>
The Sudden Decline of the Catholic Church in America
Jul 20, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/6svuxgj
Catholic School Closings Need More Than A Miracle
January 30, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/89rapbz
More Catholic schools closing across U.S.
http://tinyurl.com/72rfcuf
44 Catholic Elementary Schools, 4 High Schools Closing
Jan 7, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/7vpx5z2
>
> But there is no correlation between the two.
>
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 10:23:06 AM10/21/12
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>> The trajectory that Christianity is on in this country is clear.
>> It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
>> Europe.
>
> Just another natural cycle of ups and downs.
> Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
> droves.
So you are praying for a megaterror attack to give Christianity a shot
>> It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
>> Europe.
>
> Just another natural cycle of ups and downs.
> Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
> droves.
in the arm. Check.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 11:47:37 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:55:57 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Uergil wrote:
> >>
>>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>>
>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
>keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
>automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
1. My data reflected a nominal 10% in each. I'm not trying to pinch pennies.
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Uergil wrote:
> >>
>>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>>
>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
>keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
>automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
2. Hispanics are typically Catholic rather than other, but many don't register
being either unfamiliar with the country or illegal or non-religious.
3. A 10% growth in the Chruch is a 10% growth, not a loss.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 11:48:23 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:48:27 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>>> Him.
>>>
>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago.
>
>Master Lao said:
>
>4
>
>The Tao is like a well, used but never used up.
>It is like the eternal void:
>filled with infinite possibilities.
>
>It is hidden but always present.
>I don't know who gave birth to it.
>It is older than God.
Master lao is hitting the bottle too hard.
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence of
>>>> Him.
>>>
>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>
>> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years ago.
>
>Master Lao said:
>
>4
>
>The Tao is like a well, used but never used up.
>It is like the eternal void:
>filled with infinite possibilities.
>
>It is hidden but always present.
>I don't know who gave birth to it.
>It is older than God.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 11:49:06 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:50:27 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:40:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You have one GINORMOUS superstition--you think your god is real.
>>
>> I'm 100% certain of it. It can't be denied with the plethora of evidence I
>> have.
>>
>
>Would you say I have a 'plethora' of Pinatas, Pepe?
Why would I care?
>duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:40:22 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You have one GINORMOUS superstition--you think your god is real.
>>
>> I'm 100% certain of it. It can't be denied with the plethora of evidence I
>> have.
>>
>
>Would you say I have a 'plethora' of Pinatas, Pepe?
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 11:50:06 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:52:20 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:43:49 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:49:15 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
>>
>>No such thing. All "dogma" is God-given.
>
>In the real world, that's called "superstition", Dook.
No, in the non religious world, rubbing a rabbit's foot is a superstition.
>On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:43:49 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:49:15 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Let's not forget the mandatory cannibalism rituals. Catholic dogma
>>
>>No such thing. All "dogma" is God-given.
>
>In the real world, that's called "superstition", Dook.
duke
Oct 21, 2012, 11:55:33 AM10/21/12
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:01:40 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>I'd like to see
>>>>what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
>>>>offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
>>>Prayer...
>>Asking.
>Asking who?
<sigh> Asking of God.
>>>>I'd like to see
>>>>what superstitions or proscriptions or taboos that you think we have. Can you
>>>>offer something. Or will you maintain your usual failure to speak up?
>>>Prayer...
>>Asking.
>Asking who?
>>>Miracles...
>>Rare, but no other answer suffices.
>The other answer is that there was no miracle and the people who
>reported the miracle are deluded, lying or both.
rather than born.
>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
>You have none.
>>>Blood into wine...
>>No such thing.
>Sorry...
>Other way around.
>Superstition.
>>>Fantasy creation beliefs...
>>Astrophysicists confirm it.
>No they don't.
>Genesis is directly contradicted by astrophysics.
>>>Immaculate conception...
>>Free of sin at birth. Heeheehee.
>Superstition.
>>>Saints...
>>Lived exemplary lives in faith of God.
>Superstition.
>>>Angels...
>>God's workers in heaven
>Superstition.
>>>Demons...
>>The devil make you do it.
>Superstition.
>>>Proscriptions against birth control...
>>Blocking natural body functions.
>Taboo.
>>>Proscriptions against masturbation...
>>You hate that one, don't you.
>Taboo.
>Why would one like any of them?
>>>How much do you want, Dook?
>>>Heh heh...
>>One accurate one would work.
>Lol...
>They're all accurate.
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 11:59:29 AM10/21/12
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duke wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:55:57 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
>>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>
>> The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
>> keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
>> automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
>
> 1. My data reflected a nominal 10% in each. I'm not trying to pinch pennies.
> 2. Hispanics are typically Catholic rather than other, but many don't register
> being either unfamiliar with the country or illegal or non-religious.
> 3. A 10% growth in the Chruch is a 10% growth, not a loss.
Okay, we'll round off. Catholicism grew 10%, and US population grew
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:55:57 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics reflect a 10%
>>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>
>> The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
>> keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
>> automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
>
> 1. My data reflected a nominal 10% in each. I'm not trying to pinch pennies.
> 2. Hispanics are typically Catholic rather than other, but many don't register
> being either unfamiliar with the country or illegal or non-religious.
> 3. A 10% growth in the Chruch is a 10% growth, not a loss.
10%. That's a dog bites man story. Why bring it up? But here's the
interesting part. Hispanics are largely Catholic, and if their 14%
growth was required to maintain the growth of the Church at the same 10%
rate as the growth of the US population at large, then Catholicism has a
problem at the core. It's like Lee invading Pennsylvania just to feed
the Army of Northern Virginia. It's like Obama campaigning on Big Bird,
Binders, and Bullshit. It's not a winning strategy.
Malygris
Oct 21, 2012, 12:40:05 PM10/21/12
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duke wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:48:27 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
>>>>> of Him.
>>>>
>>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>>
>>> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years
>>> ago.
>>
>>Master Lao said:
>>
>>4
>>
>>The Tao is like a well, used but never used up.
>>It is like the eternal void:
>>filled with infinite possibilities.
>>
>>It is hidden but always present.
>>I don't know who gave birth to it.
>>It is older than God.
>
> Master lao is hitting the bottle too hard.
Hey linuxgal, do you think duke knows who Master Lao is?
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:48:27 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:07:42 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> God isn't a physical being. So you won't ever find physical evidence
>>>>> of Him.
>>>>
>>>> That is exactly equivalent to saying he does not exist.
>>>
>>> Au contraire. He willed the universe into existence 13.7 billion years
>>> ago.
>>
>>Master Lao said:
>>
>>4
>>
>>The Tao is like a well, used but never used up.
>>It is like the eternal void:
>>filled with infinite possibilities.
>>
>>It is hidden but always present.
>>I don't know who gave birth to it.
>>It is older than God.
>
> Master lao is hitting the bottle too hard.
--
Malygris
linuxgal
Oct 21, 2012, 12:53:32 PM10/21/12
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> duke wrote:
>
>>
>> Master lao is hitting the bottle too hard.
>
> Hey linuxgal, do you think duke knows who Master Lao is?
>
He doesn't even know when he's in the middle of a pun thread.
>
>>
>> Master lao is hitting the bottle too hard.
>
> Hey linuxgal, do you think duke knows who Master Lao is?
>
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Patrick
Oct 21, 2012, 1:00:05 PM10/21/12
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"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
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> Patrick wrote:
>> <Silen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7d3788haakcrmdo31...@6ax.com...
>>> The trajectory that Christianity is on in this country is clear.
>>> It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
>>> Europe.
>>
>> Just another natural cycle of ups and downs.
>> Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
>> droves.
>
> So you are praying for a megaterror attack to give Christianity a shot in
> the arm. Check.
I don't care if there is a terror attack or not.
>> <Silen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7d3788haakcrmdo31...@6ax.com...
>>> The trajectory that Christianity is on in this country is clear.
>>> It's entered the long, slow decline phase, much like Christianity in
>>> Europe.
>>
>> Just another natural cycle of ups and downs.
>> Nothing to worry about. After the next 9-11, they will be coming back in
>> droves.
>
> So you are praying for a megaterror attack to give Christianity a shot in
> the arm. Check.
I've got my reservations in.
Aisle seat, close to the VIP lounge.
If you don't hurry, you'll be in the cargo bin with the loozers.
Patrick
Oct 21, 2012, 1:01:08 PM10/21/12
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The more who bail out, the better for us who stay.
> duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Uergil wrote:
> >>
>>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>>
>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics
>> reflect a 10%
>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>
> The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
> keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
> automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
Is this important to you?
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:03 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Uergil wrote:
> >>
>>>> But nowhere nearly as fast as the non-theist share of the population.
>>
>>> He's counting raw births by Catholic parents, which are automatic
>>> pickups for the Church. Most of these fall through by college.
>>
>> Actually you don't know what you're talking about. The statistics
>> reflect a 10%
>> growth in the RCC population in the US in the last 10 years.
>
> The US population grew 11.1% in the last decade, so you're not even
> keeping up with natural increase, even with the Hispanic (and
> automatically Catholic) increase of 14 percent giving the Church a boost.
The more who bail out, the better for us who stay.
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