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la...@talltwn.com

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Dec 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/6/97
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It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
testimony to God.

The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things
that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

By the evidence:
God ......... infinity
Atheists ..... zero

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David Richards

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
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In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, <la...@talltwn.com> wrote:
>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

Because people want to hang out with people who think similarly?

Why does a Camaro newsgroup exist? Or any newsgroup?


>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

People come here not to "prove that god doesn't exist" but to get away from
all the bastards who insist that god does exist, loudly and repeatedly.

(Hint: look in a mirror)


>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Nope.


>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Only to people with a 5th grade understanding of physics.


>Hey, but wait: all the bad things that happen in the world!
> Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who even know God exists but
>chose to be on the losing side.

Hey, thanks for the funniest thing I've heard today!


>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

Hey, that sounds a lot like a Gary Larson cartoon I have.

Cabrutus

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Troll?

la...@talltwn.com wrote in article <8814676...@dejanews.com>...


> It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>

> Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess

We don't.

> the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

It isn't.

>
> The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> testimony to God.

They aren't.

>
> The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

Not always.

> pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things

Irrelevant.

> that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who

Prove it.

> even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

I doubt it.

>
> By the evidence:
> God ......... infinity
> Atheists ..... zero

You're going to have to do better than that, troll. Why don't you RTFFAQ?

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Landis D. Ragon

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
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la...@talltwn.com wrote:


Any evidence for a troll?

Anagram of la...@talltwn.com? None obvious.
Any misspelled words? No, no obvious ones, anyway.
Any wAcKY CAps? No.
Any 'out of context' Bible quotes? Nope!
Crossposted to 16 gazillion off-topic news groups? Nope!
Confusing science and atheism? Yes.
Pascal's Wager? Well, maybe a little.

I'd give this one maybe 10% chance of trolldom.

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>
>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess

>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.
>

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

<*sigh*>

You have obviously fallen for the *BIG LIE* that only atheists
accept that evolution occurs. (Notice that I did not say 'that only
atheists believe in evolution') A quick lurk in news:talk.origins
should disabuse you of that incorrect belief. Many of the posters
there are practicing scientists and many of them believe that the
'Horrible Space Kabloowie' and evolution are the methods that their
deity used to create the universe and the diversity of life on Earth.


>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things


Hey bud, can you quote the SLOT?


>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who

>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.
>

>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero
>


The deity you worship is an insane monster who apparently advocates
the killing of infants, tortures disbelievers simply because they
disbelieve because of no evidence, and is reputed to have punished
the entire planet because 2 innocent individuals (Adam and Eve) did
not understand the consequences of their disobedience.

Such a horrible deity is not worthy of your worship.

Armaments Chapter Two Verses Nine to Twenty One.

And St. Attila raised his hand grenade up on high saying
"O Lord bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow
thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. "and the Lord did grin and
people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies
and orang-utans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

Email address has been munged to prevent spam. Please
change domain to 'ibm.net' to generate correct address.

Landis D. Ragon
Chief Elf in the toy factory...

In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

Orelalaith

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
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> It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

To see the funny frothing fundies, didn't you know? The best way to bait
them is to say that you're atheist...

Actually, if I wanted to do a psych report on frothing fundies the BEST
way to attract them is to make an atheist newgroup...

> Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
> the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

Huh? Wow, that's a new one... I'll putthis in my funny post now...

> The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> testimony to God.

The bible was written by someone who wants a suitable reason for people to
be good and remain sheep why else "...and the meek shall rule the
world..." when the meek wind up being second class citizens? and are
tormented and basically screwed over until they get mad and scream "I'm
not gonna take this bullshit anymore!!!!" and become the un-meek?
Miracles? Well, a story can grow in the re-telling, the universe is just
something that we haven't explored yet.

> The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

> pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things

> that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
> even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Who says the losing side? Looks to *me* like Evil tends to win unless the
good begin to use THEIR ways, in which case they are no longer good...
catch 22!

> By the evidence:
> God ......... infinity
> Atheists ..... zero

Voodoo scoring! I like it!


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Michelle Malkin

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess


>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can


>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

>By the evidence:


>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

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You don't actually sound like a troll, so I'll answer your message. And, even if
you are a troll, this still needs to be said. Alt.atheism exists for atheists
who would like to discuss atheist issues and matters of interest to atheists.
Some of us are very interested in ancient history, and this leads to some
discussion on biblical matters. But, mainly the religious discussions start as a
result of theists coming to this newsgroup hoping to convert us to their brand
of theism (and there are many). When they realize that they have no hope at all
of achieving their goal, they either leave peacefully or remain and become a
nuisance. The many arguments you see going on in alt.atheism are a result of
silly, foolish, uneducated and/or vicious comments made by these rebuffed
theists. Some are subtlely insulting, others are outright insulting and many
don't even realize that they are being insulting. When the ones who say they
don't mean to be insulting have it explained to them why their comments are
insulting, they become upset and call us ungrateful. After all, they are here to
'save our souls'. If any theist refuses to understand how deeply insulting this
is to us, then they deserve to be insulted back until they leave. This is an
atheist newsgroup, not a hunting ground for theists searching for conversions to
notch on their belts.

There are several theists who are regular or semi-regular members of
alt.atheism. They are welcome here, since they are here to learn and to trade
knowledge. Many of them stay here because their form of theism has been attacked
by the same theists who attack atheists. They aren't interested in converting
us, and we aren't interested in turning them into atheists. (You can't turn
someone into an atheist anymore than you can force them to believe in a
religion.) Because these theists aren't fanatics like the invading theists, they
are called 'unChristian'.

My opinion is that the invading theists are the ones who behave in an
unChristian manner. They are generally ignorant, egotistical, poorly educated,
bigoted, sexist, unwilling to learn anything new, willing to let others do their
thinking for them, and afraid to think for themselves. They don't think; they
parrot what they are told to believe. As incredible as it seems, most of them
believe that the bible is totally inerrant, though they have never read the
entire thing themselves. They only read the parts that support their personal
prejudices.

As to your other comments which appear to be deliberate attempts to upset
atheists, prove that your or any other god exists, prove that there is such a
thing as a 'devil' or angels or heaven or hell or a biblical creation or
miracles. Don't just throw phrases like 'the Second Law of Thermodynamics'
around. Back up what you say. All you've done so far is repeat the same old
stuff that other theists have come here with and had totally disproven. Do you
have any kind of new proof to support your claims? Have you read the FAQ for
this newsgroup?

By the way, we don't have to prove that your god doesn't exist; you have to
prove that it does. So far, you haven't proven its existence, so there is
nothing, literally, for us to disprove. I'm sure that you can understand this.

I await your answers.

Michelle Malkin
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The bible must be seen in a cultural context. It didn't just
happen. These stories are retreads. But, tell a Christian that
-- No, No! What makes it doubly sad is that they hardly know
the book, much less its origins. -- Isaac Asimov
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Orelalaith

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
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> >Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
> >the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>
> People come here not to "prove that god doesn't exist" but to get away from
> all the bastards who insist that god does exist, loudly and repeatedly.
>
> (Hint: look in a mirror)

Well, then, to the person that began this newsgroup... you should realize
by now, Bible-fanatics are attracted to non-Christians like bees to
honey... it has something to do with thier innate desire to go to heaven,
didn't you know? It's kinda like a pyramid scheme... if you convert 10
other people you go to heaven, and if THEY convert 10 other people...
etc... and if each of these people gives the Church $1 ... why else does
the Church tell you it's GOOD to be poor, and yet gild thier roofs in
gold...

Denis Loubet

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> Armaments Chapter Two Verses Nine to Twenty One.
>
> And St. Attila raised his hand grenade up on high saying
> "O Lord bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow
> thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy. "and the Lord did grin and
> people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies
> and orang-utans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

Well quoted! :-) (You're obviously a Python Scholar!)

-Denis-

Jeff Candy

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la...@talltwn.com:

|> The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards
|> but neither can pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Do tell us, clearly, what the second law says.

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Dedgod

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la...@talltwn.com wrote in message <8814676...@dejanews.com>...


>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I >guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

Once again, we have someone saying that there is evidence of god's
existence, yet there is no evidence presented. Sir, your words are empty.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Lessee... bible - written by men, and might I add, fairly poorly.
Miracles - the claims of simpletons
Heaven - existence is unproven.
Universe - proves the existence of matter and energy.
Creation - according to xtianity, this would be the same as the universe.
This only proves that the original poster is a rambling idiot.


>
>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither >can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Does creation pass the second law of thermodynamics?

> Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons >who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

As an atheist, I don't consider too many things to be bad.


>
>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

Duh! Lets see if I can score too.

By the lack of evidence...
God ........ zilch
Atheists... all the marbles, by virtue of the fact that we seek to prove
nothing.


Dedgod #655

Orelalaith

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Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
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>
> Lessee... bible - written by men, and might I add, fairly poorly.

Awww! c'mon! I find it amusing! I seem to remember that it WAS one of the
bloodiest books I've read, and it's got parts that sounds like the writer
was on some recreational drugs! :) What else do you need in an anthology
of fictional works?

> Miracles - the claims of simpletons

Hey, the system (my school's, USB) hasn't crashed ONCE today... THAT's a
miracle.. ;P

> Creation - according to xtianity, this would be the same as the universe.

Hey, A->B and B->A thus A->B->A->B adnauseum...

> This only proves that the original poster is a rambling idiot.

Well, we agree there...

> >The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither >can
> >pass the second law of thermodynamics.
>
> Does creation pass the second law of thermodynamics?

But OF COURSE it does... it COMPLETELY bypassed ALL the laws of physics
AND biology!!!

Stix

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Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

>and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs
> and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and
>breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

What fruit bat?


Stix
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"Mysticism is a disease of the mind."
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Stix

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la...@talltwn.com posted the following to alt.atheism:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

It exists to puzzle idiots.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.

There aren't. There are people who don't believe your mindless mumbling.

> I guess the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

All zero of it.

>The Bible,

Merely a book.

> miracles,

Unsupported say-so accounts in aforementioned book.

> heaven,

Unsupported gibberish from aforementioned book.

> the universe,

Proof that a universe exists.

> creation,

Unsupported drivel from aforementioned book.

> all are testimony to God.

To what? Define "god."

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards

Nope, they're supported scientific theories.

> but neither can pass the second law of thermodynamics.

ROTFLMAO!! Jolly good, I was beginning to think we'd last a week without
some brainless cumstain babbling the "second law of thermodynamics"
nonsense.

All you've done is display your ignorance, nimrod.

> Hey, but wait: all the bad things that happen in the world!
> Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Contrived ad hoc crap based on nothing but fairy tales.

>By the evidence:

>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

Did you think that one up all by yourself, god-boy?

My, aren't you a *clever* little idiot?

Chris Kennedy

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la...@talltwn.com wrote in alt.atheism:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

Yes, well, I'm not surprised. I'll bet a lot of things are puzzling to
you. But you can just say goddidit and forget about them, can't you?

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess


>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

We don't need to prove that god doesn't exist. You need to prove that
he does. And don't even think you've done it with this post.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Prove the Bible is true. List some miracles and prove why they can't
possibly have any explanation other than Goddidit. Prove heaven
exists. Prove the universe requires a god to create it, and that it
has to be your God.

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can


>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Oh, wait a minute. But what about all those theists who also think
that evolution and bbt are true? Well, I guess they're really atheists
pretending to be theists, right? Because no _real_ christian could
possibly believe in evolution! And please, I'd love to hear you
explain the 2nd law of thermodynamics for us.

>Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

But wait, if God created everything, then he created Satan, too,
right? Now that doesn't make any sense... that makes God responsible
for all the bad things that happen.

>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

Now that's an interesting way to score it... bullshit, but
interesting.

You're way out of your league here, fool. We've heard all your
arguments. They're nothing special. Now why don't you run back to
mommy and pray for us all quietly.

--Chris
--
Christina Kennedy
Atheist #641
psych...@hotmail.com

cz...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:

: The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
: testimony to God.

: The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can


: pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Having thought about it for all of the time it took me to blink, what more
response does this cretin-wannabe deserve than having an SEP field put up
around him/her/it?

<PLONK>

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until you just wish Flanders was dead!

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>

Why have throughout history, scientists and other critical thinkers
organized to help people understand that the following do no exist:

The earth centered universe.
Witches
Dragons
Thor and related myths
Zues and related myths.
And even this day, the Christian god is just one of many that some of us
are attempting to show no evidence for them exists.

Are you saying that if you try to explain to a child that the easter bunny
doesn't exist, that you believe that he does?

I know of no atheist that take the idea of "proving god doesn't exist"
seriously. Since it is impossible to prove anything doesn't exist.
We can only try to show others that there is no evidence for any gods
existence. We can try to explain that all thing attributed to gods can be
better explained (Now or in the future) by science.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.
>

Then what is the existence of God testimony to?
What ever your answer, I could say, that is what the Universe is testimony
to, and be more correct.


>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Are you saying a "God out-of-nowhere Universe" follows this law?


Atheism existed long before the theory of evolution or the big bang.


Jay L Cole

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things


>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

>By the evidence:


>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

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My real address is @bgn.mindspring.com to prevent spam.


Jay L Cole

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

That is because you are not too bright, and more than likely just a
simple troll.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

We don't, you need to prove he exists before you can enact laws and
freedom restrictions in his imaginary name. You assume atheist need
to prove anything, they aren't fighting 'god', they are fighting the
mindless followers of a mythology that are so convinced they are
right, they are willing to use force to prove it to you.

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Why? Because you say so?

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things

What does evolution have to do with thermodynamics? Are you stating
the earth is a closed system?

Second, have you discovered the contents of the universe to A ...
prove it is a closed system? B ... does not contain enough dark
matter to crunch back on itself eventually and cycle like everything
else in nature?

And finally, what does all of this have to do with atheism. Evolution
and cosmology have nothing to do with no believing in sky buddies.
So, please stick to the subject at hand.

>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

What evidence? I simply see claims...nothing else...hum typical fundy
troll. Has to be a troll.

Jay Cole

MarkC

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la...@talltwn.com writes:
>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

It is puzzling to me why Christian newsgroups exist.

>
>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

Why are there people that need to prove that God exists. I guess
the reason is that the evidence is clearly against God existing.

>
>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

The bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
irrelevent to the existance of God.

>
>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

>pass the second law of thermodynamics.Hey, but wait: all the bad things


>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Pascal's Wager and Argument by design are Christian Trump cards but both
have been refuted numerous on alt.atheism. Hey, but wait: all the bad things
that happen in the world! Sorry, but that's even more evidence against God.

>
>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero
>

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By the evidence:

God.........none
Atheists.....Who the fuck cares?
Laird........Just another one who thinks this is some kind of evidence for God.

--
Mark C.
#99

"Give me the storm and tempest of thought and action,
rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith!
Banish me from Eden when you will; but first let me
eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge!"
[Robert G. Ingersoll, "The Gods", 1872]

Bob

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la...@talltwn.com wrote:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

That's because you didn't lurk for any appreciable time and you
obviously didn't read the FAQ for this newsgroup. Do you presume that
you don't need to follow the protocol set down years ago for proper
USENET courtesy?

Oh, silly me. You're a fundie asshole theist, of course you don't feel
you have to be socially responsible.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I

Normally we DON'T try proving that god(s) exist. We NORMALLY have
discussions about how, as atheists, to deal with the theist world out
there. How to raise children with morals and ethics without
brainwashing them. How to get along with theists in the workplace. How
to fight against theocratic laws. And so on.

But...... on a quite regular basis, asshole fundies such as yourself
have to jump into alt.atheism with both feet and no brain. THEN we wind
up telling you how stupid your beliefs are, merely because YOU have
brought the subject up. Is this too difficult for you to understand?

Probably.

guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

There IS no evidence for god(s).



>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Your bible is full of myths... and shit, just like you. There are no
miracles, unless you consider yourself as an example. It's a miracle
that you have enough brain power for basic motor functions, let alone
being able to post on this newsgroup. Yep, miracle. There is no
heaven. The universe is here, yes. Proving what? That the universe is
here. There was no creation. There might be testimony, but not to a
god. Doesn't exist.



>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things


>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Satan and demons are figments of your imagination, just like your god.



>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

You wish.

I only have a few more things to say to you, based on your complete lack
of courtesy and respect for our newsgroup, I give it back to you in
equal portions:

Fuck YOU, fuck your god, fuck your jesus, fuck your holey spurt, and
fuck your pile of shit bible.

Have a nice day.

AA#8

--
bob

I spell my name backwards just to confuse people.

Landis D. Ragon

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stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix) wrote:

>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:
>
>>and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs
>> and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and
>>breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...
>
>What fruit bat?
>
>

Huh? Lemon?

Jeff/addesign

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d...@ripco.com (David Richards) wrote:

>In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, <la...@talltwn.com> wrote:
>>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

>Because people want to hang out with people who think similarly?

>Why does a Camaro newsgroup exist? Or any newsgroup?

Because they all worship the God Kamar, deliverer of the Rules of the
Road. Their motto is "Z28: In this sign, you will conquer." Many have
received the blessing of four-on-the-floor.

>>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess


>>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

>People come here not to "prove that god doesn't exist" but to get away from


>all the bastards who insist that god does exist, loudly and repeatedly.

Nah, I come here to see what BS the fundie have posted, and turn the
Bible and history back on them. This is more fun than the Crusaders
killing Jews for Christ. (A shining moment in Christian virtues:
murder those who disagree with you.)
<snip>

Jeff/addesign

Ed. Stoebenau

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On Sat, 06 Dec 1997 22:21:42 -0600, la...@talltwn.com wrote:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

Why?

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.

So you don't understand what atheism is. Why am I not surprised?

> I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

How can there be evidence for a non-contingent proposition?

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.

Talk about assuming what you need to prove.

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards

That's odd. I find them quite consistent with theism.

>but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

No, only a perverted form of said law.

>Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Again, talking about what you need to prove. (But even allowing this
wouldn't help you. Satan and the demons doing all their evil work
would show that God wouldn't be morally perfect, and therefore due to
his nature not existing.)

>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity

Huh? Since when could anything have a probability greater than one?

>Atheists ..... zero

You misspelt "one."

--
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Ed. Stoebenau email: esto...@see.below
a#143 use headers to figure out
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raven1

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Jay L Cole wrote:
>
> la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>
> >It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>
> That is because you are not too bright, and more than likely just a
> simple troll.
>
> >Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess

> >the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>
> We don't, you need to prove he exists before you can enact laws and
> freedom restrictions in his imaginary name. You assume atheist need
> to prove anything, they aren't fighting 'god', they are fighting the
> mindless followers of a mythology that are so convinced they are
> right, they are willing to use force to prove it to you.
>
> >The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> >testimony to God.
>
> Why? Because you say so?
>
> >The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
> >pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>
> What does evolution have to do with thermodynamics? Are you stating
> the earth is a closed system?
>
> Second, have you discovered the contents of the universe to A ...
> prove it is a closed system? B ... does not contain enough dark
> matter to crunch back on itself eventually and cycle like everything
> else in nature?
>
> And finally, what does all of this have to do with atheism. Evolution
> and cosmology have nothing to do with no believing in sky buddies.
> So, please stick to the subject at hand.
>
> >that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
> >even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.
>
> >By the evidence:
> >God ......... infinity
> >Atheists ..... zero
>
> What evidence? I simply see claims...nothing else...hum typical fundy
> troll. Has to be a troll.

Not a very good one, though. It needs some misspellings and random caps,
also Pascal's wager is nowhere to be found, although the
misunderstanding of the second law of thermodynamics is a nice touch. I
rate it about a 6.9 out of 10.

>
> Jay Cole
> My real address is @bgn.mindspring.com to prevent spam.

--

I've given up on munging my address, it does no good. Let the spambots
come.
My killfile will eat them for breakfast!

If responding to a Usenet posting, please E-mail a copy, as my server
often misses posts.


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Love, all you children - sing for all the love that you have found."


--"Behind the Sky", The Kind

Stix

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Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

>Stix wrote:

>>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

>>>and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs
>>> and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and
>>>breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...

>>What fruit bat?

>Huh? Lemon?

Tsk. Czar, if you please:

Pioneer

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> It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

So that atheists can talk to each other about things. If only it were
possible without being pestered by irrational, nonsensical theists like
yourself.

> Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.

Who says that athiests need to prove that any gods don't exist?

I guess
> the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

Really? None of us have found any.

> The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> testimony to God.

Which god? And what about the religious texts and miracles from all the
other religions?

> The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
> pass the second law of thermodynamics.

Actually, neither have anythint to do with atheism. However, tha second law
only pertains to closed systems - which the earth isn't. Thus, it doesn't
apply to evolution.

Hey, but wait: all the bad things

> that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
> even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Prove it.

> By the evidence:
> God ......... infinity
> Atheists ..... zero

Then prove it. Bet you can't.

--
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.
- Nietzsche "The Dawn" (1881)

Matt Allan Miller

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>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess


>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>

>The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>testimony to God.
>

>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

>pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things


>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.
>

>By the evidence:
>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

You sound grumpy. Have the billy goats been keeping you up nights?
-Matt Miller


>
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DonnaCoyne

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>Subject: Fighting something that doesn't exist
>From: la...@talltwn.com
>Date: Sat, Dec 6, 1997 23:21 EST
>Message-id: <8814676...@dejanews.com>

>
>It is puzzling to me

Given the striking lack of intellect and general gawd-blindedness
of your post, I dare say a good many things are puzzling to you.

why an atheist newsgroup exists.

For the discussion of issues related to atheists and/or atheism.
There now, was that so terribly difficult?


>
>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.

I personally have no interest in proving that your "god"
doesn't exist, any more than I "need" to prove that Zeus,
Odin, Mithra, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Lucky
Charms leprechaun don't exist. Nor do I give a happy
rat's ass whether *you* believe in any or all of them,
so long as you refrain from barging into *my* beliefs.

I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.

And, of course, you *are* prepared to furnish objective, verifiable evidence
that supports your contention? If not,
I have in my pocket an IOU that says *you* owe me a
thousand dollars. Now then, do you believe this IOU exists,
or do you want some *evidence* that it exists?

>>The Bible

By that "logic", I have a Stephen King novel on my bookshelf
that "proves" vampires exist, and another interesting book that
"proves" the existence of talking bears that sit in chairs, sleep
in beds, and eat porridge. Anyway, even supposing that the
bible constituted anything other than a bunch of demonstrably
false stories made up by a bunch of ignorant shepherds, I'd
think twice about using the bible as "proof" of your "god" if I were you -- the
"god" described in the xian bible is a psychotic,
genocidal sadist whom nobody with a shred of moral fiber
would tolerate, let alone worship.

, miracles,

Miracles? How intriguing! What sort of miracles?
Performed by whom? With what evidence or documentation?
A few years ago, a fellow came up with a "magic pill" which,
if you dropped it in your gas tank, would allow you to get
600 miles to the gallon. Since this could reasonably be
considered a "miracle", i.e., something beyond the capability
of science as we currently understand it, can we therefore conclude that the
guy was in fact "god", rather than just a
con artist? And what about all those Elvis sightings?

heaven,

A myth, and one ripped off from earlier cultures, at that.
Even supposing you could prove that "heaven" existed
(and we're all waiting with bated breath), why should
anyone believe it's the creation of *your* "god", rather
than Allah, Buddha, etc.?

the universe,

And we know *your* "god", rather than Allah or Buddha
or The Great Green Goo-Goo, or any one of a thousand
other supernatural beings created the universe because. . .
well, because you say so?

And we know that decades of combined research on the
parts of hundreds of scientists re the origins of the universe
are as nothing because . . .well, because you say so?

And we know that the universe didn't just somehow
spontaneously poof into being because that's impossible,
despite the fact that your "god" just somehow spontaneously
poofed into being?

creation,

So, if I'm to understand you, you're contending that your
fictitious deity exists, and offering as proof of this an equally
fictitious story (which, by the way, is contradicted by a vast
body of scientific and physical evidence) about how "he"
created something somewhere? You'll excuse me if I laugh.

etc. all are
>testimony to God.
>
>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

"Pass" the Second Law of Thermodynamics? What is it?
A pop quiz? Or "Go" on the Monopoly board?

Hey, but wait: all the bad things
>that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons

Well, now, make up your mind. Either:
1) Your "god" is all-powerful, and therefore can be blamed for all the evil in
the world because he, at best, allows evil to exist and
at worst, makes evil things happen;
OR
2) Another entity whom you refer to as Satan causes evil things
to happen in direct opposition to "god"'s will, and therefore, is
more powerful than your "god";
OR
3) Your supreme being suffers from multiple personality disorder,
and when he feels like wiping out an entire country with an
earthquake or giving a three-month-old infant some hideous
fatal disease, he puts on a red leotard and fake tail and pretends
to be his own "Evil Twin".

who
>even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.

Well, then, why doesn't your invisible buddy brainwash them
(I'm struggling valiantly not to say, "as he's apparently
brainwashed you"), or provide them with such compelling evidence that they
couldn't possibly fail to believe in him,
or simply make them cease to exist? Surely such things can't
be beyond the capabilities of any deity worth his salt.
After all, isn't he supposed to be omnipotent or something? Or does he just
need someone whom he can force to do his
dirty work for him, and then blame them for it?

>
>By the evidence:

What evidence would that be, again? I don't recall reading
anything in your post that remotely resembled evidence.

>God ......... infinity
>Atheists ..... zero

Yes, of course, dearie. Now go have your cookie and milk
and then it's time for your nice nap (with a tip of the princess
crown to Stix).

>
>
>
>
>
>

Rev Chuck

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Stix wrote:
>
> Claude Martins posted the following to alt.atheism:
>
> >"What fruit bat?"
> >"*Eric* the fruit bat."
> >"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
> >"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
> >had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."
>
> Spoken like a gentleman, Sir!
>
> <smiles at Landis>

>
> Stix
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
> "Mysticism is a disease of the mind."
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

And how many kids does George Foreman have named "George"?

Paul G. Wenthold

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Pioneer wrote:
>
> In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>
> > It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>
> So that atheists can talk to each other about things. If only it were
> possible without being pestered by irrational, nonsensical theists like
> yourself.
>
> > Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.
>
> Who says that athiests need to prove that any gods don't exist?
>
> I guess
> > the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>
> Really? None of us have found any.
>
> > The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> > testimony to God.
>
> Which god? And what about the religious texts and miracles from all the
> other religions?
>
> > The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
> > pass the second law of thermodynamics.
>
> Actually, neither have anythint to do with atheism. However, tha second law
> only pertains to closed systems - which the earth isn't. Thus, it doesn't
> apply to evolution.
>

Actually, the second law applies to all systems. However,
the requirement that dS > 0 only applies to closed/adiabatic
systems.

paul

Claude Martins

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On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:31:45 GMT, stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix)
wrote:

>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

Well, I'm not Czar, but here goes....

"What fruit bat?"
"*Eric* the fruit bat."
"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."

- Claude "No, he didn't" Martins.

--
Claude Martins, "Timberwolf", Dept of Comp Sci, York Univ, Ont, Canada
-= mailto:mar...@cs.yorku.ca && http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~martins/ =-
"Life _is_ pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling
something."
- Westley, The Princess Bride

Blackguard

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stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix) wrote:

> Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:
>

> >and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs
> > and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and
> >breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...
>
> What fruit bat?

ERIC the fruit bat!

Blackguard
#869

Stix

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Claude Martins posted the following to alt.atheism:

>"What fruit bat?"
>"*Eric* the fruit bat."
>"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
>"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
>had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."

Spoken like a gentleman, Sir!

Claude Martins

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On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:16:16 -0800, Rev Chuck <cd...@erols.com> wrote:

>And how many kids does George Foreman have named "George"?

Ans: all of them!

--
Claude Martins, "Timberwolf", Dept of Comp Sci, York Univ, Ont, Canada
-= mailto:mar...@cs.yorku.ca && http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~martins/ =-

"Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing.
Hope can drive a man insane."
- Red, The Shawshank Redemption

Van Isaac Anderson

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raven1 wrote:

> Jay L Cole wrote:
> > la...@talltwn.com wrote:

> > >It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
> >

> > That is because you are not too bright, and more than likely just a
> > simple troll.
> >

> > >Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess


> > >the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
> >

> > We don't, you need to prove he exists before you can enact laws and
> > freedom restrictions in his imaginary name. You assume atheist need
> > to prove anything, they aren't fighting 'god', they are fighting the
> > mindless followers of a mythology that are so convinced they are
> > right, they are willing to use force to prove it to you.
> >

> > >The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> > >testimony to God.
> >

> > Why? Because you say so?
> >

> > >The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

> > >pass the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, but wait: all the bad things
> >
> > What does evolution have to do with thermodynamics? Are you stating
> > the earth is a closed system?
> >
> > Second, have you discovered the contents of the universe to A ...
> > prove it is a closed system? B ... does not contain enough dark
> > matter to crunch back on itself eventually and cycle like everything
> > else in nature?
> >
> > And finally, what does all of this have to do with atheism. Evolution
> > and cosmology have nothing to do with no believing in sky buddies.
> > So, please stick to the subject at hand.
> >

> > >that happen in the world! Sorry, but that is Satan and the demons who


> > >even know God exists but chose to be on the losing side.
> >

> > >By the evidence:


> > >God ......... infinity
> > >Atheists ..... zero
> >

> > What evidence? I simply see claims...nothing else...hum typical fundy
> > troll. Has to be a troll.
>
> Not a very good one, though. It needs some misspellings and random caps,
> also Pascal's wager is nowhere to be found, although the
> misunderstanding of the second law of thermodynamics is a nice touch.
> I rate it about a 6.9 out of 10.

No way! A "D+"? It deserves at least a "C", just for having such an
incredible misunderstanding of relevancy. There are some points off for
good grammar and correct use of CAPS. I still think that you cannot
give it a lower grade than "C".

> > Jay Cole
>raven1

--
Van Isaac Anderson alt.atheist #716 WA
mailto:vani...@geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8250/mtime.htm

Rev Chuck

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(piggybacked)

> : > In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>
> : > > The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> : > > testimony to God.
> : >

They are testimony to human ignorance and gullibility.

DonnaCoyne

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>Subject: Re: Fighting something that doesn't exist
>From: Rev Chuck <cd...@erols.com>
>Date: Mon, Dec 8, 1997 16:16 EST
>Message-id: <348C63...@erols.com>

>
>Stix wrote:
>>
>> Claude Martins posted the following to alt.atheism:
>>
>> >"What fruit bat?"
>> >"*Eric* the fruit bat."
>> >"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
>> >"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
>> >had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."
>>
>> Spoken like a gentleman, Sir!
>>
>> <smiles at Landis>
>>
>> Stix
>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
>> "Mysticism is a disease of the mind."
>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
>
>And how many kids does George Foreman have named "George"?
>
>I believe he has five sons, all of whom are named "George".
No ego problems in THAT family, I guess!

>
>
>
>
>

Wayne Delia

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In <348C28...@ttacs.ttu.edu>, "Paul G. Wenthold" <qe...@ttacs.ttu.edu> writes:

>Pioneer wrote:
>>
>> In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>>
>> > It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
>>
>> So that atheists can talk to each other about things. If only it were
>> possible without being pestered by irrational, nonsensical theists like
>> yourself.
>>
>> > Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist.
>>
>> Who says that athiests need to prove that any gods don't exist?
>>
>> I guess
>> > the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
>>
>> Really? None of us have found any.
>>
>> > The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
>> > testimony to God.
>>
>> Which god? And what about the religious texts and miracles from all the
>> other religions?
>>
>> > The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>> > pass the second law of thermodynamics.
>>
>> Actually, neither have anythint to do with atheism. However, tha second law
>> only pertains to closed systems - which the earth isn't. Thus, it doesn't
>> apply to evolution.
>>
>
>Actually, the second law applies to all systems. However,
>the requirement that dS > 0 only applies to closed/adiabatic
>systems.

The theory of evolution is prohibited by the second law of thermodynamics,
as long as you ignore the 2.74 TRILLION KILOWATTS of energy received daily
from the sun. Apart from that, evolution is impossible.

Wayne Delia, red...@ibm.net, Atheist #61, MSTie #37634
"The difference between my interpretation and yours is that yours is wrong."
(Actual quote by me in an IBM business meeting that turned out to be correct.)


Shawn

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: Pioneer wrote:
: > In article <8814676...@dejanews.com>, la...@talltwn.com wrote:

: > > The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are

raven1

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Van Isaac Anderson wrote:
>
> raven1 wrote:
> > Jay L Cole wrote:
> > > la...@talltwn.com wrote:
>
> > > >It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.
> > >
> > > That is because you are not too bright, and more than likely just a
> > > simple troll.
> > >
> > > >Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess

> > > >the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.
> > >
> > > We don't, you need to prove he exists before you can enact laws and
> > > freedom restrictions in his imaginary name. You assume atheist need
> > > to prove anything, they aren't fighting 'god', they are fighting the
> > > mindless followers of a mythology that are so convinced they are
> > > right, they are willing to use force to prove it to you.
> > >
> > > >The Bible, miracles, heaven, the universe, creation, etc. all are
> > > >testimony to God.
> > >
> > > Why? Because you say so?
> > >
> > > >The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can

Ok, I'm feeling charitable today: 7.1, but no higher, since "atheist" is
spelled correctly.

>
> > > Jay Cole
> >raven1
>
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The Laughing Infidel

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Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
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On Sat, 06 Dec 1997 22:21:42 -0600, la...@talltwn.com saw fit to say:

>It is puzzling to me why an atheist newsgroup exists.

>Why are there people that need to prove that God doesn't exist. I guess
>the reason is that the evidence is clearly in favor of God existing.


On 1 Dec 97 03:32:01 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> saw fit
to say:

>I never could understand why people who profess there is no God spend so
>much time fighting what they do not believe in. No one wages war if there
>really is no enemy. Common athiests, brighten up.

Same person trolling? If so, get a fuckin' life.


>The Big Bang and evolution are the atheists trump cards but neither can
>pass the second law of thermodynamics.

What's scary is that many people really do think this is valid.

Landis D. Ragon

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Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
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mar...@cs.yorku.ca (Claude Martins) wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:31:45 GMT, stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix)
>wrote:
>


>>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:
>>
>>>Stix wrote:
>>

>>>>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:
>>
>>>>>and the Lord did grin and people did feast upon the lambs
>>>>> and sloths and carp and anchovies and orang-utans and
>>>>>breakfast cereals and fruit bats and...
>>
>>>>What fruit bat?
>>

>>>Huh? Lemon?
>>
>>Tsk. Czar, if you please:
>
>Well, I'm not Czar, but here goes....
>

>"What fruit bat?"
>"*Eric* the fruit bat."
>"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
>"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
>had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."
>

>- Claude "No, he didn't" Martins.
>

!doh! Oh, yeah... Sheesh... for punishment, I'll read one of
<nameless>'s posts. OK?

Email address has been munged to foil the spam-bots.
Please remove 'nothing.but.' from address to reply.

Landis D. Ragon

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stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix) wrote:

>Claude Martins posted the following to alt.atheism:


>
>>"What fruit bat?"
>>"*Eric* the fruit bat."
>>"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
>>"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
>>had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."
>

>Spoken like a gentleman, Sir!
>
><smiles at Landis>
>
>


The second thing you loose when you get old is your memory. I forget
what the first thing is.

Claude Martins

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Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:26:36 GMT, Landis...@ibm.nothing.but.net
(Landis D. Ragon) wrote:

>The second thing you loose when you get old is your memory. I forget
>what the first thing is.

That's easy: your memory, of course. The second thing is what slips
my mind....

Stix

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Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

>>"What fruit bat?"
>>"*Eric* the fruit bat."
>>"Are all your pets called 'Eric'?"
>>"There's nothing so odd about that--Kemal Ataturk
>>had an entire menagerie called 'Abdul'."

>>- Claude "No, he didn't" Martins.

>!doh! Oh, yeah... Sheesh... for punishment, I'll read one of
><nameless>'s posts. OK?

Ok.

Now, are you going to give me a fish license?

Stix

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Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
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Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:

>The second thing you loose when you get old is your memory. I forget


>what the first thing is.

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure, and I used to be
apathetic, but now I don't really care. I also used to have this bad habit
of trailing off in mid sentence, but now....oh, never mind.

Claude Martins

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Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:08:09 GMT, stixR...@oz-email.com.au (Stix)
wrote:

>Landis D. Ragon posted the following to alt.atheism:
>>

>>!doh! Oh, yeah... Sheesh... for punishment, I'll read one of
>><nameless>'s posts. OK?
>
>Ok.
>
>Now, are you going to give me a fish license?

You *are* a loony.

[looks at Stix' glowering eyes and flaring nostrils]

I was only quoting Python! I was only quoting Python!

Douglas & Jennie Jackson

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Dec 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/13/97
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In our last episode of [alt.atheism], Stix wrote:

> Now, are you going to give me a fish license?

Hmmm. Let me see what I can find...

[Finds a dog license, crosses out the word "dog" and writes "fish" in
crayon]

There you go! Oh, I also do cat licenses as well, and I've got my cat
detector van so watch it. :)

Non Serviam,
Doug (Atheist #274)

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Stix

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Dec 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/14/97
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Douglas & Jennie Jackson posted the following to alt.atheism:

>In our last episode of [alt.atheism], Stix wrote:

>> Now, are you going to give me a fish license?

> Hmmm. Let me see what I can find...

>[Finds a dog license, crosses out the word "dog" and writes "fish" in
>crayon]

> There you go! Oh, I also do cat licenses as well, and I've got my cat
>detector van so watch it. :)

The cat detector van from the Ministry of HousinJ?

(it was spelled like that on the van - I'm very observant)

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