Church attendance part of teen's probation

[J]

Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
only recourse.









http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/church-attendance-part-of-teen%E2%80%99s-probation







MUSKOGEE, OK - A 17-year-old from Muskogee, Oklahoma, has been sentenced
to attend church for 10 years as part of his probation for a
manslaughter conviction.

Tyler Alred was sentenced in Muskogee County District Court after
pleading guilty in August to first-degree manslaughter in the December
2011 auto accident that killed 16-year-old John Luke Dum. Alred cried
while apologizing to Dum's family in court and hugged Dum's father as
both began to sob.

Authorities say Alred registered 0.06 and 0.07 blood-alcohol content
after the crash. The legal limit is 0.08 -- but Alred's amount is
considered under state law to be driving under the influence of alcohol
because he's underage.

The teen's lawyer says the church requirement is unusual -- but he won't
challenge it.










--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

http://www.americandecency.org/

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> only recourse.

Learned how to be a crook at home and he'll learn
how to be a liar in church.

[Syd M.]

On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Normally, as an atheist,

You are NOT an atheist, pal.
All your RCC posts about the Pope confirm that.

PDW

[J]

Are you trying to play God, retard, telling people what they believe and
don't believe? Sounds like a theist to me.

[Syd M.]

On Nov 18, 4:13 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On 11/18/2012 1:07 PM, Syd M. wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> Normally, as an atheist,
>
> > You are NOT an atheist, pal.
> > All your RCC posts about the Pope confirm that.
>
> > PDW
>
> Are you trying to play God, retard, telling people what they believe and
> don't believe? Sounds like a theist to me.
>
>

I don't need to play god, loser.
You post so many articles praising the RCC that it's obvious you are
one of them.
Stop pretending, and stop trying to bully me off of here,
No matter what you insult me with, I'm not going away,

PDW

[Davej]

On Nov 18, 3:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence

Golly a Catholic atheist.

[W.T.S.]

In article <6487qf....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...

>
> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> only recourse.

All the Church teaches is filth, degeneracy, hate, bigotry, and lies.
>
> http://www.OneLiesNow.com/Propaganda/Lies/Disinformation/Bigotry/Hate/
>
<snip> Usual, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: A church can't tell the difference between right and wrong,
and certainly can't teach right from wrong. AA would've been a better
choice.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:13:16 -0800, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>On 11/18/2012 1:07 PM, Syd M. wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> Normally, as an atheist,
>>
>> You are NOT an atheist, pal.
>> All your RCC posts about the Pope confirm that.
>>
>> PDW

>
>Are you trying to play God, retard, telling people what they believe and
>don't believe? Sounds like a theist to me.

Finally starting to meltdown.

I'm laughing.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Dakota]

The kid isn't a crook. He had a few beers with his pals and drove into
a tree. It could have happened to me and my friends back in the day.
It was probably more likely back then because drinking and driving
wasn't a big deal. I remember several times when the cops pulled us
over, made us pour out our beers, and gave us a lecture but that was it.

If Pope loving J is an atheist, I'm the Loch Ness Monster.

[duke]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:24:21 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <6487qf....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>
>> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
>> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
>> only recourse.

>All the Church teaches is filth, degeneracy, hate, bigotry, and lies.

Yes you are.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[default]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:24:21 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
>> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
>> only recourse.
>All the Church teaches is filth, degeneracy, hate, bigotry, and lies.

"The teen's lawyer says the church requirement is unusual -- but he

won't challenge it. He said his client currently attends church
regularly."

Aha, there's his problem: "attends church regularly."

[Alan Ferris]

Maybe he will be lucky and get one of the many drunk driving priests. Then he
will learn how to use religion to avoid punishment next time.
--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[kolw...@astromail.com]

On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> only recourse.
>

> http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/church-attendance-part-of-teen%E2%...

>
> MUSKOGEE, OK - A 17-year-old from Muskogee, Oklahoma, has been sentenced
> to attend church for 10 years as part of his probation for a
> manslaughter conviction.
>
> Tyler Alred was sentenced in Muskogee County District Court after
> pleading guilty in August to first-degree manslaughter in the December
> 2011 auto accident that killed 16-year-old John Luke Dum. Alred cried
> while apologizing to Dum's family in court and hugged Dum's father as
> both began to sob.
>
> Authorities say Alred registered 0.06 and 0.07 blood-alcohol content
> after the crash. The legal limit is 0.08 -- but Alred's amount is
> considered under state law to be driving under the influence of alcohol
> because he's underage.

How could he learn decency at school or home
when motherfuckers like yourself put God and school
asunder push down our throat a debased form of freedoom
of religion

>
> The teen's lawyer says the church requirement is unusual -- but he won't
> challenge it.
>
> --
> J Young

> jdyou...@ymail.com
>
> http://www.americandecency.org/

[John Locke]

...or vice versa.

[Alan Ferris]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:14:58 -0800 (PST), kolw...@astromail.com wrote:

>>
>> Authorities say Alred registered 0.06 and 0.07 blood-alcohol content
>> after the crash. The legal limit is 0.08 -- but Alred's amount is
>> considered under state law to be driving under the influence of alcohol
>> because he's underage.
>
>How could he learn decency at school or home
>when motherfuckers like yourself put God and school
>asunder push down our throat a debased form of freedoom
>of religion

Because religion only teaches people to make excuses for their own errors whilst
pointing at and condemning errors in others.

The non-religious are far more tolerant of others because they tend to be honest
about their own faults rather than seeking to blame others for the ills of the
world,

[kolw...@astromail.com]

On Nov 19, 2:57 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:14:58 -0800 (PST), kolwe...@astromail.com wrote:
>
> >> Authorities say Alred registered 0.06 and 0.07 blood-alcohol content
> >> after the crash. The legal limit is 0.08 -- but Alred's amount is
> >> considered under state law to be driving under the influence of alcohol
> >> because he's underage.
>
> >How could he learn decency at school or home
> >when motherfuckers like yourself put God and school
> >asunder push down our throat a debased form of freedoom
> >of religion
>
> Because religion only teaches people to make excuses for their own errors whilst
> pointing at and condemning errors in others.
>
> The non-religious are far more tolerant of others because they tend to be honest
> about their own faults rather than seeking to blame others for the ills of the
> world,

GO AND TELL THAT TO THAT JUDGE AND NOT ME...
Maybe you should tell him that what he did was unconstitutional.
THE WHOLE CONSTITUTION HAS ITS PLACE IN THE TRASH CAN

[Bealle Wealle]

US constitution was written on George Washingtons crop, pot paper. United States Botanical Garden does not mention it once.

[Alan Ferris]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:28:34 -0800 (PST), kolw...@astromail.com wrote:

>On Nov 19, 2:57 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:14:58 -0800 (PST), kolwe...@astromail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> Authorities say Alred registered 0.06 and 0.07 blood-alcohol content
>> >> after the crash. The legal limit is 0.08 -- but Alred's amount is
>> >> considered under state law to be driving under the influence of alcohol
>> >> because he's underage.
>>
>> >How could he learn decency at school or home
>> >when motherfuckers like yourself put God and school
>> >asunder push down our throat a debased form of freedoom
>> >of religion
>>
>> Because religion only teaches people to make excuses for their own errors whilst
>> pointing at and condemning errors in others.
>>
>> The non-religious are far more tolerant of others because they tend to be honest
>> about their own faults rather than seeking to blame others for the ills of the
>> world,
>
>GO AND TELL THAT TO THAT JUDGE AND NOT ME...

Oh dear I seem to have upset you.

>Maybe you should tell him that what he did was unconstitutional.
>THE WHOLE CONSTITUTION HAS ITS PLACE IN THE TRASH CAN

Was it? Do you think people care more about it when you show you are unable to
use the shift key correctly when typing?

[Syd M.]

On Nov 19, 6:56 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:24:21 -0600, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >In article <6487qf.6la.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Liar.com says...

>
> >> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> >> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> >> only recourse.
> >All the Church teaches is filth, degeneracy, hate, bigotry, and lies.
>
> Yes you are.
>
>

Yes, you do.

PDW

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<53c0d034-9ee9-4f92...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Or, since you do hate it, why do you hate America?

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[linuxgal]

Dakota wrote:

> The kid isn't a crook. He had a few beers with his pals and drove into a
> tree. It could have happened to me and my friends back in the day. It
> was probably more likely back then because drinking and driving wasn't a
> big deal. I remember several times when the cops pulled us over, made us
> pour out our beers, and gave us a lecture but that was it.

That was before a lot of mothers got MADD at drunks.

--
Halftime at Circvs Maximvs, and the Lions lead the Christians 326-0

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:00:22 -0800, J wrote:

> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> only recourse.
>

Did he get to chose which religion?

[Mitchell Holman]

Malcolm McMahon <mal...@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote in news:k8qm8p$fal$5
@dont-email.me:

This would never pass legal review. The government
has no power, even police power, to compell someone to
participate in religion.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:28:01 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net>
wrote:

Why does the known religious loonie pretend to be an atheist?

[Syd M.]

On Nov 24, 12:15 pm, Christopher A. Lee <chrislee95...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:28:01 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net>
> wrote:
>

> >Malcolm McMahon <malc...@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote in news:k8qm8p$fal$5

> >@dont-email.me:
>
> >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:00:22 -0800, J wrote:
>
> >>> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> >>> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> >>> only recourse.
>
> >> Did he get to chose which religion?
>
> >     This would never pass legal review. The government
> >has no power, even police power, to compell someone to
> >participate in religion.
>
> Why does the known religious loonie pretend to be an atheist?

Prolly in a attempt to make us look bad.

PDW

[BroilJAB]

Clearly Obama knows that most Americans are not
accepting his fraud-packed 'Re-Election' and he even
claims to seek Revenge upon the mass of working whites.

"My campaign is all about REVENGE on white people!"

Buy a magnum pistol for your own self-defense.
Load up on ammo, exercise your full 2nd Amendment Rights.

[Mitchell Holman]

BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote in news:74cc77e9-7c29-4011-
85db-9bd...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:

Funny think about domestic insurrections
against the US government.

They always fail. Every time.

[Les]

The name of the game.

Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"For the assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to
knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.” Therefore, the
former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. "
- William Lane Craig, "Reasonable Faith"

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:29:32 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
<pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

He's seriously mentally ill - so obsessed with strangers who have done
him no harm that he has been stalking them for years.
>
>PDW

[Bill Graham]

The one they launched back in the 1770's didn't fail. And someday there will
be another one that doesn't fail, after we live under socialism for a
hundred years or more. It has to happen. It is only a question of time,
after millions of people suffer. The only problem with them is that they
come way too far apart.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
wrote:

There is no socialism in the US, and there are very few socialists.

[tirebiter]

On Nov 18, 4:07 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Normally, as an atheist,
>

> You are NOT an atheist, pal.
> All your RCC posts about the Pope confirm that.
>
> PDW

Forget any previous posts. J's claim that the church is a source of
decency proves he isn't an atheist.

---
a.a. #2273

[Mitchell Holman]

Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:ro62b89dijk7j62ti...@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
>>> news:74cc77e9-7c29-4011-
>>> 85db-9bd...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> Clearly Obama knows that most Americans are not
>>>> accepting his fraud-packed 'Re-Election' and he even
>>>> claims to seek Revenge upon the mass of working whites.
>>>>
>>>> "My campaign is all about REVENGE on white people!"
>>>>
>>>> Buy a magnum pistol for your own self-defense.
>>>> Load up on ammo, exercise your full 2nd Amendment Rights.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny think about domestic insurrections
>>> against the US government.
>>>
>>> They always fail. Every time.
>>
>>The one they launched back in the 1770's didn't fail.

That was launched BY the US government,
not against it.

Care to try again?

[Christopher A. Lee]

We knew that anyway - he's a mentally ill, pathologically obsessed
theist who has been stalking atheists in this group for many years.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:28:34 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net>
wrote:

No.

By colonists who wanted independence from the home country.

The US didn't come until later when the former colonies formed a
union.
> Care to try again?
>
>
>

[Mitchell Holman]

Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote in

news:i082b817k1ap4npin...@4ax.com:

The rebelling colonists formed a government,
created a legislature, elected politicians,
printed money, incurred and paid debts, sent
ambassadors abroad and negotiated treaties. It
was an American government.

[W.T.S.]

In article <74cc77e9-7c29-4011-85db-
9bdaf9...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, Design...@wmconnect.com
says...

> Then, shoot yourself in the head.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4

[Syd M.]

On Nov 24, 1:18 pm, Les <l...@sharnt.tell> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:29:32 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 24, 12:15 pm, Christopher A. Lee <chrislee95...@comcast.net>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:28:01 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Malcolm McMahon <malc...@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote in news:k8qm8p$fal$5
> >> >@dont-email.me:
>
> >> >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:00:22 -0800, J wrote:
>
> >> >>> Normally, as an atheist, I would oppose such a sentence but since this
> >> >>> kid didn't learn the lessons of decency at home or school, church is the
> >> >>> only recourse.
>
> >> >> Did he get to chose which religion?
>
> >> > This would never pass legal review. The government
> >> >has no power, even police power, to compell someone to
> >> >participate in religion.
>
> >> Why does the known religious loonie pretend to be an atheist?
>
> >Prolly in a attempt to make us look bad.
>
> The name of the game.
>
>

He's not fooling anyone sensible.

PDW

[Syd M.]

On Nov 24, 1:43 pm, Christopher A. Lee <chrislee95...@comcast.net>
wrote:

He's a jerk, yeah.

PDW

[Syd M.]

Good point.

PDW

[Bill Graham]

This is the big liberal lie. Call it what you will, but when the welfare
puppies outnumber the responsible people, the revolution will take
place.....

[Bill Graham]

It was launched by a bunch of British Citizens against their government, and
there is no reason why a bunch of US citizens can't launch another one
against their government. The lessons of history are there for anyone to
study. Only a fool ignores them.

[Bill Graham]

The primary law of the land (for all people) is the right of revolution. It
transcends all constitutions and other political documents and manifestos.

[Bill Graham]

Not until they won a war it wasn't. The right of revolution is the primary
law of the land.

[SkyEyes]

More likely trying to worm his way into our confidences by claiming to
be one of us. Would make it that much easier (he thinks) to sell his
misogynist agenda if we thought it came from an atheist.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:43:53 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

This is a typical paranoid lie.

Very few Americans even know what socialism is.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:50:11 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

Idiot.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:52:38 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

Cite, moron?

[Mitchell Holman]

"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in news:SL-
dnVB45ZaBLSzNn...@giganews.com:

Wrong. There are peaceful and prosperous
countries with FAR more people collecting
government benefits than the US. And far higher
taxes to pay for them, too.

[Fred^44]

"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
>> news:74cc77e9-7c29-4011-
>> 85db-9bd...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>>> Clearly Obama knows that most Americans are not
>>> accepting his fraud-packed 'Re-Election' and he even
>>> claims to seek Revenge upon the mass of working whites.
>>> "My campaign is all about REVENGE on white people!"
>>> Buy a magnum pistol for your own self-defense.
>>> Load up on ammo, exercise your full 2nd Amendment Rights.
>> Funny think about domestic insurrections
>> against the US government.
>> They always fail. Every time.
>The one they launched back in the 1770's didn't fail.

That was because the ruling class was removed from direct control of their
theofascist military, a mistake that was repeated countless times through
history but which no longer exists in the United States.

Rebellions and insurrections have not worked anywhere in the world in the
last 300 years despite uprisings in Russia and Egypt that are touted by
the Oligarchies as "revolutions." All Russia and Egypt did was swap out
the Oligarchy's puppets, leaving their Oligarchies in place.

If we could put bulklets through every Wall Street traitor's head, only
then could we have a succesful revolution in the United States or anywhere
in Europe, including the IMF Oligarchy ringleaders. Since we're all such
gutless cowards, that isn't going to happen.

[Bill Graham]

It is a prediction.

> Very few Americans even know what socialism is.

When the government takes over a wholke industry, (such as the medical
industry) it is, "socializing" that industry. When that happens, all
competition is removed from the industry. and it no longer has to compete
for money with its goods and services. All paople, reguardless of their
wealth get the same goods and services from that industry, and the society
is a little bit socialized. One by one, the government can do this (and will
do this) until most or all of the goods andf services in the society are
"provided" by government owned and or controlled "departments". This is
socialism in anybody's book. There is no incentive to start and succeed in
your own business since you would be competing with the government who will
always win. Furthermore, when the government runs everything, and provides
the citizenry with everything, all freedom to choose for onesself will go
away. You will have to take whatever the government deems best and most
efficient for you. You will live in their house, go to their schools. Take
the courses they deem "best" for you. Work at their factories, transport
yourself in their transportation systems, wear their uniforms and eat their
foods that are deemed to be, "healthy" for you. If this is the way you want
to live, then rotsa ruck! I personally would choose freedom, myself. I want
to be free to screw up my own life the way I choose, and not live for the
go9od of society like aqn ant in an ant colony. This is what I call,
"Socialism".

[Bill Graham]

And they are slowly going broke. In the first place they have been dependent
on us for all of the new inventions and developments of the modern world for
the last 50 years or more. so they aren't reqally succeeding on their own,
but have been using capitalism to survive and keep up with the rest of the
world. And, as I say, their, "from each accordint to his ability" 's are
drying up rapidly, and their, "to each according to his needs" 's are
increasing exponentially, just like it is here in the USA. As I said above,
it is only a question of time before they go broke, or go trillions of
dollars into debt as are we.

[Bill Graham]

How about Libiya? Didn't the rebels depose Khadafy? I think you should
rethink your position a bit. Rebellions don't alsays have to succeed 100% to
affect some useful change. Many times they accomplish some change or "part
change" by scaring th be-Jesus out of the people in charge.

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 25, 10:54 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:43:53 -0800, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net>

> > wrote:
>
> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:

> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:74cc77e9-7c29-4011-
> >>>>> 85db-9bdaf9d46...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:

Wrong. Look up a definition for "socialism" and stop depending on
your own prejudices. There are plenty of peaceful, free, happy
socialist countries that are doing quite well economically, and which
have much better social safety nets than the U.S. does nonetheless.
Look especially at Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Also Germany,
although they are socialist to a slightly lesser degree than the
Scandahoovians are.

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 25, 11:07 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:

> > "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote in news:SL-
> > dnVB45ZaBLSzNnZ2dnUVZ5vudn...@giganews.com:
>
> >> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:58:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:

>
> >>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>> BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:74cc77e9-7c29-4011-
> >>>>> 85db-9bdaf9d46...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>

Actually, they're *not*. I know that's a famous, and favorite
rightist trope, but it simply isn't true. Sweden, for instance, has
been socialist for about 100 years now, and their economy is
*roaring*. They're not even *close* to "slowing going broke."
Finland likewise. The Danes are also quite happy and well-adjusted
and SOCIALISTS. As a matter of fact, in a recent survey of "Happiness
Quotient," the Danes topped the list, even coming in ahead of the
Swedes, who are slightly richer on a per-capita basis than the Danes

[Bill Graham]

I neither know nor care what the, "classis" definitiuon of Socialism is. I
only know what it has done to my country during my lifetime, and I don't
like it. It takes away the incentive of our entrepreneurs to risk their time
and money in businesws persuits, and it takes away my freedom to stand on
my own two feet and live the way I want to live. IOW, it is unacceptable to
me. If you want to live that way, then go to one of these Scandinavian
countries and live there. But please leave my capitalism alone.

[Bill Graham]

When I was in Copenhagen back in the 80's there were many stores there and
they sold stuff just like they do here. So, what kind of socialism are you
talking about? Can somebody there buy himself good medical treatment like
they used to be able to do here? Or do they have to get in line behind a
hundred women with screaming children with the sniffles like we have to do
now? Copenhagen was full of Burger Kings. Do their owners get to keep any of
the money they make? Are their taxes less than 50%? Do they have sales taxes
(double taxation) like we have here in most states?

[Fred^44]

"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:

>Fred^44 wrote:
>> Rebellions and insurrections have not worked anywhere in the world in
>> the last 300 years despite uprisings in Russia and Egypt that are
>> touted by the Oligarchies as "revolutions." All Russia and Egypt did
>> was swap out the Oligarchy's puppets, leaving their Oligarchies in
>> place.

>How about Libiya? Didn't the rebels depose Khadafy? I think you should
>rethink your position a bit. Rebellions don't alsays have to succeed 100% to
>affect some useful change. Many times they accomplish some change or "part
>change" by scaring th be-Jesus out of the people in charge.

No, there was no revolution in Lybia. It doesn't matter that they
unseated a tyrant that has ruled for 30 years, the ruling Oligarchy
that ran Daffy are still in power, the World Bank, the International
Monetary Fund, the Wall Street corporations were not even touched.

[Bill Graham]

Well, now we are getting into the symantics of, "revolution". To each his
own, but there is something in any revolution for everybody. I still
maintain that it is the primary right of the people. (I have known several
political science professors who agree with me, too) Also, there is no
question that our country started via a revolution against the king of
England. (That's why they call it the "Revolutionary War.") If our
government was more intelligent and less corrupt, I might be persuaded to
agree that some kind of socialistic or ppartly socialistiuc state would
work. but it is not, and socialism has already shown itself to be a non
feasable system here in the US. I will speak out against it every chance I
get. It is a steal from the rich and give to the poor system that does
nothing for either one. It creates millions of welfare puppies and stifles
business start-ups... Bad news for everyone concerned. We have an inherently
invasive government that can't handle socialism. The main reason for this (I
believe) is our election by TV ads system that buys votes by promising
government give-away programs. We are fast becomong a nation of TV trained
idiots who will vote for anyone that promises them something for nothing. In
any case, I won't be around to help make it work, so, "Rotsa Ruck", as they
say.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:10:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

When has it ever been tried in the US?

Do you even understand what socialism is?

> I will speak out against it every chance I
>get. It is a steal from the rich and give to the poor system that does
>nothing for either one. It creates millions of welfare puppies and stifles
>business start-ups... Bad news for everyone concerned. We have an inherently
>invasive government that can't handle socialism. The main reason for this (I
>believe) is our election by TV ads system that buys votes by promising
>government give-away programs. We are fast becomong a nation of TV trained
>idiots who will vote for anyone that promises them something for nothing. In
>any case, I won't be around to help make it work, so, "Rotsa Ruck", as they
>say.

Lies noted.

[Bill Graham]

Opinions are not lies. Lies are statements perported to be facts which are
known untruths to the one stating them. I do not lie. I am opinionated, but
I fully believe everything I say.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:15:54 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

No. You didn't say it was just oopinion, you spoke as fact.

Now answer my questions.

[Bill Graham]

I guess you missed the "(I believe)" part.....

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:18:53 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

It wasn't in your original remarks. You only introduced the word to
weasel out of your "mistake".

[Bill Graham]

Everything that everyone w2rites on this forum is only their opinion. Even
when they cite references, those references are only ads good as the
opinions of the ones who generasted them in whatever forum they spoke. This
forum is/are the opinions of its posters. Get used to it. If you disagree
with anything I say, then refute it with your own opinions, but don't tell
me that I am "lying". I do not lie. I say it like I believe it to be. If you
can't refute what aAI say with logic, then contine to call me a liar, and I
will be only too glad to put you into my kill file as a useless arbiter of
what I say. IOW, either get down to the nitty-gritty of refutation, or
disappear from my scene.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:35:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

Everything _isn't_ opinion.

Perhaps it is for newbies, but old timers back things up.

[Bill Graham]

Is that a fact? Or is it just your opinion?

[deadrat]

Behold the exemplar of his time, homo ignoramus, the perfect Republican,
the perfect "conservative," the perfect partisan. For him, *everything*
is opinion, all disputes are clashes of opinions, and as long as he
believes what he says, then he's not telling porkies. Jon Stewart calls
that "living on Bullshit Mountain."

And anybody who calls him out for the abyssal ignoramus that he is will
go into his dreaded killfile.

Well, here follows an opinion. Let's take the law as ethical guidance.
If your error causes harm, then you're negligent if you knew you were
wrong or if you should have known. It has been explained to BG many
times what socialism is, that there are perfectly sound socialist
societies, and that whatever public risks we have socialized, the US is
not one of those. If he doesn't know he's wrong, then he should.

It won't stretch a point to call him a liar, no matter what he claims to
believe.

Remember, he claims to be against socialized programs while he snuffles
as much as he can get at the public trough.

So he's a hypocrite as well.

[m...@privacy.net]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:32:05 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
<pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Nov 24, 2:16 pm, tirebiter <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 4:07 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 18, 4:00 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Normally, as an atheist,
> >
> > > You are NOT an atheist, pal.
> > > All your RCC posts about the Pope confirm that.
> >
> > > PDW
> >
> > Forget any previous posts.  J's claim that the church is a source of
> > decency proves he isn't an atheist.
> >
> >
>
> Good point.
>
> PDW

J is delusional. He is an atheist that worships the Pope. LOL!

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <XnsA1164B4892D20...@216.196.121.131>,

Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net> wrote:
...
> Wrong. There are peaceful and prosperous
>countries with FAR more people collecting
>government benefits than the US. And far higher
>taxes to pay for them, too.

Shoosh! You're making them hurt.

Facts just annoy the cr*p out of these people.

--
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."

- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order -

[Mitchell Holman]

gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote in news:kd0u8c$hmg$2
@news.xmission.com:

> In article <XnsA1164B4892D20...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitchell Holman <nomailverizo.net> wrote:
> ...
>> Wrong. There are peaceful and prosperous
>>countries with FAR more people collecting
>>government benefits than the US. And far higher
>>taxes to pay for them, too.
>
> Shoosh! You're making them hurt.
>
> Facts just annoy the cr*p out of these people.
>

It is always fun to hear conservatives threaten to
leave the "socialist" US and move to Australia or Costa
Rica - countries with MORE socialism and MORE gun control
and MORE "burdensome regulations" than the US.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <XnsA148497DE35CE...@216.196.121.131>,
Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
...

> It is always fun to hear conservatives threaten to
>leave the "socialist" US and move to Australia or Costa
>Rica - countries with MORE socialism and MORE gun control
>and MORE "burdensome regulations" than the US.

Yeah, this came up a month or so ago, when some idiot pretend conservative
blogger chick threatened to move to Australia because of Obamacare. The
irony was completely lost on her.

And the funny thing is - you never hear them threaten to move to Somalia,
where they'd be completely happy. Libertarian paradise!

--
Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is
no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

- John Kenneth Galbraith -

[Mitchell Holman]

gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote in

news:kd133n$na3$2...@news.xmission.com:

> In article <XnsA148497DE35CE...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> ...
>> It is always fun to hear conservatives threaten to
>>leave the "socialist" US and move to Australia or Costa
>>Rica - countries with MORE socialism and MORE gun control
>>and MORE "burdensome regulations" than the US.
>
> Yeah, this came up a month or so ago, when some idiot pretend
> conservative blogger chick threatened to move to Australia because of
> Obamacare. The irony was completely lost on her.
>
> And the funny thing is - you never hear them threaten to move to
> Somalia, where they'd be completely happy. Libertarian paradise!
>

Conservatives love to make money out of
socialist countries and live with the benefits
of socialism all while whining about socialism.

What crybabies..........



"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did
anybody help me out? No."
Craig Nelson, Republican, Sept 2012

[Bill Graham]

I've been paying into their socialist programs all of my working life, and
when my son had his accident, and needed disability, could I get it for
him? - Hell no.

How's that for whining?

[deadrat]

Typical. You're all about self-reliance until you (or your son) needs
help. Then it's off to the government.

Tuna.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in

news:gfqdnUem5_k1w2nN...@giganews.com:

Maybe you should pull a "Palin" and dash across the
border for socialiast health care while complaining
about socialist health care.





"We used to hustle over the border for health care we
received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?"
-- Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get
treatment in Canada's single-payer health care system,
despite having demonized such government-run programs as
socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like
rationing, March 6, 2010

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <XnsA148A8B54C6E6...@216.196.121.131>,

Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
...

>"We used to hustle over the border for health care we
>received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?"
>-- Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get
>treatment in Canada's single-payer health care system,
>despite having demonized such government-run programs as
>socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like
>rationing, March 6, 2010

Wow! Republicans/TeaBaggers are hypocritical liars. Who'd a thunk?

Next thing you'll be telling me that water is wet...

--
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar...

Bartender says, "Hi, Mitt!"

[Dakota]

Why did they refuse to pay disability?

[Bill Graham]

Hey! It was their rules. They are the ones who stuck a gun in my ribs every
payday and took money out of my paycheck. Then when my son got into an
accident and couldn;t work, i applied for disability to the SS system. fter
all, the guy who lived next to me with 13 kidws was on disability because he
had a nervous condition that only showed up when he tried to work for a
living. But when I needed help for my son, he was turned down. After all, I
was only part of the work force who paid the God Damned government to
support all their give-away programs, so I didn't qualify for any
assistance.....

[Bill Graham]

Dakota wrote:
>> Typical. You're all about self-reliance until you (or your son)
>> needs help. Then it's off to the government.
>>
>> Tuna.

You have the attitude that just because I try to get some of my stolen stuff
back, that I must be happy that they stole it from me in the first place.
That is very stupid. I hate socialism. I believe that people should pay
their own way. For a variety of reasons. The freedom it givesw them is just
one of those reasons. But I was born into a half socialized eenvironment.
There is nothing zI can do about it. It is full of people like you who think
the government casn spend their money better than they can. So I am for4ced
to live by their stupid rules. There is nothing wrong with my trying to get
some of the perks that they are using my stolen money for. And just because
I do, that doesn't mean that I like the fact that they stole it from me in
the first place. After all, it is only because of people like me, who
woirked for a living for over 40 years that they have any money at all to
give away in the first place. Why shouldn't I try to get some of it back?

[deadrat]

On 1/15/13 12:59 AM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Dakota wrote:
>>> Typical. You're all about self-reliance until you (or your son)
>>> needs help. Then it's off to the government.
>>>
>>> Tuna.
>
> You have the attitude that just because I try to get some of my stolen
> stuff back, that I must be happy that they stole it from me in the first
> place.

Nothing was stolen from you. You live in a representative democracy,
and you get to vote for your own representatives. The country through
the collective representatives decided to tax people to fund a program
you didn't like until you could benefit from it. No one ways you had to
be happy then. Or that you can't be happy now. Just quit lying about a
theft that never happened.

> That is very stupid. I hate socialism.

Until, of course, you get to stuff yourself at the public trough. Then
you love it.

> I believe that people should pay their own way.

Except you. We're all paying your way now.

> For a variety of reasons. The freedom it
> givesw them is just one of those reasons. But I was born into a half
> socialized eenvironment. There is nothing zI can do about it.

How about having the common decency and courtesy to quit whining while
you stuff yourself at the public trough?

> It is full
> of people like you who think the government casn spend their money
> better than they can. So I am for4ced to live by their stupid rules.
> There is nothing wrong with my trying to get some of the perks that they
> are using my stolen money for.

None of your money was stolen. And no, there's nothing wrong with your
getting the perks you're entitled to. What's wrong is your constant
hypocritical whining about socialism while you take advantage of social
programs.

> And just because I do, that doesn't mean
> that I like the fact that they stole it from me in the first place.

No one stole anything from you. The country just demanded that you
accede to majority rule in funding its social policy. You don't have to
like it or agree with it. Just stop calling it theft.

> After all, it is only because of people like me, who woirked for a
> living for over 40 years that they have any money at all to give away in
> the first place. Why shouldn't I try to get some of it back?

Again. The law grants you your place at the public trough, so there's
nothing wrong with your taking that place. But while the rest of us
fund your sojourn there, how about you stop whining while you suck down
as much public largesse as you can cram into yourself?

[duke]

Noooooooo, that was the hollywood crowd saying that is George Bush won.

If you get away form the left wing rags like the NYTimes, you'd have known that.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[tirebiter]

On Jan 14, 9:01 am, gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
wrote:
> In article <XnsA148497DE35CEnomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

Actually she was on Twitter and "tweeted" something to the effect that
the Australian PRESIDENT was a CHRISTIAN MAN. She got over 100,000
replies explaining that Australia has a Parliamentary government with
a Prime Minister, who is an atheist woman. The girl had to cancel her
Twitter account due to the high traffic.

It scares me just how stupid some of these teabaggers are.

---
a.a. #2273

[Bill Graham]

K Wills wrote:

> Of course not. He was the one who needed to get it for himself,
> not you. You were free to help to a degree, but you could not actually
> get it for him.

>
>> How's that for whining?
>

> Kind of sad, really.

He was 17 when the accident occurred, and disability comes from the social
secrity earned by the head of househole, or the dependents provider.

He sahould have gotten it, but the process was so difficult that I couldn;t
do it and still hold down a job. The lawyers we hired to help us didn't.

[Bill Graham]

Robert Parker wrote:

> Get a lawyer to represent you in the appeals process. He/she will
> charge you a chunk of the first check. Lawyers write laws that will
> provide lawyers with a reason to work.

It is far too late now. He is pushing fifty. At the time, I did get a
lawyer. He did nothing for me. I supported my son until he was in his mid
thirties. Then, while working for the state in a temporary job, he met and
married a co-worker and they are both living on disability checks in a state
provided house n central Oregon. All I really know and can remember is that
I couldn't get a dime for him in disability, but that bum down the block got
the government to buy hjim a new car with the, "cash for clunkers" program.
God, how I hate the government. After IU die, I am going to first look up
and kill God, and then look up and kill everyone connected to the
governments. Both State and Federal. I will kill God for all the little
furry animals he starves and freezes to death every Winter, and the
government people for their thievery..... I will put those in my killfile
into homes for the mentally incompetent....:^)

[deadrat]

So you raised a freeloader and taught him socialism.

Nice.

> Then, while working for the state in a temporary job, he
> met and married a co-worker and they are both living on disability
> checks in a state provided house n central Oregon.

So he married a fellow freeloader.

Great.

> All I really know and
> can remember is that I couldn't get a dime for him in disability, but
> that bum down the block got the government to buy hjim a new car with
> the, "cash for clunkers" program.

The most he could have gotten was a voucher for $4500, you tuna.

> God, how I hate the government.

The same government that supports you as you suck the public teat for
all it's worth.

Go figure.

> After
> IU die, I am going to first look up and kill God, and then look up and
> kill everyone connected to the governments. Both State and Federal. I
> will kill God for all the little furry animals he starves and freezes to
> death every Winter, and the government people for their thievery..... I
> will put those in my killfile into homes for the mentally
> incompetent....:^)

Tuna.

[Bill Graham]

Robert Parker wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:56:40 -0800, "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net>

> Bill. I really feel sorry for you. But now I understand why it's
> because you are so stupid that you believe in a God and a heaven. I
> am puzzled because the local churches are expert at getting people on
> welfare, in fact many have a college educated social worker on staff
> to help believer do the paper work.

I am an atheist. A dedicated, uncompromising atheist. Mainly because the
universe is so obviously random that it couldn't possibly have been designed
by any even remotely logical mind.

[Bill Graham]

It is so typical of our liberal government that they give my money away to
those who don't deserve it, and have to depend on the churches to find those
who do deserve it in order to do even a close approximation to giving it to
the right people.... Whar a screwed up society we live in! What idiots you
liberals are! You don't believe that you are capable of giving your own
money away? The things I invest in are infinitely better that anything the
government ever invested in. The things I buy with my money are many times
more useful that anything the government ever bought with my tax dollars,
and even the charities I support are many times more efficient than those
the government supports, and I am surrounded by idiots who still think the
government can do no wrong and want them to handle all their financial
affairs for them....."What fools these taxpayers are."

[tirebiter]

On Jan 16, 4:12 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Bill Graham wrote:
> > Robert Parker wrote:

> >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:56:40 -0800, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net>

> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Robert Parker wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 22:39:37 -0800, "Bill Graham"
> >>>> <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Dakota wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/14/2013 1:47 PM, deadrat wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 1/14/13 1:38 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>news:kd133n$na3$2...@news.xmission.com:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>>>>> <XnsA148497DE35CEnomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Does it bother you that your taxes pays for roads that you will never
drive on?


---
a.a. #2273