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John Manning
Jul 26, 2012, 12:52:24 PM7/26/12
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New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
Members And NRA Leadership
Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns � Measures Opposed by the
NRA's Washington Office
Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
to U.S. gun laws.
The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
keep Americans safe.
Among the survey's key findings:
87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
criminals.
There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
purchasing a gun.
79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
checks on all employees � a measure recently endorsed by the
National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
firearms industry.
NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
loaded guns in public places.
By contrast, the NRA leadership's top federal legislative priority
� national reciprocity for concealed carry permits � would
effectively eliminate these requirements by forcing every state to
allow non-residents to carry concealed guns even if they would not
qualify for a local permit.
NRA members support many common state eligibility rules for
concealed carrying:
75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted
to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors,
including assault.
74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
have completed gun safety training.
68 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21
years of age or older.
The NRA rank and file also supports barring people
on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and
believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to
lost and stolen guns (65 percent).
The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures.
The Luntz findings are in line with previous research
showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support
for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy
firearms without a background check.
A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal
Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and
American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and
81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to
pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who
they but it from.
"Gun owners and NRA members overwhelmingly support common sense
steps to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, even as the
NRA leadership continues to oppose them," said Mayor Bloomberg.
"It's time for those in Washington � and those running
for President � to stand with gun owning citizens who are
concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
background checks for all gun sales � and to take other common
sense steps that will save lives."
"This poll shows plain and simply how seriously
out-of-step the leadership of the NRA is with its membership
� and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
for common sense gun laws in the U.S.," said Mayors Against
Illegal Guns Co-Chair and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.
"The best way to honor the memory of those who senselessly
lost their lives in Aurora is to make it harder for this to
ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead � and
we demand they act now."
The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
a margin of error of + 3 percent.
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-support-194600813.html
Joe Bruno
Jul 26, 2012, 7:46:27 PM7/26/12
to
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:52:24 AM UTC-7, John Manning wrote:
> New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns � Measures Opposed by the
> NRA's Washington Office
> New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns � Measures Opposed by the
>
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
> Among the survey's key findings:
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
>
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> checks on all employees � a measure recently endorsed by the
> National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> By contrast, the NRA leadership's top federal legislative priority
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> checks on all employees � a measure recently endorsed by the
> National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> � national reciprocity for concealed carry permits � would
> effectively eliminate these requirements by forcing every state to
> allow non-residents to carry concealed guns even if they would not
> qualify for a local permit.
>
> NRA members support many common state eligibility rules for
> concealed carrying:
>
> 75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted
> to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors,
> including assault.
>
> 74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> have completed gun safety training.
>
> 68 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
>
> 63 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21
> years of age or older.
>
> The NRA rank and file also supports barring people
> on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and
> believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to
> lost and stolen guns (65 percent).
>
> The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures.
> effectively eliminate these requirements by forcing every state to
> allow non-residents to carry concealed guns even if they would not
> qualify for a local permit.
>
> NRA members support many common state eligibility rules for
> concealed carrying:
>
> 75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted
> to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors,
> including assault.
>
> 74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> have completed gun safety training.
>
> 68 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
>
> 63 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21
> years of age or older.
>
> The NRA rank and file also supports barring people
> on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and
> believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to
> lost and stolen guns (65 percent).
>
>
> The Luntz findings are in line with previous research
> showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support
> for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy
> firearms without a background check.
>
> A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal
> Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and
> American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and
> 81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to
> pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who
> they but it from.
>
> "Gun owners and NRA members overwhelmingly support common sense
> The Luntz findings are in line with previous research
> showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support
> for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy
> firearms without a background check.
>
> A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal
> Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and
> American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and
> 81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to
> pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who
> they but it from.
>
> steps to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, even as the
> NRA leadership continues to oppose them," said Mayor Bloomberg.
>
> "It's time for those in Washington � and those running
> for President � to stand with gun owning citizens who are
> concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> background checks for all gun sales � and to take other common
> sense steps that will save lives."
> concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> background checks for all gun sales � and to take other common
>
> "This poll shows plain and simply how seriously
> out-of-step the leadership of the NRA is with its membership
> � and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
> for common sense gun laws in the U.S.," said Mayors Against
> � and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
> Illegal Guns Co-Chair and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.
>
> "The best way to honor the memory of those who senselessly
>
> lost their lives in Aurora is to make it harder for this to
> ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead � and
> we demand they act now."
> ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead � and
>
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-support-194600813.html
Yeah? Well, I'm an NRA member and nobody asked me.
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-support-194600813.html
You claim NRA leadership does alot of things, but you present no proof of any of it in the
form of votes or public statements.
WHY not???????????
HHW
Jul 27, 2012, 3:53:26 AM7/27/12
to
On 26 jul, 11:52, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns Measures Opposed by the
> New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> NRA's Washington Office
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
> Among the survey's key findings:
>
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> checks on all employees a measure recently endorsed by the
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
> Among the survey's key findings:
>
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> By contrast, the NRA leadership's top federal legislative priority
> national reciprocity for concealed carry permits would
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> By contrast, the NRA leadership's top federal legislative priority
> for President to stand with gun owning citizens who are
> concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> background checks for all gun sales and to take other common
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> sense steps that will save lives."
>
> "This poll shows plain and simply how seriously
> out-of-step the leadership of the NRA is with its membership
>
> "This poll shows plain and simply how seriously
> out-of-step the leadership of the NRA is with its membership
> and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
> for common sense gun laws in the U.S.," said Mayors Against
> Illegal Guns Co-Chair and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.
>
> "The best way to honor the memory of those who senselessly
> lost their lives in Aurora is to make it harder for this to
> ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead and
> for common sense gun laws in the U.S.," said Mayors Against
> Illegal Guns Co-Chair and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.
>
> "The best way to honor the memory of those who senselessly
> lost their lives in Aurora is to make it harder for this to
> we demand they act now."
>
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-suppo...
>
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
These bastards are misusing the dues and donations.
walt tonne
Jul 27, 2012, 8:40:54 AM7/27/12
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I will send a modest contribution to the NRA this am.
Stormin Mormon
Jul 27, 2012, 9:18:56 AM7/27/12
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You figure they may help preserve our God given right to keep and bear arms?
Christopher A. Young
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Jul 27, 2012, 10:57:19 AM7/27/12
to
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:52:24 AM UTC-7, John Manning wrote:
> New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns � Measures Opposed by the
> NRA's Washington Office
> Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> Members And NRA Leadership
>
> Gun Owners Believe Protecting Second Amendment Goes
> Hand-in-Hand with Keeping Guns Out of the Hands of Criminals
>
> Overwhelming Support for Background Checks for All Buyers;
> Barring Terror Suspects from Firearm Ownership, Requiring
> Reporting of Lost and Stolen Guns � Measures Opposed by the
>
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
> Among the survey's key findings:
>
> Yahoo News - Mayors Against Illegal Guns today released
> the findings of a survey by GOP pollster Frank Luntz showing
> that NRA members and gun owners overwhelmingly support a variety
> of laws designed to keep firearms out of dangerous hands, even
> as the Washington gun lobby prepares to spend unprecedented
> millions supporting candidates who pledge to oppose any changes
> to U.S. gun laws.
>
> The poll also dispels the myth among many Washington pundits
> that there is a lack of public support for common-sense measures
> that would help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and
> keep Americans safe.
>
>
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> checks on all employees � a measure recently endorsed by the
> National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> By contrast, the NRA leadership's top federal legislative priority
> 87 percent of NRA members agree that support for 2nd Amendment
> rights goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of
> criminals.
>
> There is very strong support for criminal background checks:
>
> 74 percent support requiring criminal background checks of anyone
> purchasing a gun.
>
> 79 percent support requiring gun retailers to perform background
> checks on all employees � a measure recently endorsed by the
> National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the
> firearms industry.
>
> NRA members strongly support allowing states to set basic
> eligibility requirements for people who want to carry concealed,
> loaded guns in public places.
>
> � national reciprocity for concealed carry permits � would
> effectively eliminate these requirements by forcing every state to
> allow non-residents to carry concealed guns even if they would not
> qualify for a local permit.
>
> NRA members support many common state eligibility rules for
> concealed carrying:
>
> 75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted
> to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors,
> including assault.
>
> 74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> have completed gun safety training.
>
> 68 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
>
> 63 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21
> years of age or older.
>
> The NRA rank and file also supports barring people
> on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and
> believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to
> lost and stolen guns (65 percent).
>
> The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures.
> effectively eliminate these requirements by forcing every state to
> allow non-residents to carry concealed guns even if they would not
> qualify for a local permit.
>
> NRA members support many common state eligibility rules for
> concealed carrying:
>
> 75 percent believe concealed carry permits should only be granted
> to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors,
> including assault.
>
> 74 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> have completed gun safety training.
>
> 68 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants who
> do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
>
> 63 percent believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21
> years of age or older.
>
> The NRA rank and file also supports barring people
> on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and
> believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to
> lost and stolen guns (65 percent).
>
>
> The Luntz findings are in line with previous research
> showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support
> for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy
> firearms without a background check.
>
> A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal
> Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and
> American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and
> 81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to
> pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who
> they but it from.
>
> "Gun owners and NRA members overwhelmingly support common sense
> The Luntz findings are in line with previous research
> showing that Americans are nearly unanimous in their support
> for closing loopholes that allow dangerous people to buy
> firearms without a background check.
>
> A January 2011 poll conducted for Mayors Against Illegal
> Guns by the bipartisan polling team of Momentum Analysis and
> American Viewpoint found that 86 percent of Americans and
> 81 percent of gun owners support requiring all gun buyers to
> pass a background check, no matter where they buy a gun or who
> they but it from.
>
> steps to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, even as the
> NRA leadership continues to oppose them," said Mayor Bloomberg.
>
> "It's time for those in Washington � and those running
>
> for President � to stand with gun owning citizens who are
> concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> background checks for all gun sales � and to take other common
> sense steps that will save lives."
> concerned about public safety, rather than influence peddling
> lobbyists who are obsessed with ideology. I join with NRA members
> in urging Washington to pass a law requiring universal
> background checks for all gun sales � and to take other common
>
> "This poll shows plain and simply how seriously
> out-of-step the leadership of the NRA is with its membership
> � and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
> for common sense gun laws in the U.S.," said Mayors Against
> � and how, despite what previous polls say, there really is support
> Illegal Guns Co-Chair and Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.
>
> "The best way to honor the memory of those who senselessly
>
> lost their lives in Aurora is to make it harder for this to
> ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead � and
> we demand they act now."
> ever happen again. Our political leaders need to lead � and
>
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-support-194600813.html
John, did you really say that you want rape to be an Olympic event? How do they determine the winner of the gold medal?
> The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-support-194600813.html
Andy W
Jul 27, 2012, 1:09:26 PM7/27/12
to
On Jul 27, 12:46 am, Joe Bruno <ajta...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:52:24 AM UTC-7, John Manning wrote:
> > New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> > Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> > Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> > Members And NRA Leadership
>
<snip>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:52:24 AM UTC-7, John Manning wrote:
> > New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
> > Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
> > Exposing Significant Divide Between Rank-And-File
> > Members And NRA Leadership
>
>
> > The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> > May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> > or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> > a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/poll-nra-members-frank-luntz-shows-strong-suppo...
> > The Luntz poll of 945 gun owners nationwide was conducted in
> > May 2012 and was divided evenly by gun owners who were current
> > or lapsed members of the NRA and non-NRA gun owners. The poll has
> > a margin of error of + 3 percent.
>
>
> Yeah? Well, I'm an NRA member and nobody asked me.
It says they asked less than 500 NRA members, and there are, what, 4.5
> Yeah? Well, I'm an NRA member and nobody asked me.
million of them? So you aren't alone.
So how would you have responded?
>
> You claim NRA leadership does alot of things, but you present no proof of any of it in the
> form of votes or public statements.
>
> WHY not???????????
Andy
duke
Jul 27, 2012, 1:44:44 PM7/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:52:24 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
>Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
We have that now. You retards make it sound like something new.
>New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
>Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
The dukester, American - American
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democracy in America as we know it. Let the
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ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
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Stormin Mormon
Jul 27, 2012, 2:04:54 PM7/27/12
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I think it would be common sense to repeal the gun control acts of 1968, and
of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
issued) to be outlawed.
of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
issued) to be outlawed.
Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
Jul 27, 2012, 2:26:29 PM7/27/12
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In article <6rk5181bkidfhcfd9...@4ax.com>, duke says...
armed with weaponry with military-grade killing power save lives.
>
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:52:24 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
>>Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
>
>We have that now. You retards make it sound like something new.
>
>The dukester, American - American
You're so right. They never publicize the cases where citizens
>On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:52:24 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>>New Poll Of NRA Members By GOP Pollster Frank Luntz
>>Shows Strong Support For Common-Sense Gun Laws,
>
>We have that now. You retards make it sound like something new.
>
>The dukester, American - American
armed with weaponry with military-grade killing power save lives.
Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
Jul 28, 2012, 12:01:47 AM7/28/12
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In article <LPAQr.238179$Lh2....@news.usenetserver.com>, Stormin Mormon
says...
And, considering that the Constitution says "arms"
and not "guns" -- and "arms" can be any weapon,
after all -- do you advocate for changing "arms" to "guns"
in the Constitution, or do you think that the government
ought to be banned as well from regulating grenade launchers,
bazookas, SCUD missiles, nuclear warheads, napalm,
chemical weapons. If you do think these other arms ought
to be banned, please explain why.
says...
>
>I think it would be common sense to repeal the gun control acts of 1968, and
>of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
>issued) to be outlawed.
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
>.
What is "common sense" about what you are proposing?
>I think it would be common sense to repeal the gun control acts of 1968, and
>of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
>issued) to be outlawed.
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
>.
And, considering that the Constitution says "arms"
and not "guns" -- and "arms" can be any weapon,
after all -- do you advocate for changing "arms" to "guns"
in the Constitution, or do you think that the government
ought to be banned as well from regulating grenade launchers,
bazookas, SCUD missiles, nuclear warheads, napalm,
chemical weapons. If you do think these other arms ought
to be banned, please explain why.
Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 9:57:08 AM7/28/12
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On 27 Jul 2012 21:01:47 -0700, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
<Lydig_...@newsguy.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Not to mention that the entire amendment screams for _prior restraint_
with the purpose clause -- a well-regulated militia. If you aren't in
the militia, you don't have the constitutionally protected right to bear
arms.
<Lydig_...@newsguy.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
with the purpose clause -- a well-regulated militia. If you aren't in
the militia, you don't have the constitutionally protected right to bear
arms.
Stormin Mormon
Jul 28, 2012, 10:23:25 AM7/28/12
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At the time this was written, the militia (remember, we are a nation of the
people, for the people, by the people) was all military capable males, with
the exception of some politician. And they were expected to provide their
own guns.
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:rqr718lrbsdus3hcl...@4ax.com...
people, for the people, by the people) was all military capable males, with
the exception of some politician. And they were expected to provide their
own guns.
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:rqr718lrbsdus3hcl...@4ax.com...
Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 10:29:09 AM7/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:23:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>At the time this was written, the militia (remember, we are a nation of the
>people, for the people, by the people) was all military capable males, with
>the exception of some politician. And they were expected to provide their
>own guns.
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
militia, they have no right to bear arms.
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>At the time this was written, the militia (remember, we are a nation of the
>people, for the people, by the people) was all military capable males, with
>the exception of some politician. And they were expected to provide their
>own guns.
>
>Christopher A. Young
>Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
militia, they have no right to bear arms.
HVAC
Jul 28, 2012, 10:56:52 AM7/28/12
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On 7/28/2012 10:29 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
>
> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
>
>
> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
Bert
Jul 28, 2012, 11:07:31 AM7/28/12
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In news:rnt718lgc1767lru2...@4ax.com Free Lunch
Where do you gun nuts come up with this nonsense?
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Where do you gun nuts come up with this nonsense?
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Stormin Mormon
Jul 28, 2012, 11:07:08 AM7/28/12
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It's a shame that people like you exist. I wonder how this great nation got
so bad?
news:rnt718lgc1767lru2...@4ax.com...
so bad?
news:rnt718lgc1767lru2...@4ax.com...
Stormin Mormon
Jul 28, 2012, 11:07:38 AM7/28/12
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I suspect F.L. wants only the government to have guns.
.
"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jv0uiq$d8b$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
.
"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 11:55:54 AM7/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:56:52 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism:
>On 7/28/2012 10:29 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>
>>
>> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
>> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>
>So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
I am for a well-regulated militia, just as the Constitution prescribes.
alt.atheism:
>On 7/28/2012 10:29 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>
>>
>> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
>> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>
>So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 11:56:40 AM7/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:07:38 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>I suspect F.L. wants only the government to have guns.
Your suspicion is false.
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>I suspect F.L. wants only the government to have guns.
Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 11:56:57 AM7/28/12
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On 28 Jul 2012 15:07:31 GMT, Bert <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in
alt.atheism:
>In news:rnt718lgc1767lru2...@4ax.com Free Lunch
><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
>> If they are not in the militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>>
>
>Where do you gun nuts come up with this nonsense?
Second Amendment.
alt.atheism:
>In news:rnt718lgc1767lru2...@4ax.com Free Lunch
><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
>> If they are not in the militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>>
>
>Where do you gun nuts come up with this nonsense?
HVAC
Jul 28, 2012, 12:29:16 PM7/28/12
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Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 12:42:58 PM7/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:29:16 -0400, HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism:
>On 7/28/2012 11:55 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:56:52 -0400, HVAC<mr....@gmail.com> wrote in
>> alt.atheism:
>>
>>> On 7/28/2012 10:29 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
>>>> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>>>
>>> So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
>>
>> I am for a well-regulated militia, just as the Constitution prescribes.
>
>
>OK...I'll put you down in the 'yes' column.
Really? Since when are reactionary sociopaths "well regulated"?
>On 7/28/2012 11:55 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:56:52 -0400, HVAC<mr....@gmail.com> wrote in
>> alt.atheism:
>>
>>> On 7/28/2012 10:29 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then they need training and continuing practice. If they are not in the
>>>> militia, they have no right to bear arms.
>>>
>>> So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
>>
>> I am for a well-regulated militia, just as the Constitution prescribes.
>
>
>OK...I'll put you down in the 'yes' column.
HVAC
Jul 28, 2012, 1:00:48 PM7/28/12
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On 7/28/2012 12:42 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
>>>> So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
>>>
>>> I am for a well-regulated militia, just as the Constitution prescribes.
>>
>>
>> OK...I'll put you down in the 'yes' column.
>
> Really? Since when are reactionary sociopaths "well regulated"?
OK. I'll move you over into the 'no' category.
>
>>>> So you are in favor of these far right 'militia' groups?
>>>
>>> I am for a well-regulated militia, just as the Constitution prescribes.
>>
>>
>> OK...I'll put you down in the 'yes' column.
>
> Really? Since when are reactionary sociopaths "well regulated"?
Bert
Jul 28, 2012, 1:15:20 PM7/28/12
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In news:1u281817rh1oc2bi3...@4ax.com Free Lunch
Have someone who understands English and knows a bit of American history
explain it to you some time.
explain it to you some time.
Just Wondering
Jul 28, 2012, 7:30:40 PM7/28/12
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On 7/28/2012 7:57 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
> If you aren't in the militia, you don't have the constitutionally
> protected right to bear arms.
That is absolutely false. The Supreme Court has held the right is an
> If you aren't in the militia, you don't have the constitutionally
> protected right to bear arms.
individual right, not a right restricted to members of a militia.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf
Just Wondering
Jul 28, 2012, 7:33:48 PM7/28/12
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http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf
The right to bear arms is not a collective right of the militia. It is
an individual right that every U.S. citizen has, whether or not they
belong to a militia.
Free Lunch
Jul 28, 2012, 11:16:48 PM7/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:33:48 -0600, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net>
wrote in alt.atheism:
I'm just looking at the literal meaning of the amendment as our
reactionary friends claim they want us to do.
wrote in alt.atheism:
reactionary friends claim they want us to do.
Mike Painter
Jul 28, 2012, 11:59:43 PM7/28/12
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bit strange,
Just Wondering
Jul 29, 2012, 5:34:19 AM7/29/12
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otherwise.
Just Wondering
Jul 29, 2012, 5:45:21 AM7/29/12
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constitutional recognition of some (not all, as the 9th Amendment makes
clear) of the most important INDIVIDUAL rights. Yes, it begins with a
reference to a militia, but the operative language says "the right of
the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." And who are
"the people"? Obviously, "the people" are not limited to active
militia. They are the same "We the People of the United States" who
"do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of
America. " Thus, using standard English rules of construction, the
literal meaning of the amendment does not limit the right to militia
members.
Free Lunch
Jul 29, 2012, 9:41:41 AM7/29/12
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:59:43 -0700, Mike Painter
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
The Court hasn't been saying much about the Second Amendment until
fairly recently. I'm having more fun with the original intent/literalist
folks who have no idea what the Constitution actually says or what the
intent was or how the Court has dealt with the entire constitution since
it began. Even alleged originalists like Scalia never are, they are just
using originalism as a justification for their conclusion.
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
fairly recently. I'm having more fun with the original intent/literalist
folks who have no idea what the Constitution actually says or what the
intent was or how the Court has dealt with the entire constitution since
it began. Even alleged originalists like Scalia never are, they are just
using originalism as a justification for their conclusion.
Free Lunch
Jul 29, 2012, 9:42:31 AM7/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:45:21 -0600, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net>
"The people" is a collective noun.
John Manning
Jul 29, 2012, 12:27:58 PM7/29/12
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The founding fathers were (gasp) *socialists* !?!?!?!
dsharavi
Jul 29, 2012, 12:34:29 PM7/29/12
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Wow.
Free Lunch
Jul 29, 2012, 12:42:51 PM7/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:27:58 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br>
wrote in alt.atheism:
All of the good ideas of community are mocked by our reactionary
right-wing friends because in their confused mindes anything we do
together as a nation is somehow evil socialism.
wrote in alt.atheism:
right-wing friends because in their confused mindes anything we do
together as a nation is somehow evil socialism.
John Manning
Jul 29, 2012, 1:31:05 PM7/29/12
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don't have a clue what authentic, regulated by "We the People",
capitalist/socialism really is.
They've been endlessly and relentlessly propagandized by
the *FULLY SELF-SERVING* corporate/wealthy sponsored right wing
Big Money Goebbels' style propaganda machine (whom they actually
look up to, admire, and consider to be their 'authorities') who equate
socialism with Soviet style communism.
And because of their pathetic grovelling gullibility, they easily
swallow the lies of their masters and totally fail to recognize
- *or to even consider* - the glaring outstanding national successes
of 'socialism' in, for example, some of the Scandinavian nations.
Mike Painter
Jul 29, 2012, 2:51:19 PM7/29/12
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On 7/29/2012 2:45 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>
> The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. It is a
> constitutional recognition of some (not all, as the 9th Amendment makes
> clear) of the most important INDIVIDUAL rights. Yes, it begins with a
> reference to a militia, but the operative language says "the right of
> the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." And who are
> "the people"? Obviously, "the people" are not limited to active
> militia. They are the same "We the People of the United States" who
> "do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of
> America. " Thus, using standard English rules of construction, the
> literal meaning of the amendment does not limit the right to militia
> members.
It's one sentence.
>>
> The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. It is a
> constitutional recognition of some (not all, as the 9th Amendment makes
> clear) of the most important INDIVIDUAL rights. Yes, it begins with a
> reference to a militia, but the operative language says "the right of
> the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." And who are
> "the people"? Obviously, "the people" are not limited to active
> militia. They are the same "We the People of the United States" who
> "do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of
> America. " Thus, using standard English rules of construction, the
> literal meaning of the amendment does not limit the right to militia
> members.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed."
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state," is a subordinate clause.
The rules you want to use say that "the right of the people to keep and
bear arms shall not be infringed" is part of a single sentence and that
it could be written as
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
BECAUSE a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free
state."
But perhaps you think the people who wrote this were stupid?
Why else would they write what they did when they could have said.
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
And why are you guys so quiet about *real* weapons?
Perhaps it's because the recent move towards seeing guns as they are, a
health hazard might lead to taxation of all weapons, not just machine guns.
Mike Painter
Jul 29, 2012, 2:53:27 PM7/29/12
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On 7/29/2012 9:27 AM, John Manning wrote:
>> "The people" is a collective noun.
>>
>
> Collective? "We the People *COLLECTIVELY* ? You mean socialism???
> The founding fathers were (gasp) *socialists* !?!?!?!
>
Had medicine in 1812 been much use, Life, health, liberty, and the
>> "The people" is a collective noun.
>>
>
> Collective? "We the People *COLLECTIVELY* ? You mean socialism???
> The founding fathers were (gasp) *socialists* !?!?!?!
>
pursuit of happiness might have been the way it was written.
dsharavi
Jul 29, 2012, 2:52:15 PM7/29/12
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On Jul 29, 10:31 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> No doubt about it. Those "reactionary right-wing friends"
> don't have a clue what authentic, regulated by "We the People",
> capitalist/socialism really is.
Neither does phony leftist John Manning.
> No doubt about it. Those "reactionary right-wing friends"
> don't have a clue what authentic, regulated by "We the People",
> capitalist/socialism really is.
Rockinghorse Winner
Jul 30, 2012, 10:41:43 AM7/30/12
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* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2012 21:01:47 -0700, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
> <Lydig_...@newsguy.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>In article <LPAQr.238179$Lh2....@news.usenetserver.com>, Stormin Mormon
>>says...
>>>
>>>I think it would be common sense to repeal the gun control acts of 1968, and
>>>of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
>>>issued) to be outlawed.
>>What is "common sense" about what you are proposing?
>>
>>And, considering that the Constitution says "arms"
>>and not "guns" -- and "arms" can be any weapon,
>>after all -- do you advocate for changing "arms" to "guns"
>>in the Constitution, or do you think that the government
>>ought to be banned as well from regulating grenade launchers,
>>bazookas, SCUD missiles, nuclear warheads, napalm,
>>chemical weapons. If you do think these other arms ought
>>to be banned, please explain why.
>
> Not to mention that the entire amendment screams for _prior restraint_
> with the purpose clause -- a well-regulated militia. If you aren't in
the 2nd Ammendment has always been interpreted as an individual right. It's
never in the 200 year history of the US been interpreted as anything _but._
Terry
--
"Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls |/
drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own |/ Gentoo Linux
despair, against our will, comes wisdom through |/
the awful grace of God." -Aeschylus |/
Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2012 21:01:47 -0700, Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer
> <Lydig_...@newsguy.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>In article <LPAQr.238179$Lh2....@news.usenetserver.com>, Stormin Mormon
>>says...
>>>
>>>I think it would be common sense to repeal the gun control acts of 1968, and
>>>of 1934. Also, to make prior restraint (requiring government permits to be
>>>issued) to be outlawed.
>>What is "common sense" about what you are proposing?
>>
>>And, considering that the Constitution says "arms"
>>and not "guns" -- and "arms" can be any weapon,
>>after all -- do you advocate for changing "arms" to "guns"
>>in the Constitution, or do you think that the government
>>ought to be banned as well from regulating grenade launchers,
>>bazookas, SCUD missiles, nuclear warheads, napalm,
>>chemical weapons. If you do think these other arms ought
>>to be banned, please explain why.
>
> Not to mention that the entire amendment screams for _prior restraint_
> with the purpose clause -- a well-regulated militia. If you aren't in
> the militia, you don't have the constitutionally protected right to bear
> arms.
Not at all, according to the SCOTUS. It's not a conditional clause. Besides,
> arms.
the 2nd Ammendment has always been interpreted as an individual right. It's
never in the 200 year history of the US been interpreted as anything _but._
Terry
--
"Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls |/
drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own |/ Gentoo Linux
despair, against our will, comes wisdom through |/
the awful grace of God." -Aeschylus |/
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