Atheist Quarterback

[HVAC]

What if the next big quarterback was everything Tim Tebow wasn’t? A
bonafide anti-Tebow. More direct than personable. More self-assured than
humble. An atheist — as boastfully irreligious as Tim Tebow is pious.
Would the same nation with stadium churches and creationist textbooks be
able to embrace the avid non-believer?

Atheists as a whole are one of the more silent minorities in this
country. You can believe that the liberal left has started a war on
Christmas or feel too much evolutionary science is taught in public
schools, but the facts remain: religious groups still hold tremendous
amounts of power and influence in America and aren’t threatened too
seriously by any backlash from non-believers. Nobody in the national
conversation has discussed repealing the tax breaks on places of
worship, for instance. And while statistically only 2% of people in
America identify themselves as “Atheist”, 9% say they do not believe in
God and 16% of us declare to “have no religious affiliation”. This
number, too, is probably deflated as many of these surveys use a broad
brush when drawing lines between non-religious groups. Some have gone to
suffice that nearly 20% of the US population do not participate in religion.

Yet, as some of the numbers indicate, “coming out” and flatly
proclaiming one’s atheism can be damning to both social standing and
personal relationships. As many as 1 in 5 Americans today may be
indifferent to God, but many to most of these people will never describe
themselves as atheist. It’s comparable to the the 30 percent of
self-proclaimed “Independents” in this country (only 1 percent of the
population didn’t vote Democrat or Republican in the 2008 Presidential
election).

Atheism in many ways is different to people than simply being a member
of another faith. It thumbs its nose at EVERYONE’S ideas, and while
believing in an entirely separate God, tenants, and creation story is
essentially the same thing, atheism maintains an inescapable perception
of smugness.

It should be noted, too, that race and culture would play a tremendous
role in how an atheist quarterback would be received. Given that the NFL
is 65% black, and that blacks are statistically more likely to identify
with religion than whites, chances are a non-believing NFL player would
have a more difficult time than, say, an HR Manager for a racially
diverse pharmaceutical company. Compound that with the prevalence of
both football and religion in the south and you have a scale heavily
tipped against someone of no faith. As a Black American with many family
connections in the south, I can attest first-hand to how deeply and
directly religion ties into people’s lives. I’ve had gay relatives come
out of the closet; I’d imagine someone coming out as “atheist” to be as
difficult if not more so in some families.

There would be so many more unfamiliar and uncomfortable roads to cross
with a non-believer at the helm of an NFL team. How would his teammates
react to his admission? How does an atheist exist in the world of
inspirational Jesus-related pregame speeches and post-game prayer
circles? Would his own hometown fans even accept him?

What do you think?






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[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:19:10 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>
>
>What if the next big quarterback was everything Tim Tebow wasn’t? A
>bonafide anti-Tebow. More direct than personable. More self-assured than
>humble. An atheist — as boastfully irreligious as Tim Tebow is pious.
>Would the same nation with stadium churches and creationist textbooks be
>able to embrace the avid non-believer?

They probably wouldn't have him on the team.

It's all about being a team player - and when the rest of the team are
religious rednecks an open atheist simply wouldn't fit in, no matter
how good a quarterback he was.

They encourage religion as something to bind them together, just like
the military does even though that is illegal.

[Big Dog]

On 11/2/2012 3:19 PM, HVAC wrote:

>
> What do you think?
>

I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.

[HVAC]

So?

[Big Dog]

On 11/2/2012 3:57 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 11/2/2012 4:35 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>> On 11/2/2012 3:19 PM, HVAC wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.
>>
>
>
> So?
>

So why did you post it to sci.physics?
As opposed to alt.binaries.masturbation?

[bja...@iwaynet.net]

On 11/2/2012 3:19 PM, HVAC wrote:

> Atheism in many ways is different to people than simply being a member
> of another faith. It thumbs its nose at EVERYONE’S ideas, and while
> believing in an entirely separate God, tenants, and creation story is
> essentially the same thing, atheism maintains an inescapable perception
> of smugness.
>

> What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
>

ACDC, I think you are proselytizing the Atheist religion and trying to
cover that fact. Atheism IS a system of belief. Considering yourselves
superior because your beliefs thumb their nose at the beliefs of others
is clearly no different than ANY religion! You atheists never thumb your
nose at the beliefs of OTHER ATHEISTS. And that's where your logic falls
apart, Harlow. It's all an arrogant house of cards, ready to fall down
with first strong wind of scientific non-supporting facts. But when
faced with fact, like all religions you simply stick your fingers in
your ears and sing: "La La La La, I can't HEAR YOU!"

Low wit idiot.

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 5:04 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>
>>> I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So?
>>
>
> So why did you post it to sci.physics?

It interested me.


> As opposed to alt.binaries.masturbation?


Sorry that I must reject your homosexual advances.
Have you tried hitting on Brad Goth?

[Frank Galikanokus]

Big Dog wrote:
>
> On 11/2/2012 3:57 PM, HVAC wrote:
> > On 11/2/2012 4:35 PM, Big Dog wrote:
> >> On 11/2/2012 3:19 PM, HVAC wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.
> >>
> >
> >
> > So?
> >
>
> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
> As opposed to alt.binaries.masturbation?

LOL

Good one!

JAM

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 5:14 PM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>
> ACDC, I think you are proselytizing the Atheist religion and trying to
> cover that fact. Atheism IS a system of belief.

I don't put myself in the category of an atheist. I just don't believe
in god any more than I believe in ghosts and leprechauns. I have friends
that are atheists...To me they spend WAY too much of their time thinking
about god and being influenced by religious subjects. I'm just
not a believer. Simple as that.

> Considering yourselves
> superior because your beliefs thumb their nose at the beliefs of others
> is clearly no different than ANY religion!

You must be used to that feeling by now, BJ.

> You atheists never thumb your
> nose at the beliefs of OTHER ATHEISTS.

Do you ever read what I write?

> And that's where your logic falls
> apart, Harlow. It's all an arrogant house of cards, ready to fall down
> with first strong wind of scientific non-supporting facts.

That's not a weakness,dipshit...It's a strength. I am always open to new
ideas. But they must stand up to close scrutiny. If they can't, I point
and laugh. But YOU can't see that. YOU want to allow 1/2 truths
and anecdotal evidence in as science. It's not. All the kooky shit that
you believe in....Crop circles, ghosts, god, FTL travel, all of it is
bullshit. Hopefully someday you will see the truth of my words.

[Big Dog]

On 11/2/2012 4:16 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 11/2/2012 5:04 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>>
>>>> I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So?
>>>
>>
>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>
>
> It interested me.

I'm sure football and religion and masturbation are all interests of
yours, but not everything that is of interest to you is pertinent to
sci.physics.

>
>
>> As opposed to alt.binaries.masturbation?
>
>
> Sorry that I must reject your homosexual advances.
> Have you tried hitting on Brad Goth?

No, no, no, you can't seem to read for comprehension.
Your post was off-topic in sci.physics, but it is on topic in
alt.binaries.masturbation, where you say you have an interest. So take
it there, please, where people who have interest in physics won't find
it cluttering up this interest group. Thank you.

If this is counter to your principles, then you may also have an
interest in soc.courtesy.shutthefuckupidowhatilike.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:28:27 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>On 11/2/2012 5:14 PM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>>
>> ACDC, I think you are proselytizing the Atheist religion and trying to
>> cover that fact. Atheism IS a system of belief.
>
>
>I don't put myself in the category of an atheist. I just don't believe
>in god any more than I believe in ghosts and leprechauns. I have friends
>that are atheists...To me they spend WAY too much of their time thinking
>about god and being influenced by religious subjects. I'm just
>not a believer. Simple as that.

Then you're an atheist.

Most of us wouldn't give gods a thought as long as believers kept it
in their pants. Errr... inside their religion.

But then _you_ started this inappropriately cross-posted thread.

>> Considering yourselves
>> superior because your beliefs thumb their nose at the beliefs of others
>> is clearly no different than ANY religion!

Lies noted.

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 5:32 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>
>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>
>>
>> It interested me.
>
> I'm sure football and religion and masturbation are all interests of
> yours, but not everything that is of interest to you is pertinent to
> sci.physics.

So?

>> Sorry that I must reject your homosexual advances.
>> Have you tried hitting on Brad Goth?
>
> No, no, no, you can't seem to read for comprehension.
> Your post was off-topic in sci.physics, but it is on topic in
> alt.binaries.masturbation, where you say you have an interest. So take
> it there, please, where people who have interest in physics won't find
> it cluttering up this interest group. Thank you.

After careful consideration, your request is denied.

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 5:51 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> Most of us wouldn't give gods a thought as long as believers kept it
> in their pants. Errr... inside their religion.
>
> But then _you_ started this inappropriately cross-posted thread.

You're welcome?

[Big Dog]

On 11/2/2012 5:13 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 11/2/2012 5:32 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>>
>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>
>>> It interested me.
>>
>> I'm sure football and religion and masturbation are all interests of
>> yours, but not everything that is of interest to you is pertinent to
>> sci.physics.
>
> So?
>
>>> Sorry that I must reject your homosexual advances.
>>> Have you tried hitting on Brad Goth?
>>
>> No, no, no, you can't seem to read for comprehension.
>> Your post was off-topic in sci.physics, but it is on topic in
>> alt.binaries.masturbation, where you say you have an interest. So take
>> it there, please, where people who have interest in physics won't find
>> it cluttering up this interest group. Thank you.
>
> After careful consideration, your request is denied.
>

As you wish, Spamming, Off-Topic Asshat. I assume you don't mind
monikers you earn, and furthermore ones that, after careful
consideration, you relish.

[Double-A]

Coaches like to have every possible advantage going for them
including, if possible, having God on their side! Having a
quarterback who can lead the team in prayer can't hurt. Having a
scoffing atheiest quearterback could, if there is someone up there
frowning down on him! Coaches will prefer believers.

(With the possible exception of those coaches who have already sold
their soul to the Devil in return for that championship year!)

Double-A

[Dakota]

On 11/2/2012 3:57 PM, HVAC wrote:

> On 11/2/2012 4:35 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>> On 11/2/2012 3:19 PM, HVAC wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> I saw nothing in this post -- nothing -- that related to physics.
>
> So?
>

Big Dog is justifiably complaining about your crossposting to the
physics newsgroup. This thread has nothing to do with physics or
astronomy. Why would a thinking person crosspost to those groups?

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:13:53 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>On 11/2/2012 5:32 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>>
>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>
>>>
>>> It interested me.
>>
>> I'm sure football and religion and masturbation are all interests of
>> yours, but not everything that is of interest to you is pertinent to
>> sci.physics.
>
>So?

It makes you a troll as bad as the theist loonies we get here.

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"Christopher A. Lee" <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:a2b89817cd3mbm8jo...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:19:10 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>What if the next big quarterback was everything Tim Tebow wasn't? A
>>bonafide anti-Tebow. More direct than personable. More self-assured than

>>humble. An atheist - as boastfully irreligious as Tim Tebow is pious.

>>Would the same nation with stadium churches and creationist textbooks be
>>able to embrace the avid non-believer?
>
> They probably wouldn't have him on the team.
>
> It's all about being a team player - and when the rest of the team are
> religious rednecks an open atheist simply wouldn't fit in, no matter
> how good a quarterback he was.
>
> They encourage religion as something to bind them together, just like
> the military does even though that is illegal.

I'm sure there are plenty of NFL players who are pop athiests. Pat Tillman
was one. They just don't go around making a big deal of their pop athiesm
and don't brag about it all the time. And they don't let athiesm be their
sole identity - they let their personalities define them. I know a guy and
his whole identity is that he's a Republican. He has no personality and all
he ever talks about is right wing politics. I guess if you're not a
thinking person then you need something to identify with.

[Brad Guth]

It's usually all about sex and money. They'd prey to the devil along
with live sacrifices if that would keep their dirty little secrets and
win the next game.

[alie...@gmail.com]

On Nov 2, 4:11 pm, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> "Christopher A. Lee" <chrislee95...@comcast.net> wrote in messagenews:a2b89817cd3mbm8jo...@4ax.com...

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:19:10 -0400, HVAC <h...@physisist.net> wrote:
>
> >>What if the next big quarterback was everything Tim Tebow wasn't? A
> >>bonafide anti-Tebow. More direct than personable. More self-assured than
> >>humble. An atheist - as boastfully irreligious as Tim Tebow is pious.
> >>Would the same nation with stadium churches and creationist textbooks be
> >>able to embrace the avid non-believer?
>
> > They probably wouldn't have him on the team.
>
> > It's all about being a team player - and when the rest of the team are
> > religious rednecks an open atheist simply wouldn't fit in, no matter
> > how good a quarterback he was.
>
> > They encourage religion as something to bind them together, just like
> > the military does even though that is illegal.
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of NFL players who are pop athiests.  Pat Tillman
> was one.

And look what happened to him...


Mark L. Fergerson

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 7:10 PM, Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>

>> They encourage religion as something to bind them together, just like
>> the military does even though that is illegal.
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of NFL players who are pop athiests. Pat
> Tillman was one. They just don't go around making a big deal of their
> pop athiesm and don't brag about it all the time. And they don't let
> athiesm be their sole identity - they let their personalities define
> them. I know a guy and his whole identity is that he's a Republican. He
> has no personality and all he ever talks about is right wing politics. I
> guess if you're not a thinking person then you need something to
> identify with.

"Pat's not with god...He's just dead".
-Pat Tillman's brother at Pat's funeral.

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 6:17 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>
>> After careful consideration, your request is denied.
>>
>
> As you wish, Spamming, Off-Topic Asshat. I assume you don't mind
> monikers you earn, and furthermore ones that, after careful
> consideration, you relish.

Again, anything you may say is of absolutely no concern or interest
to me.

Have a nice day! :-)

[HVAC]

On 11/2/2012 6:29 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:13:53 -0400, HVAC<hv...@physisist.net> wrote:
>
>> On 11/2/2012 5:32 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It interested me.

>

> It makes you a troll as bad as the theist loonies we get here.

And you feel that YOU are better than them?

Look, I do what I do and I say what I say.
If you don't like it, look away...Look away.

[HVAC]

Since every thinking person associated with physics is an atheist, I
offered up this story as being of interest to many here. The fact that
it doesn't interest YOU is of no concern to me at all.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:22:41 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>On 11/2/2012 6:29 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:13:53 -0400, HVAC<hv...@physisist.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/2/2012 5:32 PM, Big Dog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It interested me.
>
>>
>> It makes you a troll as bad as the theist loonies we get here.
>
>And you feel that YOU are better than them?

Unlike them, and unlike you, I don't initiate cross-posted flame
fests, asshole.

>Look, I do what I do and I say what I say.

We know, asshole.

>If you don't like it, look away...Look away.

In other words if we don't like you encouraging others to shit on our
carpet we should ignore it.

[HVAC]

On 11/3/2012 10:08 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
>>>>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It interested me.
>>
>>>
>>> It makes you a troll as bad as the theist loonies we get here.
>>
>> And you feel that YOU are better than them?
>
> Unlike them, and unlike you, I don't initiate cross-posted flame
> fests, asshole.

Keep working on it. Maybe someday, you'll be able to. Good luck.

>> Look, I do what I do and I say what I say.
>
> We know, asshole.

"We"? Do you speak for a group?

>> If you don't like it, look away...Look away.
>
> In other words if we don't like you encouraging others to shit on our
> carpet we should ignore it.

Honestly, I just don't care. Do whatever you want.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:44:50 -0400, HVAC <hv...@physisist.net> wrote:

>On 11/3/2012 10:08 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> So why did you post it to sci.physics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It interested me.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It makes you a troll as bad as the theist loonies we get here.
>>>
>>> And you feel that YOU are better than them?
>>
>> Unlike them, and unlike you, I don't initiate cross-posted flame
>> fests, asshole.
>
>Keep working on it. Maybe someday, you'll be able to. Good luck.

Why should I want to, asshole?

I'm not a sociopath like you.

>>> Look, I do what I do and I say what I say.
>>
>> We know, asshole.
>
>"We"? Do you speak for a group?

We al know you do what you want, asshole.

>>> If you don't like it, look away...Look away.
>>
>> In other words if we don't like you encouraging others to shit on our
>> carpet we should ignore it.
>
>Honestly, I just don't care. Do whatever you want.

Like I said, a sociopath who gets his jollies by encouraging
cross-posting flame wars.

[HVAC]

On 11/3/2012 10:55 AM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
>>> Unlike them, and unlike you, I don't initiate cross-posted flame
>>> fests, asshole.
>>
>> Keep working on it. Maybe someday, you'll be able to. Good luck.
>
> Why should I want to, asshole?
>
> I'm not a sociopath like you.

If you work hard and take your vitamins, someday you may become one.

Good luck.

>> Honestly, I just don't care. Do whatever you want.
>
> Like I said, a sociopath who gets his jollies by encouraging
> cross-posting flame wars.

And like a sucker, you fell prey to it.