Has Cold Fusion been proved?

Jason

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Oct 23, 2012, 3:21:01 PM10/23/12

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Has Cold Fusion been proved?

A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
Nuclear Reaction).

You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
latest issue of Popular Science magazine.

The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.

Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
above mentioned magazine.

You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.

sbalneav

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Oct 23, 2012, 3:43:42 PM10/23/12

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Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 23, 2012, 4:12:04 PM10/23/12

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In article <k66s1c$t2a$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net>
wrote:

> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
> >
> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > Nuclear Reaction).
> >
> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >
> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
> >
> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> > above mentioned magazine.
> >
> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.

Me, too. Cold fusion would open up all kinds of possibilities.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

MarkA

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Oct 23, 2012, 4:34:57 PM10/23/12

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Me, three. The hydrogen atom is the most intensively studied object in
the known Universe. To think that it has hitherto undiscovered properties
is HUGE!

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

raven1

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Oct 23, 2012, 5:42:23 PM10/23/12

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav
<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>>
>> A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
>> fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
>> Nuclear Reaction).
>>
>> You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
>> latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>>
>> The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>>
>> Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
>> above mentioned magazine.
>>
>> You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
>I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.

If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see the
article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journal, not
a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cancer cure
that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
Magazine instead..

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

Alex W.

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Oct 23, 2012, 7:56:13 PM10/23/12

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:42:23 -0400, raven1 wrote:

>
> If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see the
> article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journal, not
> a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cancer cure
> that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
> Magazine instead..
>

If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, it would make
we-interrupt-this-broadcast news around the world. Stock markets
would be shut as the shares of all major oil, transport, energy
and car companies would go absolutely haywire. There wouldn't be
a newspaper, radio station, TV or internet news service that
would not throw out everything else to cover this story. It
might well cause chaos and unrest in the streets. Basically, the
only way to not be aware of this would be if you were dead.

Dakota

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Oct 23, 2012, 8:16:08 PM10/23/12

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Next to the ads for 'miracle cure' copper bracelets and homeopathic
remedies.

Jason

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:14:40 PM10/23/12

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In article <k66s1c$t2a$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
> >
> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > Nuclear Reaction).
> >
> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >
> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
> >
> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> > above mentioned magazine.
> >
> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.

If you live near Austin, Texas--you can visit a company called Natural
Instruments and ask them about the special conference they will have about
LINR. Francesco Celani will be there and will show off his experiment at
that conference. Why not read the article in Popular Science magazine?

Jason

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:24:03 PM10/23/12

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In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rx...@40tude.net>,

Popular Science can be purchased at any store that sells magazines. Why
not buy the November issue and read the article. It seems to be a easy
experiment for most any scientist to do if he or she has access to a lab.

The person that wrote the article saw the experiment being done and
actually touched the narrow glass cylinder. He could feel the heat coming
off of it but it did not burn his fingers.

There was a small wire inside of the narrow glass cylinder. The constantan
wire (nickel-copper allow) was roughed up. The glass cylinder was filled
with hydrogen gas.

It's a very simple experiment that could easily be duplicated by most any
scientist that has a lab.

Jason

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:26:53 PM10/23/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-30C185...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Why not buy the November 2012 issue of Popular Science and read about the
latest cold fussion experiments?

If I lived near Austin, Texas--I would attend the cold fusion conference
that will take place at the facilities owned by NI (National Instuments).

Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:24:19 PM10/23/12

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In article
<Jason-23101...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Is this it?

<http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box>

Jason

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:42:46 PM10/23/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

probably so--the title of the article in the Popular Science magazine is:

Andrea Rossi's Black Box by Steve Featherstone.

Yap

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:44:23 PM10/23/12

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On Oct 24, 3:10 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> Has Cold Fusion been proved?

Why you care?

The human society does not belong to you who is living for his pixie.

Why are you suddenly interested in science which is human activity?

If there is a pixie in the sky, why should any one trying to put in
hard work to invent something?

You have no slightest credibility to post something relating to
scientific work, unless you believe in humanity and a world of human
for human.

Yap

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Oct 23, 2012, 9:46:55 PM10/23/12

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Jason, THE STUPID, does not have any idea about anything, let alone
interest in fusion science.

He is as easily misled as a donkey or he is always misreading himself.

sbalneav

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Oct 23, 2012, 10:10:15 PM10/23/12

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Because any old shit gets into Popular Science. I'm interested in what real
physicists have to say about it.

--
__ _ | I go about looking at horses and cattle. They eat grass, make
(_ |_) | love, work when they have to, bear their young. I am sick
__)|_) | with envy of them. -- Sherwood Anderson

sbalneav

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sbalneav

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Oct 23, 2012, 10:20:01 PM10/23/12

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Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rx...@40tude.net>,
> ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:42:23 -0400, raven1 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see the
>> > article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journal, not
>> > a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cancer cure
>> > that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
>> > Magazine instead..
>> >
>>
>> If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, it would make
>> we-interrupt-this-broadcast news around the world. Stock markets
>> would be shut as the shares of all major oil, transport, energy
>> and car companies would go absolutely haywire. There wouldn't be
>> a newspaper, radio station, TV or internet news service that
>> would not throw out everything else to cover this story. It
>> might well cause chaos and unrest in the streets. Basically, the
>> only way to not be aware of this would be if you were dead.
>
> Popular Science can be purchased at any store that sells magazines. Why
> not buy the November issue and read the article. It seems to be a easy
> experiment for most any scientist to do if he or she has access to a lab.

Sure. I'm sure someone will look into it. Someone with accurate measuring
devices.

> The person that wrote the article saw the experiment being done and
> actually touched the narrow glass cylinder. He could feel the heat coming
> off of it but it did not burn his fingers.
>
> There was a small wire inside of the narrow glass cylinder. The constantan
> wire (nickel-copper allow) was roughed up. The glass cylinder was filled
> with hydrogen gas.

Or so they say. If this *actually* worked, it would, *quite literally* be the
biggest thing in energy production since Alessandro Volta was making frogs legs
twitch. This would put every single energy producing company out of business
practically overnight. Nobel prizes, patents and big money, and probably
science-groupie poontang would be in abundance. So far, what we got is a
show-and-tell, and an article in *cough* Popular Science. Ain't sayin' it
ain't true, just wanting to wait until real propeller-heads pass some judgement
on it.

> It's a very simple experiment that could easily be duplicated by most any
> scientist that has a lab.

Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 23, 2012, 10:29:20 PM10/23/12

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Which is the article I posted.

How did you not notice that nobody was allowed to properly test the
mechanism?

Astero...@yahoo.com

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Oct 23, 2012, 11:59:55 PM10/23/12

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It sure would.

Dakota

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Oct 24, 2012, 12:02:04 AM10/24/12

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On 10/23/2012 9:10 PM, sbalneav wrote:
> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> In article <k66s1c$t2a$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>>>>
>>>> A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
>>>> fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
>>>> Nuclear Reaction).
>>>>
>>>> You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
>>>> latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>>>>
>>>> The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>>>>
>>>> Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
>>>> above mentioned magazine.
>>>>
>>>> You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>>>
>>> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
>>
>> If you live near Austin, Texas--you can visit a company called Natural
>> Instruments and ask them about the special conference they will have about
>> LINR. Francesco Celani will be there and will show off his experiment at
>> that conference. Why not read the article in Popular Science magazine?
>
> Because any old shit gets into Popular Science. I'm interested in what real
> physicists have to say about it.
>

The fact that Jason started this thread is cause enough to regard it
with a skeptical eye as Jason's grasp of reality is tenuous at best.

Not sure if this is the PopSci article he's talking about but it does
address LENR. Celani's contribution begins at the bottom of page 6.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

Here's the last paragraph:

I asked Celani why he thought NI had invited him to the conference. He
stopped what he was doing and looked around the chaos of his lab, as
if searching for the answer among all the defunct LENR cells heï¿½d
built to replicate various experiments dating back to the early days
of cold fusion, experiments that helped push the field, watt by watt,
closer to legitimacy. ï¿½I donï¿½t know,ï¿½ Celani said, and burst into
laughter.

Here's a link to Celani's exhibit at NI's LENR conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5rcEvsek0&feature=youtu.be

The conference looks like a sophisticated high school science fair
with booths set up for the various exhibits. I think it's reasonable
to remain skeptical until more rigorous examination of the supposed
technology is documented.

Jason

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In article
<71bcf6de-7f9f-4e34...@vy11g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 24, 3:10=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> Why you care?
>
> The human society does not belong to you who is living for his pixie.
>
> >

> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that col=

> d
> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > Nuclear Reaction).
> >
> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >

> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science=

> .
> >
> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> > above mentioned magazine.
> >
> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> Why are you suddenly interested in science which is human activity?
>
> If there is a pixie in the sky, why should any one trying to put in
> hard work to invent something?
>
> You have no slightest credibility to post something relating to
> scientific work, unless you believe in humanity and a world of human
> for human.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

Jason

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http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

Jason

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http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:07:18 AM10/24/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-76707F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

It clearly stated in the article the following information:

"Most important, Celani was not working in secrecy. Any scientist could
replicate his experiment."

The author of the article had this to say about Celani's experiments:

"...absolutely precise and well described experiments..."

It was my opinion that Celani's experiment was so easy to do that almost
any good scientist in the world that has access to a lab could easily
duplicate Celani's very simple experiment.

Did you read the entire article? I did.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:10:38 AM10/24/12

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In article <k67im5$pdi$1...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > In article <k66s1c$t2a$2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav
<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
> >> >
> >> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment
that cold
> >> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> >> > Nuclear Reaction).
> >> >
> >> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> >> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >> >
> >> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular
Science.
> >> >
> >> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> >> > above mentioned magazine.
> >> >
> >> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
> >>
> >> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
> >
> > If you live near Austin, Texas--you can visit a company called Natural
> > Instruments and ask them about the special conference they will have about
> > LINR. Francesco Celani will be there and will show off his experiment at
> > that conference. Why not read the article in Popular Science magazine?
>
> Because any old shit gets into Popular Science. I'm interested in what real
> physicists have to say about it.

Some real physicists will probably be attending the conference that will
be taking place in Austin, Texas in the very near future. They will be
watching the cold fusion experiments being done in front of them.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:14:25 AM10/24/12

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> if searching for the answer among all the defunct LENR cells he’d

> built to replicate various experiments dating back to the early days
> of cold fusion, experiments that helped push the field, watt by watt,

> closer to legitimacy. “I don’t know,” Celani said, and burst into

> laughter.
>
> Here's a link to Celani's exhibit at NI's LENR conference:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5rcEvsek0&feature=youtu.be
>
> The conference looks like a sophisticated high school science fair
> with booths set up for the various exhibits. I think it's reasonable
> to remain skeptical until more rigorous examination of the supposed
> technology is documented.

It's my guess that lots of scientists will be attending the LENR
conference in Austin, Texas. If I lived in Austin, Texas, I would attend
that conference and watch Celani perform his experiment in front of me.

SkyEyes

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:10:54 AM10/24/12

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On Oct 23, 7:10 pm, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:

> > In article <k66s1c$t2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
> >> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> >> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> >> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> >> > Nuclear Reaction).
>
> >> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> >> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
> >> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>
> >> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> >> > above mentioned magazine.
>
> >> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> >> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
>
> > If you live near Austin, Texas--you can visit a company called Natural
> > Instruments and ask them about the special conference they will have about
> > LINR. Francesco Celani will be there and will show off his experiment at
> > that conference. Why not read the article in Popular Science magazine?
>
> Because any old shit gets into Popular Science.

Hence the name, "Popular" Science. As opposed to, say, "Real"

Science.

> I'm interested in what real physicists have to say about it.

I honestly hope it's the real thing. It would solve *so* many
problems, the biggest being our hunger for fossil fuels.

It would make the coal mining folks very unhappy, however, and the
fracking-for-natural-gas people wouldn't be in much better spirits.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 1:48:57 AM10/24/12

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In article
<68514a0d-0ab3-422b...@i2g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Oct 23, 7:10=A0pm, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net> wrote:
> > Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:

> > > In article <k66s1c$t2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net>=

> wrote:
> >
> > >> Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
> >

> > >> > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment tha=

> t cold
> > >> > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > >> > Nuclear Reaction).
> >

> > >> > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in =

> the
> > >> > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >

> > >> > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Sc=
> ience.
> >
> > >> > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of t=
> he
> > >> > above mentioned magazine.
> >
> > >> > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment=

> .
> >
> > >> I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
> >
> > > If you live near Austin, Texas--you can visit a company called Natural

> > > Instruments and ask them about the special conference they will have ab=
> out
> > > LINR. Francesco Celani will be there and will show off his experiment a=

> t
> > > that conference. Why not read the article in Popular Science magazine?
> >
> > Because any old shit gets into Popular Science.
>
> Hence the name, "Popular" Science. As opposed to, say, "Real"
> Science.
>
> > I'm interested in what real physicists have to say about it.
>
> I honestly hope it's the real thing. It would solve *so* many
> problems, the biggest being our hunger for fossil fuels.
>
> It would make the coal mining folks very unhappy, however, and the
> fracking-for-natural-gas people wouldn't be in much better spirits.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

<http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 24, 2012, 2:22:26 AM10/24/12

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In article
<68514a0d-0ab3-422b...@i2g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

I'm guessing the buggy whip people weren't very happy, either.

But if industries have to be phased out for national and international
security reasons, it'll be the government's responsibility to help the
workers shift to a new industry. And I mean real training and job
placement, not the weak-tea version inadequate budgets force.

Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 24, 2012, 2:23:14 AM10/24/12

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In article <Jason-23101...@66.53.221.144>,

That's completely meaningless, nothing better than a story in the bible.

The ONLY thing that matters is the data and being able to replicate the
results.

Jeanne Douglas

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Oct 24, 2012, 2:28:45 AM10/24/12

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In article <Jason-23101...@66.53.221.144>,

Then we wait until they have done so before we get excited.

See, if you had posted the article with the comment that it would be
really cool if this turns out to be true so you hope physicists will
hurry up and replicate the experiment so we can get on with it.

> Did you read the entire article? I did.

It's not sounding like it.

Syd M.

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Oct 24, 2012, 7:59:57 AM10/24/12

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On Oct 23, 10:29 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-2310121842470...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552.18241923102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2310121824030...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rxa4tgt....@40tude.net>,

A dead giveaway that it's all fake.

fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk

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Oct 24, 2012, 9:21:57 AM10/24/12

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On 24 Oct, 02:16, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-30C185.13120423102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <k66s1c$t2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net>

> > wrote:
>
> > > Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> > > > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> > > > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > > > Nuclear Reaction).
>
> > > > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> > > > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
> > > > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular
> Science.
>
> > > > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> > > > above mentioned magazine.
>
> > > > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> > > I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
>
> > Me, too. Cold fusion would open up all kinds of possibilities.
>
> Why not buy the November 2012 issue of Popular Science and read about the
> latest cold fussion experiments?
>
> If I lived near Austin, Texas--I would attend the cold fusion conference

> that will take place at the facilities owned by NI (National Instuments).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It is possible to get to Austin, Texas from just about any inhabited
part of the world in about a day. If you think anything interesting
will happen there why don't you go, and report back what you hear?

Malcolm McMahon

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On Tuesday, 23 October 2012 22:42:20 UTC+1, raven1 wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav
>

> <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> >>
>
> >> A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
>
> >> fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
>
> >> Nuclear Reaction).
>
> >>
>
> >> You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
>
> >> latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
> >>
>
> >> The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>
> >>
>
> >> Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
>
> >> above mentioned magazine.
>
> >>
>
> >> You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> >
>
> >I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
>
>
>

> If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see the
>
> article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journal, not
>
> a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cancer cure
>
> that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
>
> Magazine instead..
>
>

Mind you, there were a lot of red faces over the Flieshman/Pons affair so scientists will be pretty wary.

harry k

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Oct 24, 2012, 10:45:18 AM10/24/12

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On Oct 23, 6:16 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-30C185.13120423102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <k66s1c$t2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net>

> > wrote:
>
> > > Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> > > > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> > > > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> > > > Nuclear Reaction).
>
> > > > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> > > > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
> > > > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular
> Science.
>
> > > > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> > > > above mentioned magazine.
>
> > > > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>
> > > I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
>
> > Me, too. Cold fusion would open up all kinds of possibilities.
>
> Why not buy the November 2012 issue of Popular Science and read about the
> latest cold fussion experiments?
>
> If I lived near Austin, Texas--I would attend the cold fusion conference
> that will take place at the facilities owned by NI (National Instuments).

Do you _really_ think such a discovery would be published first in
Popular Science?

Gullible much are you?

Harry K

harry k

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Oct 24, 2012, 10:50:20 AM10/24/12

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On Oct 23, 6:31 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552.18241923102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-2310121824030...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rxa4tgt....@40tude.net>,

So a "convicted scam artist" conducts a demonstration of a contraption
no one is
allowed to exam but runs on a "secret catalyst"...

You're not gullible, you're downright stupid.

Harry K

MarkA

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Oct 24, 2012, 11:07:38 AM10/24/12

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:21:01 -0700, Jason wrote:

>
>
> Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
> A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
> fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
> Nuclear Reaction).
>
> You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
> latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
> The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>
> Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
> above mentioned magazine.
>
> You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.

It sounds more like a break through in magazine marketing than a discovery
that will rock the foundations of particle physics. Pons and Fleischmann
announced the discovery of a method for producing cold fusion in 1989.
That's 23 years ago. In that time, nobody has been able to reliably and
consistently demonstrate that nuclear fusion is really occurring. What
they observed is considered by the physics community to be most likely an
interesting electro-chemical effect.

Despite the lack of progress, or any plausible mechanism by which it even
*could* occur, a community of "cold-fusion true believers" has sprung up,
and continues to be "on the verge" of clearly demonstrating that LENR is
real.

As I pointed out in another post, the hydrogen atom is the single most
intensively studied object in the world. It is exceedingly unlikely that
there are things it can do that have not yet been observed. That doesn't
mean that it's impossible, but if such properties were discovered, I doubt
if the pages of Popular Science would be the first to publish it, nor
would it be something you could produce with a simple laboratory
experiment.

Fusion occurs when 2 hydrogen nuclei, i.e. protons, bind together to form
a helium nucleus. Since protons are positively charged, as you push them
together, the electrostatic charge wants to repel them from each other. It
takes a *tremendous* amount of energy to push them together with enough
force to overcome the electrostatic force, and get them close enough for
the strong nuclear force to take over, fusing them into a single entity.
Once that happens, and even greater tremendous amount of energy is
released. The scale of the energies involved is the reason why nobody has,
so far, been able to make fusion happen without vaporizing everything
within a radius of several kilometers.

How much do you want to bet that Dr(?) Celani, and the folks at "Natural
Instruments", are still buying their electricity from the local power
utility?

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

sbalneav

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Oct 24, 2012, 11:22:30 AM10/24/12

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Yeah, that's the article in Popular Science. Like I say, when it gets peer
reviewed in Science or Nature, AND once there's been some experimental
verification, I'll be happy to believe it. I'm witholding judgement until
then.

--
__ _ | Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak;
(_ |_) | courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
__)|_) | -- Winston Churchill

sbalneav

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Oct 24, 2012, 11:28:13 AM10/24/12

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From the article:

"Rossi isn???t the best ambassador for a field with credibility problems, though.
In the ???80s, he invented a machine that magically transformed household garbage
and industrial waste into oil???only it didn???t create a drop. Leaky storage tanks
at Rossi???s ???poison factory,??? as one Italian newspaper called it, contained
77,000 tons of toxic sludge that cost $50 million to clean up. While under
investigation for environmental crimes, Rossi was also charged with gold
trafficking; he went to jail for six months and was later acquitted. As it
happens, his engineering degree is from Kensington University, a notorious
diploma mill shut down in 1996 by the state of California."

"When I got off the plane in Italy, the weather was brutally hot. Driving to my
hotel, air-conditioning cranked up, I thought about the carbon my car was
pumping into the atmosphere, my small contribution to a repeat of the Permian
extinction that Dennis Bushnell warned about. When I got to my hotel, I fired
up my laptop and checked my e-mail. There was a terse message from Rossi
canceling our interview. No explanation. Given what I???d heard about Rossi???s
capricious temper, I suspected something like this might happen, but not before
I???d unpacked my suitcase. I dashed off a bewildered reply and got a response
within the hour:

I REPEAT THAT I WILL NOT RELEASE ANY INTERVIEW. I HAVE TO WORK AND I HAVE NOT
TIME AT ALL TO POLEMIZE WITH ENEMIES, COMPETITORS, ETC. THE RESULTS OF MY WORK
WILL BE JUDGED BY THE CUSTOMERS, NOT BY THE CHATTERS."

I smell con. That's not the way real science works. You don't hide your
discoveries in real scientific work.

--
__ _ | The book you don't read won't help.
(_ |_) | -- Jim Rohn
__)|_) |

Mike Painter

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Oct 24, 2012, 12:18:08 PM10/24/12

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:21:01 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>
>
>Has Cold Fusion been proved?
>
>A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment that cold
>fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energy
>Nuclear Reaction).
>
>You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in the
>latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
>
>The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular Science.
>
>Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of the
>above mentioned magazine.
>
>You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experiment.
>

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/08/08/francesco-celani-demos-his-lenr-device-publicly/

is about all I can find and it's a bit suspect.
--
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." ~ Robert Pirsig

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:18:22 PM10/24/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-1985E7...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Thanks for providing us with the website. That was a kind thing to do.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:22:19 PM10/24/12

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In article <1v4g88lkdf1jjlr8k...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

Andrea Rossi seems to want to keep whatever is inside his black box a
secret but my new hero Francesco Celani wants every scientist in the world
to duplicate his simple experiment.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:29:40 PM10/24/12

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In article <pan.2012.10.24....@somewhere.invalid>, MarkA

They are buying their electricity from the local power utility. That does
not mean the LENR experiments mean nothing.

I know someone that once had solar panels on the roof of their home and
she told me they rarely paid any money to the local power utility. In
fact, she said on some months the local power utility sent them a check
instead of a bill.

Perhaps in 20 years, most local power utility companies will be making use
of LENR devices to produce electricity.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:30:35 PM10/24/12

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In article
<67420fb2-4dfd-4673...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

I can't afford to do it.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:36:04 PM10/24/12

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In article
<0514afc1-b03d-4d5a...@v9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <tur...@q.com> wrote:

> On Oct 23, 6:16=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-30C185.13120423102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <k66s1c$t2...@dont-email.me>, sbalneav <sbaln...@alburg.net>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Has Cold Fusion been proved?
> >

> > > > > A man named Francesco Celani has proved with a simple experiment th=
> at cold
> > > > > fusion does happen. The new name for Cold Fusion is LENR (Low Energ=
> y
> > > > > Nuclear Reaction).
> >
> > > > > You can learn all about the simple experiment and all about LENR in=

> the
> > > > > latest issue of Popular Science magazine.
> >
> > > > > The story begins on page 62 of the November 2012 issue of Popular
> > Science.
> >

> > > > > Francesco Celani's simple experiment is discussed on page 97-98 of =
> the
> > > > > above mentioned magazine.
> >
> > > > > You need to have access to a science lab to do the simple experimen=

> t.
> >
> > > > I look forward to a peer-reviewed paper in Nature or the like.
> >
> > > Me, too. Cold fusion would open up all kinds of possibilities.
> >
> > Why not buy the November 2012 issue of Popular Science and read about the
> > latest cold fussion experiments?
> >
> > If I lived near Austin, Texas--I would attend the cold fusion conference
> > that will take place at the facilities owned by NI (National Instuments).
>
> Do you _really_ think such a discovery would be published first in
> Popular Science?
>
> Gullible much are you?
>
> Harry K

There will be articles in those types of magazines once scientists are
able to easily duplicate the LENR experiments and LENR devices.

That is the reason the conference in the NI facility in Austin, Texas is
important. Lots of scientists will be at that conference.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:41:05 PM10/24/12

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His simple experiment can easily be duplicated by scientists that have
access to a lab. If they attend the conference in Austin, Texas--they can
watch Francisco Celani perform the simple experiment in front of them.

His result will be judged by the customers and scientists--not by the chatter.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:44:08 PM10/24/12

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In article
<628ad003-8039-4606...@b4g2000pby.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <tur...@q.com> wrote:

> On Oct 23, 6:31=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552.18241923102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2310121824030...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rxa4tgt....@40tude.net>,
> > > > ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:42:23 -0400, raven1 wrote:
> >

> > > > > > If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see t=
> he
> > > > > > article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journal,=
> not
> > > > > > a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cancer =

> cure
> > > > > > that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
> > > > > > Magazine instead..
> >
> > > > > If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, it would make

> > > > > we-interrupt-this-broadcast news around the world. =A0Stock markets

> > > > > would be shut as the shares of all major oil, transport, energy

> > > > > and car companies would go absolutely haywire. =A0There wouldn't be

> > > > > a newspaper, radio station, TV or internet news service that

> > > > > would not throw out everything else to cover this story. =A0It
> > > > > might well cause chaos and unrest in the streets. =A0Basically, the

> > > > > only way to not be aware of this would be if you were dead.
> >

> > > > Popular Science can be purchased at any store that sells magazines. W=
> hy
> > > > not buy the November issue and read the article. It seems to be a eas=
> y
> > > > experiment for most any scientist to do if he or she has access to a =

> lab.
> >
> > > > The person that wrote the article saw the experiment being done and

> > > > actually touched the narrow glass cylinder. He could feel the heat co=

> ming
> > > > off of it but it did not burn his fingers.
> >

> > > > There was a small wire inside of the narrow glass cylinder. The const=
> antan
> > > > wire (nickel-copper allow) was roughed up. The glass cylinder was fil=
> led
> > > > with hydrogen gas.
> >
> > > > It's a very simple experiment that could easily be duplicated by most=

> any
> > > > scientist that has a lab.
> >
> > > Is this it?
> >
> > > <http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box>
> >
> > probably so--the title of the article in the Popular Science magazine is:
> >
> > Andrea Rossi's Black Box by Steve Featherstone.
>
> So a "convicted scam artist" conducts a demonstration of a contraption
> no one is
> allowed to exam but runs on a "secret catalyst"...
>
> You're not gullible, you're downright stupid.
>
> Harry K

Rossi is hoping to get rich so don't want people to steal his secrets that
are inside his black box. He was not invited to the conference. The reason
is probably because he is not willing to share his secrets or open the
black box so scientists can see what is inside it.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:47:26 PM10/24/12

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In article
<e2af16b3-988c-4e80...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Oct 23, 10:29=A0pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-2310121842470...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552.18241923102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-2310121824030...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article <irbb2hb1a9lp$.1suy49rxa4tgt....@40tude.net>,
> > > > > ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:42:23 -0400, raven1 wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, I'd expect to see=
> the
> > > > > > > article published first in Nature, Science, or a physics journa=
> l, not
> > > > > > > a newsstand periodical. This sounds about as dubious as a cance=

> r cure
> > > > > > > that misses JAMA and Lancet, but gets published in Men's Health
> > > > > > > Magazine instead..
> >
> > > > > > If someone actually demonstrated cold fusion, it would make

> > > > > > we-interrupt-this-broadcast news around the world. =A0Stock marke=

> ts
> > > > > > would be shut as the shares of all major oil, transport, energy

> > > > > > and car companies would go absolutely haywire. =A0There wouldn't =

> be
> > > > > > a newspaper, radio station, TV or internet news service that

> > > > > > would not throw out everything else to cover this story. =A0It
> > > > > > might well cause chaos and unrest in the streets. =A0Basically, t=

> he
> > > > > > only way to not be aware of this would be if you were dead.
> >

> > > > > Popular Science can be purchased at any store that sells magazines.=
> Why
> > > > > not buy the November issue and read the article. It seems to be a e=
> asy
> > > > > experiment for most any scientist to do if he or she has access to =

> a lab.
> >
> > > > > The person that wrote the article saw the experiment being done and

> > > > > actually touched the narrow glass cylinder. He could feel the heat =

> coming
> > > > > off of it but it did not burn his fingers.
> >

> > > > > There was a small wire inside of the narrow glass cylinder. The con=
> stantan
> > > > > wire (nickel-copper allow) was roughed up. The glass cylinder was f=
> illed
> > > > > with hydrogen gas.
> >
> > > > > It's a very simple experiment that could easily be duplicated by mo=

> st any
> > > > > scientist that has a lab.
> >
> > > > Is this it?
> >

> > > > <http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-bo=
> x>
> >
> > > probably so--the title of the article in the Popular Science magazine i=

> s:
> >
> > > Andrea Rossi's Black Box by Steve Featherstone.
> >
> > Which is the article I posted.
> >
> > How did you not notice that nobody was allowed to properly test the
> > mechanism?
> >
> >
>
> A dead giveaway that it's all fake.

I got the impression that Rossi is hoping to get rich and that is the
reason he will not open up that box to allow anyone to see what is inside
of it.

However, other people that will be attending the conference will be
willing to share their secrets. They will not have any black boxes that
they refuse to open--at least I hope so.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 4:50:12 PM10/24/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-FFF780...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

You are correct. Francisco Celani was willing to show his data to the
author of the article and anyone else that wants to see his data. He will
be at the conference and will do the experiment in front of the people
that will be attending the conference.

It appears to me to be a very simple experiment that would be easy for a
scientist to duplicate.

Syd M.

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Oct 24, 2012, 5:04:06 PM10/24/12

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If he had tried it with real scientists, he'd have been laughed off
the stage.

Syd M.

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Oct 24, 2012, 5:05:08 PM10/24/12

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On Oct 24, 4:36 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <e2af16b3-988c-4e80-b003-9c21efa27...@b15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, "Syd

I don't doubt it.
Get rich of the gullible.
Like you.

sbalneav

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Oct 24, 2012, 5:28:32 PM10/24/12

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There's a difference between watching an experiment performed in front of you,
and performing the experiment yourself. It is exactly the same difference as
watching a magic trick performed before you, and actually performing the magic
trick yourself.

> His result will be judged by the customers and scientists--not by the chatter.

Jason

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Oct 24, 2012, 5:41:55 PM10/24/12

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In article
<32447797-8b80-49e2...@c20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Oct 24, 10:50=A0am, harry k <turn...@q.com> wrote:

> > On Oct 23, 6:31=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-F33552.18241923102...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> >
> > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-2310121824030...@67-150-126-253.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,