__ another Christian mother DROWNS her CHILDREN <= God's will ! __
_ Prof. Jonez _
of her two young daughters was a domestic violence victim who had no documented
history of neglecting her children.
A police officer leaves the family's home with a bag of evidence.
The father of the two girls, ages 4 and 2, said the woman called him at work
Monday and said their children "are at peace," Cleveland police Lt. Thomas
Stacho said.
He then went to the woman's apartment and pulled the girls from the water in the
bathtub.
Stacho said the girls were placed on life support by a medical services crew and
were pronounced dead at a hospital.
The girls' mother, Amber Hill, 22, was arrested at her apartment for
questioning. No charges had been filed, and she remained jailed Tuesday.
Hill provided only her name, age and address, but would not answer further
questions at the apartment, Stacho said. She was calm and showed no emotion when
she was taken away by police, he said.
"At this point she's our only suspect," he said.
Hill, who neighbors said was studying to be a nursing assistant, had no record
of abusing her children, said Jim McCafferty, director of the Cuyahoga County
Department of Children and Family Services.
"We never had a call of any maltreatment of the children," McCafferty said
Tuesday. "The kids were clean and well cared for. It's just a sad situation."
In July 2006, the girls' father, Jamie Cintron, pleaded no contest and was found
guilty of domestic violence against Hill in Cleveland Municipal Court.
During an argument with Hill "he started knocking things over, then he said he
was leaving with their children, he picked up a hammer and broke the TV with it,
then he grabbed her by the neck and shoved her," a summons for his arrest said.
Cintron served 26 days in jail and the rest of his six-month sentence was
suspended. He was placed on probation for 18 months and ordered to have no
contact with Hill. He was permitted to see his children only if a third party
was present.
In 2004, Cintron, 23, pleaded no contest and was found guilty of domestic
violence against Hill. He was put on six months' probation
Larry
What makes you think she is Christian, you ignorant fool?
_ Prof. Jonez _
Are you once again denying that fact, eh Larry ?
MarkA
Sounds like the work of Druids, to me! Check her for ceremonial daggers.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
Bo Raxo
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:22:55 -0600, _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Larry wrote:
Reading the article, and applying a Prof Jonez level of intellectual
standards, I immediately leaped to the conclusion that the mother's
religion was Jedi. You start fooling around with the dark side of the
force and these things happen.
But in contrast, when was the last time you heard of a Trekker killing
their kid? See, tells you which is the superior way of life.
Bo Raxo
--
"Cowards die many times before their deaths,
The valiant never taste of death but once."
Shakespeare, Julius Ceaser, Act II Scene 2
V
Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
Read about some familles and single moms on the recovery lists being
in turmoil from troubled kids. The feeling of hopelessness and despair
is in many of these posts. Recently, I discussed the range of options
of what to do with problem children with a professional in that field.
She responded with many choices that are available for the parent that
is ready to self-destruct. I've included these options below. A big
problem can arise when the parent that is not a kid person has kids
and learns too late that they are not cut out for that job. The danger
point for the parent and the child is when the parents sinks to
hopelessness and sees no escape other than death for themselves or the
kid. Personally, I like kids, but I am low capacity in this area and
have a very real limit when it comes to dealing with stress from kids.
I have no patience to coddle and breast feed kids. I usually do better
with older kids than screaming infants. Screaming infants give me the
feeling that someone is sticking a knife in my brain. I accept this
and work with it and not against it. This is the foundation of
accepting and living within ones comfortable means which I will go
into below.
I've heard from a few moms that feel shy about discussing such
troubles in public. They feel ashamed that they lack the capabilities
to be "perfect moms." We can see a large range of comfortable
abilities when it comes to moms. One mom can raise twelve kids without
breathing hard, while another mom can't raise one kid and in the end
even ends up killing off the one kid. Is the person that can raise 12
kids a good person and the other person a bad person? No, they just
have different comfortable abilities and capabilities. What separates
the two moms? In a word - Naturalness. One mom works with her nature
the other mom works against her nature and is living a "forced" life.
(If you missed my earlier post "The Concept of Forcing Things" and
want a copy write me.)
If you are a stressed out single Mom or have a high maintenance
family, be pointed in the direction of removing stress and problems in
your life at every turn. Get the kids involved as well as the hubby
with removing some of this stress. Make it clear to the entire family
that life cannot go on the same way that it has been going. I marvel
how people that are already sick from a complex and stressful life
keep adding more complexities at every turn instead of taking the path
of simplicity and less stress. If you make stress reduction your
foremost purpose in life, you will be successful at reducing your
stress load and thus increase your inner peace. You may not do this
perfectly, but you can do it more perfectly than not if you did not
make the effort at all.
Food plays a big part in the lives of troubled kids. Many kids eat a
diet of crap, highly salted crap at that. My own kid had high blood
pressure at 14. I had it as well before we became clear on the sodium
issue. Once we developed clarity, we found out that my son was eating
6000 to 7000 mg a day of sodium. Besides generating high blood
pressure, sodium is a great corrosive that eats at our joints. Sodium
in excess really agitates me, gives me headaches, restlessness and
agitation. Corn syrup, sugar and artificial chemicals also work to
keep kids agitated. Many of the parents themselves don't eat healthy,
so how can they give away what they do not have themselves? Some of
the parents I talk with say they do not have the time to cook healthy
foods and eat right. No time to live right? They never heard of "first
things first" I guess? Sounds like they need to apply a life of
voluntary simplicity? What is the essence of voluntary simplicity? In
a nutshell it brings your awareness to the fact that if you can't keep
up - you scale back until you can. (If you missed my earlier post "How
I apply a Life of Voluntary Simplicity to My 12 step Work" and want a
copy write me.)
Other times the parents say the kids wont eat healthy as they "Don't
like it." What I did was to prepare healthy meals and tell the kid,
"This is what's for dinner. If you want to eat diner then eat it. If
you don't want it, then skip dinner and I'll save it for you and you
can eat it for dinner tomorrow." I made it a point to stop buying a
lot of junk foods and keeping it in the house. Sure kids can get junk
to eat outside of the house, but I will not contribute to his eating
it in excess at home. We had treats and junk now and again, but the
majority of the food served was real, not fast foods or junk. Another
area of neglect in many homes is that of exercise. Sedentary lifestyle
is on the rise with a lot of kids. video games, computers keeping them
sitting too long. (If you missed my earlier post "The King and Queen
of Good Health" if goes into more detail about the balance of healthy
food and exercise - if you want a copy write me.)
A lot of kids seem to be starting young with addiction nowadays. When
I dropped my kid off at college yesterday I noticed most of the
freshman smoking cigs. Then there is all the stories of gambling,
drunkenness and drugs. If your kid is a young addict, get them going
in 12 step work. Better early than late. In the news was the latest
rage with teens - asphyxia or choking to cause an altered state of
consciousness. Kids find no shortage of ways to abuse the senses ...
do they? When I was young I did most of the same. "The road of excess
leads to the palace of wisdom" ~ William Blake.
Here is part of the professional's response as to what to do with
problem kids that are destroying a family.
(...) writes:
Counseling is available for all income levels through local mental
health services. But, in extreme cases if a child is causing
overwhelming problems parents can seek other options like:
1. Contact the children's services dept. of your local human services
agency they can take emergency custody for up to 30 days and you can
get the child back anytime you want during that period and help you
develop appropriate resources and strategies for coping
2. Temporary custody is from 30 days to a max of up to 2 years
depending on the state you live in, they make a case plan for
reunification including wrap around services to help you with the
reunification and they always look for family or friends of the family
for the placement first - it is a priority
3. If there is no change of circumstances and the situation remains
untenable, may be that the state takes permanent custody of the child.
Again this is the most extreme cases, but if you are contemplating
destroying yourself or the child, then that is a viable option
There are many good books and videos on parenting from the library
fro example:
The video and book called "1,2,3 Magic" and the books on parenting
from Foster Cline and Jim Faye there are several depending on the
children's ages
called "Parenting With Love and Logic "ie. 'parenting with love and
logic for teens' 'parenting with love and logic for grandparents'
(end of snip)
V writes:
Sometimes, just the threat of the kid going away for a "vacation" can
get kids serious about change and help them to think in a different
direction. Other times a vacation is needed for all concerned to get a
fresh start. In any case, there is never a need for physical harm
unless we choose the wrong path due to ignorance, hopelessness and
rage. So exhaust all means at your disposal for change and then and
only then work on acceptance. Here is an old post to shed more light
on this subject.
"Living Within Our Comfortable Capabilities"
It seems life gives us enough hassles for free, so we don't have to
help life by bulldozing more problems onto our own backs. It is a real
death trap people make for themselves when they try to keep up with a
hi-cap lifestyle with their low-cap capabilities. They are
concentrated on keeping up with others and forget to concentrate on
themselves and their own inner peace. The 12 and 12 writes about this
on pages 122-125 when it mentions "staying right size." I feel there
is nothing shameful about being a low-cap person, the only shame comes
from trying to be something we are not comfortably able to be and
killing yourself and your loved ones from an ego driven, out of
balance life. Learning acceptance and being grateful for my
comfortable capabilities was a major key to being at peace with my
capabilities. My self worth comes from being the best I can be within
MY comfortable capabilities and not from trying to be something I am
not comfortably, solvently, abstinently, soberly and peacefully able
to be.
Clarity about or actions is very important for those that ask the
question about living comfortably within ones means. I will say that
no one ever accomplishes anything great without pushing the envelope
of stress. If you want to climb Mount Everest you have to make
yourself uncomfortable. But, on the other hand, no one can force you
to climb Mount Everest and make yourself that uncomfortable if you
don't want to be. That choice is ours alone. The only question for the
addicts to ask themselves, if they choose to climb Mount Everest is
this; are you going to end up as just another one of the dead cadavers
littering the mountain or will you be successful with your summit.
Being uncomfortable is one of the top reasons why addicts lose
themselves in their addictions. It doesn't matter whether the point of
uncomfortability comes from resentments, stress, abuse, greed or kids.
It still boils down to wanting to escape life and pain though our
addictions. The concept of working within my limits and comfort zone
sprouted from my own clutter work. I found I could not keep a mantle
dusted when I had 20 things on it but could keep it clean when it only
had 3 things. Now, the 20 things were not cheap things by any means,
they were carved ivories, carved jades, antique oriental porcelain, a
19th century musical tortoiseshell clock and an 11th century stone
craving from India. Many, many thousands dollars on that mantle, yet
it was all turned into dusty trash because it overwhelmed my
comfortable capabilities to maintain. In fact, if there was a few
square inches of mantle showing through I would think on buying
something else a to fill that spot. Learning about the importance of
numbers and how it related to my recovery clarity brought me the
concept of "living my life by the numbers." (If you missed my earlier
post "Living your Life By the Numbers" and wish a copy of it write
me.)
Once I learned this concept of "living my life by the numbers" I was
able to apply this numerical clarity to many other addiction areas
whether it be sex addiction, clutter, food, time management or kids. I
now use number to take ME out of the picture and put recovery in the
drivers seat and it all revolves around the question of "comfortable
capabilities." We all heard of HALTS, yet of us make little use of it
since we have no clarity of where our boundaries are. in a word we are
VAGUE. I heard of HALTS in the mid 1970's yet until I became aware of
the importance of my comfortable limits, measured within my program by
numerical clarity I seldom applied it. I guess it is just too general
of a term HALTS is. But with clarity and measurability HALTS came
alive for me and suddenly became a useful recovery tool. My Debtors
Anonymous program was my first exposure to using numerical clarity and
thus one recovery program helped another.
I first thought of the importance of living within my (stress) means
when it came to paying bills one day. I was overwhelmed with some work
and could not bring myself to pay the bills for a few days. My bill
paying routine was to sit in front of the TV and write checks. Anyway
you cut it, that is not much work to pay the bills in front of the TV.
But, to me I didn't care. It had nothing to do with money, as I had a
few thousand dollars in the bank more what I needed to pay the bills.
I just wanted to sit in front of the TV and veg out and didn't want to
be bothered with anything. Now when I feel that way or come home and
don't have the mental energy to make a sandwich for lunch this is a
signpost for me to take a look at my lifestyle. As I probably need to
scale back with stress and I'm headed down the wrong road again. What
is voluntary simplicity in a nutshell? If you can't keep up, you scale
back until you can keep up.
An overeater once told me that she became aware of a signpost that her
program was heading downhill when "The first thing to go is the
crudities" (referring to not eating her raw vegetables as a signpost
that she was headed in the wrong direction with her food program.)
There are many signposts that we can look for in our own lives to warn
us that we are getting too busy for recovery. This helps avoid a binge
if we can see it coming on and change directions. Working against our
higher power and praying all the while does little good. We need to
match footwork with mouthwork - we need to talk and walk in the same
direction. We all have another binge within us - but maybe not another
recovery? When I am too disgusted and tired to exercise, I'd better
pay attention to how I am living. (If you missed my earlier post
entitled "The Definition of a Miracle is the Suspension of Natural
Law" it goes into more details about footwork matching mouthwork.)
Each of us we all have different capabilities. Yours might be ten
times more of what mine is, or it may be ten times less. In the end,
it really doesn't matter whether it is higher or lower, all that
matters is you accept your own abilities and work each day to live
within these means. I do know that we all have boundaries or limits
and once an addict is pushed too far outside of the limits they are
headed for trouble. If they think they are immune to this just because
they have a recovery program they are wrong. If they were immune to
slips they wouldn't be an addict anymore would they? So, whether it be
the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak or the flesh is weak but
the spirit is willing, something has to give. So check out your
comfort zone and make sure you know the signposts of when things are
coming undone in your own life.
Recently there have been a couple of mothers in the news for killing
all their children. They were both home schooling mothers too. In my
opinion, these are two extreme cases of not living within your
comfortable means whether it is financial, energy, spiritual, mental
or ability means. I think if they were more in tune with their
comfortable limits and abilities their kids would still be around.
These mothers saw no other way out. Their ego or their husbands ego
ruled and forced them to such actions. When we work in unnatural
directions, it is usually ego driven. For if we let peace guide us,
our actions become natural, comfortable and sustainable.
It is almost an impossibility to be perfectly comfortable in life or
recovery no matter how hard we try. With families, work, sickness,
money issues and life in general we will get many opportunities to be
uncomfortable in life. Now, if we have no concern for our comfort and
just keep making ourselves uncomfortable, plus we add all the free
problems life gives us then we will be definitely overloaded. So, this
is the importance of being aware of our comfort zone and boundaries in
life - cut down on your problems and don't add to them.
"Remember, peace is just another name for the integrity of being which
enables man to respond to life without inner conflict. A mind which is
in pieces cannot be a mind at peace." -- B. Phillips
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
_ Prof. Jonez _
Not for the idiot superstitious christian imbeciles ...
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged,
he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young
woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has
relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and
there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help
though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.
I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and will give them to
your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have
done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all
Israel,
and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."
Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin:
you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed,
the child born to you must surely die." (The child dies seven days later.)
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NLT
Suppose you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God
hands them over to you and you take captives. And suppose you see
among the captives a beautiful woman, and you are attracted to her and
want to marry her. If this happens, you may take her to your home,
where she must shave her head, cut her fingernails, and change all
her clothes. Then she must remain in your home for a full month,
mourning for her father and mother. After that you may marry her.
But if you marry her and then decide you do not like her, you must
let her go free. You may not sell her or treat her as a slave,
for you have humiliated her.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of
rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he
shall surely be put to death.
Lev 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely
be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as
well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the
name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
Josh 1:18 Whosoever he be that doth rebel against thy commandment, and
will not hearken unto thy words in all that thou commandest him, he shall
be put to death: only be strong and of a good courage.
2 Chr 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be
put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Larry
I don't know one way or the other. Unlike you, I don't jump to
conclusions not supported by any evidence whatsoever.
_ Prof. Jonez _
So why open your prevaricating pie-hole ?
Denis Loubet
"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191364014.9...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
(snip)
> Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
But hitmen are so *expensive*.
--
Denis Loubet
dlo...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
Larry
Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
whatsoever. As usual.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> included.
Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
It's clearly stated in the Subject of the post.
_ Prof. Jonez _
You're lying again, as usual.
" I don't know a single attorney, public or private,
who knows his/her attorney registration number."
-- Larry Glasser
Robibnikoff
"Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in message
news:_8qdne5MxvZvQZ_a...@io.com...
>
> "V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1191364014.9...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> (snip)
>> Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
>
> But hitmen are so *expensive*.
True, though I did come across one 20 years ago that would do it for only
$500.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Frank Mayhar
> "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in message
> news:_8qdne5MxvZvQZ_a...@io.com...
>>
>> "V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1191364014.9...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... (snip)
>>> Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
>>
>> But hitmen are so *expensive*.
>
> True, though I did come across one 20 years ago that would do it for
> only $500.
Yeah, but, y'know, you get what you pay for...
--
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Al Klein
wrote:
[piggybacking]
>"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1191364014.9...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>(snip)
>> Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
Only one viable "option" for you, since you (hopefully) don't have
kids.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:47:26 -0600, "_> [...]
>
>>>>>>> What makes you think she is Christian, you ignorant fool?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you once again denying that fact, eh Larry ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know one way or the other.
>>>>
>>>> So why open your prevaricating pie-hole ?
>>>
>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
>>> whatsoever. As usual.
>>
>> You're lying again, as usual.
>
> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist. I'm just using
> your logic here.
There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm just using
your "logic" here.
_ Prof. Jonez _
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:45:21 -0600, "_
> belief system.
Are you denying that she is a christian?
>
>> It's clearly stated in the Subject of the post.
>>
>
> No,
Yes.
Why do you habitually lie?
> it clearly states she was/is an atheist.
Why do christian scum like you habitually lie?
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:29:55 -0600, "•
> UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
>>>>> whatsoever. As usual.
>>>>
>>>> You're lying again, as usual.
>>>
>>> There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist. I'm just
>>> using your logic here.
>>
>> There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
>> view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm just
>> using your "logic" here.
>
You're the one claiming she's an Atheist.
> And
> there's nothing in the article to suggest she has any religious
> belief.
The subject title cleary states she is a Christian. Do learn how
to read, jackass.
> How deep rooted is your mental illness?
"Let's pretend breathing is outlawed and everyone the world
over ceases inhaling and exhaling.
There will be NO change in CO2 levels since we exhale carbon
monoxide, not carbon dioxide, stupid."
- Kent Wills si-untist
Larry
"• UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
> Kent Wills wrote:
> > As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:29:55 -0600, "•
> > UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >>>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
> >>>>> whatsoever. As usual.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're lying again, as usual.
> >>>
> >>> There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
> >>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist. I'm just
> >>> using your logic here.
> >>
> >> There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
> >> view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm just
> >> using your "logic" here.
> >
> > I'm not the one claiming the woman is a Christian.
>
> You're the one claiming she's an Atheist.
You claimed she is Christian. Without any scintilla of proof.
> > And
> > there's nothing in the article to suggest she has any religious
> > belief.
>
> The subject title cleary states she is a Christian. Do learn how
> to read, jackass.
The subject title is not in the article, making Kent's statement
accurate.
• UltraMan •
Kent's statement is false, as usual --
"There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist."
Why do you lie for Kent, eh Larry ?
" What do you think a "DNA Warrant" is? There is no such thing. "
-- Larry the Legal Imbecile
Larry
"¥ UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
Kent said that there is nothing nothing in the article to suggest she
has religious belief. (Which there isn't. And you know this but are
being disingenuous, because otherwise you'd quote from the article).
You stated that the subject title states she is Christian. Whether
you're talking about the thread title (which you created yourself) or
the news article title, neither one is "in the article," making Kent's
statement accurate, and making you wrong, as usual.
> "There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist."
Who said that? This is such a leap and invocation of a logical fallacy
that it must have been an original thought of yours, no?
Al Klein
wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:44:50 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
>
>> "Denis Loubet" <dlo...@io.com> wrote in message
>> news:_8qdne5MxvZvQZ_a...@io.com...
>>>
>>> "V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1191364014.9...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... (snip)
>>>> Instead of killing the kids or yourself - there are other options.
>>>
>>> But hitmen are so *expensive*.
>>
>> True, though I did come across one 20 years ago that would do it for
>> only $500.
>
>Yeah, but, y'know, you get what you pay for...
For $500 he just annoys his victim a little.
taml...@gmail.com
> On Oct 2, 2:43 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:22:55 -0600, _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>
> > > Larry wrote:
>
> > > Are you once again denying that fact, eh Larry ?
>
>
> Reading the article, and applying a Prof Jonez level of intellectual
> standards, I immediately leaped to the conclusion that the mother's
> religion was Jedi. You start fooling around with the dark side of the
> force and these things happen.
>
> But in contrast, when was the last time you heard of a Trekker killing
> their kid? See, tells you which is the superior way of life.
>
> Bo Raxo
> --
> "Cowards die many times before their deaths,
> The valiant never taste of death but once."
> Shakespeare, Julius Ceaser, Act II Scene 2- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm not going 2 debate whether she was or was not a Christian. Only
her & God knows the truth. But I would like to say is that
"Christians" have put themselves in this light. They place themselves
so high above everyone else & then they fall for the eyes of the world
to see. They, or I need to say we Christians, need 2 quit judging
everyone & placing ourselves at God's left hand when we make the same
mistakes as those who have not believed. This isn't our job to debate
whether this lady is a Christian & just turned whack or she never was
a believer to begin with. Our job is to just love others into the
kingdom & leave the judgment to The Judge. You guys are feuding over
her religion when no one as yet to mention those babies and the horror
they must have felt when their "Christian" mother was drowning them.
The same lady that told them about Jesus (if she knew Him) was killing
them. It's such a sad sad thing.
Larry
Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:33:34 -0400, Larry
> <x...@y.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> "There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
> >> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist."
> >
> >Who said that? This is such a leap and invocation of a logical fallacy
> >that it must have been an original thought of yours, no?
>
> My hope was that the simpleton would see the folly of his
> logic. It's clear his mind is so messed up that he's unable to
> understand such a simple concept.
You think vox/jonez/ultra has ever admitted to being on the wrong side
of an argument in his life, ever? Just once? I doubt it, because he
ignores the facts that he doesn't like, and makes up ones he does (like
the religion of various people accused of crimes)
• UltraMan •
Well, now that you mention the babies, do tell us where, according
to your christian religion, those babies are now residing?
If the mother wasn't christian, then according to your perverse bible
and the wretched grotesque god of said bible, those babies now burning
in HELLFIRE for all of ETERNITY.
So to the stammering naysayers -- Kent + Larry -- don't you really
want to change your tune and hope to GAAAWD that this murderous
mother was indeed a christian, and had also baptized both her babies
before she slaughtered them ... or would you prefer those innocents
at this very moment be writhing and screaming in wretched god-ordained
agony, now and forevermore burning in hell, without reprieve, without parole,
without any hope.
You sick perverted shitsucking scumbags.
• UltraMan •
> In article <5mj1foF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Ą UltraMan Ą" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
>> Larry wrote:
>>> In article <5mj0p8F...@mid.individual.net>,
It does.
>> "There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist."
>
> Who said that? This is such a leap and invocation of a logical
> fallacy that it must have been an original thought of yours, no?
The lying christian jackass Kent Wills made that absurd statement.
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:17:10 -0600, "¥
> UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
>> Kent Wills wrote:
>>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:29:55 -0600, "¥
>>> UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
>>>>>>> whatsoever. As usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're lying again, as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>>>>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist. I'm just
>>>>> using your logic here.
>>>>
>>>> There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
>>>> view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm just
>>>> using your "logic" here.
>>>
>>> I'm not the one claiming the woman is a Christian.
>>
>> You're the one claiming she's an Atheist.
>
You being a stammering imbecile, probability has never been
your strong suit --
"At this point Madeleine is equally alive and dead."
-- Kent the imbecile Wills explains kwantum mahkaniks
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0600, "_> [...]
>
>>>> Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
>>> belief system.
>>
>> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>
> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> belief system.
Are you denying that she is a christian?
Yes or no?
Jayne Cobb
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:17:32 -0500, I found that Kent Wills
> <compu...@gmail.com> Scribbled the following on the bathroom wall:
>
> >>> Is there any particular reason you're unable to be honest
> >>>about anything?
>
> >>Yes.
>
> > So what is that reason?
>
> I think I can answer that for him...
>
> Jonezy has to lie to be somebody as deep down he knows he's an
> inadequate person.
And here I thought he was just following the play book.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/how-win-any.php
"1) NEVER DEFEND YOUR OWN POINTS"
"2) CLAIM YOU WORK IN WHATEVER FIELD YOU'RE ARGUING ABOUT"
"3) IF LOSING AN ARGUMENT, FEIGN FRUSTRATION AND THEN CLAIM YOU'RE
BLOCKING THE PERSON"
"4) AT SOME POINT IN TIME, CLAIM THE OTHER PERSON IS A NAZI"
I figured the next step would be #2 "Oh yeah will I know she wuz a
Christian because I'm the guy she murdered! Were you there?!? Huh?
No!!! Well I wuz so STFU!!!"
<shrugs>
JC
Jayne Cobb
> Kent Wills wrote:
> > As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0600, "_
>
> > [...]
>
> >>>> Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
>
> >>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> >>> belief system.
>
> >> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>
> > Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> > belief system.
>
> Are you denying that she is a christian?
I have not read the article but if it doesn't say then how would any
of us know one way or the other? Why would her religion be relevant?
JC
Snowman
Well, now that you mention the babies, do tell us where, according
to your christian religion, those babies are now residing?
Heaven,of course,being incapable of sin.
If the mother wasn't christian, then according to your perverse bible
and the wretched grotesque god of said bible, those babies now burning
in HELLFIRE for all of ETERNITY.
You're either totally ignorant of the Bible,
or flat out lying. I'll be polite and assume the former.
So to the stammering naysayers -- Kent + Larry -- don't you really
want to change your tune and hope to GAAAWD that this murderous
mother was indeed a christian, and had also baptized both her babies
before she slaughtered them ...
Why? Baptism doesn't save anyone.
It's an initiation ritual. We are not
saved by works,but by faith.
• UltraMan •
> On Oct 4, 2:15 am, "• UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
>> Well, now that you mention the babies, do tell us where, according
>> to your christian religion, those babies are now residing?
>
> Heaven,of course,being incapable of sin.
So there is no original sin, or reason to believe in or follow god/jesus in
order
to get to heaven, in your version of christianity, eh?
>>
>> If the mother wasn't christian, then according to your perverse bible
>> and the wretched grotesque god of said bible, those babies now burning
>> in HELLFIRE for all of ETERNITY.
>>
>
>> You're either totally ignorant of the Bible,
>> or flat out lying. I'll be polite and assume the former.
Sez the blasphemous infidel.
>> So to the stammering naysayers -- Kent + Larry -- don't you really
>> want to change your tune and hope to GAAAWD that this murderous
>> mother was indeed a christian, and had also baptized both her babies
>> before she slaughtered them ...
>>
>
> Why? Baptism doesn't save anyone.
> It's an initiation ritual. We are not
> saved by works,but by faith.
And what faith do non-believing children have, whether their parents are
christian idiots or not?
• UltraMan •
So if you read an article about how Joseph A. Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth,
morons like you, Kent and Larry would be clueless as to his religious beliefs,
eh?
>Why would her religion be relevant?
Why wouldn't it be?
Why would the religion of the Saudi Arabian 9.11 attackers be relevant?
taml...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obviously, you haven't opened my wretched grotesque God of The Bible
much or you would know that your statement was ignorant but now
discussing someone who is capable & of the age of making decisions of
their eternal life, I can't argue the same argument for someone who
denies the Spirit & makes that choice for himself. That mother
automatically sent those babies into the arms of the Lord. Granted,
sometimes my Lord seems cruel but it's now always within my
understanding. But, NO! We know those babies are definetely NOT in
hell. It wouldn't matter whether the mother was a Christian, babies,
no one can ride into heaven on the coat tail of their parents but they
were too young to make such a decision for themselves.
On another not, have you ever wondered why these parents just don't
kill themselves tho instead of the children?
MarkA
Snowman is demonstrating the wide variety of ways to interpret the
Word-O-God, as set forth in the bible. I know many Xtians who believe
Jesus when He says, "None come to the Father but thru me." Those who
don't believe in Jesus get sent to Hell. Also, baptism is necessary to be
"saved." (Wikipedia has a nice table, showing all the different
interpretations of baptism in different sects).
This leaves the "True Believers" with an uncomfortable choice: either
children go to Hell when they die, or, if they automatically go to Heaven,
why all the fuss over abortion? Isn't a short cut to Heaven, without
having to endure life on this Earth, a good thing?
(I am leaving all original newsgroups in the header, though I'm not sure
how relevant this thread will be on 'alt.true-crime'?)
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
TNKev
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:31:38 -0600, "•
> please address the point I raised.
> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> mentioning any religion or belief system, and that you lied yet again,
> continue to play the avoidance card.
>
>
Kent he already said "it says she is a Christian in the headers!"
you already know if he writes it,it is so.
TNKev
>
>
Jesus hung on the cross to forgive us our sins,we are born without sin.
those babies most definitely are in heaven. baptism is not a
prerequisite for entry to heaven.
taml...@gmail.com
> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:37:35 -0700, Jayne
> anyone does anything bad, they are a Christian. He'll plagiarize
> articles that make no mention of any religion and declare the person
> who did it is a Christian.
> When someone points out that no mention of religion is made,
> something the dullard should have noticed himself, he goes into k00k
> rant mode.
>
> >Why would her religion be relevant?
>
> PROVES he's not. He has far too much HATE for the Christian God not
> to believe.
> I kept pointing this out, which only served to anger him more.
> So much so that when my family and I were in El Salvador and Honduras,
> he started posting racist rants calling for me, Lindsay and our
> children to be killed. Me for being a "race traitor," Lindsay for
> being Hispanic and our children for being half Anglo half Hispanic.
>
> --
> Kent
> "The war for the future will be fought in the past."
> -- Jordan Collier- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I find these type of folks so ridiculously hilarious. I've never
really understood their arguments for the reasons they hate certain
religions or races but they'll fight those pathetic reasons to the
hilt never giving up because they don't want to "Betray their race".
How r u going 2 betray something that u urself had nothing 2 do with?
You came out of your mama's tail without having a choice. I dont
recall putting in my order for my race or color before I was born.
So, being born "white" does NOT place you above anyone. Actually,
there are going 2 be a lot of disappointed white people when they get
to heaven & find that Jesus has the bronze color of skin similar to
those in El Salvador & Honduras - probably even a little darker than
them. What makes you so high & mighty because your pigment is a
little different.
I'm not trying 2 downplay the fear you may have felt when u were with
your family, Kent. But, for real, we're the only idiots arguing w/
these 2 people & I'm not sure We even take them that serious. Hey,
I'm white & have a daughter by a black man. Please PLEASE send someone
out to my home & attempt to mess w/my family & the world will never
again know what race you were before you came shopping into redneck
country. Anyways, Kent, just don't pay them no never-mind. I
seriously believe they don't truly believe half of what they type.
They just want 2 try 2 stir someone up & that's where I find the
humor. But, I enjoy playing the game with them.
You're also right about "atheists" who hate us so ultimately bad. We
don't hate them for their beliefs nor do we call them on it. Maybe
that's because we know the real Truth. They are not sure of theirs.
I don't bash them 2 try 2 persuade them to believe so why bash us
trying 2 make us un-believe? It's because it scares them to death deep
down inside. What if we are right & they are wrong? Bad ending 2
that story & that scares the begeebers out of them so they take it out
on us just because we believe a little differently.
taml...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're wrong about baptism. The man on the cross never had the
chance to be baptized by Jesus told him "Today, you will be w/Me in
paradise". So that knocks that statement out of the water. And who
ever said Wilkipedia has the market on interpretting the Word. That's
another funny one. And, PS I luv Wilkipedia.
taml...@gmail.com
> Kent Wills wrote:
> > As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:31:38 -0600, "¥
> > UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
> >> Kent Wills wrote:
> >>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0600, "_
>
> >>> [...]
>
> >>>>>> Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
>
> >>>>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> >>>>> belief system.
> >>>> Are you denying that she is a christian?
> >>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> >>> belief system.
> >> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>
> >> Yes or no?
>
> > Avoidance noted. Now that you've played the avoidance card,
> > please address the point I raised.
> > Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> > belief system. If you're admitting there is nothing in the article
> > mentioning any religion or belief system, and that you lied yet again,
> > continue to play the avoidance card.
>
> Kent he already said "it says she is a Christian in the headers!"
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
lol. That one is cute
taml...@gmail.com
> Kent Wills wrote:
> > As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:31:38 -0600, "¥
> > UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
> >> Kent Wills wrote:
> >>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0600, "_
>
> >>> [...]
>
> >>>>>> Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
>
> >>>>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> >>>>> belief system.
> >>>> Are you denying that she is a christian?
> >>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> >>> belief system.
> >> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>
> >> Yes or no?
>
> > Avoidance noted. Now that you've played the avoidance card,
> > please address the point I raised.
> > Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
> > belief system. If you're admitting there is nothing in the article
> > mentioning any religion or belief system, and that you lied yet again,
> > continue to play the avoidance card.
>
> Kent he already said "it says she is a Christian in the headers!"
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Funny Funny
Snowman
So if you read an article about how Joseph A. Ratzinger joined the
Hitler Youth,
morons like you, Kent and Larry would be clueless as to his religious
beliefs,
eh?
He was drafted,actually.
Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory.
_ Prof. Jonez _
Have you notified the Vatican about your heretical interpretation ?
_ Prof. Jonez _
That's what all the Nazi's claimed ... someone made them do it.
LOL!
How'd that defense work at Nuremberg ?
_ Prof. Jonez _
> Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:33:34 -0400, Larry
>> <x...@y.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> "There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>>>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist."
>>>
>>> fallacy that it must have been an original thought of yours, no?
>>
>> logic. It's clear his mind is so messed up that he's unable to
>> understand such a simple concept.
>
> You think vox/jonez/ultra has ever admitted to being on the wrong side
> of an argument in his life, ever? Just once?
" [The Jury] might have unanimously found that he probably committed the crime,
or likely committed them, or possibly committed them - *or* that he was in fact
innocent."
-- Larry the idiot
"The jury was hung. Whether it was hung 11 for the top count and 1
for a lesser count or 1 for the top count and 11 to acquit is of no legal
relevance in terms of bail."
-- Larry the legal imbecile
" Actually, prisons are one of the few public places where
you can still smoke."
-- Larry the idiot
"What do you think a "DNA Warrant" is? There is no such thing."
-- Larry the lying legal stooge
"There are over 1300 ADAs in New York City alone, and
I personally know at least a half-dozen named Larry or Lawrence."
-- Larry the eponymous fool
" I don't know a single attorney, public or private,
who knows his/her attorney registration number."
-- Larry Glasser
MarkA
> You're wrong about baptism. The man on the cross never had the
> chance to be baptized by Jesus told him "Today, you will be w/Me in
> paradise". So that knocks that statement out of the water. And who
> ever said Wilkipedia has the market on interpretting the Word. That's
> another funny one. And, PS I luv Wilkipedia.
I said that Wikipedia has a summary of what different sects say about
baptism. That's what Wikipedia does. It provides information, but you
have to be able to learn from it to do any good. It is not "interpreting
the Word." And, if you look at the summary, you will note that several of
the religions listed believe that baptism is necessary to enter Heaven.
TNKev
I am not Catholic.
I have read the Bible though,the King James version that is. albeit
another persons interpretation of the original it does say all that is
needed to be forgiven is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior and you
are forgiven and will spend eternity with God in heaven.
TNKev
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:01:39 -0500, TNKev
> <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>
>>> Avoidance noted. Now that you've played the avoidance card,
>>> please address the point I raised.
>>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
>>> belief system. If you're admitting there is nothing in the article
>>> mentioning any religion or belief system, and that you lied yet again,
>>> continue to play the avoidance card.
>>>
>>>
>> Kent he already said "it says she is a Christian in the headers!"
>>
>> you already know if he writes it,it is so.
>
> equal: None) so I guess the simpleton will have to accept that she's
> an atheist. Unless he's so messed up mentally that he's just not
> able.
>
one the switches in his head won't turn on, I think they call that a
broken neural synapse,he may have a serious medical problem that strikes
him stupid.
tjab
<taml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 4, 4:04 am, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:37:35 -0700, Jayne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cobb <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Kent Wills wrote:
>> >> > As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:23 -0600, "_
>> >> > Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > [...]
>>
>> >> >>>> Why do you habitually lie, eh Kent?
>>
>> >> >>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
>> >> >>> belief system.
>>
>> >> >> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>>
>> >> > Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
>> >> > belief system.
>>
>> >> Are you denying that she is a christian?
>>
>> >I have not read the article but if it doesn't say then how would any
If you actually check it out, you'll find out that Kent is lying
about Ultra calling for him to be killed. Not a very Christian thing
to do, but then neither is burglarizing a house while people are
sleeping in it. I wonder how many more of the Commandments Kent
thinks are optional?
tjab
Kent Wills <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:17:10 -0600, "¥>>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:29:55 -0600, "¥
>>> UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any evidence
>>>>>>> whatsoever. As usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're lying again, as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>>>>> using your logic here.
>>>>
>>>> There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
>>>> view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm just
>>>> using your "logic" here.
>>>
>>> I'm not the one claiming the woman is a Christian.
>>
>>You're the one claiming she's an Atheist.
>
> It's as probable as your claim.
Hardly. 82% of Americans identify as Christian, 3% as atheist.
I'm no statistician but those sound like 27 to 1 odds is favor
of Christian to me.
• UltraMan •
Religion is antithetical to learning.
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 04 Oct 2007 07:37:43 -0400, MarkA
> <to...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Snowman is demonstrating the wide variety of ways to interpret the
>> Word-O-God, as set forth in the bible. I know many Xtians who
>> believe Jesus when He says, "None come to the Father but thru me."
>> Those who don't believe in Jesus get sent to Hell.
>
> God would have lied when He made the covenant with them.
> Clearly Jesus couldn't have meant what some want it to mean.
OMG! -- Now Kent Wills presumes to speak for Jesus!
What a Kaldisturbed heretic you are.
>
>> Also, baptism is necessary to be
>> "saved." (Wikipedia has a nice table, showing all the different
>> interpretations of baptism in different sects).
>>
>> This leaves the "True Believers" with an uncomfortable choice:
>> either children go to Hell when they die, or, if they automatically
>> go to Heaven, why all the fuss over abortion? Isn't a short cut to
>> Heaven, without having to endure life on this Earth, a good thing?
>
> I've not heard anyone claim that aborted children go to Hell.
> Since the Bible indicates that life begins with the first breath, it
> becomes a moot point, really.
Really? Do tell Kent.
Have you informed the Vatican and the other Christian anti-abortion
extremeist of your newfound interpretation?
>>
>> (I am leaving all original newsgroups in the header, though I'm not
>> sure how relevant this thread will be on 'alt.true-crime'?)
Religion is a Crime.
>
> Not very, but Jonezie's posts have a way of going OT for most
> groups listed.
• UltraMan •
So Stalin, Hitler and Pot could all be lounging in Heaven right now,
all they had to do was, at the last moment, "accept Jesus", and they
would be forgiven for everything ... OTOH a child who's murdered
by her mother, and has no clue who the fuck this Jesus clown is,
will ROT IN HELL for ETERNITY, eh?
• UltraMan •
> "Ą UltraMan Ą" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> You guys are feuding over
>>> her religion when no one as yet to mention those babies and the
>>> horror they must have felt when their "Christian" mother was
>>> drowning them. The same lady that told them about Jesus (if she
>>> knew Him) was killing them. It's such a sad sad thing.
>>
>> Well, now that you mention the babies, do tell us where, according
>> to your christian religion, those babies are now residing?
>>
>
You just can't stop lying, can you christian scum?
From: Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.law-enforcement,alt.religion.christian,alt.true-crime,can.legal,misc.legal
Subject: Re: __ White Christian U$ Citizen Stabs Her Newborn 135 Times ! <=
American Family Values -- braise jaayzus! __
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:14:24 -0500
Message-ID: qui4235vh7o5k5pg5...@4ax.com
"_ Prof. Jonez_ wrote:
>Now answer the question, according to your perverted grotesque
>superstition, where exactly does the soul of this unbaptized murdered
>newborn go for the rest of eternity?
Kent Wills answered:
Hell. While I find this unfair, I didn't make the rules. And
I believe there is a reason for it.
Prof. Jonez questioned:
>According to your perverted grotesque superstition,
>where exactly does the soul of this unbaptized murdered
>newborn go for the rest of eternity?
Kent Wills responded: Hell.
May your children end up in Hellfire for all of Eternity for a similarly trivial
transgression against your sick and twisted god cretin.
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:26:58 -0600, "¥
>>> UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As was fortold by the sage, on Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:29:55 -0600, "¥
>>>>> UltraMan ¥" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because you made a claim completely unsupported by any
>>>>>>>>> evidence whatsoever. As usual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're lying again, as usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is nothing in the article to even suggest any religious
>>>>>>> view or belief. As such, it's clear she's an atheist. I'm just
>>>>>>> using your logic here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's noting in your post above to even suggest any religious
>>>>>> view or belief. As suck it's clear that you're an atheist. I'm
>>>>>> just using your "logic" here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not the one claiming the woman is a Christian.
>>>>
>>>> You're the one claiming she's an Atheist.
>>>
>>> It's as probable as your claim.
>>
>> your strong suit --
>
> Then offer verifiable evidence that she is a Christian.
Soon as you offer verifiable evidence that your grotesque perverted christian
god exists.
> A web site proving a woman of the same name, but living in a different state
> didn't work the last time, and it won't work this time either.
Still denying reality, eh Kent?
>
>>
>> "At this point Madeleine is equally alive and dead."
>> -- Kent the imbecile Wills explains kwantum mahkaniks
>>
>
> Can you be honest about anything, ever?
> When did I every claim quantum mechanics [note the proper
> spelling]?
That parts a joke, son, a jab at your hysterically absurd
assertion that the missing girl from Portugal is "equally alive and dead".
• UltraMan •
Kent the dumbest teacher from eye o wah really doesn't comprehend
probabilities, does he?
"At this point Madeleine [McCann] is equally alive and dead."
-- Kent the imbecile Wills opens his ignorant pie-hole once again
• UltraMan •
So what's new?
> about Ultra calling for him to be killed. Not a very Christian thing
> to do, but then neither is burglarizing a house while people are
> sleeping in it. I wonder how many more of the Commandments Kent
> thinks are optional?
Perhaps those that will have the sins of the father visited upon his children
by his wretched perverted psychopathic gaaawd creature.
Jayne Cobb
[...]
> >I find these type of folks so ridiculously hilarious. I've never
> >really understood their arguments for the reasons they hate certain
> >religions or races but they'll fight those pathetic reasons to the
> >hilt never giving up because they don't want to "Betray their race".
>
> If you actually check it out, you'll find out that Kent is lying
> about Ultra calling for him to be killed.
Okay, I will. I will research it thoroughly and get back to you with
the results. If you have any links or suggestions regarding key words
I would appreciate the help.
> Not a very Christian thing
> to do, but then neither is burglarizing a house while people are
> sleeping in it.
Are you accusing Kent of that as well? I don't understand what you
are implying. If you are making an accusation could you show me the
evidence?
> I wonder how many more of the Commandments Kent
> thinks are optional?
You don't know too much about B.A.C.s? They aim for a goal that they
admit is impossible to reach. No mere human can live that life and
that is strait from Church doctrine going all the way back to Paul.
If the goal was humanly possible then they wouldn't need divine help.
Now since you are accusing Kent of burglary I'm sure you have evidence
to back it up. Let's see it. I hope you are not basing all of this
on Bugged's libel.
JC
• UltraMan •
Jayne Cobb
> On Oct 4, 5:16 pm, t...@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > >I find these type of folks so ridiculously hilarious. I've never
> > >really understood their arguments for the reasons they hate certain
> > >religions or races but they'll fight those pathetic reasons to the
> > >hilt never giving up because they don't want to "Betray their race".
>
> > If you actually check it out, you'll find out that Kent is lying
> > about Ultra calling for him to be killed.
>
> Okay, I will. I will research it thoroughly and get back to you with
> the results. If you have any links or suggestions regarding key words
> I would appreciate the help.
[...]
> Now since you are accusing Kent of burglary I'm sure you have evidence
> to back it up. Let's see it. I hope you are not basing all of this
> on Bugged's libel.
Just from a quick search I found where UltraMan libeled Kent and
convinced Atlas Bugged to do the same. Now ~that~ was a bad
decision. If that was what you were basing your burglary accusation
on then the claim fails. In addition to the one in jail there is a
Kent Wills in Nevada, three in Iowa, one in Ohio, one in Texas,
Arizona, Colorado, Tennessee, and Florida.
This reminds me of a great moment in film staring our beloved Nathan
Fillion along with two even better known actors.
J. Frederick R.: "That... That can't be. My brothers are still in
grammar school."
Captain Miller: You're James Ryan?
J. Frederick R.: "Yeah."
Captain Miller: "James Francis Ryan from Iowa?"
J. Frederick R.: "James Frederick Ryan, Minnesota."
-Saving Private Ryan
I found where someone thretened Kent and tried to out his family on
Aug 2nd. It's going to take me a while to figure out who comited that
crime so if anybody wants to help me with a link or point me in the
right direction I thank them.
JC
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:22:31 -0600, "•
> UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
>>> If you actually check it out, you'll find out that Kent is lying
>>
>> So what's new?
>
> lie, you've not been able.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>
>>
>>> about Ultra calling for him to be killed. Not a very Christian thing
>>> to do, but then neither is burglarizing a house while people are
>>> sleeping in it. I wonder how many more of the Commandments Kent
>>> thinks are optional?
>>
>> Perhaps those that will have the sins of the father visited upon his
>> children by his wretched perverted psychopathic gaaawd creature.
>>
>
> Let's hope you have no children then. If so, they're in a lot
> of trouble, if your religious belief system is accurate.
You gonna teach yours the very christian trait of Felony Burglary ?
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
• UltraMan •
> On Oct 4, 7:13 pm, Jayne Cobb <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 5:16 pm, t...@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> I find these type of folks so ridiculously hilarious. I've never
>>>> really understood their arguments for the reasons they hate certain
>>>> religions or races but they'll fight those pathetic reasons to the
>>>> hilt never giving up because they don't want to "Betray their
>>>> race".
>>
>>> If you actually check it out, you'll find out that Kent is lying
>>> about Ultra calling for him to be killed.
>>
>> Okay, I will. I will research it thoroughly and get back to you with
>> the results. If you have any links or suggestions regarding key
>> words I would appreciate the help.
>
> [...]
>> Now since you are accusing Kent of burglary I'm sure you have
>> evidence to back it up. Let's see it. I hope you are not basing
>> all of this on Bugged's libel.
>
>
> Just from a quick search I found where UltraMan libeled Kent and
> convinced Atlas Bugged to do the same.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
> Now ~that~ was a bad decision.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>If that was what you were basing your burglary accusation
> on then the claim fails.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>In addition to the one in jail there is a
> Kent Wills in Nevada, three in Iowa, one in Ohio, one in Texas,
> Arizona, Colorado, Tennessee, and Florida.
How many from Ankeny Iowa ?
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
Jayne Cobb
<snip>
> > Now since you are accusing Kent of burglary I'm sure you have evidence
> > to back it up. Let's see it. I hope you are not basing all of this
> > on Bugged's libel.
>
> http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
Atlas is responsible for his own actions but looking at it in
hindsight you were part of the train wreck. Ouch!
By now you have to know for a fact that our Kent Wills isn't any of
the three Kent Wills who live in Iowa let alone the one who went to
jail. Why would you keep saying it when you ~know~ it isn't true?
Now with that out of the way do you have any helpful hints that would
show you never posted under the name "Kent Wills is a race traitor" or
"tjab is a poofer"? Thanks.
JC
taml...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Can you explain this statement for some of us newcomers? Thanks
• UltraMan •
> On Oct 4, 8:19 pm, "• UltraMan •" <ul...@man.jp> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>> Now since you are accusing Kent of burglary I'm sure you have
>>> evidence to back it up. Let's see it. I hope you are not basing
>>> all of this on Bugged's libel.
>>
>> http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>
>
> Atlas is responsible for his own actions but looking at it in
> hindsight you were part of the train wreck. Ouch!
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>
> By now you have to know for a fact that our Kent Wills isn't any of
> the three Kent Wills who live in Iowa let alone the one who went to
> jail. Why would you keep saying it when you ~know~ it isn't true?
Kent's never denied it.
In fact he continually alludes to it being accurate.
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
>
> Now with that out of the way do you have any helpful hints that would
> show you never posted under the name "Kent Wills is a race traitor" or
> "tjab is a poofer"? Thanks.
Why would I?
I post anything I desire from my known nyms, have so for 10,000s of
posts since 1995.
• UltraMan •
> As was fortold by the sage, on Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:35:29 -0500, TNKev
> <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>
>> Kent Wills wrote:
>>> TNKev <onlyth...@alltimes.yep> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Avoidance noted. Now that you've played the avoidance card,
>>>>> please address the point I raised.
>>>>> Please point out where the article mentions ANY religion or
>>>>> article mentioning any religion or belief system, and that you
>>>>> lied yet again, continue to play the avoidance card.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Kent he already said "it says she is a Christian in the headers!"
>>>>
>>>> you already know if he writes it,it is so.
>>>
>>> But I wrote that she's an atheist (the evidence for both is
>>> equal: None) so I guess the simpleton will have to accept that she's
>>> an atheist. Unless he's so messed up mentally that he's just not
>>> able.
>>>
>>
>> one the switches in his head won't turn on, I think they call that a
>> broken neural synapse,he may have a serious medical problem that
>> strikes him stupid.
>
> I don't know exactly what is wrong with him, of course. Given
> that he's called for my death, and the death of my family, I'm not
> willing to be close enough to make a more reasonable guess.
> That he is mentally unstable is something no one is debating.
No debating this -
http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
taml...@gmail.com
As much as I don't seem 2 like this guy, I have to agree w/his
statement of "Why Would I"? He doesn't seem 2 have a problem saying
what he truly feels under his known name so why would he disguise his
name at other times. Just a thought.
Jayne Cobb
[...]
> > I don't know exactly what is wrong with him, of course. Given
> > that he's called for my death, and the death of my family, I'm not
> > willing to be close enough to make a more reasonable guess.
> > That he is mentally unstable is something no one is debating.
>
> No debating this -http://www.doc.state.ia.us/InmateInfo.asp?OffenderCd=1155768
That's true. It has been completely ruled out. It would be
impossible for our Kent Wills to be that Kent Wills. There is no room
for debate. But this was already explained to you. You already knew
the truth and posted this as false evidence. Why would you do that?
If it turns out that Kent leveled a false accusation at you regarding
the racist threats then you do yourself a disservice to lie about him
being a felon. You hurt your own credibility.
JC