Did these people deserve to die?

J

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Nov 3, 2012, 5:40:38 PM11/3/12

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These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be

--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

http://www.americandecency.org/

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 5:51:28 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be

It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.

Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice. Despite how we
personally feel.
Despite, that we think abortion is wrong.

It's still, her choice. And in the end, when a woman faces her
maker...it will not be
you or I she stands in front of. It will not be you or I who passes
that final judgement.

So if it's truly wrong, then let the one and only true judge, make
that decision.
I will still speak out and say, I think abortion is wrong. But I will
respect and honor
a woman's right to choice.

I served in the United States Military, and today, I still serve the
public. And one of the things we stand for, is to protect
a persons freedom and rights. And women have the freedom and the
right to choose. So at the end of the day, what you or I think
is not important. Her choice is important. And in many other
countries, women die and don't have that right. Be thankful we live in
a country, where we have these freedoms and rights.

As long as we remember that, it's ok to say abortion is wrong. As
long as we don't stand in a persons way, from exercising their
freedoms.

Syd M.

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Nov 3, 2012, 7:28:34 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:

> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
>

So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
I think not, misogynist.

PDW

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 7:31:27 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?

No one is asking the fetus to have priority. But facts are facts.
Once conception has begun, a unique life has started. And her
body is doing exactly what it it is designed to do.
The fact that some of you like to use scare tactics, doesn't change
that fact. That her body is equipped and designed to bring forward
life.

> I think not, misogynist.

What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?

Scare tactic?
Bullying?

kni...@baawa.com

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Nov 3, 2012, 7:32:10 PM11/3/12

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:40:38 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be

So now we're using rape to push your superstition....

I wish I could be shocked but I'm not.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

elizabeth

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Nov 3, 2012, 7:33:36 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 2:51 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:

Heishman, the sad fact is, no woman on the planet cares what you think
she should do with her body.
And since the god of the bible is actully proabortion, and since there
are no bans on abortion in the nation or in the catholic church until
the latter half of the 19th Century, so now you presume to speak to
what god wants?

Hmmm, so Jesus was wrong about everything? How sad for you.

elizabeth

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Nov 3, 2012, 7:36:43 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 4:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?

There are over 7 billion people on the planet. And millions of them
die every year of preventable causes, mostly due to overpopulation.
So, you say that a fetus has some sort of mystical claim to a woman's
body because it's "unique" but after it's born, let it die horribly?

> No one is asking the fetus to have priority. But facts are facts.
> Once conception has begun, a unique life has started. And her
> body is doing exactly what it it is designed to do.

Since the species is now in danger of great harm because of
overbreeding, maybe you and your ilk should do what the human body is
designed to do and die by age 30?

> The fact that some of you like to use scare tactics, doesn't change
> that fact. That her body is equipped and designed to bring forward
> life.

So?

> > I think not, misogynist.
>
> What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?
>
> Scare tactic?
> Bullying?

Nope, sanity.\

Because you telling a woman what to do with her body is exactly what a
rapist does, Heishman.

Kill yourself. Do one good thing with your lack of life.

Jeanne Douglas

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Nov 3, 2012, 8:05:37 PM11/3/12

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In article <630oi0....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>
wrote:

> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be

Irrelevant.

Each case is unique and it's the woman's decision. Period.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

Syd M.

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Nov 3, 2012, 8:18:46 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>
> No one is asking the fetus to have priority.

Yes, you are.
Everytime you insist that a pregnent woman carry her fetus to term
weather she wants to or not, you are giving the fetus priority.
I have explained this to you repeatedly. It's not my fault you don't
want to hear it.

>
> > I think not, misogynist.
>
> What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?
>
>

Because you don't think a grown woman can make decisions about her own
body.

PDW

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 8:23:09 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>
> > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>
> Yes, you are.

Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is
intended to do.

A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
Should the heart have priority over your body?

A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.

You are having a hard time understanding that, I know.

> Everytime you insist that a pregnent woman carry her fetus to term
> weather she wants to or not, you are giving the fetus priority.

Mmm... a lie. Where did I insist that a pregnant woman carry to term?

This is the part where you run away.

> I have explained this to you repeatedly. It's not my fault you don't
> want to hear it.

Uh, you got to show me where I EVER insisted that a pregnant woman
carry to term.

>
>
>
> > > I think not, misogynist.
>
> > What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?
>
> Because you don't think a grown woman can make decisions about her own
> body.

Where did I ever say that?

Again, this is the part where you run away.

And the part where I can say, I've proven you to be a liar.

Because you have lied.

a) I've NEVER said a pregnant woman be forced or insist she carry to
term.

b) I've NEVER said that a grown woman is not able to make decisions
about her own body.

Care to lie some more?

Syd M.

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Nov 3, 2012, 8:45:56 PM11/3/12

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So, you don't think a fetus should have more priority then a woman?
Then you are not anti-abortion then, liar?

PDW

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 8:52:37 PM11/3/12

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On Nov 3, 8:45 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 8:23 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> > > > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>
> > > > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>
> > > Yes, you are.
>
> > Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is
> > intended to do.
>
> > A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
> > Should the heart have priority over your body?
>
> > A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.

Wow, Syd is ignoring this

>
> > You are having a hard time understanding that, I know.
>
> > > Everytime you insist that a pregnent woman carry her fetus to term
> > > weather she wants to or not, you are giving the fetus priority.
>
> > Mmm... a lie. Where did I insist that a pregnant woman carry to term?
>
> > This is the part where you run away.

I smell the rubber burning.

>
> > > I have explained this to you repeatedly. It's not my fault you don't
> > > want to hear it.
>
> > Uh, you got to show me where I EVER insisted that a pregnant woman
> > carry to term.
>
> > > > > I think not, misogynist.
>
> > > > What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?
>
> > > Because you don't think a grown woman can make decisions about her own
> > > body.
>
> > Where did I ever say that?

No answer

>
> > Again, this is the part where you run away.
>
> > And the part where I can say, I've proven you to be a liar.
>
> > Because you have lied.
>
> > a) I've NEVER said a pregnant woman be forced or insist she carry to
> > term.
>
> > b) I've NEVER said that a grown woman is not able to make decisions
> > about her own body.
>
> > Care to lie some more?
>
> So, you don't think a fetus should have more priority then a woman?
> Then you are not anti-abortion then, liar?

You have some lies to address. And answering them with a question, is
not helping you.

Now, show where I've EVER insisted any woman be forced to carry a baby
to term.
Otherwise retract and apologize for lying.

Show where I've EVER said a grown woman is not able to make decisions
about her own body.
Otherwise retract and apologize for lying.

You see, you liars are not capable of owning up. Which will be my next
point. Instead, you will try to twist this around because right now
you know I have you backed into a corner.
So instead of doing the right thing, and just coming out and admitting
you are wrong and apologizing, you are going to continue to try to
avoid and twist this.

You are in FACT...the liar.

Proven!

Syd M.

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Stop it.
You know what you believe.
If your pro-life, your anti-woman.
Simple as that.

PDW

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 9:43:54 PM11/3/12

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Yep, I know what I believe. But you have to lie about it.

> If your pro-life, your anti-woman.

Oh?
And where is your proof?

> Simple as that.

Yep, you're a liar. And it's proven.

You can't even own up to your own words, coward.

Syd M.

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Nov 3, 2012, 9:57:56 PM11/3/12

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So, you don't believe a mother should be forced to carry her fetus to
term?
That's the statement I haven't noticed you tackling, liar.

PDW

Beavis

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Nov 3, 2012, 10:22:19 PM11/3/12

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We Christians believe that all life is sacred. You atheists want to
exterminate Jews, blacks, and homosexuals. And your posting proves it.

Syd M.

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Nov 3, 2012, 10:38:00 PM11/3/12

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Stop lying.

PDW

Dino

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Nov 3, 2012, 10:45:57 PM11/3/12

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It is your claim to prove. So don't answer my question with a
question.
YOU made a claim, I expect YOU to be able to either

a) support it
b) retract it
or
c) just stop lying and run away.

> That's the statement I haven't noticed you tackling, liar.

You made the claim, therefore it is up to YOU to support it.

You are backed into a corner. It is time for you to either retract and
apologize or just run away

Either way, you can't really redeem yourself now.

W.T.S.

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In article <630oi0....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...

>
> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.

While they were still fetuses, they needed, and deserved, to be aborted.
I'm just sorry it wasn't done! Now they're five more pieces of filth
that are polluting my air and water.
>
For the absolute truth, follow the links below:
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4

duke

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Nov 4, 2012, 8:55:31 AM11/4/12

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On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>
>It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>
>Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice.

No, it's not except in US courts. In God's court, it's the fires of hell.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
********************************************

duke

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On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:33:36 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 3, 2:51 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
>Heishman, the sad fact is, no woman on the planet cares what you think
>she should do with her body.

No one else s called a (woe)man on the planet.

>And since the god of the bible is actully proabortion, and since there
>are no bans on abortion in the nation or in the catholic church until
>the latter half of the 19th Century, so now you presume to speak to
>what god wants?

>Hmmm, so Jesus was wrong about everything? How sad for you.

No, he's not wrong. He said "do not murder", and it's the flames for those that
do.

duke

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Nov 4, 2012, 8:57:11 AM11/4/12

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You lack the moral code.

duke

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Nov 4, 2012, 8:57:39 AM11/4/12

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:05:37 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <630oi0....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be

>Irrelevant.
>Each case is unique and it's the woman's decision. Period.

Not when it comes to eternal punishment.

Syd M

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Nov 4, 2012, 9:32:46 AM11/4/12

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I'm pro-man but abortion has nothing to do with it.

Dino

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Nov 4, 2012, 9:36:51 AM11/4/12

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Are you going to back up your claim or not?
Or do you just prefer whining?

Dino

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Nov 4, 2012, 9:37:24 AM11/4/12

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Nov 4, 2012, 11:33:16 AM11/4/12

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On Nov 4, 8:57 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:05:37 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <630oi0.sge.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com>

> >wrote:
>
> >> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
> >Irrelevant.
> >Each case is unique and it's the woman's decision. Period.
>
> Not when it comes to eternal punishment.
>
>

<Yawn> Empty threat rejected.

PDW

Syd M.

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Nov 4, 2012, 11:33:38 AM11/4/12

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Or you going to answer my question or not?

PDW

Dino

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Nov 4, 2012, 11:42:25 AM11/4/12

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I noticed you made TWO specific claims about me.
And I asked you to back them up. And you are refusing to do so.

Now, my questions came to you first. So, are you or are you NOT going
to support your claims?

>
> PDW

Syd M.

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Nov 4, 2012, 4:58:19 PM11/4/12

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I don't have to answer to you, liar.

PDW

Smiler

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Nov 4, 2012, 9:57:25 PM11/4/12

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:23:09 -0700, Dino wrote:

> On Nov 3, 8:18�pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 7:31�pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 3, 7:28�pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 3, 5:40�pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>
>> > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>>
>> > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>>
>> Yes, you are.
>
> Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is intended
> to do.
>
> A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
> Should the heart have priority over your body?
>
> A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.
>

A cancerous tumour is developing..because it is supposed to.

Are we expected to accept your definition of 'supposed to' on just your
say-so?

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

Dino

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Nov 5, 2012, 12:27:13 AM11/5/12

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You should be embarrassed. You've been punked out and you have been
beaten.

You shouldn't lie like you do, if you don't want to get called on it.
I accept your defeat and your retreat. Run along now.
Don't lie any more.

Dino

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Nov 5, 2012, 12:27:42 AM11/5/12

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On Nov 4, 9:57 pm, Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:23:09 -0700, Dino wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> >> > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>
> >> > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>
> >> Yes, you are.
>
> > Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is intended
> > to do.
>
> > A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
> > Should the heart have priority over your body?
>
> > A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.
>
> A cancerous tumour is developing..because it is supposed to.

Wow, you are that stupid to compare a cancerous tumour to a fetus?
Are you that desperate?

james g. keegan jr.

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Nov 5, 2012, 3:16:21 AM11/5/12

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In article
<b9622e3b-5c2e-4dc9...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,

bobby heishman often posts remarks like that after he has lost a dispute
and been challenged on his lies.

Message has been deleted

Syd M.

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Nov 5, 2012, 5:23:23 PM11/5/12

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Not by you, of course.
You cannot do any such thing.

PDW

MarkA

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Nov 5, 2012, 5:54:53 PM11/5/12

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No, he's just illustrating that your "it's supposed to be" argument is
meaningless. The ONLY question is, who gets to decide how a woman's body
is used? The woman who owns it, or a microscopic clump of cells inside it?

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

MarkA

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Nov 5, 2012, 6:00:04 PM11/5/12

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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:51:28 -0700, Dino wrote:

> On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>
> It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>

> Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice. Despite how we personally
> feel.
> Despite, that we think abortion is wrong.
>
> It's still, her choice. And in the end, when a woman faces her maker...it
> will not be
> you or I she stands in front of. It will not be you or I who passes that
> final judgement.
>
> So if it's truly wrong, then let the one and only true judge, make that
> decision.
> I will still speak out and say, I think abortion is wrong. But I will
> respect and honor
> a woman's right to choice.
>
> I served in the United States Military, and today, I still serve the
> public. And one of the things we stand for, is to protect a persons
> freedom and rights. And women have the freedom and the right to choose.
> So at the end of the day, what you or I think is not important. Her choice
> is important. And in many other countries, women die and don't have that
> right. Be thankful we live in a country, where we have these freedoms and
> rights.
>
> As long as we remember that, it's ok to say abortion is wrong. As long as
> we don't stand in a persons way, from exercising their freedoms.

Well said, Dino. It would be great if ALL anti-abortion activists were so
careful to respect the right of a woman to make her own decisions about
her own body.

MarkA

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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:55:31 -0600, duke wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>

> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>>
>>Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice.
>

> No, it's not except in US courts. In God's court, it's the fires of hell.
>

Tell your God that he's an asshole, and ask him to please stop turning
otherwise intelligent people of goodwill into blithering idiots. Being
the cruel, vindictive psychopath that He is, He won't listen, anyway.

Dakota

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On 11/5/2012 4:21 PM, Attila < wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:55:31 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> alt.abortion with message-id

> <vssc98huqd0gls41n...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>> It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>>>
>>> Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice.
>>
>> No, it's not except in US courts. In God's court, it's the fires of hell.
>>
>

> Prove any god ever exited to even have a court. And prove any such
> place as hell ever existed, then prove it has fires.
>
> I have requested you support your assertions since before November 23,
> 2009, with no factual response. Almost three years and still
> counting.
>
This planet is outside god's jurisdiction. According to Revelation,
god got heaven and Satan runs this place. We are the clear winners.

Don Kresch

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Nov 5, 2012, 6:56:18 PM11/5/12

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:54:53 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
scrawled in blood:

Just as important a question as who owns your money: you or
everyone else?

Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

Smiler

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Nov 5, 2012, 8:34:52 PM11/5/12

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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:27:42 -0800, Dino wrote:

Both are just clumps of cells. Are you that desperate to promote your
agenda that you don't see that as fact.

Mitchell Holman

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Nov 5, 2012, 10:42:37 PM11/5/12

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Don Kresch <spam...@spamcatch.org> wrote in
news:fgkg98tdelf1146f7...@4ax.com:

I thought you didn't believe in using government-
issued currecy as money. What happened to your private
sector barter alternative?

Olrik

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Nov 5, 2012, 11:43:27 PM11/5/12

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Your money is growing inside you?

But to answer your question: in a modern civilization, part of your
earnings goes to various governments bodies, who provide services to you
and other people.

It's a simple concept, really, and I don't know why you don't understand it.

Paul Duca

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Nov 6, 2012, 2:28:58 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>

> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>
> It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>

> God might even bother to reward them someday....

Paul Duca

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Nov 6, 2012, 2:30:27 AM11/6/12

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People like Dino and J Yo only think that way, because they assume God
will always pull a happy ending out of His butt.

Paul

Message has been deleted

Dino

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Nov 6, 2012, 7:53:24 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 5, 8:34 pm, Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:27:42 -0800, Dino wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 9:57 pm, Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:23:09 -0700, Dino wrote:
> >> > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be
> >> >> > > > alive.
>
> >> >> > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>
> >> >> > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>
> >> >> Yes, you are.
>
> >> > Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is
> >> > intended to do.
>
> >> > A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
> >> > Should the heart have priority over your body?
>
> >> > A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.
>
> >> A cancerous tumour is developing..because it is supposed to.
>
> > Wow, you are that stupid to compare a cancerous tumour to a fetus? Are you
> > that desperate?
>
> Both are just clumps of cells. Are you that desperate to promote your
> agenda that you don't see that as fact.

You are just a clump of cells. So what's your value?

MarkA

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Nov 6, 2012, 7:57:53 AM11/6/12

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Personally, I don't use government-issued currency. I keep a herd of cows
in my back yard for big purchases, like a car. Trying to find a car
dealer who takes cows as payment can be a problem.

It's a pain in the butt at the grocery store check-out, too. It seems
like I *ALWAYS* wind up in the line behind the guy who is trying to haggle
with the cashier about whether a pair of slightly worn dress shoes is
worth a half pound of salami, a six pack of beer, and a gallon of milk.

duke

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Nov 6, 2012, 8:30:34 AM11/6/12

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:01:41 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:55:31 -0600, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:51:28 -0700 (PDT), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>>>
>>>Fact is though, it's still a woman's choice.
>>
>> No, it's not except in US courts. In God's court, it's the fires of hell.

>Tell your God that he's an asshole

Not needed. He well already knows how you feel about him. You name is on the
list.

>, and ask him to please stop turning
>otherwise intelligent people of goodwill into blithering idiots. Being
>the cruel, vindictive psychopath that He is, He won't listen, anyway.

Murdering unborn babies is "intelligent people"? Sounds like a soylent green
story.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************
A vote for obama is a vote for the end of
democracy in America as we know it. Let the
rolling thunder guide your decision at the
ballot box to put an end to Imperial Obama.
May God bless America.
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duke

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Nov 6, 2012, 8:31:24 AM11/6/12

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What she's murdering for her own comfort and convenience is not her own body.

duke

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Nov 6, 2012, 8:33:05 AM11/6/12

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This ignorant fool, to this day, still hasn't figured out how to set his posting
attributes.

Silen...@hotmail.com

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Nov 6, 2012, 9:06:11 AM11/6/12

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On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0800 (PST), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 4, 1:03 pm, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:46:07 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 4, 11:42 am, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 4, 11:31 am, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Nov 3, 9:45 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Nov 3, 9:57 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > On Nov 3, 9:43 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > On Nov 3, 9:01 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:52 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:45 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>> >> > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:23 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:18 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 7:31 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 7:28 pm, "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > So, the fetus should have priority of a adult, thinking woman?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > No one is asking the fetus to have priority.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Nope, I am saying that the body is going to do exactly what it is
>> >> > > > > > > > > intended to do.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > A beating heart...does just that..it beats. Because it's supposed to.
>> >> > > > > > > > > Should the heart have priority over your body?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > A fetus is developing..because it is supposed too.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > Wow, Syd is ignoring this
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > You are having a hard time understanding that, I know.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Everytime you insist that a pregnent woman carry her fetus to term
>> >> > > > > > > > > > weather she wants to or not, you are giving the fetus priority.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Mmm... a lie. Where did I insist that a pregnant woman carry to term?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > This is the part where you run away.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > I smell the rubber burning.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > I have explained this to you repeatedly. It's not my fault you don't
>> >> > > > > > > > > > want to hear it.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Uh, you got to show me where I EVER insisted that a pregnant woman
>> >> > > > > > > > > carry to term.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > I think not, misogynist.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > What makes anyone who says abortion is wrong, a misogynist?
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > > Because you don't think a grown woman can make decisions about her own
>> >> > > > > > > > > > body.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > Where did I ever say that?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > No answer
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Again, this is the part where you run away.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > And the part where I can say, I've proven you to be a liar.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Because you have lied.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > > a) I've NEVER said a pregnant woman be forced or insist she carry to
>> >> > > > > > > > > term.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > b) I've NEVER said that a grown woman is not able to make decisions
>> >> > > > > > > > > about her own body.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > > > Care to lie some more?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > > So, you don't think a fetus should have more priority then a woman?
>> >> > > > > > > > Then you are not anti-abortion then, liar?
>>
>> >> > > > > > > You have some lies to address. And answering them with a question, is
>> >> > > > > > > not helping you.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > Now, show where I've EVER insisted any woman be forced to carry a baby
>> >> > > > > > > to term.
>> >> > > > > > > Otherwise retract and apologize for lying.
>>

>> >> > > > > > > Show where I've EVER said a grown woman is not able to make decisions
>> >> > > > > > > about her own body.
>>

As a matter of fact, that is not "it".

You also support legislation making abortion more difficult to obtain.

>It does not mean I don't believe women should have the right to
>choose.

Perhaps.

But, you do believe that an abortion should be more difficult to
obtain.

>I do believe they should.
>It does not mean that I think women can't make decisions for their own
>body.
>Of course I think women can.

Yet, you still favor increasing the difficulty for women to obtain
abortions for no good medical reason.

Go figger...

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

Silen...@hotmail.com

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Nov 6, 2012, 9:14:36 AM11/6/12

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On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:56:51 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:33:36 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Nov 3, 2:51�pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Heishman, the sad fact is, no woman on the planet cares what you think
>>she should do with her body.
>
>No one else s called a (woe)man on the planet.
>
>>And since the god of the bible is actully proabortion, and since there
>>are no bans on abortion in the nation or in the catholic church until
>>the latter half of the 19th Century, so now you presume to speak to
>>what god wants?
>
>>Hmmm, so Jesus was wrong about everything? How sad for you.
>
>No, he's not wrong. He said "do not murder", and it's the flames for those that
>do.

According to you, killing on behalf of the state is a civic duty.

"Render unto Caesar" and all that.

Here's the thing, Dook.

God doesn't get to decide what killing the state requires.

The state does.

Aborting a fetus one lacks to resources to raise is a civic duty.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

>

Dino

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Nov 6, 2012, 10:49:54 AM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 9:06 am, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0800 (PST), Dino <whate...@homemail.com>

You can twist it all you want, you can use any scare tactic you
want...I really don't care.
I actually support sensible legislation that would actually help
protect women and give them
options, in case they need real help.

You care more about the abortion and making sure that the person
causing harm is protected.

>
> >It does not mean I don't believe women should have the right to
> >choose.
>
> Perhaps.
>
> But, you do believe that an abortion should be more difficult to
> obtain.

Twist it how ever you want, it doesn't change my position.

>
> >I do believe they should.
> >It does not mean that I think women can't make decisions for their own
> >body.
> >Of course I think women can.
>
> Yet, you still favor increasing the difficulty for women to obtain
> abortions for no good medical reason.

"yawn"
Nothing but lies and distortions.

Silen...@hotmail.com

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Nov 6, 2012, 12:07:13 PM11/6/12

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:49:54 -0800 (PST), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote:

I didn't twist anything, rightard.

You support legislation making abortion more difficult to obtain.

You've clearly said so.

>I actually support sensible legislation that would actually help
>protect women and give them
>options, in case they need real help.

Talk about "twisting"...

There is no mechanism in the legislation you've said you support that
provides for a mechanism or funding that protects women or gives them
any help.

Neither have you provided anything, beyond wishful thinking, that the
laws you support will aid women in any way.

That the laws you favor makes abortion more difficult to obtain is
beyond dispute.

That the laws you favor protect women is speculative and unsupported.

>You care more about the abortion and making sure that the person
>causing harm is protected.

I support no legislation that protects those who are causing harm to
women, neither do I support any repeal of legislation that protects
women from those who are causing them harm.

You are -lying-, rightard.

>> >It does not mean I don't believe women should have the right to
>> >choose.
>>
>> Perhaps.
>>
>> But, you do believe that an abortion should be more difficult to
>> obtain.
>
>Twist it how ever you want, it doesn't change my position.

There is -no- twisting of anything, rightard.

You favor legislation that makes abortion more difficult to obtain.

Period.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

Dino

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Nov 6, 2012, 1:04:08 PM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 12:07 pm, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:49:54 -0800 (PST), Dino <whate...@homemail.com>

Yes you are lefty loon. This is how you loons operate.
You try to bully and intimidate. This is one person, you can't bully
and you can't intimidate.
I stand by my position, 100%.
You can kick, scream, hold your breath, threaten, or what ever else
you want to do.
At the end of the day, all you will have accomplished is you kicked,
screamed, held your breath, and gave out empty threats.
Nothing else will change.

> You support legislation making abortion more difficult to obtain.
>
> You've clearly said so.

I have never said I want to make abortion more difficult to obtain.
You are a liar.

> >I actually support sensible legislation that would actually help
> >protect women and give them
> >options, in case they need real help.
>
> Talk about "twisting"...

There is no twisting at all, I stand by what I say.

Good bye now.

Paul Duca

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Nov 6, 2012, 2:33:04 PM11/6/12

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On Nov 6, 8:33 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 23:28:58 -0800 (PST), Paul Duca <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 3, 5:40 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
>
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>
> >> It's admirable that their mothers chose to give life.
>
> >> God might even bother to reward them someday....
>

Duke is annoyed I know what people like him and Dino actually
think...that Santa God will open his sack and leave lots of presents,
if you're a good little Catholic boy or girl.

Paul

Paul Duca

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Nov 6, 2012, 2:35:22 PM11/6/12

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If she sacrifices everything for it, perhaps God and a few Republicans
will give her some empty compliments--simple females don't need
anything else, you know.

Silen...@hotmail.com

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Nov 6, 2012, 5:12:01 PM11/6/12

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:04:08 -0800 (PST), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
wrote:

You want a tissue, rightard?

>I stand by my position, 100%.
>You can kick, scream, hold your breath, threaten, or what ever else
>you want to do.
>At the end of the day, all you will have accomplished is you kicked,
>screamed, held your breath, and gave out empty threats.

When did I kick, scream, hold my breath and give out threats,
rightard?

You're imagination is running away with you, I fear.

Another symptom of your rightardedness, I suppose.

>Nothing else will change.
>
>> You support legislation making abortion more difficult to obtain.
>>
>> You've clearly said so.
>
>I have never said I want to make abortion more difficult to obtain.
>You are a liar.

The laws you support -do- make an abortion more difficult to obtain,
rightard.

That's -reality-.

One can't support a law, but oppose the consequences of the law.

>> >I actually support sensible legislation that would actually help
>> >protect women and give them
>> >options, in case they need real help.
>>
>> Talk about "twisting"...
>
>There is no twisting at all, I stand by what I say.
>
>Good bye now.

Otto's Law: The rightardedness of a rightard is in direct proportion
to how much they snip.

Talk about "twisting"...

There is nothing in the legislation you've said you support that
provides any mechanism or funding to protect women or give them

any help.

Neither have you provided anything, beyond wishful thinking, that the
laws you support will aid women in any way.

That the laws you favor makes abortion more difficult to obtain is
beyond dispute.

That the laws you favor protect women is speculative and unsupported.

MarkA

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Nov 6, 2012, 5:13:52 PM11/6/12

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Quite right. The fetus is free to find someone else's uterus to inhabit.

Smiler

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Nov 6, 2012, 11:13:09 PM11/6/12

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Excuse me, but could you oblige me with change of a live chicken?

Smiler

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Nov 6, 2012, 11:15:05 PM11/6/12

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:43:27 -0500, Olrik wrote:

> Le 2012-11-05 18:56, Don Kresch a �crit :

Nope. There's no cents in him...

Smiler

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Nov 6, 2012, 11:22:00 PM11/6/12

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Indeed I am, but, unlike a foetus, I'm also a living, breathing, thinking
person. There is no personhood before birth.

Olrik

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:49:26 AM11/7/12

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They *always* give you the liver as change... Yuck! When will an honest
businessman give me a wing as change?

Alex W.

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Nov 7, 2012, 8:01:14 AM11/7/12

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On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:15:05 +0000, Smiler wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:43:27 -0500, Olrik wrote:
>

Pound for pound, it's all the same....

Dino

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Nov 7, 2012, 9:55:40 AM11/7/12

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On Nov 6, 5:12 pm, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:04:08 -0800 (PST), Dino <whate...@homemail.com>

"yawn"
Enjoy your tantrum.

Dino

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Nov 7, 2012, 9:56:56 AM11/7/12

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Oh, so now you want to change it. It has to be "personhood"?

You are just a clump of cells. That's all.
So, by your own words...view yourself as you would the fetus.
You have no value.

duke

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:16:22 PM11/7/12

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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:14:36 -0500, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:56:51 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:33:36 -0700 (PDT), elizabeth <elizabet...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 3, 2:51 pm, Dino <whate...@homemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Heishman, the sad fact is, no woman on the planet cares what you think
>>>she should do with her body.
>>
>>No one else s called a (woe)man on the planet.
>>
>>>And since the god of the bible is actully proabortion, and since there
>>>are no bans on abortion in the nation or in the catholic church until
>>>the latter half of the 19th Century, so now you presume to speak to
>>>what god wants?
>>
>>>Hmmm, so Jesus was wrong about everything? How sad for you.
>>
>>No, he's not wrong. He said "do not murder", and it's the flames for those that
>>do.
>
>According to you, killing on behalf of the state is a civic duty.

Only to the mentally challenged. Everyone else understands.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************

You can't fix stupid.
********************************************

duke

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:17:43 PM11/7/12

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And people of intelligence don't kill their unborn babies for mommie's comfort
and convenience.

The dukester, American - American
********************************************

duke

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Nov 7, 2012, 12:18:58 PM11/7/12

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Oops, it looks like the ignore file for you again. If all you can do is insult
the person rather than defend a belief, we have no business together.

The dukester, American - American
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WangoTango

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Nov 7, 2012, 2:02:34 PM11/7/12

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In article <hlwdjsd2-84CA71...@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...
> In article <630oi0....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>

> wrote:
>
> > These 5 people make their case why they are grateful to be alive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeBHTxPkeA&feature=youtu.be
>

> Irrelevant.
>
> Each case is unique and it's the woman's decision. Period.
>
>
And *THAT* is the point, the woman had the choice, and people like 'J'
want to take that choice away, and that is the problem.

Silen...@hotmail.com

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Nov 7, 2012, 3:20:24 PM11/7/12

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On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:55:40 -0800 (PST), Dino <what...@homemail.com>
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You sink further into the depths of rightardedness every day,
rightard.

Paul Duca

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Nov 7, 2012, 5:10:23 PM11/7/12

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On Nov 7, 12:17 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> and convenience. They wait for God to magically drop money into their laps (not without Mitt, unfortunately).

Jeanne Douglas

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Nov 7, 2012, 7:09:01 PM11/7/12

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In article <sr5l98lb5vajbmse6...@4ax.com>,

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Nov 8, 2012, 9:01:02 PM11/8/12

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That would be you, godboy.

Alex W.

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Nov 9, 2012, 2:11:11 PM11/9/12

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You're such a pesomist!

>
>> I have a yen for telling him
>> that we don't give a wet farthin' a high wind for his notions!
>
> Yuan me both.

Get real, brother!
Cast of your shekels and sing joyfully the song of freedom like
one of those 50's kronas -- Sinatra or the like!

Smiler

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Nov 9, 2012, 8:39:56 PM11/9/12

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Sinatra!?!? Stop schilling for the florin guys, will ya. What about
British artists like Matt Munroe?

Jeanne Douglas

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Nov 10, 2012, 1:18:49 AM11/10/12

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In article <pan.2012.11.10...@JoeKing.com>,

Much better to go with the best American singer EVER:

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000V6PE4U/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk8>

and

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000V6RE7U/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk11>

The free samples will at least give you a taste--a very tasty taste.

Alex W.

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Nov 10, 2012, 8:04:46 AM11/10/12

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Nah, I prefer guineas, like Sinatra, Dean Martin or Caruso.
Although, if you insist, I may be persuaded to take a punt on Tom
Jones (I may have an old pair of y-fronts lying around
somewhere).