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Darwin

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Oct 25, 2001, 4:11:53 AM10/25/01
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There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
Monty Python?

Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
without a cold one in hand.

Also, what is your favorite beer?

This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

--
~Darwin~

"Formerly one sought the feeling of the grandeur of
man by pointing to his divine origin: this has now
become a forbidden way, for at its portal stands the
ape, together with other gruesome beasts, grinning
knowingly as if to say: no further in this direction!"
-Friedrich Nietzsche

Jos Flachs

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Oct 25, 2001, 4:51:47 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
wrote:

>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?

Uh, a six pack of real beer perhaps? US light beers are not much
different from diluted distilled water....
I'll settle for Monty. And a real beer.

>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Having a good chat with some friends.

>Also, what is your favorite beer?

All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
occasions: Liefmans.
Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers. And of
course who could live without Trappist beers?
Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.

However, in Thailand we are not that far advanced, so I be happy with
a Black Beer. Kloster is OK, and Singha a wee bit too bitter to my
taste.

>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

Happy to oblige. This is my other hobby.

Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 5:10:04 AM10/25/01
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Darwin wrote:

> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?

Coors Light isn't beer.
Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Brewing the next batch. Damn hot watching five gallons of incipient
beer boil for an hour.

> Also, what is your favorite beer?

The one I just made.

> This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

Always happy to talk about beer. ;-)
My favorite subject.
I can *bore* people about beer.

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Darwin

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Oct 25, 2001, 5:22:32 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Darwin wrote:
>
>> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>> Monty Python?
>
>Coors Light isn't beer.
>Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

I am noticing already that Coors Light might not have been a good
example. I actually like it, but that's probaby because I've never
had any Sierra Nevada Pale Ale..hehe...never had any of the beer
mentioned by Jos Flachs either...

So dammit, not only am I behind in my knowledge of Monty Python, I am
also behind in my beer consumption. I have a lot of watchin' and
drinkin' to do. :-)

>
>> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>> without a cold one in hand.
>
>Brewing the next batch. Damn hot watching five gallons of incipient
>beer boil for an hour.
>
>> Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
>The one I just made.

And you didn't invite me?

>
>> This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.
>
>Always happy to talk about beer. ;-)
>My favorite subject.
>I can *bore* people about beer.
>
>--
>Fred Stone
>aa # 1369
>EAC Microbiologist - Saccharomyces Division
>BAAWA Brewmaster
>
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Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 5:27:47 AM10/25/01
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Darwin wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
> <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>
> >Darwin wrote:
> >
> >> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> >> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> >> Monty Python?
> >
> >Coors Light isn't beer.
> >Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
> >Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)
>
> I am noticing already that Coors Light might not have been a good
> example. I actually like it, but that's probaby because I've never
> had any Sierra Nevada Pale Ale..hehe...never had any of the beer
> mentioned by Jos Flachs either...

It's tough to get good microbrew far from where it's made,
so you have to look around for a craft beer from your neighborhood.
Or find a brewpub. "Hops" is a pretty decent chain brewpub.

> So dammit, not only am I behind in my knowledge of Monty Python, I am
> also behind in my beer consumption. I have a lot of watchin' and
> drinkin' to do. :-)

It's not a hobby, it's a lifestyle. ;-)

> >
> >> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> >> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> >> without a cold one in hand.
> >
> >Brewing the next batch. Damn hot watching five gallons of incipient
> >beer boil for an hour.
> >
> >> Also, what is your favorite beer?
> >
> >The one I just made.
>
> And you didn't invite me?

My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)

Wolf333

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Oct 25, 2001, 6:23:52 AM10/25/01
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"Darwin" <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?

Coors Light? Ugh... Just kidding. Everyone has their own tastes (some not as
bad as yours ::).

>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Best thing: hanging around and bullshitting with friends.
Thing I cannot imagine without a cold one: going to a baseball game. I don't
really like baseball, but I love going to the games. Flat beer and those red
hot-dogs... flat beer and rubbery nachos...

Watching "Die Hard" is also good.

>
> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Tough one. Some of our British friends might set me straight, but I think
it's called John Smiths Amber. It's been almost ten years (not to mention
the fact that I was drinking at the time). I don't like stouts, I can say
that for sure.

Mark Whickman

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Oct 25, 2001, 6:47:30 AM10/25/01
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Darwin <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Unfortunately mine are chilled as opposed to cold, the flavour completely
changes depending on temperature.
I need a beer in a pub or a bottle when level designing for quake.

>
> Also, what is your favorite beer?

London Pride - A London brown with a strong malty flavour and hops.
Waggledance - A powerful honey beer.


Mark Whickman

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Oct 25, 2001, 6:49:40 AM10/25/01
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Wolf333 <wol...@spamspamexcite.com> wrote in message
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> > Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
> Tough one. Some of our British friends might set me straight, but I think
> it's called John Smiths Amber. It's been almost ten years (not to mention
> the fact that I was drinking at the time). I don't like stouts, I can say
> that for sure.
>

Don't recall John Smiths doing an Amber. The John smiths most people get is
the bitter which I drink but am not all that hot on.


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Oct 25, 2001, 7:40:41 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:11:53 +0200, Darwin wrote:

> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

The stuff you do in the pubs, I guess. Like bullshit drunk chicks.

> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Guinness. It's a whole meal.

Steve Knight

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Oct 25, 2001, 8:29:49 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
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>
>


>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?
>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.
>

Fishing.

>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Steve Knight

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Oct 25, 2001, 8:33:07 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

snip

>Coors Light isn't beer.
>Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

(sniff)

Brother....

(puts on potential BAAWA Knight list)

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Mark Whickman

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To quote Viz.
"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing pint
of Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."


Bill Thacker

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Oct 25, 2001, 9:03:23 AM10/25/01
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In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>,

Darwin <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote:
>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer?

Swallow. Otherwise it all just makes a big mess.

>Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Necrophilia.

OK, OK. Honestly, my beer drinking is mostly done with a
meal; other than that, it's usually while relaxing in the evening,
in front of the TV or with a book. (I find that if I drink several
beers while reading I forget what I've read, thus saving me
big dollars on books!)

>Also, what is your favorite beer?

St. Georgen Braeu Kellerbier (in Buttenheim, Germany - interestingly,
the ancestral home of one Levi Strauss.)

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Woden

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Oct 25, 2001, 9:13:30 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
wrote:

>
>


>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?

And what kind of heresy is this - talking about beer & Coors Light in the
same sentence?

>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Beer & Pizza.


>Also, what is your favorite beer?

The current one. I have eclectic tastes.

>
>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

--

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people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."

chib

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Oct 25, 2001, 9:13:18 AM10/25/01
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In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>, Darwin
<jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote:

> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Living.


> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Like MGD when I'm slumming. It's cheap, plentiful, not bad for
mass-produced yellow stuff.

Any Mexican beer, including Corona.

My own home-brew for a treat.

-chib

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Kilmir

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Oct 25, 2001, 9:37:08 AM10/25/01
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"Darwin" <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?

Considering the first three aren't popular here I tend to pick Monty from
the list. But for the rest anything on tv or on my pc for that matter :)

> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Getting drunk.

And attending festivals. You need the beer to be able to ignore the smell of
the place :)


> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Grolsch and Hertog Jan. Both not so well known beers from the smaller
countries. If you want to know where it comes from, just ask yourself where
Heineken comes from and then consider that's the junk we export :)


Kilmir
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Bill Thacker

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Oct 25, 2001, 10:16:08 AM10/25/01
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In article <3bd7d881.276438173@news>,

Darwin <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
><fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>
>>Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
>>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

Aye. For a widely-distributed American beer, this is the best one
you're likely to find. Sam Adams can't touch it. For those
who've been raised on Coors/Bud/Miller, when you try an SNPA you'll
taste something very strange. That's called "hops." :-)

>I am noticing already that Coors Light might not have been a good
>example. I actually like it, but that's probaby because I've never
>had any Sierra Nevada Pale Ale..hehe...

Much as we love to make fun of American beer, in the end I'll always
admit that a hundred million thirsty beer-drinkers can't be entirely
wrong. There's something good about these beers.

For me, the key to understanding it is first to understand another
bizarre American taste; ice-cold drinks. In Europe (the source of
nearly all those brews beer snobs like me prefer to Coors) people
just don't drink things so cold. Water and mineral water are
typically served at "cellar" temperature, maybe 65 degrees F. A cold
soft drink is usually served at 45 F or warmer, and lager beer is
served best in the range 45-55F (and a British ale, from about 55 up
to 65F). Americans would be serving all these at as close to 32F
(freezing, for those living in 21st century metric countries).

If you take one of our beloved British or continental beers and chill
it in ice for an hour, it doesn't taste very good - not like it
should. (Think of serving a red wine chilled.) Likewise, if you let
an American beer warm up... well, you know how bad *that* is. So the
thing is, Coors is really a perfectly fine beer, given that it's
intended to be consumed ice-cold. (Personally, I'll admit a weakness
for Rolling Rock after hard labor. And indeed, about 20 years of hard
labor is what it would take to make me drink Coors again. :-)

In Bavaria, they brew a type of beer called Weizen, which contains a
lot of wheat in the malt. This makes the beer lighter in body, with a
bit of a sharp bite to the flavor, and Bavarians tend to drink it more
in the warm summer weather. I've found that Americans visiting
Germany tend to really like Weizen, preferring it to the Bavarian
pilsener-style beers (which are simply superb, hardly surprising since
Pilsen is not too far from there). I, on the other hand, find Weizen
an interesting diversion, but when I want a beer I ask for a Pils or a
Keller. To me, that suggests that the typical American is pretty
consistent in preferring drinks suitable for hot weather. Which,
compared to the brewing portions of Europe, we have in abundance.

So all in all, I think American beer preferences are not to be
laughed at. We don't drink thin beer because we're wimps or have no
taste, we drink them because they're the best everyday drink in our
climate. And they're cheap. :-)

But heck... even a grocery store nowadays can be counted on to carry a
small selection of microbrews and imports, and a six-pack just isn't
that expensive. If you think you like beer, you're a wimp if you
don't occasionally spring for one of these, just to broaden your
horizons.

>never had any of the beer
>mentioned by Jos Flachs either...

Don't feel too badly. Most of the beers Jos mentions are Dutch
and Belgian, and about the only Dutch beer you'll find easily in
America is Heineken. Which ain't that far from Budweiser, in the
big picture. (Ditto for Becks, the other huge mass-market beer you
can find nearly anywhere in Europe.)

The Dutch and Belgians probably enjoy a greater selection of beer
styles than anyplace in the world, in that they have a large
variety of domestic brews, neighbor on countries that add many
other varieties to the mix, and see imports from all over the
world. In the Netherlands, there's a strong Indonesian/Pacific
influence thanks to the colonial ties. To translate Jos' beer
list:

>> All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>> occasions: Liefmans.

Lambic is a special Belgian beer, fermented first in open vats
where they pick up various "wild" yeasts, then in wood casks
for secondary fermentation and storage for a year or so. There's a
lot more to the process - it's complex and has several variants.
The bottom line is that it's a very unusual flavor for beer, and
most people need to aquire the taste, which has strong sweet and sour
components. Kriek is a lambic flavored with cherries, so it's
even wierder. Much as I love beer, I usually am not in the mood for
one of these.

>> Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers.

White beers (Whitbier) are light Dutch beers. They contain some
wheat in addition to barley malt and are not strongly hopped.
Weissen... I *think* that's the Dutch form of the German "Weizen"
wheat beer I mentioned earlier, but I'm not sure. (Sometimes these
beers are called Weisse (White) in Germany, though that name is
better associated with a particular beer brewed only in Berlin,
Berliner Weisse.)

>>And of
>> course who could live without Trappist beers?

The Trappist monasteries in Belgium have a long brewing tradition,
producing some excellent beers, many of which are (ahem) "unusually"
strong. :-) You can find these in America - heck, you can find just
about any beer in America if you look hard enough, but these
are relatively easy.

>> Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.

I doubt Jos means our American Lowenbrau. That's actually a pretty
common name; I think there are three different Loewenbraeus in
Bavaria alone, and a large Loewenbraeu in Switzerland.

>However, in Thailand we are not that far advanced, so I be happy with
>a Black Beer. Kloster is OK, and Singha a wee bit too bitter to my
>taste.

Black beer - well, it may be different in Thailand, but in Europe
these are very dark, earthy beers; kind of like stouts, but not as
heavy-bodied. Traditionally, they were advertised as "restoratives";
healthy beers chock-full of vitamins and minerals, prescribed for the
sick or for women nursing babies. Quite yummy, honest!

Kloster generally describes a beer brewed in a monastery
("Cloister"); Trappist might be considered a subset unique to
Belgium.

Singha is a lager, fairly similar to an American beer in fact, brewed
in Indonesia (if memory serves - or is it Thailand?)


The purpose of this, apart from my own mental masturbation, is to
point out that there are myriad beer styles in the world. You
can glance at most of them (about fifty) at:

http://members.attcanada.ca/~jdoakes/styles.html

The sobering part is when you realize that most Americans have tasted
only 2-3 of these styles. It's a big world of flavors out there,
and cheap to explore.

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DJ Nozem

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Oct 25, 2001, 10:46:27 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
wrote:

>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of


>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?

Drop wrestling.

>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Sitting on a terrace in the sun with some friends is definitely the
best thing you can do whilst drinking beer. The one thing I can't
imagine doing without beer is having a barbecue.

>Also, what is your favorite beer?

That depends on the occasion. I love Guinness, my favorite lager would
be Grolsch (Dutch beer) and my favourite special beer is Pauwel Kwak
(Belgian beer).

>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

--
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Marc Satterwhite

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Oct 25, 2001, 11:55:58 AM10/25/01
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Darwin wrote:

A wonderful local bar has declared itself a "lite-free zone"
and simply doesn't stock any light beers.

Most American mass produced beers are listed under the
category "Industrial Swill" and the owner charges
considerably more for, say, a Bud than for most imports.

There's also a line on the menu: "Chilled mugs
are for milkshakes."

Gotta love it!!

Best, Marc


DJ Nozem

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Oct 25, 2001, 11:09:41 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:51:47 +0700, Jos Flachs <wcr...@ksc15.th.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
>wrote:

(snip)

>>Also, what is your favorite beer?

>All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>occasions: Liefmans.
>Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers. And of
>course who could live without Trappist beers?

Particularly the Westmalle triple. It's been too long...

>Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.

I'll have to try it. Many brewers here have taken on experiments with
lemon and other fruits ( Lingens, Grolsch ) but the results have been
rather poor, IMO.

>However, in Thailand we are not that far advanced, so I be happy with
>a Black Beer. Kloster is OK, and Singha a wee bit too bitter to my
>taste.

Do they sell Tsing Tao in Thailand?

The Jester

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In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>, Darwin says...

>
>
>
>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?
>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Sitting around, BSing with some of my old friends. Also, any family
gathering...not because my family is annoying (quite the contrary, actually),
but because they're borderline alcoholic...

>Also, what is your favorite beer?

Either Newcastle Ale or Yuengling Lager (anyone outside of PA heard of it?
Nectar of the [nonexistent] gods, IMHO)

-The Jester, 774


"Have I displeased you, you feckless thug?" -Josiah Bartlett


Fred Stone

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Steve Knight wrote:

<does a happy sack dance>
I'm a Bad Ass Brewer With Attitude! Yeah!

Roger Andrews

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Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
<SNIP>
> My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)

I had to laugh when I read this.

My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)

Roger
aa#1477

Mike Ruskai

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Oct 25, 2001, 11:41:03 AM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, Darwin wrote:

>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?
>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.
>
>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

I hardly ever drink, so I can't come up with such an activity. However, when
I do, it's certainly not that swill you named!

My favorite widely-available beer is draft Bass Ale. I can't stand the big
US beers, like Budweiser, Coors, etc. Positively disgusting.


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Oct 25, 2001, 11:44:22 AM10/25/01
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Darwin wrote:

> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer?

Even though I don't drink (like, ever), I'll take a cue from my
(anti-racist) skinhead brother and say... listening to a live concert.
It's the best thing I do without the beer, so I guess if you're a beer
drinker it would be as much fun. :)

> Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

I have none :).

> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Root beer.

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Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 12:21:15 PM10/25/01
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Roger Andrews wrote:

It's about the heat, really. My apartment gets awful steamy after boiling
a pot of wort for an hour. The A/C bill is high enough in Miami.
I can still smell the hops a day later.

Elf Sternberg

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Oct 25, 2001, 12:41:01 PM10/25/01
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In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>
jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin) writes:

>Also, what is your favorite beer?

There's a microbrew about ten miles from my home that makes something
called Dragonstooth Stout. It is absolutely the smoothest, most
drinkable stout on planet Earth. It's what the 19th century people referred to
as "liquid bread," and hasn't been seen since.

Elf

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and sold back to you as entertainment. Get used to it.

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Oct 25, 2001, 12:41:08 PM10/25/01
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In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>
"Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:

>"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing pint of
>Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."

Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike the
bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm convinced
that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually nothing could
live off the stuff.

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 12:57:07 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
wrote:

>
>
>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light

You call that beer?

Yuck!


>and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?
>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do

>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing


>without a cold one in hand.
>

>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>

>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

__________________________________________

Orhan Orgun aa#1867
Relax, don't worry, have a home-brew
Note: you need to de-"bug" the e-mail address to e-mail me!

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 12:58:00 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:51:47 +0700, Jos Flachs <wcr...@ksc15.th.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)


>wrote:
>
>>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of

>>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>>Monty Python?
>Uh, a six pack of real beer perhaps? US light beers are not much
>different from diluted distilled water....
>I'll settle for Monty.

In fact, wasn't it MP who came up with the gem about American beer and
sex in a canoe?


> And a real beer.

>
>>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>>without a cold one in hand.

>Having a good chat with some friends.

>>Also, what is your favorite beer?

>All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>occasions: Liefmans.
>Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers. And of
>course who could live without Trappist beers?

>Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.
>

>However, in Thailand we are not that far advanced, so I be happy with
>a Black Beer. Kloster is OK, and Singha a wee bit too bitter to my
>taste.
>

>>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

>Happy to oblige. This is my other hobby.

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:07:30 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Darwin wrote:
>
>> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>> Monty Python?
>

>Coors Light isn't beer.
>Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

OK, there's something I could drink. But still, depending on the
weather, food being eaten, etc., my three top choices currently are:
IPA (always home-brewed), hefe-weizen (home-brewed or Pyramid or
Sudwerk), or stout (home-brewed or Guinness).


>
>> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>> without a cold one in hand.
>

>Brewing the next batch. Damn hot watching five gallons of incipient
>beer boil for an hour.

IPA is the obvious choice for this activity.

But lounging under the silk tree and reading the next Harry Potter
calls for a hefe. Senegalese lemon chicken also goes with a
hefeweizen. But my Kurdish lamb stew definitely demands a stout or a
porter.

There *is* a time for a pale ale or even a good lager. For example,
when you are sitting by one of the canals in Utrecht and eating
pannekoeken, with speck en kaas, and later, for dessert, one made with
cheese and ginger.

One might even imagine drinking one of those fruit-flavored
Belgian-style travesties. For example, in the early afternoon on a hot
October day while visiting Apple Hill. You could go to the little
micrebrewery there and sip your bluebery flavored beer while wathing
the kids play soccer.

Then go out for a nice Mexican dinner and skip the Dos Equis in favor
of a bitter ale from that same microbrewery.

mmmmm


>
>> Also, what is your favorite beer?
>

>The one I just made.
>

>> This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.
>

>Always happy to talk about beer. ;-)
>My favorite subject.
>I can *bore* people about beer.

__________________________________________

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:10:18 PM10/25/01
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On 25 Oct 2001 08:39:38 -0700, crazy...@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews)
wrote:


Gotta disown the kids, surely. It's a lovely aroma if there ever was
one. And good to drink too, just before you add the hops.

And please tell me that you use the spent grains to bake the best
bread in the world. Preferably leavened by yeast that settled down at
the bottom of last month's batch of beer. Yummmmmm.

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:14:05 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:46:27 GMT, D...@slowbitchmail.nl (DJ Nozem)
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
>wrote:
>
>>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>>Monty Python?
>
>Drop wrestling.
>

Oh, I was so upset by the coors lite that I overlooked wrestling.
Right, drop wrestling. Add Star Trek. Actually, I can do with or
without baseball. Add soccer. Add junkyard wars. Add modern marvels.
Actually I could imagine living without football. Add history IQ. Now
I'm happy. Bring out the sixpack.


>>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>>without a cold one in hand.
>
>Sitting on a terrace in the sun with some friends is definitely the
>best thing you can do whilst drinking beer. The one thing I can't
>imagine doing without beer is having a barbecue.
>
>>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
>That depends on the occasion. I love Guinness, my favorite lager would
>be Grolsch (Dutch beer) and my favourite special beer is Pauwel Kwak
>(Belgian beer).
>
>>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

__________________________________________

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:17:51 PM10/25/01
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Grolsch not well known? Are you out of your mind?

Here in Davis, you even get special instructions from the recycling
center on how to recycle Grolsch bottles.

Woden

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:14:28 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:21:15 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com>
wrote:

>Roger Andrews wrote:


>
>> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
>> <SNIP>
>> > My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
>>
>> I had to laugh when I read this.
>>
>> My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
>> don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
>> aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
>
>It's about the heat, really. My apartment gets awful steamy after boiling
>a pot of wort for an hour. The A/C bill is high enough in Miami.
>I can still smell the hops a day later.
>

Get a propane burner you can use outside. They sell them as "turkey fryers"
in the south. Thing puts out lots of BTU's & will boil 5 gal of wort in
about 5-10 minutes. Plus the wife & daughter don't bitch about the smell.

Carl Wilson

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:16:08 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:29:49 GMT, Steve Knight <St...@BAAWha.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>

>>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>>Monty Python?
>>

>>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>>without a cold one in hand.
>>

> Fishing.


>
>>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>>

> Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is excellent, but isn't quite as good as
Anchor Liberty Ale (also a pale ale) IMO. Ever had any Anchor Liberty
Ale? If not, you should give it a try. It's *really* good!


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Oct 25, 2001, 1:19:17 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:03:10 GMT, The Jester <nos...@newsranger.com>
wrote:

>In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>, Darwin says...
>>
>>
>>
>>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>>Monty Python?
>>
>>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>>without a cold one in hand.
>
>Sitting around, BSing with some of my old friends. Also, any family
>gathering...not because my family is annoying (quite the contrary, actually),
>but because they're borderline alcoholic...
>
>>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
>Either Newcastle Ale or Yuengling Lager (anyone outside of PA heard of it?
>Nectar of the [nonexistent] gods, IMHO)

I'm in Oklahoma and have had Yuengling Lager. Of course, the fact
that I'm originally from PA might have something to do with it. ;-)

Bill Thacker

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:39:44 PM10/25/01
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In article <l3hgttg4snd28p780...@4ax.com>,

Orhan Orgun <orhanb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:51:47 +0700, Jos Flachs <wcr...@ksc15.th.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Uh, a six pack of real beer perhaps? US light beers are not much
>>different from diluted distilled water....
>>I'll settle for Monty.
>
>In fact, wasn't it MP who came up with the gem about American beer and
>sex in a canoe?

Though there's also the story, perhaps apocryphal, that German customs
authorities halted a shipment of Guinness Stout into Germany. The
customs declaration described the shipment as "beer", and the German
beer purity law defined beer as as substance containing only barley
malt, hops, water (and yeast), so the additional ingredients in
Guinness technically disqualified it. :-)

There's also the joke about the big beer brewer's convention in
America. One evening, the presidents of Anheuser-Busch, Coors, and
the (small) Anchor brewery all went out to a bar. Mr. Busch,
naturally, ordered a Budweiser; Mr. Coors followed suit and ordered a
Coors. When the barkeeper turned to Fritz Maytag, Anchor's president,
he ordered a Coca-Cola. He explained to the other two surprised
executives, "Heck, if you guys aren't drinking beer, neither will I."


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Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:34:13 PM10/25/01
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Woden wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:21:15 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Roger Andrews wrote:
> >
> >> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
> >> <SNIP>
> >> > My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
> >>
> >> I had to laugh when I read this.
> >>
> >> My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
> >> don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
> >> aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
> >
> >It's about the heat, really. My apartment gets awful steamy after boiling
> >a pot of wort for an hour. The A/C bill is high enough in Miami.
> >I can still smell the hops a day later.
> >
>
> Get a propane burner you can use outside. They sell them as "turkey fryers"
> in the south. Thing puts out lots of BTU's & will boil 5 gal of wort in
> about 5-10 minutes. Plus the wife & daughter don't bitch about the smell.

I wish :-(
The apartment rules won't let me have a propane tank. Insurance.

If I move, my new house will have plumbing for a three-tier setup.
In a whole room for the nanobrewery. :-)

Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:37:09 PM10/25/01
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Orhan Orgun wrote:

> On 25 Oct 2001 08:39:38 -0700, crazy...@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews)
> wrote:
>
> >Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
> ><SNIP>
> >> My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
> >
> >I had to laugh when I read this.
> >
> >My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
> >don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
> >aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
> >
>
> Gotta disown the kids, surely. It's a lovely aroma if there ever was
> one. And good to drink too, just before you add the hops.
>
> And please tell me that you use the spent grains to bake the best
> bread in the world. Preferably leavened by yeast that settled down at
> the bottom of last month's batch of beer. Yummmmmm.

Done that. Ale yeast rises very slowly. Unless you use a quarter
cup of slurry...

Try grinding up a couple of ounces of light crystal malt and
adding it to a whole-wheat recipe. VERY good.

Mark Whickman

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:38:25 PM10/25/01
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Elf Sternberg <e...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:10040280...@yabetcha.sttl.drizzle.com...

> In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>
> "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:
>
> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
pint of
> >Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
>
> Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike the
> bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm
convinced
> that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually nothing
could
> live off the stuff.
>
Marmite is nice, needs to be on hot toast with butter though. Lots of
vitamins.


Mark Whickman

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:37:20 PM10/25/01
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Mike Ruskai <spamten.tt...@begoneynnaht.net> wrote in message
news:gunaaljbeyqargngga...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...

The red trinalge Bass?
Not bad but a bit too commercialised.


Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:46:01 PM10/25/01
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Orhan Orgun wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
> <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>
> >Darwin wrote:
> >
> >> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> >> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> >> Monty Python?
> >
> >Coors Light isn't beer.
> >Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
> >Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)
>
> OK, there's something I could drink. But still, depending on the
> weather, food being eaten, etc., my three top choices currently are:
> IPA (always home-brewed), hefe-weizen (home-brewed or Pyramid or
> Sudwerk), or stout (home-brewed or Guinness).

Somehow, we must share a taste bud in some philosophical phase space.

> >
> >> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> >> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> >> without a cold one in hand.
> >
> >Brewing the next batch. Damn hot watching five gallons of incipient
> >beer boil for an hour.
>
> IPA is the obvious choice for this activity.

> But lounging under the silk tree and reading the next Harry Potter
> calls for a hefe. Senegalese lemon chicken also goes with a
> hefeweizen. But my Kurdish lamb stew definitely demands a stout or a
> porter.

Hefe's my favorite summer brew. I need to refresh my Brewtek
cultures. I've won prizes with CL-920 German Wheat strain.

Good with most chinese dishes.

> There *is* a time for a pale ale or even a good lager. For example,
> when you are sitting by one of the canals in Utrecht and eating
> pannekoeken, with speck en kaas, and later, for dessert, one made with
> cheese and ginger.
>
> One might even imagine drinking one of those fruit-flavored
> Belgian-style travesties. For example, in the early afternoon on a hot
> October day while visiting Apple Hill. You could go to the little
> micrebrewery there and sip your bluebery flavored beer while wathing
> the kids play soccer.

Ewwwww. One buddy of mine traded me a refrigerator for a batch
of Raspbeery Ale. Cough syrup. He loved it. I got comments from
people I don't even know.

> Then go out for a nice Mexican dinner and skip the Dos Equis in favor
> of a bitter ale from that same microbrewery.

Two words:
Negra Modelo. A real, actual factual Vienna Lager.

Orhan Orgun

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Oct 25, 2001, 2:05:55 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:37:09 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Orhan Orgun wrote:
>
>> On 25 Oct 2001 08:39:38 -0700, crazy...@my-deja.com (Roger Andrews)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
>> ><SNIP>
>> >> My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
>> >
>> >I had to laugh when I read this.
>> >
>> >My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
>> >don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
>> >aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
>> >
>>
>> Gotta disown the kids, surely. It's a lovely aroma if there ever was
>> one. And good to drink too, just before you add the hops.
>>
>> And please tell me that you use the spent grains to bake the best
>> bread in the world. Preferably leavened by yeast that settled down at
>> the bottom of last month's batch of beer. Yummmmmm.
>
>Done that. Ale yeast rises very slowly.

As a sourdough baker, I accept slow-rising as a fact of life. I've
even baked loaves that had to rise for 48 hours (not counting the
first round of fermentation to develop the sour taste, which could be
up to three weeks).

> Unless you use a quarter
>cup of slurry...

Why would you use any less? My idea is to use *no* additional liquid,
so a cup and a half would be more like it. Otherwise, you have to use
pointless stuff like water or milk instead.


>
>Try grinding up a couple of ounces of light crystal malt and
>adding it to a whole-wheat recipe. VERY good.

Sounds exciting. I'll try it next time. Fact is, I haven't brewed
anything since my brewmate had twins--I too have two kids and with
four of them to del with, we figured it was either homebrewing or
staying married and took the cowardly route.

Woden

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Oct 25, 2001, 1:59:08 PM10/25/01
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:34:13 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com>
wrote:

>Woden wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:21:15 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Roger Andrews wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
>> >> <SNIP>
>> >> > My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
>> >>
>> >> I had to laugh when I read this.
>> >>
>> >> My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
>> >> don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
>> >> aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
>> >
>> >It's about the heat, really. My apartment gets awful steamy after boiling
>> >a pot of wort for an hour. The A/C bill is high enough in Miami.
>> >I can still smell the hops a day later.
>> >
>>
>> Get a propane burner you can use outside. They sell them as "turkey fryers"
>> in the south. Thing puts out lots of BTU's & will boil 5 gal of wort in
>> about 5-10 minutes. Plus the wife & daughter don't bitch about the smell.
>
>I wish :-(
>The apartment rules won't let me have a propane tank. Insurance.

Bummer.

>
>If I move, my new house will have plumbing for a three-tier setup.
>In a whole room for the nanobrewery. :-)

Alright When's the house warming party?

Woden

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:54:55 +0100, "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk>
wrote:

>
>NM - Remove LALALALALA to email me <nicoLAL...@altiva.fr> wrote in
>message news:pan.2001.10.25.1...@altiva.fr...


>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:11:53 +0200, Darwin wrote:
>>
>> > Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>> > whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>> > without a cold one in hand.
>>

>> The stuff you do in the pubs, I guess. Like bullshit drunk chicks.


>>
>> > Also, what is your favorite beer?
>>

>> Guinness. It's a whole meal.
>
>To quote Viz.


>"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing pint
>of Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
>
>

That doesn't say much for Viz's taste. I think I'll stick with the Guiness
or home brewed stout.

Mark Whickman

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Oct 25, 2001, 2:34:39 PM10/25/01
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Woden <wo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:3bd85342....@news.charter.net...

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:54:55 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
<mark.w...@ic.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >NM - Remove LALALALALA to email me <nicoLAL...@altiva.fr> wrote in
> >message news:pan.2001.10.25.1...@altiva.fr...
> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:11:53 +0200, Darwin wrote:
> >>
> >> > Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> >> > whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> >> > without a cold one in hand.
> >>
> >> The stuff you do in the pubs, I guess. Like bullshit drunk chicks.
> >>
> >> > Also, what is your favorite beer?
> >>
> >> Guinness. It's a whole meal.
> >
> >To quote Viz.
> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
pint
> >of Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
> >
> >
>
> That doesn't say much for Viz's taste. I think I'll stick with the
Guiness
> or home brewed stout.
>
Most Guiness is semi chemical now, especially the exported stuff.


raven1

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
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>
>
>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light

Except perhaps being dismembered by a guy wearing a hockey mask and
wielding a chain saw. I thought this thread was supposed to be about
*beer*...

> and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?

Python for me.

>
>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer?

Hang out with friends.

> Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.

Flaming a fundy on alt.atheism.

>
>Also, what is your favorite beer?

As a brewer, I can't pick a particular favorite overall; I have
favorites in individual beer styles. My everyday quaffing beers are
Bass Ale and La Fin Du Monde (a Duvel style beer made by Unibroue in
Quebec).

raven1

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On 25 Oct 2001 17:39:44 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
wrote:

>
>Though there's also the story, perhaps apocryphal, that German customs
>authorities halted a shipment of Guinness Stout into Germany. The
>customs declaration described the shipment as "beer", and the German
>beer purity law defined beer as as substance containing only barley
>malt, hops, water (and yeast), so the additional ingredients in
>Guinness technically disqualified it. :-)

I don't know of any other ingredients in Guinness. Sounds apocryphal
to me.


Fred Stone

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Oct 25, 2001, 4:01:29 PM10/25/01
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raven1 wrote:

Guiness has (or had) flaked, UNmalted barley which was technically not
Reinheitsgebot.

Ken Shabby

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Carl Wilson <ca...@alt-atheism.org> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:29:49 GMT, Steve Knight <St...@BAAWha.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> >>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> >>Monty Python?
> >>
> >>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> >>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> >>without a cold one in hand.
> >>
> > Fishing.
> >
> >>Also, what is your favorite beer?
> >>
> > Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
>
> Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is excellent, but isn't quite as good as
> Anchor Liberty Ale (also a pale ale) IMO. Ever had any Anchor Liberty
> Ale? If not, you should give it a try. It's *really* good!

Anchor makes a great porter too. Not to be passed up.

--

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Etherman

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"Darwin" <jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light

I thought this thread was supposed to be about beer?

> and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to
do
> whilst drinking beer?

Eating pizza.

> Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

I can't name anything. I guess I'm not an alcoholic :-(

Though 99% of the time I have a drink in my hands I'll be at a club.

> Also, what is your favorite beer?

Oatmeal Stout, though the brand doesn't matter much.

--
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Mark Whickman

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Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message
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> raven1 wrote:
>
> > On 25 Oct 2001 17:39:44 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Though there's also the story, perhaps apocryphal, that German customs
> > >authorities halted a shipment of Guinness Stout into Germany. The
> > >customs declaration described the shipment as "beer", and the German
> > >beer purity law defined beer as as substance containing only barley
> > >malt, hops, water (and yeast), so the additional ingredients in
> > >Guinness technically disqualified it. :-)
> >
> > I don't know of any other ingredients in Guinness. Sounds apocryphal
> > to me.
>
> Guiness has (or had) flaked, UNmalted barley which was technically not
> Reinheitsgebot.
>
Doesn't it have scorched malt in it as well?


Fred Stone

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Mark Whickman wrote:

Yeah. Roasted barley and roasted malt.
Plus tons of hops.
The "old style" Guiness had 3% soured beer added as well. Trade secret.

raven1

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:57:11 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Mark Whickman wrote:
>
>> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message
>> news:3BD86F99...@earthlink.net...
>> > raven1 wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 25 Oct 2001 17:39:44 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Though there's also the story, perhaps apocryphal, that German customs
>> > > >authorities halted a shipment of Guinness Stout into Germany. The
>> > > >customs declaration described the shipment as "beer", and the German
>> > > >beer purity law defined beer as as substance containing only barley
>> > > >malt, hops, water (and yeast), so the additional ingredients in
>> > > >Guinness technically disqualified it. :-)
>> > >
>> > > I don't know of any other ingredients in Guinness. Sounds apocryphal
>> > > to me.
>> >
>> > Guiness has (or had) flaked, UNmalted barley which was technically not
>> > Reinheitsgebot.
>> >
>> Doesn't it have scorched malt in it as well?
>
>Yeah. Roasted barley and roasted malt.

I don't see anything in the Reinheitsgebot that says you can't roast
the malt before adding it. Plenty of German beers do the same. Nor is
flaked malt an unknown ingredient in Deutschland. (While I admit I
don't know the original German, my understanding is that as long as
it's barley, hops, yeast or water, it's kosher).


>Plus tons of hops.
>The "old style" Guiness had 3% soured beer added as well. Trade secret.

Which I've used to good effect... ;-)


Dave W

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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
There is a microbrewery in nearby Riverside, Ca. called the Riverside
Brewing co. (oddly enough) that has an excellent stout. They often
come up with some really nice "seasonal beers".
They have no love for the domestics especially Coors (pronounced,
Currs, wince when you say it) They have a bell to ring whenever a
Coors is ordered. A deafening group jeer erupts.
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing

> without a cold one in hand.
>
> Also, what is your favorite beer?
I am rather fond of stouts, I prefer Murphys to Guinness as far as
the commercially available stouts.
The Sierra Nevada brews seem to have a fan base here. I can't get
into them. There is a microbrewery in Laughlin Nv. called The Boiler
Room that (supposedly) has a former brewmaster from the Sierra Nevada
Brewery. My buddies that like that style really enjoyed their brews
(way more pungent than SNBC, IMO)

Has anybody else tried a Cave Creek Chili Beer? A light and bubbly
American style beer with a chili floating in it. Pretty good as far
as taste goes but the next day is pure punishment!!!


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Buckler

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:53 GMT, jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin)
wrote:

>
>


>There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>Monty Python?
>

>Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>without a cold one in hand.
>
>Also, what is your favorite beer?
>

>This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.

/me looks forlornly at his fermenter and racking tub.

Gotta make that list...new blowoff tube, gravity meter, fermentation
lock, carboy...I need to brew again.

Coors Light? Feh. I'll take a Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome Ale, or a
Lambic of almost any sort. I miss Berliner Weizen (with the raspberry
syrup, not the woodruff). Note to self: get granite chunks for
steinbier experiment...

As to activities? Pondering the Deep Stuff with good friends.

Buckler

raven1

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:16:48 GMT, Dave W <n...@nope.com> wrote:


>Has anybody else tried a Cave Creek Chili Beer?

The original was quite enjoyable; they seem to have cut down the heat
quite a bit after the second year of production or so. It's still a
good beer to have on a hot summer's day.

> A light and bubbly
>American style beer with a chili floating in it. Pretty good as far
>as taste goes but the next day is pure punishment!!!

Depends on how experienced with peppers one is... ;-)


Woden

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:34:39 +0100, "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk>
wrote:

>
>Woden <wo...@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:3bd85342....@news.charter.net...
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:54:55 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
><mark.w...@ic.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >NM - Remove LALALALALA to email me <nicoLAL...@altiva.fr> wrote in
>> >message news:pan.2001.10.25.1...@altiva.fr...
>> >> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:11:53 +0200, Darwin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
>> >> > whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
>> >> > without a cold one in hand.
>> >>
>> >> The stuff you do in the pubs, I guess. Like bullshit drunk chicks.
>> >>
>> >> > Also, what is your favorite beer?
>> >>
>> >> Guinness. It's a whole meal.
>> >
>> >To quote Viz.
>> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
>pint
>> >of Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That doesn't say much for Viz's taste. I think I'll stick with the
>Guiness
>> or home brewed stout.
>>
>Most Guiness is semi chemical now, especially the exported stuff.
>

Which is one of the nice things about home brew.

Dave W

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I usually have good luck with spicy stuff, but it seems that the
chili/beer combination had more than it share of wrath. I suppose
"everything in moderation" would apply but what the hell fun is that.

Wolf333

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>
> Wolf333 <wol...@spamspamexcite.com> wrote in message
> news:YKRB7.80522$kf1.24...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com...

>
> > > Also, what is your favorite beer?
> >
> > Tough one. Some of our British friends might set me straight, but I
think
> > it's called John Smiths Amber. It's been almost ten years (not to
mention
> > the fact that I was drinking at the time). I don't like stouts, I can
say
> > that for sure.
> >
>
> Don't recall John Smiths doing an Amber. The John smiths most people get
is
> the bitter which I drink but am not all that hot on.
>

That's right. Damn, now I can't remember the name of the amber.

>


Jos Flachs

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On 25 Oct 2001 14:16:08 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
wrote:


>Much as we love to make fun of American beer, in the end I'll always
>admit that a hundred million thirsty beer-drinkers can't be entirely
>wrong. There's something good about these beers.
A billion people believe in god, therefore .... :-)
I agree, it's good to quench your thirst on a hot day without the risk
of getting drunk.

>So all in all, I think American beer preferences are not to be
>laughed at. We don't drink thin beer because we're wimps or have no
>taste, we drink them because they're the best everyday drink in our
>climate. And they're cheap. :-)
Gee, and they say something about us Dutch.... cheapo!

>>never had any of the beer
>>mentioned by Jos Flachs either...
So much more the pity for you!

>Don't feel too badly. Most of the beers Jos mentions are Dutch
>and Belgian, and about the only Dutch beer you'll find easily in
No, almost exclusively Belgians. Not that many great beers in The
Netherlands. Belgium is the beer drinker's paradise. And Bavaria, of
course. But Belgium has far more variety.

>America is Heineken. Which ain't that far from Budweiser, in the
>big picture. (Ditto for Becks, the other huge mass-market beer you
>can find nearly anywhere in Europe.)
Try Grolsch. Better than Heineken.

>>> All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>>> occasions: Liefmans.
>
>Lambic is a special Belgian beer, fermented first in open vats
>where they pick up various "wild" yeasts, then in wood casks
>for secondary fermentation and storage for a year or so. There's a
>lot more to the process - it's complex and has several variants.
>The bottom line is that it's a very unusual flavor for beer, and
>most people need to aquire the taste, which has strong sweet and sour
>components. Kriek is a lambic flavored with cherries, so it's
>even wierder. Much as I love beer, I usually am not in the mood for
>one of these.
Excellent description, but I don't agree with the unusual.

>>> Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers.
>
>White beers (Whitbier) are light Dutch beers. They contain some
>wheat in addition to barley malt and are not strongly hopped.
>Weissen... I *think* that's the Dutch form of the German "Weizen"
>wheat beer I mentioned earlier, but I'm not sure. (Sometimes these
>beers are called Weisse (White) in Germany, though that name is
>better associated with a particular beer brewed only in Berlin,
>Berliner Weisse.)
Sorry, error is mine. Witbier is the Dutch word, Weizen or Weissen the
German one. The style doesn't really exist anymore in The Netherlands,
but is being revived. Berliner Weisse is just one tyep/brand of white
beer, there are many more.
>>>And of
>>> course who could live without Trappist beers?
>
>The Trappist monasteries in Belgium have a long brewing tradition,
>producing some excellent beers, many of which are (ahem) "unusually"
>strong. :-) You can find these in America - heck, you can find just
>about any beer in America if you look hard enough, but these
>are relatively easy.
Trappist are appr. 6-9%; and very heavy.
>>> Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.

>I doubt Jos means our American Lowenbrau. That's actually a pretty
Oh, you got one too? Didn't know that.
>common name; I think there are three different Loewenbraeus in
>Bavaria alone, and a large Loewenbraeu in Switzerland.

>>However, in Thailand we are not that far advanced, so I be happy with
>>a Black Beer. Kloster is OK, and Singha a wee bit too bitter to my
>>taste.
>
>Black beer - well, it may be different in Thailand, but in Europe
>these are very dark, earthy beers; kind of like stouts, but not as
>heavy-bodied. Traditionally, they were advertised as "restoratives";
>healthy beers chock-full of vitamins and minerals, prescribed for the
>sick or for women nursing babies. Quite yummy, honest!
No, it is very different. I know what you mean, but our black beers
are lager (bottom fermentation), and quite the same in flavour. Not
much different from blond lagers, but with more body.

>Kloster generally describes a beer brewed in a monastery
>("Cloister"); Trappist might be considered a subset unique to
>Belgium.
Kloster is a local lager brand, just a regular pilsner beer.
Originally brewed under license, from Germany.
>Singha is a lager, fairly similar to an American beer in fact, brewed
>in Indonesia (if memory serves - or is it Thailand?)
The latter. A bit plain in taste (good for you Yanks!) but much
stronger. About 5-6%. Thais drink relatively very strong lagers. The
strongest (and cheapest) is Chang [elephant], brewed by Carlsberg.
Tastes a bit sweeter than the Danish original and is substantially
heavier at 6-7%. Super Leo is another one.

May I compliment you on your very extensive knowledge?

To say something good about US beers: you are right, of course. Beauty
is in the eyes of the beholder. If you Americans like it, fine.
Europeans are a bit put off by the plain taste. And I'd rather have
coke, water or fruit juice if I'm thirsty.

I'd love to try the US micro's. Haven't had the chance yet.

>Director of the EAC Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Fast Cars,
>and Pornography.

Interesting. Any vacancies in the department?

> VI VI VI: the editor of the beast.
Yup, VI is beastly.

Jos Flachs

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:09:41 GMT, D...@slowbitchmail.nl (DJ Nozem)
wrote:

>>All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>>occasions: Liefmans.

>>Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers. And of


>>course who could live without Trappist beers?

>Particularly the Westmalle triple. It's been too long...
Mmm, haven't had that in a LONG time. :-(
Ever had Roodenbach?

>>Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.
>

>I'll have to try it. Many brewers here have taken on experiments with
>lemon and other fruits ( Lingens, Grolsch ) but the results have been
>rather poor, IMO.
No, Lowenbrau (German brand) is served with a slice of lemon.

>Do they sell Tsing Tao in Thailand?
Have to check the supermarket. It's a Chinese brand. Tiger
(Singaporean): yes, for sure. and many Japanese brands.

Pauwels is great, but I lost my glass :-(


Carl Wilson

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:21:30 GMT, Ken Shabby <ksh...@sonic.net>
wrote:

They do make a great porter. Their "Steam Beer" is also a favorite of
mine.

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:34:13 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Woden wrote:


>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:21:15 -0400, Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Roger Andrews wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7DB13...@earthling.com>...
>> >> <SNIP>
>> >> > My door is always open while I'm brewing. I need the ventilation. :-)
>> >>
>> >> I had to laugh when I read this.
>> >>
>> >> My daughter alway bitch up a storm about the smell when I brew. I
>> >> don't know what they're complaining about. I think it's a wonderful
>> >> aroma. Especially after I start adding the hops. =)
>> >
>> >It's about the heat, really. My apartment gets awful steamy after boiling
>> >a pot of wort for an hour. The A/C bill is high enough in Miami.
>> >I can still smell the hops a day later.
>> >
>>
>> Get a propane burner you can use outside. They sell them as "turkey fryers"
>> in the south. Thing puts out lots of BTU's & will boil 5 gal of wort in
>> about 5-10 minutes. Plus the wife & daughter don't bitch about the smell.
>
>I wish :-(
>The apartment rules won't let me have a propane tank. Insurance.
>

>If I move, my new house will have plumbing for a three-tier setup.
>In a whole room for the nanobrewery. :-)

Now that's what I call a serious homebrewer!

Leonardo Dasso

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>
>
> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?
>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.
>
> Also, what is your favorite beer?
>
> This is just idle curiousity, but please indulge me.
>
> --
> ~Darwin~
>

I fail to see the link between the header of your post and the body of your
post. The header talks about beer, and in your post you say you like to
drink Coors Light. What does it have to do with beer?
regards
leo


Fred Stone

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raven1 wrote:

Barley or wheat, actually, and it has to be malted to be RHGB.
Guiness uses unmalted barley to get the thick head.

Germany has backed off the RHGB because of EU treaties, though most
German breweries still follow it.

> >Plus tons of hops.
> >The "old style" Guiness had 3% soured beer added as well. Trade secret.
>
> Which I've used to good effect... ;-)

You can't get the "tang" without it.

Tom Murray

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Oct 26, 2001, 9:49:44 AM10/26/01
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In article <3bd7c644.271769044@news>,
jo...@NOSPAMlost-horizon.com (Darwin) wrote:

> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> Monty Python?

Coors light isn't beer!

>
> Just curious: what do you guys and gals think is the best thing to do
> whilst drinking beer? Name the one thing you cannot imagine doing
> without a cold one in hand.

Brewing.

>
> Also, what is your favorite beer?
>

My present favorite is Bridgeport India Pale Ale. Can't get it here in
Virginia, but I brought a six pack back from Seattle last summer.

The Old Dominion brewery makes a nice india Pale Ale.

I love Fin De Mond and La Trappe's Tripple.

--
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EAC Nitpicking Division
Tweezer Specialist

Beowulf

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Oct 26, 2001, 1:03:03 PM10/26/01
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Never mind the fact that there are German beers that don't meet the
Reinheitsgebot, either, such as Berliner Weiss or Hefeweizen.

Both of these contain wheat as part of the mash.

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Beowulf

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Mark Whickman wrote:
>
> The red trinalge Bass?
> Not bad but a bit too commercialised.

What?!? I think they have some of the most ingenious radio
spots around. I especially liked the ones they ran a while
back about the guy who went the South Pole, but turned back
when he ran out of Bass.

Beowulf

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Buckler wrote:
>
> /me looks forlornly at his fermenter and racking tub.
>
> Gotta make that list...new blowoff tube, gravity meter, fermentation
> lock, carboy...I need to brew again.
>
> Coors Light? Feh. I'll take a Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome Ale, or a
> Lambic of almost any sort. I miss Berliner Weizen (with the raspberry
> syrup, not the woodruff). Note to self: get granite chunks for
> steinbier experiment...
>
> As to activities? Pondering the Deep Stuff with good friends.
>
> Buckler

Steinbrau, now there's a serious homebrewer.
To hell with the stove! I'm boiling my wort with hot stones!

I, too, need to (literally) dust off my brewing equipment and get
my ass in gear. My son's a year old now, I can stop using him as
an excuse for not having time to brew.

And remember people make wort, but yeast make beer.

Bill Thacker

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In article <JNfYO9LDe+nO=1JNXSBr...@4ax.com>,

Jos Flachs <wcr...@ksc15.th.com> wrote:
>On 25 Oct 2001 14:16:08 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
>wrote:
>
>>Much as we love to make fun of American beer, in the end I'll always
>>admit that a hundred million thirsty beer-drinkers can't be entirely
>>wrong. There's something good about these beers.
>A billion people believe in god, therefore .... :-)

:-)

>>So all in all, I think American beer preferences are not to be
>>laughed at. We don't drink thin beer because we're wimps or have no
>>taste, we drink them because they're the best everyday drink in our
>>climate. And they're cheap. :-)

>Gee, and they say something about us Dutch.... cheapo!

Well, of course. But I'm not pointing fingers; my ancestry is
part Swabian, and they're renowned as the cheapest people in Germany.

The story goes that a Saxon, a Bavarian, and a Swabian all go
to a bar and order a beer. When the beers arrive, the Saxon notices
a fly floating in his glass. Outraged, he calls the bartender over
and makes him pour a fresh glass. The Bavarian and Swabian laugh.

Then the Bavarian looks down at his beer and sees that his glass also
has a fly in it. But he's Bavarian - he's not about to waste
perfectly good beer - so he reaches in, pulls out the fly, throws
it away and drinks his beer. The Swabian laughs.

Then the Swabian sees that his beer, too, has a fly in it. But
he's Swabian - he's not going to waste anything. So he reaches in,
pulls out the fly, and squeezes it to make it spit out any beer
it may have swallowed, then throws it away and drinks his beer.

>>>never had any of the beer
>>>mentioned by Jos Flachs either...
>So much more the pity for you!
>
>>Don't feel too badly. Most of the beers Jos mentions are Dutch
>>and Belgian, and about the only Dutch beer you'll find easily in
>No, almost exclusively Belgians. Not that many great beers in The
>Netherlands. Belgium is the beer drinker's paradise. And Bavaria, of
>course. But Belgium has far more variety.

I was in Amsterdam just a couple months ago and I'd have to disagree.
Granted, most of them aren't *made* there, but they enjoy a tremendous
selection of domestic and imported beers.

>>America is Heineken.

>Try Grolsch. Better than Heineken.

Good point, I'd forgotten Grolsch. (And ignored Amstel Light.)

>Sorry, error is mine. Witbier is the Dutch word, Weizen or Weissen the
>German one. The style doesn't really exist anymore in The Netherlands,
>but is being revived.

I saw Wieckse Wit served in a lot of places, and not just brown cafes.
OK, it's probably the Budweiser of Witbiers, but...

>>>> Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.
>
>>I doubt Jos means our American Lowenbrau. That's actually a pretty

>Oh, you got one too? Didn't know that.

Yep. It's nothing special. I think it came out in the 70s and was
touted as a "high class" beer, but it's hardly any better than
the other mainstream beers.

>>Kloster generally describes a beer brewed in a monastery
>>("Cloister"); Trappist might be considered a subset unique to
>>Belgium.
>Kloster is a local lager brand, just a regular pilsner beer.

Ah.

>>Singha is a lager, fairly similar to an American beer in fact, brewed
>>in Indonesia (if memory serves - or is it Thailand?)
>The latter. A bit plain in taste (good for you Yanks!) but much
>stronger. About 5-6%. Thais drink relatively very strong lagers. The
>strongest (and cheapest) is Chang [elephant], brewed by Carlsberg.
>Tastes a bit sweeter than the Danish original and is substantially
>heavier at 6-7%. Super Leo is another one.

Interesting, in that "strong" and "sweet" *should* mean a more
expensive beer. I'm guessing Chang must be made with added sugar
(or maybe rice?) to produce the strength and sweetness, right?

>May I compliment you on your very extensive knowledge?

You may compliment me for any reason whatsoever. :-) Thanks. Like
Fred Stone, I'm an amateur brewer. I had the additional advantage
of living in Nuremberg for a year and a half, and I did the "Beer
lover's tour" of the area during that time. Muenchen for
Oktoberfest; Bamberg for Rauchbier; Duesseldorf for Alt, Koeln for
Koelsch, Berlin for Weisse...

(That may sound pathetic, but it's actually pretty cool. It
gave me a "handle" for studying each city, so that when I arrived
there was something expected and familiar waiting for me. I really
believe that first glass of Alt was telling me, "Welcome to
Duesseldorf, Bill!" And I'd swear under oath that's what the tenth
glass was telling me. That, and "Go find a WC before it's too late."
:-) In addition, during my travels I collected over 70 beer glasses,
and each one reminds me where I was and what I was doing as I enjoyed
that beer. Tactile memory, much better than photos.)

>I'd love to try the US micro's. Haven't had the chance yet.

They're our salvation, plain and simple.

>>Director of the EAC Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Fast Cars,
>>and Pornography.
>Interesting. Any vacancies in the department?

We seem to have a high rate of absenteeism in the Alcohol Department,
and the guys down in Pornography can always use a hand. :-)

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Fred Stone

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Beowulf wrote:

> raven1 wrote:
> >
> > On 25 Oct 2001 17:39:44 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Though there's also the story, perhaps apocryphal, that German customs
> > >authorities halted a shipment of Guinness Stout into Germany. The
> > >customs declaration described the shipment as "beer", and the German
> > >beer purity law defined beer as as substance containing only barley
> > >malt, hops, water (and yeast), so the additional ingredients in
> > >Guinness technically disqualified it. :-)
> >
> > I don't know of any other ingredients in Guinness. Sounds apocryphal
> > to me.
>
> Never mind the fact that there are German beers that don't meet the
> Reinheitsgebot, either, such as Berliner Weiss or Hefeweizen.
>
> Both of these contain wheat as part of the mash.

Malted wheat was allowed. It's the unmalted stuff in Guiness that was
the problem. It's all academic anymore because Germany dropped
the RHGB. It's just a tradition of German breweries now.
And more and more of them are dropping it in the face of economic
considerations.

Bill Thacker

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In article <3BD99747...@homosapiens.attglobal.net>,

Beowulf <skr...@homosapiens.attglobal.net> wrote:
>Never mind the fact that there are German beers that don't meet the
>Reinheitsgebot, either, such as Berliner Weiss or Hefeweizen.
>
>Both of these contain wheat as part of the mash.

Right. That one puzzled me, too. Near as I can tell, they don't
call those "Bier". A Pils is a Bier, but a Weizen is a Weizen.
But that may be changing rapidly now that the Reinheitsgebot
no longer has the force of law.

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right mind would believe." - Archie Bunker

Fred Stone

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Beowulf wrote:

Winemakers are farmers. Brewers are engineers! ;-)

Beowulf

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Oct 26, 2001, 4:15:36 PM10/26/01
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Fred Stone wrote:

>
> Beowulf wrote:
>
> >
> > Never mind the fact that there are German beers that don't meet
> > the Reinheitsgebot, either, such as Berliner Weiss or Hefeweizen.
> >
> > Both of these contain wheat as part of the mash.
>
> Malted wheat was allowed. It's the unmalted stuff in Guiness that
> was the problem. It's all academic anymore because Germany dropped
> the RHGB. It's just a tradition of German breweries now.
> And more and more of them are dropping it in the face of economic
> considerations.
>

Are you sure? That may be the de facto enforcement, but the
traditional Reinheitsgebot of 1516 only specifically states
barley (no distinction on malted or otherwise), hops, and
water.

See here:
http://hbd.org/brewery/library/ReinHeit.html

Have there been revisions? I couldn't find mention of any
during a quick Google search.

Eric Pepke

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Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<3BD7D6EC...@earthling.com>...
> Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

Sierra Nevada is beer for people who like Cascade hops.

Eric Pepke

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> Any Mexican beer, including Corona.

Ever have Indio? It's quite excellent.

Bored With The Boring Again

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:38:25 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
<mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> wrote:

>
>Elf Sternberg <e...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
>news:10040280...@yabetcha.sttl.drizzle.com...
>> In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>


>> "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
>pint of
>> >Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
>>

>> Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike the
>> bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm
>convinced
>> that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually nothing
>could
>> live off the stuff.
>>
>Marmite is nice, needs to be on hot toast with butter though. Lots of
>vitamins.

The stuff is -VILE- beyone words to describe. The best description I
can come up with is "salted axle grease".


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Fred Stone

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Bored With The Boring Again wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:38:25 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
> <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Elf Sternberg <e...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
> >news:10040280...@yabetcha.sttl.drizzle.com...
> >> In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>
> >> "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:
> >>
> >> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
> >pint of
> >> >Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
> >>
> >> Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike the
> >> bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm
> >convinced
> >> that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually nothing
> >could
> >> live off the stuff.
> >>
> >Marmite is nice, needs to be on hot toast with butter though. Lots of
> >vitamins.
>
> The stuff is -VILE- beyone words to describe. The best description I
> can come up with is "salted axle grease".

It's just the yeast left over from brewing, salted and cooked to sterilize.

stoney

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On 25 Oct 2001 14:16:08 GMT, w...@cbemi.cb.lucent.com (Bill Thacker), Message ID:
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(snip)

>>> Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.
>
>I doubt Jos means our American Lowenbrau. That's actually a pretty

>common name; I think there are three different Loewenbraeus in
>Bavaria alone, and a large Loewenbraeu in Switzerland.

ERRRkkkkk...."American" Lowenbrau. It was a very rude awakening, many years
ago, that I had. In Detroit, after work had sat down at a local pub to enjoy a
cold Lowenbrau. Even after two years after leaving Britain I couldn't tolerate
American beer-well, I could 'choke down' a Michelob dark, but enjoyed the
imported stuff. Anyway, was served a Lowenbrau and I raised the bottle to my
lips and drank-----almost spitting the stuff out! This wasn't Lowenbrau!

Suspiciously, I looked at the label-Lowenbrau...I looked at it some more...then
I looked closer and was reading the fine print...to find...
"brewed under lisence by the Miller Brewing Company." That was back about
1979/80. Haven't gone near one since.


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On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Darwin wrote:
>
>> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
>> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
>> Monty Python?
>

>Coors Light isn't beer.
>Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.


>Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)

Just downed a six pack of SNPA...pretty good stuff.


--
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become a forbidden way, for at its portal stands the
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Fred Stone

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Darwin wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:10:04 -0400, Fred Stone
> <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
>
> >Darwin wrote:
> >
> >> There is nothing more satisfying than kicking back to a six pack of
> >> Coors Light and watching...err...wrestling? football? baseball?
> >> Monty Python?
> >
> >Coors Light isn't beer.
> >Or rather, Coors Light is beer for people who don't like beer.
> >Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is beer for people who like beer. ;-)
>
> Just downed a six pack of SNPA...pretty good stuff.

Ahh, another hophead!

Bored With The Boring Again

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:29:55 GMT, Dave W <n...@nope.com> wrote:

>In article raven1, psyched...@flashmail.com mutters this little
>jewel from the end barstool
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:16:48 GMT, Dave W <n...@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Has anybody else tried a Cave Creek Chili Beer?
>>
>> The original was quite enjoyable; they seem to have cut down the heat
>> quite a bit after the second year of production or so. It's still a
>> good beer to have on a hot summer's day.
>>
>> > A light and bubbly
>> >American style beer with a chili floating in it. Pretty good as far
>> >as taste goes but the next day is pure punishment!!!
>>
>> Depends on how experienced with peppers one is... ;-)
>>
>I usually have good luck with spicy stuff, but it seems that the
>chili/beer combination had more than it share of wrath. I suppose
>"everything in moderation" would apply but what the hell fun is that.

The rule is "everything in moderation, particularly moderation".

Bored With The Boring Again

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:17:35 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

>Bored With The Boring Again wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:38:25 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
>> <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Elf Sternberg <e...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
>> >news:10040280...@yabetcha.sttl.drizzle.com...
>> >> In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>
>> >> "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:
>> >>
>> >> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
>> >pint of
>> >> >Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
>> >>
>> >> Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike the
>> >> bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm
>> >convinced
>> >> that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually nothing
>> >could
>> >> live off the stuff.
>> >>
>> >Marmite is nice, needs to be on hot toast with butter though. Lots of
>> >vitamins.
>>
>> The stuff is -VILE- beyone words to describe. The best description I
>> can come up with is "salted axle grease".
>
>It's just the yeast left over from brewing, salted and cooked to sterilize.

Its still nasty.

Fred Stone

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It's good for you. Lots of vitamins. ;-)

You get the same vitamins drinking unpasteurized, unfiltered beer.
Mostly B's and amino acids.

DJ Nozem

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:54:29 +0700, Jos Flachs <wcr...@ksc15.th.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:09:41 GMT, D...@slowbitchmail.nl (DJ Nozem)
>wrote:

>>>All time favorites: all Krieken and Lambic beers. For special
>>>occasions: Liefmans.
>>>Next in line white beers, notably Hoegaarden, or weissen biers. And of
>>>course who could live without Trappist beers?

>>Particularly the Westmalle triple. It's been too long...

>Mmm, haven't had that in a LONG time. :-(

Just bought one ;-P

>Ever had Roodenbach?

I don't think I have.

>>>Lowenbrau (with lemon) is fine.

>>I'll have to try it. Many brewers here have taken on experiments with
>>lemon and other fruits ( Lingens, Grolsch ) but the results have been
>>rather poor, IMO.

>No, Lowenbrau (German brand) is served with a slice of lemon.

I see. I once ordered a Corona and they rolled a slice of lemon and
put it in the bottle, so you drink through it. It's pretty tasty, but
it doesn't remind you of (real) beer.

>>Do they sell Tsing Tao in Thailand?

>Have to check the supermarket. It's a Chinese brand.

I know, tastes pretty normal.

>Tiger
>(Singaporean): yes, for sure. and many Japanese brands.

So you have something to choose from.

>Pauwels is great, but I lost my glass :-(

Poor fellow. The glass is half of the experience, well, a considerable
part anyway.

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:38:11 -0400, Fred Stone
<fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:

Beer tastes better. ;-)

Fred Stone

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Exactly. Homebrew is good for you. :-)

Mark Whickman

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"Bored With The Boring Again" <fire...@god.airmail.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:38:25 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
> <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Elf Sternberg <e...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
> >news:10040280...@yabetcha.sttl.drizzle.com...
> >> In article <9r924l$mbo$1...@jura.cc.ic.ac.uk>
> >> "Mark Whickman" <mark.w...@ic.ac.uk> writes:
> >>
> >> >"A glass of marmite topped with shaving foam makes a quite convincing
> >pint of
> >> >Guiness, and has the advantage of tasting nicer."
> >>
> >> Now, that's not fair. I've drunk Guiness. It's okay. Unlike
the
> >> bottle of marmite still sitting in my pantry after two years. I'm
> >convinced
> >> that it's still, for some definition of, edible, since virtually
nothing
> >could
> >> live off the stuff.
> >>
> >Marmite is nice, needs to be on hot toast with butter though. Lots of
> >vitamins.
>
> The stuff is -VILE- beyone words to describe. The best description I
> can come up with is "salted axle grease".
>
Ever tried axle grease?


Bored With The Boring Again

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Yes. When I was about five years old. Just one taste was enough.

Jos Flachs

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:48:47 GMT, D...@slowbitchmail.nl (DJ Nozem)
wrote:

>>>Particularly the Westmalle triple. It's been too long...


>
>>Mmm, haven't had that in a LONG time. :-(
>
>Just bought one ;-P
>
>>Ever had Roodenbach?
>
>I don't think I have.

Try it. A bit like Pauwels. Kwak! :-)

>I see. I once ordered a Corona and they rolled a slice of lemon and
>put it in the bottle, so you drink through it. It's pretty tasty, but
>it doesn't remind you of (real) beer.

Corona is rather flavorless. Hence the required lemon. (But then, I
feel that those fruits are also necessary to empty the bottles....!)

>So you have something to choose from.

Yes. I can choose between lager, lager and lager. OR I forgot: there
is some lager as well... :-(

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Marmite's nice!


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