> Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:23:45 -0500, Man of Mind  replied:

>>> On 10/28/2012 3:49 PM, flawed shrieking fraud whimpered in frustration:

>>>> berzerk_f...@yahoo.com wrote in talk.politics.goons:

>>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:13:26 -0500, Man of Mind pointed out to:

>>>>>> On 10/28/2012 10:59 AM, flawed shrieking fraud whined/opined:

>>>>>>> 3216 Dead replied with a simple concept:

>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 08:54:11 -0500, berserk_fart writhed in denials:
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>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why I have issues with liberals - they do not
>>>>>>>>> believe in the basic American tenets of freedom.

>>>>>>>> The most basic tenet is that the American people serve themselves,
>>>>>>>> and not rich masters.

>>>>>>> "Serve themselves." WTF does that mean?

>>>>>> It means that 'freedom' is not equivalent to 'economic serfdom'..

>>>>> And exactly who do you believe is in a state of 'economic serfdom'?

>>>> When the government doesn't supply 100% of everything they want

>>> That would be a non sequitur, as the expectation of any sort
>>> of "government supplying 100% of everything" is not only just
>>> impossible, it's a false premise on which to characterize an
>>> opponent's position (eg straw man pseudo-argument)..

>>> So, Blobby Frenchu's bloviation aside, the government provides
>>> for the well-being of "We, the People, of the United States"..

>>> --That's in the Preamble, as well as Article I, Section 8, Clause 1..

>> Not exactly, it says  "general welfare". What does that mean to you?
>> Do you think it means, for example, free health care?

> Who's advocating for free health care?