Jews murdered more people than the nazis did
mullah
[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
and Still Hide It From Us...]
Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly
ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be
reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine.
Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers -
called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush
Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier
versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants
into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective
executions of recalcitrant farmers.
When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.
But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so
many people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper
medium of death - mass starvation.
All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam
used the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the
resulting famine caused one million deaths.)
OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines.
Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of
food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and
sickness.
When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman
Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the
Soviet ZHID Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly.
Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A
Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the
slaughter.
During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by
Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots
and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made
famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's
archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven
million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or
higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated.
Millions of victims
Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
Estonia,Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet
industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not
including 20 million war dead.
Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful
crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic
states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish
people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result,
during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's
innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians,
Balts and Poles.
While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's
Jews by the Nazis, nthe story of the numerically larger holocaust in
Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred
8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed,
unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of
millions was simply denied, or concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of
silence that continues to this day.
In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and
PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and
proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not
see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million
people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and
historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the
inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they
eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
Franklin Roosevelt called"Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people
than Adolf Hitler.
None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever
brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few
years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a
generous state pension.
Acolyte of Glorious La Parka~ wants these motherf*ckin snakes off this motherf*ckin plane
our positions for Psychotic NutJobs.
(Here, we call them "liEberals".)
--
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"You pity the fool because you don't want to beat up the fool......If
you pity him you won't have to beat him up."
Mr. T, on pitying da foos, to reporter Kevin Thompson, Palm Beach Post,
July 15, 2006. P. 7D
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Colin Day
> Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
> [How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
> and Still Hide It From Us...]
>
> Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
> By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
> As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
> trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
> the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly
> ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be
> reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
> In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine.
> Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers -
> called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush
> Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
> dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier
> versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants
> into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective
> executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
> When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
> OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.
>
<snip />
Wasn't Stalin himself anti-Jewish? Didn't he snub his daughter because
she married a Jew?
Colin Day aa #1500
John Baker
these motherf*ckin snakes off this motherf*ckin plane"
<tit...@marcocable.com> wrote:
>Thank you, Sir, for your application, but RSPW ALREADY has filled all
>our positions for Psychotic NutJobs.
>
>
>(Here, we call them "liEberals".)
No, in this group we call them 'neocons.'
Flash Bazbo
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
>and Still Hide It From Us...]
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
But, unlike the Holocust, no one is running around denying Stalin's
pogroms occurred.
What does being Jewish have to do with the Soviet purges? Why don't
you rant against pagans since some of the high-ranking Nazis who
orchestrated the Holocaust were pagans? Are you not alarmed at the
pagan conspiracy to rule the world?
raven1
wrote:
>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
>and Still Hide It From Us...]
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
>the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine.
>Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers -
>called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush
>Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
Stalin was a Roman Catholic.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
whisk...@sbcglobal.net
"The Jews were now free to indulge in their most fervent fantasies of
mass murder of helpless victims. Christians were dragged from their
beds, tortured and killed. Some were actually sliced to pieces, bit by
bit, while others were branded with hot irons, their eyes poked out to
induce unbearable pain. Others were placed in boxes with only their
heads, hands and legs sticking out. Then hungry rats were placed in the
boxes to gnaw upon their bodies. Some were nailed to the ceiling by
their fingers or by their feet, and left hanging until they died of
exhaustion. Others were chained to the floor and left hanging until
they died of exhaustion. Others were chained to the floor and hot lead
poured into their mouths. Many were tied to horses and dragged through
the streets of the city, while Jewish mobs attacked them with rocks and
kicked them to death.
Christian mothers were taken to the public square and their babies
snatched from their arms. A red Jewish terrorist would take the baby,
hold it by the feet, head downward and demand that the Christian mother
deny Christ. If she would not, he would toss the baby into the air, and
another member of the mob would rush forward and catch it on the tip of
his bayonet.
Pregnant Christian women were chained to trees and their babies cut out
of their bodies. There were many places of public execution in Russia
during the days of the revolution, one of which was described by the
American Rohrbach Commission: 'The whole cement floor of the execution
hall of the Jewish Cheka of Kiev was flooded with blood; it formed a
level of several inches. It was a horrible mixture of blood, brains and
pieces of skull. All the walls were bespattered with blood. Pieces of
brains and of scalps were sticking to them. A gutter of 25 centimeters
wide by 25 centimeters deep and about 10 meters long was along its
length full to the top with blood.
Some bodies were disemboweled, others had limbs chopped off, some were
literally hacked to pieces. Some had their eyes put out, the head, face
and neck and trunk were covered with deep wounds. Further on, we found
a corpse with a wedge driven into its chest. Some had no tongues. In a
corner we discovered a quantity of dismembered arms and legs belonging
to no bodies that we could locate.'" (Defender Magazine, October 1933).
"The Red Terror became so wide-spread that it is impossible to give
here all the details of the principal means employed by the [Jewish]
Cheka(s) to master resistance; one of the most important is that of
hostages, taken among all social classes. These are held responsible
for any anti-Bolshevist movements (revolts, the White Army, strikes,
refusal of a village to give its harvest etc.) and are immediately
executed. Thus, for the assassination of the jew Ouritzky, member of
the Extraordinary Commission of Petrograd, several thousands of them
were put to death, and many of these unfortunate men and women suffered
before death various tortures inflicted by cold-blooded cruelty in the
prisons of the Cheka.
I have in front of me photographs taken at Kharkoff, in the presence of
the Allied Missions, immediately after the Reds had abandoned the town;
they consist of a series of ghastly reproductions such as: Bodies of
three workmen taken as hostages from a factory which went on strike.
One had his eyes burnt, his lips and nose cut off; the other two had
their hands cut off.
The bodies of hostages, S. Afaniasouk and P. Prokpovitch, small landed
proprietors, who were scalped by their executioners; S. Afaniasouk
shows numerous burns caused by a white hot sword blade. The body of M.
Bobroff, a former officer, who had his tongue and one hand cut off and
the skin torn off from his left leg.
Human skin torn from the hands of several victims by means of a
metallic comb. This sinister find was the result of a careful
inspection of the cellar of the Extraordinary Commission of Kharkoff.
The retired general Pontiafa, a hostage who had the skin of his right
hand torn off and the genital parts mutilated.
Mutilated bodies of women hostages: S. Ivanovna, owner of a drapery
business, Mme. A.L. Carolshaja, wife of a colonel, Mmo. Khlopova, a
property owner. They had their breasts slit and emptied and the genital
parts burnt and having trace of coal.
Bodies of four peasant hostages, Bondarenko, Pookhikle, Sevenetry, and
Sidorfehouk, with atrociously mutilated faces, the genital parts having
been operated upon by Chinese torturers in a manner unknown to European
doctors in whose opinion the agony caused to the victims must have been
dreadful.
It is impossible to enumerate all the forms of savagery which the Red
Terror took. A volume would not contain them. The Cheka of Kharkoff,
for example, in which Saenko operated, had the specialty of scalping
victims and taking off the skin of their hands as one takes off a
glove...At Voronege the victims were shut up naked in a barrel studded
with nails which was then rolled about. Their foreheads were branded
with a red hot iron FIVE POINTED STAR. At Tsaritsin and at Kamishin
their bones were sawed...At Keif the victim was shut up in a chest
containing decomposing corpses; after firing shots above his head his
torturers told him that he would be buried alive. The chest was buried
and opened again half an hour later when the interrogation of the
victim was proceeded with. The scene was repeated several times over.
It is not surprising that many victims went mad." (S.P. Melgounov, p.
164-166; The Secret Powers Behind Revolution, by Vicomte Leon De
Poncins, p. 151-153).
Jon Schild
Now, now. You are trying to use logic against someone who is immune to
it. That will never work.
mullah
> On 22 Aug 2006 12:44:28 -0700, "mullah" <muldoo...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
> >
> >[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
> >and Still Hide It From Us...]
> >
> >Archived for Scholarly Study
>
> But, unlike the Holocust, no one is running around denying Stalin's
> pogroms occurred.
Patently untrue. I've been to several message boards where people
outright said the Ukranian holocaust was a lie.
Besides that, look at all the Hollywood movies that feature nazis, and
all the history channel specials about the holocaust and nazis, and
20/20, Dateline NBC, and 60 Minutes specials about the holocaust. Why
isn't the same coverage being given to the Ukranian holocaust?
>
> What does being Jewish have to do with the Soviet purges? Why don't
> you rant against pagans since some of the high-ranking Nazis who
> orchestrated the Holocaust were pagans? Are you not alarmed at the
> pagan conspiracy to rule the world?
Communism was invented as a way to achieve jewish supremacy.
raven1
Would that be the pro-Nazi, rabidly anti-Semitic Defender Magazine?
Hardly an unbiased or reliable source.
Flash Bazbo
wrote:
>Flash Bazbo wrote:
>> On 22 Aug 2006 12:44:28 -0700, "mullah" <muldoo...@excite.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>> >
>> >[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
>> >and Still Hide It From Us...]
>> >
>> >Archived for Scholarly Study
>>
>> But, unlike the Holocust, no one is running around denying Stalin's
>> pogroms occurred.
>
>Patently untrue. I've been to several message boards where people
>outright said the Ukranian holocaust was a lie.
I was unaware of these boards. Just goes to show you idioct knows no
bounds.
>
>Besides that, look at all the Hollywood movies that feature nazis, and
>all the history channel specials about the holocaust and nazis, and
>20/20, Dateline NBC, and 60 Minutes specials about the holocaust. Why
>isn't the same coverage being given to the Ukranian holocaust?
I have seen biographies of Stalin on the History Channel. They didn't
gloss over his atrocities, to my recollection. However, there is a
morbid fascination with Nazis that generates ratings. If the History
Channel can make more money with Nazis than with Stalinists guess
which ones will get the coverage.
>> What does being Jewish have to do with the Soviet purges? Why don't
>> you rant against pagans since some of the high-ranking Nazis who
>> orchestrated the Holocaust were pagans? Are you not alarmed at the
>> pagan conspiracy to rule the world?
>
>Communism was invented as a way to achieve jewish supremacy.
How come no one decries the Protocols of the Learned Elders of
Lutherism?
Lukas Louw
> all the history channel specials about the holocaust and nazis, and
> 20/20, Dateline NBC, and 60 Minutes specials about the holocaust. Why
> isn't the same coverage being given to the Ukranian holocaust?
So are you Ukrainian? Or do you have another beef?
Gene Ward Smith
> Stalin was a Roman Catholic.
Stalin was an atheist, you nitwit. His attended the Jesuit seminary to
get an education. His mom wanted him to be a priest but Joe wasn't in
the least interested.
By the way, the seminary expelled him for being a Communist.
Rockboy
> Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
> [How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
> and Still Hide It From Us...]
Nice editing of the actual article, found here
http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/1998/12/remembering_ukr.php
The article is anti-Stalin, not anti-Jew.
The only paragraph jews are mentioned in are these two, and it does not
blame them.
"Kaganovitch, and many senior OGPU officers( later, NKVD) were Jewish.
The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful
crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin’s Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic,
and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for
both communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the
subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region’s innocent Jews
became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts, and Poles.
While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe’s
Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in
Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine’s genocide occured 8-9
years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed,
unlike Nazi crimes, before the world’s gaze. But Stalin’s murder of
millions was simply denied, or concealed by a leftwing conspiracy of
silence that continues to this day. In the strange moral geometry of
mass murder, only Nazis are guilty."
--
Rockboy
I don't care what you say
I'm tired of fucking you anyway
Michael Gray
>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
>and Still Hide It From Us...]
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
So, Stalin was a jew, already???????
Douglas Berry
posting the following on Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:43:28 GMT iin
alt.atheism?
Stalin purged the Red Army of Jews, and a common charge at the show
trials was an "alliance with Zionists." Part of it was Stalin's
upbringing in a conservative, religious home. The other part was a
sheer terror of Trotsky that survived Trotsky's murder. Stalin saw
Trotsky's hand at every turn.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Douglas Berry
<muldoo...@excite.com> posting the following on 22 Aug 2006
15:03:22 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
>Besides that, look at all the Hollywood movies that feature nazis, and
>all the history channel specials about the holocaust and nazis, and
>20/20, Dateline NBC, and 60 Minutes specials about the holocaust. Why
>isn't the same coverage being given to the Ukranian holocaust?
How about the Armenian Genocide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
rec.sport.pro-wrestling, rec.crafts.metalworking,
alt.gossip.celebrities, alt.battlestar-galactica, and
rec.arts.sf.written snipped.
Douglas Berry
<quotht...@nevermore.com> posting the following on Tue, 22 Aug
2006 17:37:10 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
>Stalin was a Roman Catholic.
Armenian Catholic. Slight difference.
mullah
Stalin was a mamzar jew. And he certainly loved jews enough to make
them the top ranking bolsheviks in power.
Wendel Fendel
>
>
> Stalin was a mamzar jew. And he certainly loved jews enough to make
> them the top ranking bolsheviks in power.
He was Russian orthodox. There is nothing Jewish about Stalin. Not a
bit. Stalin also had the Head Jew, Trotsky, bumped off.
Had Stalin lived another year there would have been the Mother of
Pogroms in the Soviet Union. Joe was working on it when he died.
Bob Kolker
mullah
Flash Bazbo wrote:
> On 22 Aug 2006 15:03:22 -0700, "mullah" <muldoo...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Flash Bazbo wrote:
> >> On 22 Aug 2006 12:44:28 -0700, "mullah" <muldoo...@excite.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
> >> >
> >> >[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
> >> >and Still Hide It From Us...]
> >> >
> >> >Archived for Scholarly Study
> >>
> >> But, unlike the Holocust, no one is running around denying Stalin's
> >> pogroms occurred.
> >
> >Patently untrue. I've been to several message boards where people
> >outright said the Ukranian holocaust was a lie.
>
> I was unaware of these boards. Just goes to show you idioct knows no
> bounds.
>
>
> >
> >Besides that, look at all the Hollywood movies that feature nazis, and
> >all the history channel specials about the holocaust and nazis, and
> >20/20, Dateline NBC, and 60 Minutes specials about the holocaust. Why
> >isn't the same coverage being given to the Ukranian holocaust?
>
> I have seen biographies of Stalin on the History Channel. They didn't
> gloss over his atrocities, to my recollection.
There's a huge difference in that and the obsession with nazis
Hollywood has. Where's the communist version of schindler's list?
However, there is a
> morbid fascination with Nazis that generates ratings. If the History
> Channel can make more money with Nazis than with Stalinists guess
> which ones will get the coverage.
The only morbid fascination with nazis is by the people in control of
the media. It's not about ratings; the people in charge of the media
are so arrogant these days they feel they can make money no matter what
kind of crap they can put out, as evidenced by the poor state of the
movie industry today. Very few people in the media care about what
people want to see, they only care about what agendas they want to push
on the American people.
>
>
> >> What does being Jewish have to do with the Soviet purges? Why don't
> >> you rant against pagans since some of the high-ranking Nazis who
> >> orchestrated the Holocaust were pagans? Are you not alarmed at the
> >> pagan conspiracy to rule the world?
> >
> >Communism was invented as a way to achieve jewish supremacy.
>
> How come no one decries the Protocols of the Learned Elders of
> Lutherism?
Because the American media isn't controlled by Lutherans, and Lutherans
don't see themselves as the chosen people, nor do they wish to portray
themselves as the world's best victims.
Orson Wells as Citizen_Cain
"mullah" <muldoo...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1156296799.6...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Stalin also cheated at Rubik's Cube. He would pull the colors off all of the
squares and then put them back on in the right order!
Llanzlan Klazmon
news:4cdb2$44ebb508$a66659c0$43...@ALLTEL.NET:
The fiend!
Klazmon.
Llanzlan Klazmon
news:1156292236.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> raven1 wrote:
>
>> Stalin was a Roman Catholic.
>
> Stalin was an atheist, you nitwit. His attended the Jesuit seminary to
> get an education.
Try Russian orthodox not Jesuit.
> His mom wanted him to be a priest but Joe wasn't in
> the least interested.
>
> By the way, the seminary expelled him for being a Communist.
More or less. He got involved with a Georgian group that described
themselves as social democrats. He didn't join the Bolsheviks until these
organisations merged some time later.
Klazmon.
>
>
Michael Gray
wrote:
- Refer: <1156296799.6...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Unmitigated and utter bullshit.
You shouldn't have stopped taking your medication.
T Guy
> Stalin also cheated at Rubik's Cube. He would pull the colors off all of the
> squares and then put them back on in the right order!
(T Guy):
I have seen this historical inaccuracy all over the net on various
messageboards. The truth is that under Stalin, all Rubik's Cubes were
produced in the state Rubik's Cube factory and all the squares were
red.
You must have heard of the famous 'Red Square.'
T G
P. S. My congratulations to the troll responsible for getting this
thread into such diverse places!
Will in New Haven
He was not Russian Orthodox or Russian anything. He was born in a Roman
Catholic family in Georgia. No, not THAT Georgia. There was a Georgian
version of the Orthodox faith but he didn't belong to it. If he had any
religious beliefs after childhood they could probably be summarized as
"kill them all, let God sort them out."
He certainly hated and feared Jews. The fact that you could plug any
group in that sentence and still be accurate was one refreshing thing
about Uncle Koba. He hated everyone, including his fellow Georgians.
Will in New Haven
atlr...@gmail.com
> Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
> [How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR
> and Still Hide It From Us...]
>
> Archived for Scholarly Study
>
> >From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
> By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
> As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show
> trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet,
> the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly
> ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be
> reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
> In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine.
> Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers -
> called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush
> Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
> dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier
> versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants
> into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective
> executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
> When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number,
> OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions.
>
> many people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper
> medium of death - mass starvation.
>
> All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
> Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam
> used the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the
> resulting famine caused one million deaths.)
>
> OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines.
> Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of
> food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and
> sickness.
>
> When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman
> Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the
> Soviet ZHID Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly.
> Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A
> Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the
> slaughter.
>
> During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by
> Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots
> and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>
> The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made
> famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's
> archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven
> million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or
> higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated.
> Millions of victims
>
> Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
> collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
> million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
> Estonia,Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
> the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet
> industrial genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not
> including 20 million war dead.
>
> Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
> The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful
> crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic
> people for both communism and their suffering. As a direct result,
> during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's
> innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians,
>
> While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's
> Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred
> 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed,
> unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of
> silence that continues to this day.
>
> In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
> PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and
> proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not
> see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
> Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
> wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million
> people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New
> York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
>
> Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and
> historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the
> inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>
> Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
> governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
> Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they
> eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who
> Franklin Roosevelt called"Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people
> than Adolf Hitler.
>
> None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever
> brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few
> years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a
> generous state pension.
The people of the Soviet Union perceived Stalin's actions as for the
better good and didn't cry out for justice. That is why there was no
justice for the victims be they jews or gentiles, and yes there were
both. Chairman Mao also committed the same act of removing seeds from
the people and ultimately starving them to death to control an area.
FYI - Stalin was baptised into the Orthodox church and studied the
priesthood for five years at the Orthodox seminary in Tiflis, Georgia.
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9210qq.asp
Will in New Haven
Oddly enough, Wikipedia has him studying at a Jesuit-run seminary.
"He graduated first in his class and at the age of 14 he was awarded a
scholarship to the Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia), a Jesuit
institution (one of his classmates was Krikor Bedros Aghajanian (the
future Grégoire-Pierre Cardinal Agagianian,"
I don't know who is right about this but the problem isn't that I need
information. The problem is that I have been told two different things.
I know that the Jesuits weren't running an Orthodox seminary.
Will in New Haven
atlr...@gmail.com
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/stalin.html
Wiki is very unreliable in that anybody can post to it. Stephen
Colbert made a point of that recently on his t.v. program.
http://spring.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/01/307864-stephen-colbert-causes-chaos-on-wikipedia-gets-blocked-from-site
If you look at Tbilisi, Georgia demographically you will see the vast
majority are Orthodox and a minority only as Roman Catholic, so the
odds from the get-go are against him as Roman Catholic. Reliable
sources confirm this fact. If you go to
http://www.orthodox.net/russiannm/isidore-bishop-and-hieromartyr-of-mikhailov.html
Then do a find on Tiflis you will see that Tiflis did hold an Orthodox
Seminary.
The original Wiki author assumed that there was only one seminary and
that it was Roman Catholic and that since the years attended were the
same as the Cardinal, they must have been classmates. BTW, I amended
the Wiki site.
Ramona
Will in New Haven
atlr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Here is another source citing the Orthodox Church:
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/stalin.html
>
> Wiki is very unreliable in that anybody can post to it. Stephen
> Colbert made a point of that recently on his t.v. program.
> http://spring.newsvine.com/_news/2006/08/01/307864-stephen-colbert-causes-chaos-on-wikipedia-gets-blocked-from-site
>
> If you look at Tbilisi, Georgia demographically you will see the vast
> majority are Orthodox and a minority only as Roman Catholic, so the
> odds from the get-go are against him as Roman Catholic. Reliable
> sources confirm this fact. If you go to
> http://www.orthodox.net/russiannm/isidore-bishop-and-hieromartyr-of-mikhailov.html
> Then do a find on Tiflis you will see that Tiflis did hold an Orthodox
> Seminary.
>
> The original Wiki author assumed that there was only one seminary and
> that it was Roman Catholic and that since the years attended were the
> same as the Cardinal, they must have been classmates. BTW, I amended
> the Wiki site.
>
> Ramona
Well, live and learn. I figured the word "Jesuit" gave it away but the
fact that there were two seminaries makes it clear. Thanks.
Will in New Haven
--
Ahasuerus
> Oddly enough, Wikipedia has him studying at a Jesuit-run seminary. [snip]
I have seen this bizarre claim pop up now and then. As near as I can
tell it can be traced back to a misreading of a quote in an early
biography:
"I became a Marxist thanks so to speak to my social position-my
father was a worker in a shoe-factory and my mother was also a
working-woman-but also because I could hear the murmurs of revolt
among the people who lived at the social level of my parents, finally
on account of the rigorous intolerance and **jesuitical** discipline so
cruelly crushing me in the orthodox Seminary where I passed some
years." (Quoted in Boris Souvarine. _Stalin: A Critical Survey of
Bolshevism_, 1st French edition 1935, p.16 of the 2005 Kessinger
edition or you can find it online --
http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/souvar/works/stalin/ch01.htm)
--
Ahasuerus
Colin Day
> Flash Bazbo wrote:
<snip />
>> How come no one decries the Protocols of the Learned Elders of
>> Lutherism?
>
> Because the American media isn't controlled by Lutherans, and Lutherans
> don't see themselves as the chosen people, nor do they wish to portray
> themselves as the world's best victims.
>
And what evidence do you have that Jews control American media?
Colin Day aa #1500
Toto the Dog
of books, movies and documentaries about it? I don't think he did. Each
new book has more fantastical stories about the Nazis, the truth is the
Nazis didn't kill ANY Jews with gas, a few hundred thousand died of
Typhus, the rest is their imaginations.
Stephen Adams
Yeah, and Mossad brought down the World Trade Center with demolition
charges, right?? Oh yeah, after calling all the Jewish folks and telling
them to stay home that day, right??. They also attacked the Pentagon with
a cruise missile and made that plane disappear, right??
Or not.
-Stephen
--
Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
malchu...@AMgmail.com (remove SPAM to reply)
Joseph T Major
news:1156337103....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> (Orson Wells as Citizen_Cain):
>
>> Stalin also cheated at Rubik's Cube. He would pull the colors off all of
>> the
>> squares and then put them back on in the right order!
>
> (T Guy):
>
> I have seen this historical inaccuracy all over the net on various
> messageboards. The truth is that under Stalin, all Rubik's Cubes were
> produced in the state Rubik's Cube factory and all the squares were
> red.
And they're still being made! You can get them here:
http://thepeoplescube.com/Store.php
Joseph T Major
Ahston Marcial
Will in New Haven
Calling yourself a dog is an insult to the loyalty, honesty and good
nature of every dog on earth. Baldly stating your lies is insulting the
intelligent of UeNet readers, a dificult feat in itself. You make
Holocaust deniers look so stupid that you might well be a plant by
people who hate them. If so, you are doing a good job.
Will in New Haven
--
"My name it is Sam Hall, it is Sam Hall"
ingu...@yahoo.com
Will in New Haven wrote:
all white people for the next 500 years have to be made to feel guilty
about this hoax for the rest of their lives?
Mike Schilling
"Colin Day" <cd...@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Md3Hg.6726$n%.3562@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
Or that Lutherans don't.
Will in New Haven
You don't have to feel guilty about jack shitl, you fucking dufus.You
even say it happened, before you were born. Your denying something
that happened because your feelings get hurt hearing about it? Fucking
toughen UP, you piece of shit. Lots of bad things happen. Do you deny
slavery too? How about WWI in general. Maybe you want to deny Wounded
Knee or the Washita.
There's lots to feel guilty about if you want to feel guilty. If you
don't want to feel guilty, YOU have the keys to that highway. Oh, the
UNFAIRNESS of it all. Poor suffering white people.
Will in New Haven
--
"It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the
constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a
shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law."
-Malcolm X, March 12, 1964
Michelle Malkin
news:1156366924.4...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
birth to a turd that tried to pass itself off (and failed)
as a human being. You're in over your head, troll.
OldNick
I started to check this out. I found a wikipedia article that did not
look good for the Jews...until I read further.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik#.22Jewish_Bolshevism.22
As I read it, the Jews were strong leaders and instigators in the
_Communist Party_..for a while. But as so often happens, other forces
took over, and while it was not Jews who were killed en masse, the
Jewish leaders were some of the first victims of the power takeover.
As there is plenty of invective saying the Jews _were_ responsible and
in the majority, I will post the bit that most interested me
"In the mid-1930's, under the leadership of Genrikh Yagoda (who was
Jewish), the Jewish presence in the secret police briefly became
dominant: of the people surrounding Yagoda, 39% were Jewish and only
30% Russian. Yagoda's secret police oversaw the execution of both
Zinoviev and Kamenev, but fell victim to Stalin's next round of
purges: Yagoda was replaced with ethnic Russian Nikolai Yezhov in
September 1936, arrested and executed in March 1937. Under Yezhov, the
number of Jews fell precipitiously (to just 6 people) while the number
of ethnic Russians among the leadership of the secret police, NKVD
rose to 102 people (67%) and the purges, at Stalin's instigation,
entered their bloodiest period (1937-1938)."
>A couple of interesting excerpts I found at another site.
>
>"The Jews were now free to indulge in their most fervent fantasies of
>mass murder of helpless victims. Christians were dragged from their
>beds, tortured and killed. Some were actually sliced to pieces, bit by
>bit, while others were branded with hot irons, their eyes poked out to
Johnny Bravo
>The only morbid fascination with nazis is by the people in control of
>the media.
Saving Private Ryan had nearly half a billion dollars in ticket sales and
Schindler's List had a third of a billion dollars in worldwide ticket sales.
Obviously someone other than those in control of the media were buying tickets.
>It's not about ratings; the people in charge of the media
>are so arrogant these days they feel they can make money no matter what
>kind of crap they can put out, as evidenced by the poor state of the
>movie industry today.
Movies don't make money if no one goes to see them. Ratings aren't just part
of the equation they are the entirety of it. There is only a limited number of
times you can spend $135 million to make and market a movie and only collect $60
million in ticket sales, ala Miami Vice, before you go bankrupt.
--
Free phone sex line!
1-800-526-2778
DaffyDuck
First of all, you just saying so, doesn't make it so - you may
disagree, but sadly for you, that's the truth. You will need to
corroborate your argument.
Otherwise, I see no difference in your ramblings to all the spoutings
of the same kind of morons claiming that 9/11 never happened, or that
the US gob't did it, or that the Native Americans were never massacred,
or that the Bermuda Triangle is real, etc..
You know, if you feel that the only way to give your arguments any kind
of weight is by creating a multitude of different identities, and
posting pretending you are different people, then you might as well
admit that you have no leg to stand on.
Or, at least, make an effort to create credible alternate identities.
MeShakesHead at your stupidity.
DaffyDuck
> I deny the holocaust yes - I wasn't even born when it happened. Now do
> all white people for the next 500 years have to be made to feel guilty
> about this hoax for the rest of their lives?
I do agree with the whole point of the incessant effort to make people
feel guilty - but that works actually better if the Holocaust was real,
as it was.
Personally, while I fully well accept and acknowledge the reality of
the Holocaust during WWII, I also do not particularly give much of a
shit about it, or give it any more importance than other instances of
genocide, extermination, and mass slaughter atrocities committed by the
Khmer Rouge, by the Turks, by the US Government, by the Japanese or the
Chinese, or any of a multitude of others...
It's history. We should acknowledge it. We should endeavor to not
repeat it. We should not deny it.
Then again, they who deny history will be doomed to see it repeated on
themselves -- considering who we are dealing with, maybe not such a bad
idea.
Mike Schilling
>
> Movies don't make money if no one goes to see them. Ratings aren't
> just part of the equation they are the entirety of it. There is only
> a limited number of times you can spend $135 million to make and
> market a movie and only collect $60 million in ticket sales, ala
> Miami Vice, before you go bankrupt.
Factor in the international market and DVD sales, and they may not have
taken as big a bath as you think.
Gene Ward Smith
DaffyDuck wrote:
> Otherwise, I see no difference in your ramblings to all the spoutings
> of the same kind of morons claiming that 9/11 never happened, or that
> the US gob't did it, or that the Native Americans were never massacred,
> or that the Bermuda Triangle is real, etc..
Are you under the impression there was a sort of Native American
Holocaust?
Mike Schilling
He said "massacre", and that certainly happened at the retail level. Wonded
Knee, for instance.
Wendel Fendel
>
>
> He said "massacre", and that certainly happened at the retail level. Wonded
> Knee, for instance.
Also disease and starvation. The killing of the buffalo herds made life
very tough for the plains tribes.
Bob Kolker
Will in New Haven
Wendel Fendel wrote:
> Mike Schilling wrote:
> >
> >
> > He said "massacre", and that certainly happened at the retail level. Wonded
> > Knee, for instance.
And the Washita and hundreds of other examples.
>
> Also disease and starvation. The killing of the buffalo herds made life
> very tough for the plains tribes.
>
> Bob Kolker
The Erie were completely exterminated. Of course, we don't hear about
it much because the doers were other Native Americans, but it happened.
Wendel Fendel
>
> it much because the doers were other Native Americans, but it happened.
The Yahi (a pacific northwest tribe) was literally done to the death by
white folks. It was outright slaughter. Only one of the tribe survive,
Ishi. He later died of t.b.
The Tasmanians were also slaughtered by white folks virtually to extinction.
Bob Kolker