Re: Jason Accepts a "Discussion" in Place of Creationist Coward Andrew-a-Blank.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-2370A2...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-310554...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-6CD7DF...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> <Jason-06111...@66-53-210-10.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-421649...@news.giganews.com>,
> Jeanne
> > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-D47B0E...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > Jeanne
> > > > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <Jason-06111...@66-53-211-207.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-03D9F1...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > Jeanne
> > > > > > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-98DAD6...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > > > Jeanne
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-0FA1F5...@news.giganews.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > Jeanne
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> <b439ab75-6feb-490a...@g14g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 7:00=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Jason)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-EF67FB.13334905112...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeanne
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He can easily do both. In fact, he
> has been
> > > > > > > doing both.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are there still long lines of cars at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stations?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you so obsessed about this?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PDW
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I had to deal with that problem when
> > > nutcase
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > president
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so I know what it is like to be in a long
> line of
> > > > > cars at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > station.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you calling Carter a nutcase?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because he is a nutcase.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY is he a nutcase? Be very specific.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He claimed that he was attacked by a rabbitt. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > googled
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > subject
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > found this:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I remember that. It was true.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You got anything worthwhile?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It was very funny. I seen a picture of the attack in a
> > > magazine.
> > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > caused
> > > > > > > > > > > me to LOL for several minutes. Why does he hate bunny
> > > > > > > > > > > rabbitts?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://www.andersonfreepress.net/anderson-forums/anderson-news-forum/18407
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Where did he say he hated bunny rabbits?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The picture clearly showed that President Carter was trying
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > kill
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > bunny rabbitt with his canoe paddle. You may be able to
> find that
> > > > > picture
> > > > > > > > > at a website. I saw the picture in a news magazine. The
> > > picture made
> > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > LOL for several minutes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You claim Pres. Carter hates bunny rabbits. Where did he ever
> > > say that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good point. He never said he hated bunny rabbitts. He just wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > murder
> > > > > > > any bunny rabitt that swimms close to his canoe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where did he say that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Several secret service agents were following President Carter's
> > > > > canoe.
> > > > > They had a camera with them. A little bunny rabbitt was swimming
> > > > > towards
> > > > > Carter's canoe. President Carter observed the bunny swimming toward
> > > > > his
> > > > > canoe. Perhaps he thought it had rabies which is a terrible disease.
> > > > > President Carter used his canoe paddle to try to murder the bunnie
> > > > > rabbitt. The secret service agents or perhaps news reporters took a
> > > > > picture of President Carter as he tried to hit the bunnie rabbitt
> with hs
> > > > > canoe paddle:
> > > >
> > > > How does that twaddle answer my question?
> > > >
> > > > Where did Pres. Carter say he wants to murder all bunnies?
> > > >
> > > > And you still have to come up with a reason you consider Carter a
> > > > nutcase.
> > >
> > > LOL--I never stated that President Carter has a goal to muder all
> > > bunnies.
> > > His goal was to only murder the bunnie that wss trying to attack him.
> > > Perhaps he was concerned that the bunnie had rabies.
> > >
> > > Any president that tries to murder a bunnie rabbitt is a nutcase.
> >
> > Then Carter ISN'T a nutcase, because it was clearly self-defense.
> >
> > So that reason is proven nonsense.
> >
> > Do you have any VALID reasons for calling Carter a nutcase?
>
> That's all I have--I proved to you that President Carter tried to murder a
> little bunnie rabbit.

No, you didn't. The only thing you "proved" is that he protected himself
against a probably rabid animal.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-8BDFB5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>

> > In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >

> > > > In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <dfritzin-F0A88C...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > > > > Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> In article
> > > > > >> <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > >> >

<dfritzin-10B069...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > > > >> > Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > In article
> > > > > >> > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > In article

<XnsA102A12BADE7E...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > [snip]
> > > > > >> > > > > You have never met this woman, you know nothing
> > > > > >> > > > > about her credibility, and yet you believe EVERYTHING
> > > > > >> > > > > she has to say.
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > Why?
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > She had no reason to lie.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > No one is accusing her of lying. She honestly believes
what she
> > > > > >> > > described. However, believing something does not mean
that it is
> > > > > >> > > correct. For example, you believe many, many things that have
> > > > > >> > > been proven to be factually incorrect.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > BTW, you have stopped snipping posts.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Sorry about that--I keep forgetting.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > You made some good points. I agree with her. The main reason--she
> > > > > >> > knows more about what happened to her more than anyone else.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> No, Jason, I am afraid you believe her because you want to. She is
> > > > > >> saying things you want to hear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is correct. However, while in college I had to believe things
> > > > > > that I did not enjoy hearing in order to pass the various courses.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What things were those?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The
professor was
> > > > an atheist.
> > >
> > > How do you know that?
> > >
> > >
> > > > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> > > > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> > > > class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer
> > > > exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college
students
> > > > that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn
revisionist
> > > > history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> > > > for that.
> > >
> > > You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass the
> > > course?
> >
> > The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > scum.
>
> Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?

In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
professor expected me to answer the questions.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-90704F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >

> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-C59CCB...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >

> > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-F80304...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article

> <Jason-06111...@66-53-210-10.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-43AC22...@news.giganews.com>,

> Jeanne
> > > > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <XnsA1034F59978CC...@216.196.121.131>,
> > > > > > > > > Mitchell
> > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > >
> news:dfritzin-E0673B...@news.eternal-september.org:

> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > >
> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> In article

> > > > > <hlwdjsd2-8B22A5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > > > > > > > > >> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Because Obama has the power needed to get the closed
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > down
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > stations open for business by providing them with
> > > > > generators and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > gasoline.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > No, he doesn't.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, he does.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Explain what he could be doing to improve the situation.
> > > > > > > > > > > Be
> > > > > specific.
> > > > > > > > > > > If you can't, admit that he is doing all he could.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > BTW, you've stopped snipping again.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from
> > > > > > > > > > blasting federal disaster relief as "wasteful interference"
> > > > > > > > > > to claim the government isn't doing enough to provide
> > > > > > > > > > disaster
> > > > > > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Liberal reporters done the same thing when Bush2 was
> > > > > > > > > president.
> > > > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > > blamed Bush2 for the disaster in New Orleans.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because he left thousands of people to die.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On the other hand, they are NOT blaming Obama for the Sandy
> > > disaster.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Because he's actually done his job.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many people in Queens, NY became homeless as a result of Sandy.
> > > > > > > Why
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > they still homeless?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because Obama was so busy giving campaign speeches that he failed to
> > > > > do
> > > > > anything about those homeless people in Queens, NY.
> > > >
> > > > He cannot do anything until the major or governor asks for help.
> > > >
> > > > So why don't you go and blame Bloomberg.
> > >
> > > That's a valid point. I wish someone would help them.
> >
> > How much have you contributed to help the efforts?
>
> That's private.

In other words, nothing.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-940F6B...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article

> > > <6aeff9f5-46f3-448e...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
> > > M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Nov 6, 4:10=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-43AC22.13014406112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-0611121152160...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <XnsA1034F59978CCnomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitche=
> > > > ll
> > > > > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > >news:dfritzin-E0673B...@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <Jason-0511122106330...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> In article
> <hlwdjsd2-8B22A5.20353805112...@news.giganews.com>, J=
> > > > eanne
> > > > > > > > >> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > > > > >> > <Jason-0511122012420...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com
> > > > > > > > >> > >,

> > > > > > > > >> > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > >> > > Because Obama has the power needed to get the closed

> down ga=

> > > > s
> > > > > > > > >> > > stations open for business by providing them with

> generators=

> > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> > > gasoline.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > No, he doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Yes, he does.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Explain what he could be doing to improve the situation.

> Be speci=

> > > > fic.
> > > > > > > > > If you can't, admit that he is doing all he could.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > BTW, you've stopped snipping again.
> > > > >

> > > > > > > > =A0 =A0 Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from

> > > > > > > > blasting federal disaster relief as "wasteful interference"
> > > > > > > > to claim the government isn't doing enough to provide disaster
> > > > > > > > relief.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Liberal reporters done the same thing when Bush2 was president.
> > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > blamed Bush2 for the disaster in New Orleans.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because he left thousands of people to die.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand, they are NOT blaming Obama for the Sandy
> disaster.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Because he's actually done his job.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many people in Queens, NY became homeless as a result of Sandy. Why
> > > > > are
> > > > > they still homeless?
> > > >

> > > > Why do you think Obama is responcible for that?
> > >
> > > In much the same way Bush2 was responsible for the homeless people in New
> > > Orleans.
> >
> > One has nothing to do with the other.
> >
> > If you want to be seen as honest, you need to look at New Orleans a week
> > after Katrina, and NJ/NY a week after Sandy.
> >
> > I want to see a list of where things were in both places, compared and
> > contrasted.
>
> If nothing is done--two weeks from now--we will still have lots of
> homeless people in places like Queens, N.Y. that become homeless as a
> direct result of Hurricane Sandy. Hopefully, trash trucks in New York will
> haul away the trash that is on the streets in places like Queens.

Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[Jason]

In article <Crkms.19$5R...@fe06.iad>, Caranx latus <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/6/2012 2:36 PM, Jason wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-F84666...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> [snip]

> >>> I also saw a picture in the newspaper yesterday of lots of houses that
> >>> were partly under water. I am also concerned about the families that once
> >>> lived in those homes.
> >>
> >> Do you expect Obama to rebuild their houses for them?
> >
> > If I was Obama, I would buy that property with government money and make
> > it illegal for anyone to ever build houses on that government owned
> > property. They should have done the same thing in New Orleans. It's stupid
> > to build houses within a mile of the ocean unless they are on cliffs. It's
> > also stupid to build houses or businesses below sea level or within a mile
> > of the Mississippi River. The federal gov't should buy that land and make
> > it illegal for anyone to build houses or businesses on that property.
>
> The problem in N'O'leans isn't that it was too close to the ocean, but
> rather that parts of it were below sea level. Stupid bloody place to
> build a city if you ask me. Sheer idiocy to rebuild it.
>
> It's also stupid to set arbitrary limits like "a mile" as you just did,
> Jason. The flood plain for the Mississippi would be rather larger than
> that in places.
>
> And... you want the government to buy huge swaths of property even
> though there's not enough money to fund health care for everyone? Are
> you absolutely insane? Oh wait... don't answer that.

It would not be the same amount in every area. The end goal would be the
areas that were flooded during the last several floods. Those are the
areas that should be purchased by the federal gov't and made into wet
lands.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <G8mdnSx-me5RJgTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason wrote:
>>
>> > When you die, your spirit will go to heaven or hell.
>>
>> What is a spirit?
>
> Your spirit body lives inside of your physical body while you are
> alive. When you die, your spirit body will go to heaven or go to hell.
> The choice is up to you--see John 3: 15-16.
>
> Doctor Neal said she was in her spirit body when she saw the men
> performing CPR on her physical body. She said her spirit body entered
> back into her physical body and she was revived and fully recovered in
> a hospital room.


"spirit body"?

Funny your Bible doesn't mention that.

Perhaps it doesn't exist?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-2CE00E...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > If your hero is doing such a great job, why is that happening in
>> > Queens, NY?
>>
>> What does Elizabeth Warren have to do with the Queens?
>
> OK--Why has Obama not helped out the homeless people in Queens?


What more do you want him to do?

[Jason]

In article <4ukms.4392$KD4....@fe08.iad>, Caranx latus
<aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/6/2012 3:54 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <dfritzin-F84666...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [snip]
> >>>> I also saw a picture in the newspaper yesterday of lots of houses that
> >>>> were partly under water. I am also concerned about the families that once
> >>>> lived in those homes.
> >>>
> >>> Do you expect Obama to rebuild their houses for them?
> >>
> >> If I was Obama, I would buy that property with government money and make
> >> it illegal for anyone to ever build houses on that government owned
> >> property. They should have done the same thing in New Orleans. It's stupid
> >> to build houses within a mile of the ocean unless they are on cliffs. It's
> >> also stupid to build houses or businesses below sea level or within a mile
> >> of the Mississippi River. The federal gov't should buy that land and make
> >> it illegal for anyone to build houses or businesses on that property.
> >

> > And here I thought you wanted to eliminate the debt.
>
> Apparently not. Jason apparently likes to sit on both sides of every fence.

It would be good investment in the long run. For example, houses located
next to the Mississippi River have been replaced dozens of times. If that
land was purchased and made into wet lands--the houses would never again
have to be replaced everytime the Mississippii River flooded.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-245F65...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <ofjms.92413$773....@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus
> > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-17EB80...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > >>>>> Obama does not care about the long lines at gas stations. He is
> > > >>>>> totally
> > > >>>>> focused on winning the election.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Did you read what I wrote above? Tell us what more Obama could have
> > > >>>> done, that he hasn't already done. Do you want him to drive a tanker
> > > >>>> truck to one of the gas stations? What do you think he could have
> > > >>>> done?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Remember, NJ Republican governor Chris Christie has praised Obama's
> > > >>>> actions during the aftermath of Sandy, even though he is a loyal
> > > >>>> Republican who is still going to vote for Romney. Are you accusing
> > > >>>> Christie of being a liar?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No--Christie was smart for getting what he needed from Obama.
> > > >>
> > > >> Evasion noted and rejected. Respond to my points, or admit Obama is
> > > >> doing the best that can be done!
> > > >
> > > > Obama could have made some phone calls to order that gasoline and
> > > > generators be delivered to closed down gas stations.
> > >
> > > How do you know that he didn't?
> >
> > Because I have still seen long lines at many open gas stations.
>
> How many gas stations?
>
> How many gas stations DON'T have lines.
>
> Let's see some numbers. Fox deceitfully showing only those gas stations
> with lines without showing any of them without lines is not a way to
> judge what's happening.

I don't have access to that kind of data.

[Jeanne Douglas]

Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.

Why do you say you had to BELIEVE that theory to pass the course?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-8042D8...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >

> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-2CE00E...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >

> > > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-A84B3C...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article

> <Jason-06111...@66-53-210-10.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > <dfritzin-A17DEC...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <dfritzin-50DA58...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > <fb07f547-5d92-4b26...@o30g2000vbu.googlegroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I blame the long lines of cars at gas stations on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hurricane Sandy caused the damage to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > infrastructure.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The people in the gas queues are panic buying.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How are either of those things Obama's fault?

> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Because Obama has the power needed to get the closed

> down gas
> > > > > > > > > > > stations
> > > > > > > > > > > open for business by providing them with generators and
> > > gasoline.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What exactly do you expect him to do. I have asked you this
> > > > > before, and
> > > > > > > > > > you have avoided my question. Do you expect him to start
> > > driving a
> > > > > > > > > > tanker truck?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As has been explained to you before, this type of power
> failure
> > > > > is very
> > > > > > > > > > difficult to deal with, and repairs take a very long time.
> > > In many
> > > > > > > > > > cases, trees have to be removed and power lines repaired so
> > > > > power goes
> > > > > > > > > > to individual houses or blocks of houses. Same goes for gas
> > > > > > > > > > stations,
> > > > > > > > > > which can't pump gas if they either don't have the gas to
> > > > > > > > > > pump
> > > > > or don't
> > > > > > > > > > have electricity to pump it. I have seen both situations in
> > > > > > > > > > NJ
> > > > > over the
> > > > > > > > > > last week.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, if you can't come up with a rational list of things
> > > > > > > > > > Obama
> > > > > could be
> > > > > > > > > > doing to improve the gasoline situation in NY, NJ, and CT,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > shut up, as you are only demonstrating your hatred, yet
> > > again. God
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > not be impressed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't know--I do know that if he wanted to that he could
> order
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > military base such as the Marines to check their warehouses
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > unused
> > > > > > > > > large generators and deliver them--or have the National
> > > > > > > > > Guard--deliver
> > > > > > > > > them to local gas stations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The military has flown in power crews and "cherry pickers"
> from all
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > the country, including California. The military supplied
> > > > > > > > gasoline
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > people in Manhattan, free of charge. There are thousands of gas
> > > > > > > > stations
> > > > > > > > in the afflicted areas, many of which are now open. Your
> ridiculous
> > > > > > > > "suggestions" just demonstrate your lack of knowledge and your
> > > > > > > > hatred
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > our president.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is great news. I said saw a story on Fox News. They still
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > lots
> > > > > > > of people that recently became homeless as a result of Sandy.
> > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > once
> > > > > > > had housing in Queens, NY. The street that was shown was loaded
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > garbage. They interviewed several homeless people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, So?

> > > > >
> > > > > If your hero is doing such a great job, why is that happening in
> Queens,
> > > > > NY?
> > > >
> > > > What does Elizabeth Warren have to do with the Queens?
> > >
> > > OK--Why has Obama not helped out the homeless people in Queens?
> >

> > As soon as you tell me why you think it's Obama's responsibility.
>
> Because he is president.

So what?

It's HIS responsibility to provide resources to governors and mayors. He
has no responsibility for direct action.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article

> <dfritzin-8F090A...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > I don't believe that God causes people to get diseases. There may
>> > be some exceptions but it rarely happens.
>>
>> You didn't answer my question. Why not?
>> >
>> > I know that heart disease runs in my family. My sister had a heart
>> > attack and died at the age of 62. I am now 62 and have the same
>> > type of heart disorder that she had before she died. Most of my
>> > blood relatives have died at young ages due to heart disease.
>
> If God didn't mean for people to suffer from these diseases, why does
> he let them do so.
>
> It's complicated. It's related to the fall of Adam. As they used to
> say--In Adam's Fall, Fell we all.
>
> After Adam's Fall, sickness and disease came into the world


How did diseases "come into the world" if
God did not create them?

[Caranx latus]

On 11/6/2012 2:32 PM, Jason wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-488624...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hlwdjsd2-B1C274...@news.giganews.com>,

>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article

>>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>

>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-C637D4...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>>>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article

>>>>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-A1A136...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>>>>>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article

>>>>>>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-160.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>>>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsA102A3219623E...@216.196.121.131>,
>>>>>>>> Mitchell

>>>>>>>> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>>>>>>>>>

> news:Jason-05111...@67-150-171-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>> <dfritzin-85D70F...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>> Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-171-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>>>>>>>>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article

>>>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-E5C36A...@news.giganews.com>,

>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> <Jason-04111...@66-53-213-199.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>> <3aeb1621-ac2b-4cc4...@r7g2000vbo.googlegroups.c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m>, Devils

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2:30=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>> <5f53df69-2c43-436b-a345-63deccf5e...@e6g2000vbw.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Devil=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That may be so, but you were the one that
> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragged
>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into it when it wasn't necessary to do so in
>>>> relation to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you were actually asked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK--I mentioned politics in my response in
> much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that
>>>>>>>>>>>> liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reporters made politics an issue in the Katrina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hurricane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news stories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reporters had a reason for raising the
> political issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was relevant at the time. You had no need to raise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your post, because the poster asked you about YOUR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings about what had happened in the Eastern
> states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result of hurricane Sandy. That poster didn't
> ask for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the political issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a valid point of view. I only mentioned
> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>> because I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was very upset about the fact that dozens or
> hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stations were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closed down because they did not have any gasoline or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any electrical power. If I was the governor
> of one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those states or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the president, I would have done everything in my
> power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gasoline stations had generators and gasoline. I saw

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of cars at

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the open gasoline stations and it reminded me of
> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in long lines at gasoline stations when a nutcase
> called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was president.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you think there are more important things they need
>>>> to do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like rescuing people?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as Obama is concerned, the most important
> thing that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to do is to go to various cities and give campaign
>>>> speeches.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is more important to Obama?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A. Winning the election
>>>>>>>>>>>> B. The long lines of cars at gasoline stations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Choose A or B
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion noted and rejected.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the good of the US, the choice is obviously A, as a
> Romney
>>>>>>>>>>> presidency will surely be a disaster that will make the Bush
>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>> look wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you expect Obama to do? Personally carry gas cans to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of gas stations that don't have power or gasoline?
>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> you think that he should be pumping the gas at a
> station in NJ
>>>>>>>>>>> (NJ
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> the only state, as far as I know, where pumping your own gas
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> illegal)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jason, you only make yourself look foolish and small
> with your
>>>>>>>>>>> hatred
>>>>>>>>>>> of Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You get a score of A since you picked the correct answer.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama does not care about the long lines at gas stations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Tell us what a president can do about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arrange for huge generators to be delivered to gas stations
> closed
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> due to the lack of elect. power and arrange for gasoline to be
>>>>>>>> delivered
>>>>>>>> to gas stations closed down since they don't have any gasoline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is PRECISELY what Obama has done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So much for that stupid criticism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are there still long lines at the gas stations that are open of
>>>> business?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's only been a week since the hurricane and repair takes time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember where New Orleans was a week after Katrina? There were
>>>>> thousands of people on the verge of death, abandoned in the convention
>>>>> center and SuperDome.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you're complaining about gas lines. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know. Because that's the ONLY think you can complain about in this
>>>>> catastrophe. Something completely trivial.

>>>>
>>>> I also saw a picture in the newspaper yesterday of lots of houses that
>>>> were partly under water. I am also concerned about the families that once
>>>> lived in those homes.
>>>

>>> I don't believe you.
>>
>> Actually, there is some truth to what Jason said (I don't believe I
>> actually said that!). There are houses partially under water along the
>> Jersey shore, and on parts of Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Long Island.
>> Some houses were literally blown out to sea, while others were
>> destroyed. Obviously, the repairs will take months to years, and some
>> areas of the Jersey Shore may never be the same. However, that is not
>> anyone's fault, except for the people who build houses in stupid places.
>
> They do the same thing on beaches in California. Mary and I took a walk on
> a local beach and saw hundreds of million dollar homes less than 200 feet
> from the ocean. If a tidal wave came in from the ocean--those homes would
> be totally destroyed.

I lived briefly in San Diego a number of years ago. Parts of it are
built on thick layers of sand. Every so often, houses picturesquely
perched on the edge of a mesa will just as picturesquely tumble into a
ravine. Or, if fate has it's way, they'll tumble into a new sink hole.
Living on a cliff by the sea isn't a good strategy either.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-235E5B...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus <aug....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3....@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > >>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6...@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > >>> <aug....@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > >>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-892D25...@news.giganews.com>,
Jeanne
> > > >>>>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> <snip>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> But if she were actually dead, she COULD NOT HAVE BEEN REVIVED.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Why are you unable to understand such a simple and basic idea?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Because I believe DOCTOR Neal knows far more about what happened
> > during
> > > >>>>>>> that incident than you know and that is why I agree with her.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> She could actually see the men from above performing CPR on her
> > > > dead body.
> > > >>>>>>> She said that she entered back into her dead body.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If she was dead, SHE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN REVIVED. If she was dead,
> > > >>>>>> she
> > > >>>>>> could not have seen CPR being performed on her body.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Why are you unable to understand this?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Yes, she could. Inside everyone there is a spirit body.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This is simply your unfounded belief, Jason. You believe it because
> > > >>>> you
> > > >>>> want to believe it, not because it's true.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> <snip>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> And millions of people believe it--even non-Christians.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I enjoyed Ghose Whisperer. Those people that produced and directed
> > > >>> those
> > > >>> episodes clearly believed in spirits and souls. Even the fortune
> > > >>> tellers
> > > >>> that are usually not Christians discuss souls and spirits.
> > > >>
> > > >> None of this changes addresses what I said.
> > > >
> > > > When you die, your spirit will go to heaven or hell. Even if you don't
> > > > believe you have a spirit body inside your physical body--it will still
> > > > happen.
> > >
> > > When you die, you will be dead. Even if you believe you have a spirit
> > > body inside your physical body--it will still happen.
> > >
> > > I can counter assertion with assertion as well as anyone can. Let me
> > > know when you've got something better.
> > >
> > > P.S. I wouldn't place heavy bets on whether the producers of Ghost
> > > Whisperer actually believe what you think they believe. It's an
> > > inexpensive program to make and it panders to a substantial number of
> > > believers in woo. I would bet instead that they make it because it's
> > > profitable.
> >
> > You will find out when you die that your spirit body will end up in heaven
> > or in hell. The choice is up to you--see John 3: 15-16.
>
> Which explicitly states that ONLY believers will have eternal life.
>
> So we're all safe.

Romans 10:9--do you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the
dead? It's a requirement to believe that in order to be saved.

Is your answer yes or no?

[linuxgal]

Jason wrote:
> In article <G8mdnSx-me5RJgTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason wrote:
>>

>>> When you die, your spirit will go to heaven or hell.

>> What is a spirit?
>
> Your spirit body lives inside of your physical body while you are alive.

I will supply the correct answer. The spirit is breath. The same root
word is found in respiration. Long ago it was noted that people who are
alive breathe, and people who died exhaled one final time and no longer
breathed. Now we know that the brain stem, when it is alive, sends
signals to the diaphragm to contract and relax, thus filling and
emptying the lungs. When the brain dies, this process no longer occurs.
Personal identity is a phenomenon arising from memories stored in the
brain. When the brain dies, this identity quickly fades. The personal
identity is not carried out of the body in the form of carbon dioxide.

--
Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Resolute On Squeezing Out Fair Trade

[Caranx latus]

On 11/6/2012 10:31 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

<snip>

>>>> The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
>>>> pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
>>>> scum.
>>>
>>> Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?
>>
>> In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
>> professor expected me to answer the questions.
>
> Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.
>
> Why do you say you had to BELIEVE that theory to pass the course?

Jason apparently is unable to distinguish any difference between the
verbs 'to know' and 'to believe'. Much is thereby explained.

[Caranx latus]

On 11/6/2012 10:26 PM, Jason wrote:
> In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:

<snip>

>>>>> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The

>>>>> professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the

>>>>> primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scum
>>>>> theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
>>>>> about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
>>>>> stupid theory.
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> What was so stupid about that theory?
>>>
>>> There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial pond
>>> ever existed.
>>
>>
>> As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding
>> YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
>>
>> Really?
>
> We base our beliefs on faith.

You'd have to, wouldn't you? You can't base them on facts.

[Jeanne Douglas]

Then why are you making accusations when you have no idea what the facts
are?

[Jeanne Douglas]

It's nonsense, so of course my answer is no.

And that means I'm safe.

[Caranx latus]

As soon as you can put a cogent argument together for the existence of
God, Heaven, Hell and souls, I'll start paying attention. Until then,
it's no good quoting scripture at me.

[Caranx latus]

On 11/6/2012 10:25 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

<snip>

>>>>>> Because Obama was so busy giving campaign speeches that he failed to
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> anything about those homeless people in Queens, NY.
>>>>>
>>>>> He cannot do anything until the major or governor asks for help.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why don't you go and blame Bloomberg.
>>>>
>>>> That's a valid point. I wish someone would help them.
>>>
>>> How much have you contributed to help the efforts?
>>
>> That's private.
>
> In other words, nothing.

Correct. He said that he was *thinking* about contributing some money,
but hasn't done anything yet. I am certain that New Yorkers and New
Joisians will be grateful for the depth of Jason's 'concern'.

[Jason]

In article <8Lkms.126045$GG4....@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus

I knew that I was only telling the professor the answers that he wanted to
read on my tests and exams. I was only trying to get a A grade in that
class and I got an A grade in that class. Lots of Christians have to do
that do pass their Biology 101 classes and history classes.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-D656C3...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Are you saying that you don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead?

If you answer is NO--it means you are NOT saved.

Re-read Romans 10:9

[Jason]

In article <MXkms.10622$mP4....@fe10.iad>, Caranx latus

If you end up spending your eternity in hell, it will be your own fault
since you have now been warned about the dangers of hell fire.

A better option would be to do what it says to do in John 3: 15-16 and
Romans 10: 9. That means you could spend your eternity in heaven instead
of in hell.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-DDB740...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

It's based on seeing lines of cars outside of open gas stations.

Congratulations, it appears that your hero Obama won re-election. However,
it also appears that the republicans will maintain control over the house
of representatives.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Since I don't believe your god even exists, nor am I convinced that this
Jesus person ever existed, how could I possible believe such nonsense?

> If you answer is NO--it means you are NOT saved.

Nothing to be saved from.

> Re-read Romans 10:9

Why? Why would reading it change my mind?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[Jason]

In article <XLkms.126046$GG4.1...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus

And many of your beliefs about abiogenesis also appear to me to be based
on faith.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-10E94F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I played the role of someone who believed the theory but inside my heart I
knew that God created life on this earth.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 7, 4:46 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <8Lkms.126045$GG4.21...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/6/2012 10:31 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> > > In article <Jason-0611121936170...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >   Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > >>>> The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > >>>> pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > >>>> scum.
>
> > >>> Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?
>
> > >> In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
> > >> professor expected me to answer the questions.
>
> > > Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.
>
> > > Why do you say you had to BELIEVE that theory to pass the course?
>
> > Jason apparently is unable to distinguish any difference between the
> > verbs 'to know' and 'to believe'. Much is thereby explained.
>
> I knew that I was only telling the professor the answers that he wanted to
> read on my tests and exams. I was only trying to get a A grade in that
> class and I got an A grade in that class. Lots of Christians have to do
> that do pass their Biology 101 classes and history classes.

So all you did was parrot the answers you knew were needed.

Parroting doesn't require you to believe what you are saying or
writing.

So why do you say you had to believe?

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 7, 3:14 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> >news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article <XnsA103B92E698Enomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

> > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > >>news:Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> > In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

> > >> > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > >> >>news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> >> > In article
> > >> >> > <dfritzin-F0A88C.15202006112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >> >> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> In article
> > >> >> >> <Jason-0611121159470...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >> >> >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > In article

> > >> >> >> > <dfritzin-10B069.07113906112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >> >> >> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > In article
> > >> >> >> > > <Jason-0511122029300...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>

> > >> >> >> > > ,
> > >> >> >> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > > In article

> > >> >> >> > > > <XnsA102A12BADE7Enomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

> > >> >> >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> > > [snip]
> > >> >> >> > > > >     You have never met this woman, you know nothing
> > >> >> >> > > > > about her credibility, and yet you believe EVERYTHING
> > >> >> >> > > > > she has to say.
>
> > >> >> >> > > > >     Why?
>
> > >> >> >> > > > She had no reason to lie.
>
> > >> >> >> > > No one is accusing her of lying. She honestly believes what
> > >> >> >> > > she described. However, believing something does not mean
> > >> >> >> > > that it is correct. For example, you believe many, many
> > >> >> >> > > things that have been proven to be factually incorrect.
>
> > >> >> >> > > BTW, you have stopped snipping posts.
>
> > >> >> >> > Sorry about that--I keep forgetting.
>
> > >> >> >> > You made some good points. I agree with her. The main
> > >> >> >> > reason--she knows more about what happened to her more than
> > >> >> >> > anyone else.
>
> > >> >> >> No, Jason, I am afraid you believe her because you want to. She
> > >> >> >> is saying things you want to hear.
>
> > >> >> > That is correct. However, while in college I had to believe
> > >> >> > things that I did not enjoy hearing in order to pass the various
> > >> >> > courses.
>
> > >> >>       What things were those?
>

> > >> > One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The
> > >> > professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the
> > >> > primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scum
> > >> > theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
> > >> > about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
> > >> > stupid theory.
>
> > >>      What was so stupid about that theory?
>
> > > There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial pond
> > > ever existed.
>
> >     As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding
> > YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
>
> >     Really?
>
> We base our beliefs on faith.

You know in science when a hypothesis or theory is shown to be in
error it is either modified or discarded. There are a number of
hypotheses as to where life originated and scientists are working on
them to see which is most likely to fit the available evidence. The
concept you were taught wasn't a theory but a hypothesis, and one that
was discarded some time ago.

But on the other had religious faith requires no evidence, no testing
to confirm its truth, people will argue over how a particular verse or
chapter should be interpreted, this is what leads to the numerous
schisms and conflicts in a religion. Look at the thousands of
denominations within Christianity, all of them born out of
disagreements over interpretation.

[Devils Advocaat]

> existed. It was based on a guess--not evidence or proof. They no longer
> teach that theory according to at least one poster.

It wasn't a theory, it was a hypothesis. There's a significant
difference between the two concepts.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 7, 2:47 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9.16074006112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-0611121528350...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > How do you know that?
>

> > > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> > > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> > > class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer

> > > exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college students
> > > that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn revisionist
> > > history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> > > for that.
>
> > You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass the
> > course?
>

> The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> scum.

He wasn't lying, he was telling you the current hypothesis of the day.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

None of us has ANY beliefs on abiogenesis.

[Jeanne Douglas]

Then why did you say you HAD TO believe that theory to pass the course?

Stop deflecting and answer the question. Or admit that you cannot.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 6, 11:17 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-F0A88C.15202006112...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> In article

> > >> <Jason-0611121159470...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article

> > >> > <dfritzin-10B069.07113906112...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > In article

> > >> > > <Jason-0511122029300...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In article <XnsA102A12BADE7Enomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

> > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > [snip]
> > >> > > > >     You have never met this woman, you know nothing
> > >> > > > > about her credibility, and yet you believe EVERYTHING
> > >> > > > > she has to say.
>
> > >> > > > >     Why?
>
> > >> > > > She had no reason to lie.
>
> > >> > > No one is accusing her of lying. She honestly believes what she
> > >> > > described. However, believing something does not mean that it is
> > >> > > correct. For example, you believe many, many things that have
> > >> > > been proven to be factually incorrect.
>
> > >> > > BTW, you have stopped snipping posts.
>
> > >> > Sorry about that--I keep forgetting.
>
> > >> > You made some good points. I agree with her. The main reason--she
> > >> > knows more about what happened to her more than anyone else.
>
> > >> No, Jason, I am afraid you believe her because you want to. She is
> > >> saying things you want to hear.
>
> > > That is correct. However, while in college I had to believe things
> > > that I did not enjoy hearing in order to pass the various courses.
>
> >       What things were those?
>

> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The professor was
> an atheist. He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer

> exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college students
> that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn revisionist
> history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> for that.

Do you know for sure that he was an atheist?

Even if he was that would have no bearing on what he taught you.

He was teaching what was required to be taught.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

So what? You watch a tv channel that will show something that makes the
President look good and anything that will make him look bad.

So, I repeat, why are you making accusations when you have no idea what
the facts are?

> Congratulations, it appears that your hero Obama won re-election.

When have I EVER called Obama my hero?

> However,
> it also appears that the republicans will maintain control over the house
> of representatives.

If they don't stop obstructing, 2014 is gonna be a bloodbath that'll
make 2010 look like a picnic.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 6, 9:16 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <0fd377a3-1c06-42da-b154-016f92e88...@10g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>, Devils
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Nov 6, 8:02=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <10eb660f-33e0-4e4c-b55c-b0b0192fa...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> > s
>
> > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Jason, this negative attitude of yours is more damaging to your health
> > > > and welfare than any of your health issues. You think your god
> > > > wouldn't put people through misery and suffering to test them? What
> > > > about Job? Look at what your god put him through. Did he give up? No,
> > > > he came through it all still praising your god. Yet here you are all
> > > > too ready to put yourself into someone's hands in order to end your
> > > > life. What gives? =A0You oppose abortion and here you are advocating
> > > > termination for people like yourself who simply want to quit. You know
> > > > people abuse abortion, using it as an after the act contraceptive
> > > > method. What would stop people from abusing euthanasia? What if the
> > > > government decided to use it to terminate everyone, healthy or sick
> > > > who passes the age of fifty?
>
> > > Please note--I clipped the older posts.
>
> > Jason, what relevance is that to what I've posted?
>
> > > Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps it is a test. If so, I am failing the te=
> > st.
>
> > > I don't like having health problems. I don't believe that I could handle
> > > being totally disabled. I appear to be heading in that direction.
>
> > > The type of heart disorder that I have (diastolic dysfunction) leads to
> > > heart failure. In addition, a MRI of my spine indicated that I have Lumba=
> > r
> > > degenerative disk disease. That can also lead to becoming totally
> > > disabled. My back sugeon indicated that most people over the age of 60
> > > will eventually get that disorder. I visited a nursing home and noticed
> > > that most all of the elderly people had canes or were making use of
> > > walkers. Some of them were in wheel chairs. I am not looking forward to
> > > becoming elderly and becoming disabled. Are you?
>
> > Again too much negativity on your part, that attitude will screw you
> > quicker than your health issues, and you're not the only one with a
> > list like that.
>
> > I have autosomal dominant polycystic kidney disease, I also have
> > hepatic cysts, and a tarlov cyst on my spinal cord in the sacral
> > region, I have arthritis in the three lower joints of the lumbar
> > region of my back, also my intervertebral discs are shrinking in the
> > whole lumbar region and the lower thoracic region, this so far has
> > lost me an inch off my height.
>
> > Without five different drugs every day, an injection once a week, an
> > infusion of iron once a fortnight, and dialysis three times a week,
> > I'd be in agony, blood pressure and cholesterol would soar, my
> > cognitive problems would worsen, toxins would build up, and within
> > less than two months, I would be dead.
>
> > But I haven't given up, nor am I hoping to put the burden of ending my
> > life in someone else's hands. I have a reasonable quality of life, I
> > work closely with those who treat my health problems, in fact we've
> > become good friends.
>
> > You need to develop a strong positive attitude, otherwise you'll be
> > running from these things for the rest of your life no matter how long
> > or short it may be. Let me ask you one thing, don't you gain any
> > strength from your faith?
>
> I am glad that you have a positive attitude. I don't have a positive
> attitude about my medical problems. Mary's nickname for me is E-Ore. My
> nickname for her is Tigger since she has a positive attitude. Mary
> purchased for me from Toys R Us a little plastic E-Ore and a plastic
> Tigger. The little donkey has a sad look on his face and Tigger is
> smiling.

So you don't draw any strength from your faith?

Yet here I am, a pragmatic agnostic.

With no religious faith to draw strength from.

And I'm coping very well.

Why is that Jason?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

And there's Jason spouting heresy again.

Why do you think your god wouldn't know the difference between real
worship and fake worship for the purposes of avoiding punishment?

You've been asked this before and never answered. I think it's time you
finally explain yourself.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 03:31, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-245F65.19212506112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
>
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>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0611121850040...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <ofjms.92413$773.7...@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-17EB80.07332806112...@news.eternal-september.org>,

You have access to the Internet.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 6 Nov, 20:32, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-8F090A.15212106112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't believe that God causes people to get diseases. There may be some
> > > exceptions but it rarely happens.
>
> > You didn't answer my question. Why not?
>
> > > I know that heart disease runs in my family. My sister had a heart attack
> > > and died at the age of 62. I am now 62 and have the same type of heart
> > > disorder that she had before she died. Most of my blood relatives have
> > > died at young ages due to heart disease.
>
> If God didn't mean for people to suffer from these diseases, why does he
> let them do so.
>
> It's complicated. It's related to the fall of Adam. As they used to
> say--In Adam's Fall, Fell we all.
>
> After Adam's Fall, sickness and disease came into the world and will be
> present on the earth until God and Jesus burn this world up with fire and
> re-build a perfect world. In that perfect world, there will be no sickness
> or disease. You can read the details of that perfect world in the last two
> chapters of the Bible. I am looking forward to it.

Who, according to the Bible created death, disease, and suffering?

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 6, 8:36 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-235E5B.19194406112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0611121853170...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus <aug.r...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > > In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3.21...@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > >>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6....@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > > >>> <aug.r...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > >>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-892D25.13280605112...@news.giganews.com>,
> Jeanne

> > > You will find out when you die that your spirit body will end up in heaven
> > > or in hell. The choice is up to you--see John 3: 15-16.
>

> > Which explicitly states that ONLY believers will have eternal life.
>
> > So we're all safe.
>
> Romans 10:9--do you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the
> dead? It's a requirement to believe that in order to be saved.
>
> Is your answer yes or no?

No.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 6, 9:48 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-D656C3.19525606112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
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>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0611121947580...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-235E5B.19194406112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>

> > > > In article <Jason-0611121853170...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus

> > > > > <aug.r...@gmail.com>

> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:

> > > > > > > In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3.21...@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus

> > > > > > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:

> > > > > > >>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6....@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
> > > > > > >>> <aug.r...@gmail.com>

> > > > > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-892D25.13280605112...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > Jeanne

There is nothing to be saved *from*.

[Andrew]

"SkyEyes" wrote in message news:ff057cc7-ab60-4167...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> Are you saying that you don't believe that God raised Jesus from the dead?
>>
>> If you answer is NO--it means you are NOT saved.
>>
>> Re-read Romans 10:9
>
> There is nothing to be saved *from*.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we
have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 1:8-10

[Andrew]

"SkyEyes" wrote in message news:18e7e60d-416b-4c98...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> Romans 10:9--do you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus
>> from the dead? It's a requirement to believe that in order to be saved.
>>
>> Is your answer yes or no?
>
> No.

"He who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the
condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved
darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone
practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his
deeds should be exposed."
John 3:18-20

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 09:10, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "SkyEyes" wrote in messagenews:ff057cc7-ab60-4167...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

If you do something wrong.

Then you should apologise to the person you did it to.

If they accept your apology that's fine.

If they don't, you need to find some way to earn their acceptance.

No need for gods of any kind to be involved.

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:16:21 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
>> In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article

>>> <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>
>>> > In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6...@216.196.121.131>,

>>> > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>>> > > news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>> > >
>>> > > > In article

>>> > > > <dfritzin-F0A88C...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> In article
>>> > > >> <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>>> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> > In article

>>> > > >> > <dfritzin-10B069...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> > > >> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > > In article
>>> > > >> > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com

>>> > > >> > > >,
>>> > > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> > > >> > >
>>> > > >> > > > In article

>>> > > >> > > > <XnsA102A12BADE7E...@216.196.121.131>,

>>> How do you know that?
>>>
>>>

>>> > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
>>> > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass
>>> > the class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory
>>> > and answer exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry
>>> > for college students that are presently taking history classes.
>>> > They have to learn revisionist history. In 1972, they were still
>>> > teaching real history. Thank goodness for that.
>>>

>>> You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass
>>> the course?
>>

>> The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the
>> primordial pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells
>> evolved from pond scum.
>
>

> That a is FAR more plausible explanation than
> anything your friends at ICR have been peddling.
>
>
>
> "All things in the universe were created and made
> by God in the six literal days of the Creation Week
> described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus
> 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical,
> and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or
> development that involve evolution in any form are
> false."
> http://www.icr.org/tenets/

"Perspicuous"?
Hey, Cletus, they is usin' trimenjus wo'ds, they muss be raght!
Fry mah hide!

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 22:08:43 -0800 (PST), Devils Advocaat wrote:


> So all you did was parrot the answers you knew were needed.
>
> Parroting doesn't require you to believe what you are saying or
> writing.
>
> So why do you say you had to believe?

Dont knock parroting -- it's how I passed my Catechism classes!

[Devils Advocaat]

A case of polly wants a wafer? :P

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 12:19, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:16:21 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>

> >> In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9.16074006112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> >> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> In article

> >>> <Jason-0611121528350...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >>>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >>> > In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

> >>> > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >>> > >news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> >>> > > > In article

> >>> > > > <dfritzin-F0A88C.15202006112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > >> In article
> >>> > > >> <Jason-0611121159470...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >>> > > >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >>> > > >> > In article

> >>> > > >> > <dfritzin-10B069.07113906112...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> > > >> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > >> > > In article
> >>> > > >> > > <Jason-0511122029300...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com

> >>> > > >> > > >,
> >>> > > >> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >>> > > >> > > > In article

> >>> > > >> > > > <XnsA102A12BADE7Enomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,

Rufus quit yer cussin'

Yer no wurdz dat got mor'un two silly balls is cussin'

An' da gud Lawd sayz cussin' is a sin!

[Caranx latus]

On 11/7/2012 12:02 AM, Jason wrote:
> In article <MXkms.10622$mP4....@fe10.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/6/2012 9:53 PM, Jason wrote:
>>> In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus <aug....@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:

>>>>> In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3....@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus

>>>>> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6...@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:

>>>>>>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-892D25...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>> As soon as you can put a cogent argument together for the existence of
>> God, Heaven, Hell and souls, I'll start paying attention. Until then,
>> it's no good quoting scripture at me.
>
> If you end up spending your eternity in hell, it will be your own fault
> since you have now been warned about the dangers of hell fire.
>
> A better option would be to do what it says to do in John 3: 15-16 and
> Romans 10: 9. That means you could spend your eternity in heaven instead
> of in hell.

Well, *that* certainly wasn't a cogent argument.

[Hannele]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:21:25 +0100, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>> In article <ofjms.92413$773....@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus
>> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>> On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
>>>> In article

>> <dfritzin-17EB80...@news.eternal-september.org>,

So what that there are lines. The lines only prove one thing: they're up
and running, they have energy and gas. So what are you complaining about,
Jason?

--
Hannele, A.A #2211

There are at least as many gods as there are believers.

[Alex W.]

.... other than having to spend eternity sitting on a cloud in
the company of fervent True Believers. Think "Baptist summer
camp" without end....

[Caranx latus]

On 11/7/2012 12:05 AM, Jason wrote:
> In article <XLkms.126046$GG4.1...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/6/2012 10:26 PM, Jason wrote:
>>> In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>>> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>

>>>>>>> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The

>>>>>>> professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the

>>>>>>> primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scum
>>>>>>> theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
>>>>>>> about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
>>>>>>> stupid theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> What was so stupid about that theory?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial pond
>>>>> ever existed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding
>>>> YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> We base our beliefs on faith.
>>
>> You'd have to, wouldn't you? You can't base them on facts.
>
> And many of your beliefs about abiogenesis also appear to me to be based
> on faith.

You mean, if I had any beliefs about abiogenesis, right?

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <ofjms.92413$773....@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus

> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article <dfritzin-17EB80...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >>>>> Obama does not care about the long lines at gas stations. He is
> > >>>>> totally
> > >>>>> focused on winning the election.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Did you read what I wrote above? Tell us what more Obama could have
> > >>>> done, that he hasn't already done. Do you want him to drive a tanker
> > >>>> truck to one of the gas stations? What do you think he could have
> > >>>> done?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Remember, NJ Republican governor Chris Christie has praised Obama's
> > >>>> actions during the aftermath of Sandy, even though he is a loyal
> > >>>> Republican who is still going to vote for Romney. Are you accusing
> > >>>> Christie of being a liar?
> > >>>
> > >>> No--Christie was smart for getting what he needed from Obama.
> > >>
> > >> Evasion noted and rejected. Respond to my points, or admit Obama is
> > >> doing the best that can be done!
> > >
> > > Obama could have made some phone calls to order that gasoline and
> > > generators be delivered to closed down gas stations.
> >
> > How do you know that he didn't?
>
> Because I have still seen long lines at many open gas stations.

Perhaps your simplistic understanding of the situation is wrong (OK,
Jason's simplistic understanding is, as always, wrong). Perhaps the
president can't just make a phone call and have gas magically appear.
Perhaps it actually takes time to restore power to the afflicted areas.

But, no, Jason doesn't believe that. If he did, he couldn't continue to
blame President (2nd term now) Obama, even though all but the most
benighted conservatives admit Obama has done a fine job.

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:39:10 -0800, linuxgal wrote:

> Jason wrote:
>
>> When you die, your spirit will go to heaven or hell.
>

> What is a spirit?

Vodka, whisky, gin, cognac, armagnac, calvados, arrak, poteen,
schnaps, akvavit, raki, shochu, grappa, marc, Trester, rum ... to
name but a few.

These have the inestimable advantage of having a provable
existence.

[Caranx latus]

And we know the Bible to be true because...?

[David Fritzinger]

In article <1v7ulatdov3wz$.v33zpka9981k$.d...@40tude.net>,
"Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:44:00 -0500, David Fritzinger wrote:
>
> > In article <15hywt3nu2460$.efzoxmhb0b2s$.d...@40tude.net>,
> > "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:19:06 -0500, David Fritzinger wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <o4hqqs3o9av1.g...@40tude.net>,
> >>> "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:47:51 -0500, David Fritzinger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Actually, there is some truth to what Jason said (I don't believe I
> >>>>> actually said that!). There are houses partially under water along the
> >>>>> Jersey shore, and on parts of Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Long Island.
> >>>>> Some houses were literally blown out to sea, while others were
> >>>>> destroyed. Obviously, the repairs will take months to years, and some
> >>>>> areas of the Jersey Shore may never be the same. However, that is not
> >>>>> anyone's fault, except for the people who build houses in stupid places.
> >>>>
> >>>> From my leftpondian vantage, "houses in stupid places" pretty
> >>>> much applies to all of the US. The North-West has active
> >>>> volcanoes, as does Hawaii. California is only ever one quake
> >>>> away from becoming the next Atlantis. The Gulf states including
> >>>> Florida are prime hurricane states, as is much of the Eastern
> >>>> seaboard. The Northern states from N Dakota to Maine are
> >>>> infamous for their blizzards, trying to out-siberia Siberia. And
> >>>> the flyover states in the middle are dustbowls with a side order
> >>>> of tornadoes. The safest place to build a house might be on
> >>>> Guam....
> >>>
> >>> Nope. Guam has killer hurricanes, quite often. BTW, there are only
> >>> active volcanoes on 2 islands of Hawaii, the Big Island (Hawaii) and
> >>> Maui. The volcano on Maui hasn't erupted in centuries.
> >>
> >> The problem with volcanoes is that one never quite knows how
> >> dormant they really are. Mount St Helens didn't exactly post
> >> much advance notice befor blowing its top....
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> BTW, are you suggesting we give up and give the country back to the
> >>> American Indians?
> >>>
> >>> 8^)
> >>
> >> Well, you could make a start by returning the land to those you
> >> stole it from in the first place: us!
> >> :-)
> >
> > Ahh, how Eurocentric your memories are. We may have stolen the land from
> > you (well, actually, we kicked you out), but you lot stole it from the
> > American Indians.
> > 8^)
>
> "Stole" is such a harsh word.
> "Expressing our manifest destiny" is a much better way of
> describing it, I find.

Hey, stop trying to steal our justification!
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, adjusted for size, the UK gets more tornadoes a year than
> >>>> the US, and you don't hear us whining!
> >>>> :-P
> >>>
> >>> I lived in Bristol, England for 2 years, and I certainly heard a lot of
> >>> whining about the rain.
> >>
> >> That's not whining, that's expert analysis! Plus, it allows us
> >> to avoid talking about anything else. I have neighbours I have
> >> lived next to for almost two decades, and we have yet to speak
> >> about something other than the weather....
> >
> > Oh, I get it. When we do it, it is whining, but when you do it, it is
> > expert analysis. (Sarcasm off)
>
> When you live in this country, high-level expertise in rain is
> practically a birthright. Why do you think we sallied forth to
> conquer an empire on which the sun never set? Hint: the word
> "sun" is a definite indicator.
>
> Anyway, who invented the Stiff Upper Lip, eh? We don't all sit
> on Oprah's couch to spread out our miserable dirty linen for all
> the world to gloat over. Nor do we ring up Dr Ruth when our
> marital performance stats go all British on us! Americans do
> Springer, we go to the pub and talk about the weather -- who do
> you think is healthier?

Depends on how much beer you drink, and the quality of the beer.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> >
> > > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> > > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> > > class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer

> > > exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college students
> > > that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn revisionist
> > > history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> > > for that.
> >
> > You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass the
> > course?
>
> The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> scum.

There is not, nor was there ever any hypothesis that life evolved from
pond scum. Especially since what you call pond scum is alive.
Apparently, your bad memory has struck yet again.

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:20:46 -0500, Caranx latus wrote:

>
> The problem in N'O'leans isn't that it was too close to the ocean, but
> rather that parts of it were below sea level. Stupid bloody place to
> build a city if you ask me. Sheer idiocy to rebuild it.

Not ideal, but not necessarily stupid. Many places around the
world are built at or below sea level, or on floodplains
(including my own London -- England, not Ontario). The vital
trick is to remember this at all times and to keep flood
protections such as dams and locks in good working order. In the
Netherlands, the chap in charge of their flood protection is
deemed so important that he has a cabinet post, and in times of
emergency he is the single most powerful person in the country.

This very basic lesson is one that was lost in New Orleans. They
forgot to protect themselves, plain and simple.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-8BDFB5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> > > The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > > pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > > scum.
> >

> > Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?
>
> In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
> professor expected me to answer the questions.

That does not mean you have to believe in the hypothesis that was
taught. It just means you have to understand it. There is a *BIG*
difference between the two.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:veednS0-GusduAfN...@earthlink.com:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren,
and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot
be my disciple."
Luke 14:26

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:


>
> Congratulations, it appears that your hero Obama won re-election.
> However, it also appears that the republicans will maintain control
> over the house of representatives.


So Republicans will block everything Obama
wants done and then brag that Obama cannot get
anything done.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <4ukms.4392$KD4....@fe08.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/6/2012 3:54 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article

>> >> <dfritzin-F84666...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In article
>> >>> <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> >>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [snip]
>> >>>> I also saw a picture in the newspaper yesterday of lots of
>> >>>> houses that were partly under water. I am also concerned about
>> >>>> the families that once lived in those homes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you expect Obama to rebuild their houses for them?
>> >>
>> >> If I was Obama, I would buy that property with government money
>> >> and make it illegal for anyone to ever build houses on that
>> >> government owned property. They should have done the same thing in
>> >> New Orleans. It's stupid to build houses within a mile of the
>> >> ocean unless they are on cliffs. It's also stupid to build houses
>> >> or businesses below sea level or within a mile of the Mississippi
>> >> River. The federal gov't should buy that land and make it illegal
>> >> for anyone to build houses or businesses on that property.
>> >
>> > And here I thought you wanted to eliminate the debt.
>>
>> Apparently not. Jason apparently likes to sit on both sides of every
>> fence.
>
> It would be good investment in the long run. For example, houses
> located next to the Mississippi River have been replaced dozens of
> times. If that land was purchased and made into wet lands--the houses
> would never again have to be replaced everytime the Mississippii River
> flooded.


The very "big government" eminent domain
that conservatives complain about.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <MXkms.10622$mP4....@fe10.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/6/2012 9:53 PM, Jason wrote:
>> > In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus
>> > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:
>> >>> In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3....@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus
>> >>> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6...@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
> <aug....@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:

>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:
>> >>>>>>> In article

>> >>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-892D25...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>> As soon as you can put a cogent argument together for the existence
>> of God, Heaven, Hell and souls, I'll start paying attention. Until
>> then, it's no good quoting scripture at me.
>
> If you end up spending your eternity in hell, it will be your own
> fault since you have now been warned about the dangers of hell fire.
>
> A better option would be to do what it says to do in John 3: 15-16 and
> Romans 10: 9.

And don't forget Luke.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-940F6B...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> > In article

>> > <6aeff9f5-46f3-448e...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Nov 6, 4:10=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > > > In article <hlwdjsd2-43AC22.13014406112...@news.giganews.com>,

>> > > > Jeanne
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > In article

>> > > > > <Jason-0611121152160...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > In article
>> > > > > > <XnsA1034F59978CCnomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitche=
>> > > ll
>> > > > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote
>> > > > > > > in
>> > > > > > >news:dfritzin-E0673B...@news.eternal-september.
>> > > > > > >org:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > In article
>> > > > > > > > <Jason-0511122106330...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.
>> > > > > > > > com>, =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > >> In article
> <hlwdjsd2-8B22A5.20353805112...@news.giganews.com>, J=

>> > > eanne
>> > > > > > > >> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > In article

>> > > > > > > >> > <Jason-0511122012420...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwe
>> > > > > > > >> > st.com>, =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > > > > > > > [snip]
>> > > > > > > >> > > Because Obama has the power needed to get the
>> > > > > > > >> > > closed
> down ga=
>> > > s
>> > > > > > > >> > > stations open for business by providing them with
> generators=
>> > > and
>> > > > > > > >> > > gasoline.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > No, he doesn't.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > >> Yes, he does.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > Explain what he could be doing to improve the
>> > > > > > > > situation.
> Be speci=
>> > > fic.
>> > > > > > > > If you can't, admit that he is doing all he could.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > BTW, you've stopped snipping again.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > =A0 =A0 Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time
>> > > > > > > out from blasting federal disaster relief as "wasteful
>> > > > > > > interference" to claim the government isn't doing enough
>> > > > > > > to provide disaster relief.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > Liberal reporters done the same thing when Bush2 was
>> > > > > > president. They blamed Bush2 for the disaster in New
>> > > > > > Orleans.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Because he left thousands of people to die.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > On the other hand, they are NOT blaming Obama for the Sandy
> disaster.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Because he's actually done his job.
>> > > >
>> > > > Many people in Queens, NY became homeless as a result of Sandy.
>> > > > Why are they still homeless?
>> > >
>> > > Why do you think Obama is responcible for that?
>> >
>> > In much the same way Bush2 was responsible for the homeless people
>> > in New Orleans.
>>
>> One has nothing to do with the other.
>>
>> If you want to be seen as honest, you need to look at New Orleans a
>> week after Katrina, and NJ/NY a week after Sandy.
>>
>> I want to see a list of where things were in both places, compared
>> and contrasted.
>
> If nothing is done--two weeks from now--we will still have lots of
> homeless people in places like Queens, N.Y. that become homeless as a
> direct result of Hurricane Sandy.




What is your "private initiative" solution to that?

[tirebiter]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:25:10 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-8BDFB5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >

> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article

> > > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <XnsA103A1B8943B6...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

> > > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > news:Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <dfritzin-F0A88C...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > > > > > Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> In article

> > > > > > >> <Jason-06111...@66-53-223-163.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > > >> >

> <dfritzin-10B069...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > > > > >> > Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > In article

> > > > > > >> > > <Jason-05111...@67-150-122-33.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > >> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > In article

> <XnsA102A12BADE7E...@216.196.121.131>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > [snip]
> > > > > > >> > > > > You have never met this woman, you know nothing
> > > > > > >> > > > > about her credibility, and yet you believe EVERYTHING
> > > > > > >> > > > > she has to say.
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > Why?
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > She had no reason to lie.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > No one is accusing her of lying. She honestly believes
> what she
> > > > > > >> > > described. However, believing something does not mean
> that it is
> > > > > > >> > > correct. For example, you believe many, many things that have
> > > > > > >> > > been proven to be factually incorrect.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > BTW, you have stopped snipping posts.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Sorry about that--I keep forgetting.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > You made some good points. I agree with her. The main reason--she
> > > > > > >> > knows more about what happened to her more than anyone else.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> No, Jason, I am afraid you believe her because you want to. She is
> > > > > > >> saying things you want to hear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is correct. However, while in college I had to believe things
> > > > > > > that I did not enjoy hearing in order to pass the various courses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What things were those?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The
> professor was
> > > > > an atheist.
> > > >

> > > > How do you know that?
> > > >
> > > >

> > > > > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> > > > > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> > > > > class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer
> > > > > exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college
> students
> > > > > that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn
> revisionist
> > > > > history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> > > > > for that.
> > > >
> > > > You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass the
> > > > course?
> > >

> > > The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > > pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > > scum.
> >
> > Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?
>
> In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
> professor expected me to answer the questions.

Poor Jason, still pretending he went to college. All of his classes seem to
have been 101 freshman level. Why is that Jason?

For your information, Jason, the 101 level classes are designed to transition
high school students, and cull out the people who can't hack "higher
education".

It would not cover origin of life theories in any great detail.

Anyone who has actually attended college can see right through your pathetic
attempt at deception.

Why do you persist?

---
a.a. #2273

[James Burns]

Caranx latus wrote:

> The problem in N'O'leans isn't that it was too close to the ocean, but
> rather that parts of it were below sea level. Stupid bloody place to
> build a city if you ask me. Sheer idiocy to rebuild it.

As I remember it being explained, back in the post-Katrina days,
Nawlins wasn't originally below sea level.

The delta that the French built on received regular additions of
silt from the Mississipi -- at least, it did before we built a
city there, then put dikes and such around it to keep the city
from getting regularly flooded. A couple hundred years of
no-more-silt and Nawlins sank below sea level. It's hard to
say who, if anyone's, fault that is.

As for the idiocy of rebuilding it, yeah, maybe, but
it's the residents' home. It's an entirely human thing to
refuse to get pushed out of one's home.

I think an argument could be made that this entirely human thing
is the reason that there are several billion humans on this planet,
not just a few scattered hunting groups on the plains of Africa.

So, if it is sheer idiocy, at least it has been very successful
idiocy (for some value of "successful"). Or so it seems to me.

[tirebiter]

It seems that Jason not only wants President Obama to rebuild every house by
hand and pump gas into every person's car, he now wants the President to be
the zoning board for every city and town in the country.

Plus he is insisting that Obama use "socialistic" means to do that.

Tell me Jason, just how would you REALLY respond if Obama personally allocated
"government money" to buy private property and prevent free enterprise
capitalism from operating at their own chances of risk and reward?

You're not a hypocrite are you?

---
a.a. #2273

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article

> <6aeff9f5-46f3-448e...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
> M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 4:10=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> > > Many people in Queens, NY became homeless as a result of Sandy. Why are
> > > they still homeless?
> >
> > Why do you think Obama is responcible for that?
>
> In much the same way Bush2 was responsible for the homeless people in New
> Orleans.

Nope, wrong again. Bush went days without doing anything about Katrina.
Obama started working on it on the night of the storm.

Why do you lie so often?

[Alex W.]

We had it first, so there!

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, adjusted for size, the UK gets more tornadoes a year than
>>>>>> the US, and you don't hear us whining!
>>>>>> :-P
>>>>>
>>>>> I lived in Bristol, England for 2 years, and I certainly heard a lot of
>>>>> whining about the rain.
>>>>
>>>> That's not whining, that's expert analysis! Plus, it allows us
>>>> to avoid talking about anything else. I have neighbours I have
>>>> lived next to for almost two decades, and we have yet to speak
>>>> about something other than the weather....
>>>
>>> Oh, I get it. When we do it, it is whining, but when you do it, it is
>>> expert analysis. (Sarcasm off)
>>
>> When you live in this country, high-level expertise in rain is
>> practically a birthright. Why do you think we sallied forth to
>> conquer an empire on which the sun never set? Hint: the word
>> "sun" is a definite indicator.
>>
>> Anyway, who invented the Stiff Upper Lip, eh? We don't all sit
>> on Oprah's couch to spread out our miserable dirty linen for all
>> the world to gloat over. Nor do we ring up Dr Ruth when our
>> marital performance stats go all British on us! Americans do
>> Springer, we go to the pub and talk about the weather -- who do
>> you think is healthier?
>
> Depends on how much beer you drink, and the quality of the beer.

Bah.
You may drink more beer than we do (78 versus 74 litres per
capita annually) but our beer is WAY, WAY, WAHAY batter than
yours. Want proof? OK, one word: Budweiser. Not enough? One
more word: Schlitz. Two more words: Michelob Ultra. Three more
words: Pabst Blue Ribbon. It is scientifically impossible to
chemically formulate let alone drink worse beer than these.
Generously speaking, it is probably a superior taste experience
to slug down a pint of warm syphilitic armadillo piss strained
through a defensive lineup player's post-match socks.

QED, cheers, down the hatch and up your bottoms!

[Alex W.]

Correct, except for one hugely well-hung detail:

<drops trousers>

This parrot ain't no Polly.

:-P

[David Fritzinger]

In article <1qcaoaqxodqm3.1g31qn2ipeqf7$.d...@40tude.net>,

Hey, I'm not arguing about the quality of British vs mass market
American beer. The latter is horrible. However, the US does have quite a
number of microbreweries that make some very presentable beers.

IIRC, Britain had the same problem a number of years ago. In fact, I was
living there during the CAMRA (Campaign for Real Ale) days.

[Devils Advocaat]

Ewww! Put it away you deevee ant!

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 04:54, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XLkms.126046$GG4.115...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/6/2012 10:26 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>

> > >>>>> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The

> > >>>>> professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the

> > >>>>> primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scum
> > >>>>> theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
> > >>>>> about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
> > >>>>> stupid theory.
>

> > >>>>       What was so stupid about that theory?
>
> > >>> There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial pond
> > >>> ever existed.
>
> > >>      As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding
> > >> YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
>
> > >>      Really?
>
> > > We base our beliefs on faith.
>
> > You'd have to, wouldn't you? You can't base them on facts.
>
> And many of your beliefs about abiogenesis also appear to me to be based
> on faith.

Why do you have a problem with abiogenesis?

What is your objection to it?

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 13:15, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote innews:Jason-06111...@66-53-219-184.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Just like they did for the last four years.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 7 Nov, 04:51, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <MXkms.10622$mP4.3...@fe10.iad>, Caranx latus
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/6/2012 9:53 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article <Q1ims.2421$nq....@fe15.iad>, Caranx latus <aug.r...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> On 11/6/2012 6:46 PM, Jason wrote:
> > >>> In article <YJgms.89677$Fr3.21...@fed07.iad>, Caranx latus
> > >>> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> On 11/6/2012 3:19 PM, Jason wrote:
> > >>>>> In article <oF8ms.202$Ci6....@fe03.iad>, Caranx latus
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>>>> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> On 11/5/2012 11:37 PM, Jason wrote:
> > >>>>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-892D25.13280605112...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Romans 10: 9. That means you could spend your eternity in heaven instead
> of in hell.

How is that a cogent argument for the existence of God, Heaven, Hell
and souls?

[Mitchell Holman]

Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:89b965e5-f022-4523...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> On 7 Nov, 13:15, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote

>> innews:Jason-0611122104260001@66-53-219-18

> 4.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Congratulations, it appears that your hero Obama won re-election.
>> > However, it also appears that the republicans will maintain control
>> > over the house of representatives.
>>
>>     So Republicans will block everything Obama
>> wants done and then brag that Obama cannot get
>> anything done.
>
> Just like they did for the last four years.

They are so obstructionist they will vote
down their OWN proposals if Obama happens to
agree with them.






GOP Opposes Their Own Ideas — If Obama Backs Them
Tue, 26 Jun 2012

One idea Republicans had been pushing was a proposal
for a bipartisan commission to recommend tough deficit-
reduction measures. But then the Obama administration
decided to embrace the idea.

And, lo and behold, as Mike Allen reported in Politico,
the Republicans promptly turned on their heels and
repudiated it. Six of the bill's Republican co-sponsors
voted against it.

Obama:

"This law failed by seven votes when seven Republicans
who had co-sponsored the bill — had co-sponsored the
idea — suddenly walked away from their own proposal after
I endorsed it"

http://tinyurl.com/9dy4ybz

[Mitchell Holman]

tirebiter <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:1713aeef-04cc-4730...@googlegroups.com:

Jason hasn't figured out that Obama and
his security detail would actually get in
the way of first responders trying to do
their jobs.

But that won't stop him from demanding that
Obama personally string power lines and pick
up debris, no sirree....

[Devils Advocaat]

On Nov 7, 3:02 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:

> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote innews:89b965e5-f022-4523...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7 Nov, 13:15, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote
> >> innews:Jason-0611122104260001@66-53-219-18
> > 4.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> >> > Congratulations, it appears that your hero Obama won re-election.
> >> > However, it also appears that the republicans will maintain control
> >> > over the house of representatives.
>
> >> So Republicans will block everything Obama
> >> wants done and then brag that Obama cannot get
> >> anything done.
>
> > Just like they did for the last four years.
>
>      They are so obstructionist they will vote
> down their OWN proposals if Obama happens to
> agree with them.

Then what Obama should do is use moles to infiltrate the Republicans
to get them to put out policies which Obama then can roundly
criticise, that will encourage the Republicans to push those policies
through, all the while those policies will be the ones Obama would
have implemented in the first place. And Democrat voting against those
policies will be a token resistance to make the Republicans think the
Democrats are genuinely opposing those policies.

[Alex W.]

Ah, Shock And Awe ... it always works!

[Devils Advocaat]

More like Yuck and Spew ,,, lol

[tirebiter]

I couldn't believe that the Senate made no effort to sanction Mitch McConnell
when he openly stated that the safety, welfare, and security of the United
States took a distant second place to his political objectives:

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to
be a one-term president."

And to use the buzzword of this election cycle, he "doubled down" by promising
to be obstructionist:

"We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals...Because
we thought -- correctly, I think -- that the only way the American people
would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not
bipartisan. When you hang the 'bipartisan' tag on something, the perception
is that differences have been worked out, and there’s a broad agreement that
that’s the way forward."

I would like Harry Reid to read this into the National Archives at the start
of each and every Senate session for the next four years.

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[Jason]

In article <XnsA1044A512BF0D...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Put those homeless people in hotel rooms and motel rooms until they are
able to find housing for those people.

[Jason]

In article <op.wnell...@laptophannele.lan>, Hannele
<han...@lycos.nl> wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:21:25 +0100, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >

> >> In article <ofjms.92413$773....@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus
> >> <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >>> On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
> >>>> In article

> >> <dfritzin-17EB80...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Obama does not care about the long lines at gas stations. He is
> >>>>>>>> totally
> >>>>>>>> focused on winning the election.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Did you read what I wrote above? Tell us what more Obama could
> >> have
> >>>>>>> done, that he hasn't already done. Do you want him to drive a
> >> tanker
> >>>>>>> truck to one of the gas stations? What do you think he could have
> >>>>>>> done?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Remember, NJ Republican governor Chris Christie has praised
> >> Obama's
> >>>>>>> actions during the aftermath of Sandy, even though he is a loyal
> >>>>>>> Republican who is still going to vote for Romney. Are you
> >> accusing
> >>>>>>> Christie of being a liar?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No--Christie was smart for getting what he needed from Obama.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Evasion noted and rejected. Respond to my points, or admit Obama is
> >>>>> doing the best that can be done!
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama could have made some phone calls to order that gasoline and
> >>>> generators be delivered to closed down gas stations.
> >>>
> >>> How do you know that he didn't?
> >>
> >> Because I have still seen long lines at many open gas stations.
> >
> > How many gas stations?
> >
> > How many gas stations DON'T have lines.
> >
> > Let's see some numbers. Fox deceitfully showing only those gas stations
> > with lines without showing any of them without lines is not a way to
> > judge what's happening.
> >
> So what that there are lines. The lines only prove one thing: they're up
> and running, they have energy and gas. So what are you complaining about,
> Jason?

The closed down gas stations that need gas and generators.

[Jason]

In article <XnsA1044993E736A...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

The head of the senate said that the democrats in the Senate would not
work with Romney if he won the election.

[Jason]

In article <XnsA1045BBE2AA6F...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Harry Reid said the democrats in the Senate would not have worked with
Romney if he had won the election.

[hypatiab7]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:28:33 PM UTC-5, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> news:Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> > In article <G8mdnSx-me5RJgTN...@giganews.com>, linuxgal
>
> > <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

> >> Jason wrote:
>
> >> > When you die, your spirit will go to heaven or hell.
>

> >> What is a spirit?
>
> > Your spirit body lives inside of your physical body while you are
> > alive. When you die, your spirit body will go to heaven or go to hell.

> > The choice is up to you--see John 3: 15-16.
>

> > Doctor Neal said she was in her spirit body when she saw the men
> > performing CPR on her physical body. She said her spirit body entered
> > back into her physical body and she was revived and fully recovered in
> > a hospital room.
>
> "spirit body"?
>
Funny your Bible doesn't mention that.
>
> Perhaps it doesn't exist?

The Bible doesn't mention electricity, either, Jason. Better stop using it.

[Jason]

In article <XnsA10449E4AE86F...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

It would not be eminent domain if they federal government purchased those
houses .

[Tom McDonald]

It would, to the extent that the homeowners did not want to sell. Or do
you think the Feds, or anyone else, can just go up to the door of a
house and hand a check to unwilling sellers?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-26C900...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <ofjms.92413$773....@fed11.iad>, Caranx latus
> > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/6/2012 2:23 PM, Jason wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-17EB80...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > >>>>> Obama does not care about the long lines at gas stations. He is
> > > >>>>> totally
> > > >>>>> focused on winning the election.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Did you read what I wrote above? Tell us what more Obama could have
> > > >>>> done, that he hasn't already done. Do you want him to drive a tanker
> > > >>>> truck to one of the gas stations? What do you think he could have
> > > >>>> done?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Remember, NJ Republican governor Chris Christie has praised Obama's
> > > >>>> actions during the aftermath of Sandy, even though he is a loyal
> > > >>>> Republican who is still going to vote for Romney. Are you accusing
> > > >>>> Christie of being a liar?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No--Christie was smart for getting what he needed from Obama.
> > > >>
> > > >> Evasion noted and rejected. Respond to my points, or admit Obama is
> > > >> doing the best that can be done!
> > > >
> > > > Obama could have made some phone calls to order that gasoline and
> > > > generators be delivered to closed down gas stations.
> > >
> > > How do you know that he didn't?
> >
> > Because I have still seen long lines at many open gas stations.
>

> Perhaps your simplistic understanding of the situation is wrong (OK,
> Jason's simplistic understanding is, as always, wrong). Perhaps the
> president can't just make a phone call and have gas magically appear.
> Perhaps it actually takes time to restore power to the afflicted areas.
>
> But, no, Jason doesn't believe that. If he did, he couldn't continue to
> blame President (2nd term now) Obama, even though all but the most
> benighted conservatives admit Obama has done a fine job.

It's more like that he could have some staff members go to those areas and
arrange for gas and generators to be delivered to those closed down gas
stations.

When I first got out of college, I took a job as the manager of a fast
food restaurant. I was the newest manager. If we had a major problem at
one of our fast food restaurants, my supervisor would visit the restaurant
and find out what the problem was. He would take what every actions he
needed to solve that problem. In one case, he ordered my assistant manager
to take my place as manager and sent me to North Carolina to take over for
a manager that was stealing money from the restaurant. My supervisor fired
that manager. I did not want to do it but I fully understood why my
supervisor made that decision.

What is my point? Obama could sent his trusted staff members to those
cities and order them to do whatever they needed to do to get gas and
generators to those closed down gas stations.

[Jason]

In article
<21075f40-b558-47c5...@a6g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Devils

You will find the eviedence on the day that you die.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-C61745...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-3EA7C9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article

> > > <Jason-06111...@67-150-171-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> [snip]
> > >

> > > > He taught the members of the class the primordial pond theory.
> > > > It is also called the primordial pond scum theory. In order to pass the
> > > > class, I had to listen to a lecture about that stupid theory and answer

> > > > exam questions about that stupid theory. I feel sorry for college
students
> > > > that are presently taking history classes. They have to learn
revisionist
> > > > history. In 1972, they were still teaching real history. Thank goodness
> > > > for that.
> > >
> > > You didn't answer the question. What did you have to believe to pass the
> > > course?
> >
> > The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > scum.
>
> There is not, nor was there ever any hypothesis that life evolved from
> pond scum. Especially since what you call pond scum is alive.
> Apparently, your bad memory has struck yet again.

I believe the professor said that living cells evolved from the pond scum.
I believe he was discussing living cells that could evolve into higher
life forms.

[tirebiter]

It's hard to imagine exactly why you wrote that. I'm thinking that maybe in
the same way TV networks put their best shows on during "sweeps week", you
are going for some sort of bonus payout for posting the stupidest thing
imaginable at this particular time.

For your informaion, from thefreedictionary.com

eminent domain n. The right of a government to appropriate private property
for public use, usually with compensation to the owner.

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a.a. #2273

[Jason]

In article <_Hsms.62594$Kv.3...@fed10.iad>, Caranx latus
<aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/7/2012 12:05 AM, Jason wrote:
> > In article <XLkms.126046$GG4.1...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus
> > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 11/6/2012 10:26 PM, Jason wrote:
> >>> In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

> >>> Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>>>>> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The

> >>>>>>> professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the

> >>>>>>> primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scum
> >>>>>>> theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
> >>>>>>> about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
> >>>>>>> stupid theory.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> What was so stupid about that theory?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial pond
> >>>>> ever existed.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding
> >>>> YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
> >>>>
> >>>> Really?
> >>>
> >>> We base our beliefs on faith.
> >>
> >> You'd have to, wouldn't you? You can't base them on facts.
> >
> > And many of your beliefs about abiogenesis also appear to me to be based
> > on faith.
>

> You mean, if I had any beliefs about abiogenesis, right?

Yes.

[Jason]

In article
<c10dacdc-8e65-41d9...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,

Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7 Nov, 04:54, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <XLkms.126046$GG4.115...@fed06.iad>, Caranx latus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/6/2012 10:26 PM, Jason wrote:

> > > > In article <XnsA103D7C21FE80nomailverizon...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=

> ll
> > > > Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > >>>>> One example--I had to take biology 101 in the year 1972. The
> > > >>>>> professor was an atheist. He taught the members of the class the

> > > >>>>> primordial pond theory. It is also called the primordial pond scu=

> m
> > > >>>>> theory. In order to pass the class, I had to listen to a lecture
> > > >>>>> about that stupid theory and answer exam questions about that
> > > >>>>> stupid theory.
> >

> > > >>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 What was so stupid about that theory?
> >
> > > >>> There is no evidence or facts to indicate that such a primordial po=
> nd
> > > >>> ever existed.
> >
> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0As compared to the "evidence and facts" regarding

> > > >> YOUR Garden of Eden theory?
> >

> > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0Really?

> >
> > > > We base our beliefs on faith.
> >
> > > You'd have to, wouldn't you? You can't base them on facts.
> >
> > And many of your beliefs about abiogenesis also appear to me to be based
> > on faith.
>
> Why do you have a problem with abiogenesis?
>
> What is your objection to it?

I don't believe it is possible for living cells to evolve from non-living
matter.

I believe that God created life on this earth.

If living cells could evolve from non-living matter--it should be easy for
scientists to make it happen in lab experiments.

[tirebiter]

How oddly similar to the example I posted.

Except that ISN'T your point. You want President Obama to do all those jobs.
Himself.

Why?

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a.a. #2273

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-191A66...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>

> > In article <hlwdjsd2-8BDFB5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Jason-06111...@66-53-217-9.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> [snip]

> > > > The lies the professor told about a stupid theory called the primordial
> > > > pond scum theory. The theory claimed that living cells evolved from pond
> > > > scum.
> > >

> > > Why do you say you had to believe that theory to pass the course?
> >
> > In order to get an A grade, I had to answer the questions the way the
> > professor expected me to answer the questions.
>
> That does not mean you have to believe in the hypothesis that was
> taught. It just means you have to understand it. There is a *BIG*
> difference between the two.

Good point. I did fully understand the primordial pond theory. You are
correct--I did not believe it.

[tirebiter]

Which is just more evidence you never went to college, and certainly never got
a Masters Degree.

Why are all your classes freshman 101 level? Who even remembers those
courses? Nothing interesting happens in college classes until Junior year.

What benefit do you get by embarrassing yourself with this transparent lie?

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a.a. #2273

[Jason]

In article <5b3b8fa2-265f-4c6f...@googlegroups.com>,

I meant that Obama could send staff members to do those jobs.