On 11/8/2012 7:58 AM, Les wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:06:20 -0500, Calvin Ramsey
> <calvinlram
...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 11/7/2012 5:57 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:42:36 +0000, Steve O <nos...@here.thanks>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 07/11/2012 20:42, Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/2012 12:35 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:54:52 -0800, John Locke
>>>>>> <johnnydemon...@demonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:26:51 -0500, Calvin Ramsey
>>>>>>> <calvinlram...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Knowledge of God (knowledge that there is a Supreme Being) is a
>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>> that every person has...
>>>>>> Ramsey just can't stop lying, Can he?
>>>>> Again, you can only attack the messenger.
>>>>> But never the message.
>>> What "message" was the in-your-face, question-begging, mentally ill
>>> obsessive lying about?
>> Thanks for asking.
>> The message was that the knowledge of God (knowledge that there is a
>> Supreme Being) is a knowledge that every person has. It is a knowledge that
>> is "manifest" (evident) in every individual and knowledge that the wicked
>> "suppress" (Rom. 1:18-19). It is a knowledge that consists of God’s
>> invisible
>> qualities, "His eternal power and Godhead," and a knowledge that is so
>> "clearly seen" that men are "without excuse" (Rom. 1:20). Whether this
>> knowledge can best be described as innate (an endowment by God of every
>> man), or intuitive (an automatic knowledge that arises within the
>> individual
>> because of that which is communicated to him from around him), or a
>> combination of the two, the point is that every individual has this
>> knowledge.
>> It is a knowledge that no man is without.
> Hmm methinks Ramsey regards everybody as thinking as he does and with
> the same god obessions he has.
So that would make everything you have to say after that nothing more than
your own personal subjective opinion.
[snip self-confessed person subjective opinion]
>> To be man is to have knowledge of God; the knowledge is not probable but
>> certain, not a possibility for man but a reality for man. The reasoning and
>> arguments of man do not destroy this knowledge, for the knowledge is an
>> integral part of every man. And it has been there "since the creation of the
>> world" (Rom. 1:20). Man may deny it; man may reject it; but the knowledge
>> remains.
>> To think is to think of God. In fact, one cannot think and not think of
>> God, for
>> God is inescapable. This is to say that God is not the highest evolving
>> thought
> and this confirms what I say above.
Which is nothing but you expressing your own unsubstantiated opinion,
[snip unsubstantiated opinion]
>> of man but that the God-thought is consistent with what it is for man to be
>> man. The Creator made the creature capable of thinking, and when the
>> creature thinks he thinks of the Creator—he cannot do otherwise. Written in
>> the universe around man and written on the heart within man is the fact of
>> God. Man thinks of God because God has impressed man indelibly with
>> Himself. No thinking is possible without God, and no thinking is possible
>> without God in the thinking. Really, no thought has meaning unless God is.
>> To think is to face God. To be man is to know that God is God.
>>>>> Thank-you for agreeing with the message.
> Which is patently not true [snip argumentum ad hominem attack]
I'm assuming you have proof for that assertion of yours.
Because if you don't, then I have proof that you are a liar.
>>> Somebody ask the pathological liar what "message" he imagines I am
>>> agreeing with?
>> I'm glad you asked.
>> It goes something like this:
>> Knowledge of God (knowledge that there is a Supreme Being) is a knowledge
>> that every person has. It is a knowledge that is "manifest" (evident) in
>> every
>> individual and knowledge that the wicked "suppress" (Rom. 1:18-19). It is a
>> knowledge that consists of God’s invisible qualities, "His eternal power and
>> Godhead," and a knowledge that is so "clearly seen" that men are "without
>> excuse" (Rom. 1:20). Whether this knowledge can best be described as innate
>> (an endowment by God of every man), or intuitive (an automatic knowledge
>> that arises within the individual because of that which is communicated to
>> him from around him), or a combination of the two, the point is that every
>> individual has this knowledge. It is a knowledge that no man is without.
>> To be man is to have knowledge of God; the knowledge is not probable but
>> certain, not a possibility for man but a reality for man. The reasoning and
>> arguments of man do not destroy this knowledge, for the knowledge is an
>> integral part of every man. And it has been there "since the creation of the
>> world" (Rom. 1:20). Man may deny it; man may reject it; but the knowledge
>> remains.
>> To think is to think of God. In fact, one cannot think and not think of
>> God, for
>> God is inescapable. This is to say that God is not the highest evolving
>> thought
>> of man but that the God-thought is consistent with what it is for man to be
>> man. The Creator made the creature capable of thinking, and when the
>> creature thinks he thinks of the Creator—he cannot do otherwise. Written in
>> the universe around man and written on the heart within man is the fact of
>> God. Man thinks of God because God has impressed man indelibly with
>> Himself. No thinking is possible without God, and no thinking is possible
>> without God in the thinking. Really, no thought has meaning unless God is.
>> To think is to face God. To be man is to know that God is God.
>>> It has never got to that stage, and never will unless he proves his
>>> bullshit.
>> Doesn't need proving.
>> That's all part of what "innate knowledge" means.
> If true
> What one individual may regard as 'innate knowledge' may well be
> personal only to the individual [snip subjective unsubstantiated opinion]
Only I'm not. I'm speaking of the self-authenticating authority of the
Bible, which
you can only deny and disbelieve, but never disprove.
"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law
requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the
law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting
thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my
gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."
--Romans 2:14-16 "ESV)
"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown
it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and
divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of
the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without
excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or
give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools."
--Romans 1:19-22 (ESV)
>> Because if you don't, then that makes *you* a liar. And an obsessive
>> serial liar at that. See how that works? You're welcome.
> Ramsey has been given several opportunities to demonstrate
> the truth of his assertions and has failed every time.
I've only failed with those whose minds are already blinded to the truth
of the
Gospel of God, and who hourly have to try convincing themselves there is
no God
that they will have to answer to.
Besides you fool yourself by placing yourself upon a pedestal and
imagine that
I am trying to get you to believe anything. It is you who first
responded to me,
thinking it was to you I was directing my posts. That can very easily
be taken
as a clear indication of an over-indulging self-centered narcissism.
>>>> You seem to have a complete disconnect with reality and you seem to be
>>>> completely unable to process information given to you by others.
>> You call it information.
>> But without proper proof, then subjective personal opinion is what I
>> call it.
>>>> Totally delusional.
>>> Seriously mentally ill.
>>> He needs psychiatric treatment before he goes postal.
>>> It's not a case of "if" but "when" he will.
>>> And when he does I hope he doesn't take anybody else down with him.
>>> Even suicide by cop traumatises the officer.
>>>> <shrugs>
>> You guys may not know it, but argumentum ad hominem (attacking the
>> messenger)
>> is just another way of saying that you are totally incapable and unable
>> to attack the
>> message. It's out of your reach. It's even out of your league.
> There is some merit in this but when the message is nothing more
> that the persons own thoughts and beliefs projected onto everybody
> else
And you are mistaken by that false assertion, as I've previously shown.
As a reminder, taken from the immutable Word of God:
"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law
requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the
law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts,
while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting
thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my
gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."
--Romans 2:14-16 "ESV)
"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown
it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and
divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of
the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without
excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or
give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools."
--Romans 1:19-22 (ESV)
But since you continue to think that I am fabricating all of this
myself, and thereby
proving that you are only expressing an obvious and unsubstantiated
personal
subjective opinion, while at the same time, aggrandizing yourself to the
position of
a self-appointed Prophet, everything you have to say should only be
treated as such.
> As such the religious have no message to bring but only proclaim
> their own worthless relgious beliefs and faith which they cannot
> demonstrate the truth of it.
Only to those whose minds are blinded to the truth of the Gospel of God,
and who thereby repress and deny the knowledge of their accountability
to God, which is already innately possessed by them, and cannot be
eradicated from their consciences.
