The Knowledge of God is Innate - 03

[Calvin Ramsey]

In the second place, there are intuitions of the intellect. That is, there
are certain truths which the mind perceives to be true immediately,
without proof or testimony. Such are the axioms of geometry. No man
needs to have it proved to him that the part of a thing is less than the
whole; or that a straight line is the shortest distance between two given
points. It is an intuitive truth that “nothing” cannot be a cause; that
every effect must have a cause. This conviction is not founded on
experience, because experience is of necessity limited. And the
conviction is not merely that every effect which we or other men have
observed has had a cause; but that in the nature of things there can be
no effect without an adequate cause. This conviction is said to be an
innate truth, not because the child is born with it so that it is included
in its infant consciousness, nor because the abstract principle is laid up
in the mind, but simply because such is the nature of the mind, that it
cannot but see these things to be true. As we are born with the sense of
touch and sight, and take cognizance of their appropriate objects as soon
as they are presented; so we are born with the intellectual faculty of
perceiving these primary truths as soon as they are presented.


For those of you with an interest in learning about Augustinianism
and Predestination as well as other fascinating topics, you will find
lots of articles to read or listen to on your mp3 player, while at home
or at work, from these websites:

*See especially* : http://www.the-highway.com/Calvinism_Meeter.html

http://monergism.com/

http://monergism.com/mp3/

http://monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/whatismonergism2.html

http://calvinistcorner.com/predestination.htm

http://ccel.org/

http://reformed.org/calvinism/

http://reformedreader.org/

http://carm.org/predestination-and-election

http://the-highway.com/predestination_index.html

http://albatrus.org/english/theology/predestination/verses_concerning_predestination.htm

http://nicenecouncil.com/media/

http://the-highway.com/calvinism.html

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

http://scienceagainstevolution.org/

http://leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/

http://wordofhisgrace.org/science.html

http://godandscience.org/

http://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/

http://www.whitehorseinn.org/

http://spurgeon.org/~phil/hall.htm

http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/classic.htm

http://wabashcenter.wabash.edu/resources/result_browse.aspx?topic=675&pid=650

http://puritansermons.com/toc.htm

http://grmi.org/renewal/Richard_Riss/evidences/

[sbalneav]

Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:

> that
> every effect must have a cause.

What caused God?

--
__ _ | Take eight minutes and divide by 90 million lonely miles,
(_ |_) | and watch a shadow cross the floor.
__)|_) | We don't live here anymore. -- The Weakerthans

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> that
>> every effect must have a cause.
>
> What caused God?

I've already answered that question.

Look it up.

[sbalneav]

Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>
>>> that
>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>
>> What caused God?
>
> I've already answered that question.
>
> Look it up.

Evasion noted.

--
__ _ | There are two types of people in the world:
(_ |_) | 1. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
__)|_) |

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 11/9/2012 4:18 PM, sbalneav wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> that
>>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>>
>>> What caused God?
>>
>> I've already answered that question.
>>
>> Look it up.
>
> Evasion noted.
>

I always avoid catering to ignorant people.

[sbalneav]

Adhom noted.

--
__ _ | Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and
(_ |_) | sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea
__)|_) | is quite staggering. -- Arthur C. Clarke

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 11/9/2012 4:36 PM, sbalneav wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 11/9/2012 4:18 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> What caused God?
>>>>
>>>> I've already answered that question.
>>>>
>>>> Look it up.
>>>
>>> Evasion noted.
>>>
>>
>> I always avoid catering to ignorant people.
>
> Adhom noted.

You have no message, and I have proof you're being ignorant.

And now I have proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

[sbalneav]

Bluster and false claims of proof noted.

--
__ _ | The book you don't read won't help.
(_ |_) | -- Jim Rohn
__)|_) |

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 11/9/2012 9:20 PM, sbalneav wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 11/9/2012 4:36 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2012 4:18 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What caused God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already answered that question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evasion noted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always avoid catering to ignorant people.
>>>
>>> Adhom noted.
>>
>> You have no message, and I have proof you're being ignorant.
>>
>> And now I have proof you have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> Bluster and false claims of proof noted.
>

I know that if that were so you could show me where and how it was a
"false claim".

But, I also know that you cannot possibly do that.

Therefore, I know that your last post is itself a "false claim", and I
that I have reduced
you to only making "false claims".

I know I can very comfortably live with that fact.

I don't know how you can.

<smirk>

[Catpain 'Merca]

Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote in news:k7kk2h$mrs$1@dont-
email.me:

Calvin, you smirking bag of barf, are you still on AA trying to peddle
your sack of lies? Readers of AA are hardly likely to be taken in by your
smug little attempts to promote an insane psychopathic gawd who tortures
his children needlessly forever. Calvinist theological masturbation based
upon bronze age myths just won't cut it in this newsgroup.

Now, with regard to your parentage and ability, you give every indication
of being the first product of amature cross-species artificial
insemination. Your momma not being able to avail herself of a Garp,
contented herself by shoving up herself a rag soaked in the cum of a
syphillitic camel. Eight months later, while trying to push a big one out
in the middle of the street she was met with your afterbirth soaked bonce
and vacant eyes. Disappointed that it wasn't the turd she had hoped for
she dragged you home to her box bouncing your pointy little dome as she
loped along. The resulting knocks and the copious amounts of hommE skulin
you subsequently received have served to make you one of the most
laughable dipshits ever to disgrace a newsfroup.

In short, to call you a tard would be an insult to tards everywhere. You
are a waste of atoms and it would be best if your carer simply let you
take that swim in the deep end without your floaties instead of propping
you up at the peck and type attached to the computer provided by social
services.

You really should fuck off immediately.

Catpain 'Merca

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[Les]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:20:09 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav
<sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:

>Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 11/9/2012 4:36 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2012 4:18 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What caused God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already answered that question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Evasion noted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always avoid catering to ignorant people.
>>>
>>> Adhom noted.
>>
>> You have no message, and I have proof you're being ignorant.
>>
>> And now I have proof you have no idea what you're talking about.
>
>Bluster and false claims of proof noted.

Well it is difficult to see into the whirly-gig tormented mind of the
madman so I may have this wrong but I think this series of posts is
intended to be his proof of this god he is certain of.

He began by asserting what to him was a blinding truth. We all
(well all men - women do not count it seems) have this knowledge
of god and this is proof it exists.

Even in his madness he knows he cannot claim look into everybodies
mind to prove it is so hence all this whirly-gig talk talk about
inate, intuition, sense perception, the shortest distance between two
points being straight lines, and goodness knows what else, all of
which is probably fascinting to him.

It is typical of the kinds of arguments we see from Christians when
they attempt tp prove something but don't. Disjointed mixing in of
things known (such as the shortest distance between two points on the
earth suface being a 'great circle') but no real logical connections
between them. Just a seemingly whirly gig of disconnected thoughts.

He will have likely rehearsed all this in his (fevered?) mind over and
over again maybe even for years, maybe even written and rewritten it
to the point it is blindingly obvious to him but forgetting and
ignoring all the flaws that any intelligent person would quickly spot
should they be bothered to look, but that is the nature of madness as
only they see what to them is a perfect truth and cannot understand
why it is not equally obvious to others.




Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"For the assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to
knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.” Therefore, the
former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. "
- William Lane Craig, "Reasonable Faith"

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 11/10/2012 6:58 AM, Les wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:20:09 +0000 (UTC), sbalneav
> <sbal...@alburg.net> wrote:
>
>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2012 4:36 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/9/2012 4:18 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/9/2012 2:52 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>>>>>>> Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> every effect must have a cause.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What caused God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've already answered that question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evasion noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I always avoid catering to ignorant people.
>>>>
>>>> Adhom noted.
>>>
>>> You have no message, and I have proof you're being ignorant.
>>>
>>> And now I have proof you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>
>> Bluster and false claims of proof noted.
>
> Well it is difficult to see into the whirly-gig tormented mind of the
> madman so I may have this wrong but I think this series of posts is
> intended to be his proof of this god he is certain of.

You still haven't looked up the definition of the word "innate" yet?

Then you're a perfect example of the word "ignorant".

<smirk>

[Budikka666]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/e789f4adad4e8fad?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/5ddc9354493b62b3?scoring=d&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/5cfb83a18dbc7442?scoring=d&

[sbalneav]

And you still haven't reconciled how all men have an "innate" knowledge of God,
yet this same God, you claim, also predestines some for destruction. If ALL
men have an innate knowledge of God, then all should be elect, no?

--
__ _ | When I got my library card, that's when my life began.
(_ |_) | -- Rita Mae Brown.
__)|_) |

[Les]

Can you be a bit more specific about this these alleged denials
please?

[Calvin Ramsey]

Yes I have.

You would rather be ignorant and pretend I haven't already told you
where to look
for the answer.

That's your problem you choose to have.

Now you must learn how to deal with it.

<smirk>

[sbalneav]

Nope, you haven't. You waved your arms, but didn't answer the question.

As usual.

--
__ _ | You have succeeded in life when all you really want
(_ |_) | is only what you really need.
__)|_) | -- Vernon Howard

[Calvin Ramsey]

Yes, I have.