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Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:13:37 AM2/11/12
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As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc..
So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
Method.
They're all against belief of any kind!
anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
etc..
So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
Method.
They're all against belief of any kind!
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 4:17:09 AM2/11/12
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On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything:
You don't understand it.
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything:
> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> etc..
> So what do they believe in?
varied.
> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
overwhelming majority do).
> They're all against belief of any kind!
is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
quality of atheism.
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:23:02 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>
> > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > anything:
>
> You don't understand it.
>
> > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > etc..
>
> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > So what do they believe in?
>
> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> varied.
>
> > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>
> > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > anything:
>
> You don't understand it.
>
> > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > etc..
>
> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > So what do they believe in?
>
> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> varied.
>
> > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
"believing" in.
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 4:24:25 AM2/11/12
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On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>> anything:
>>
>> You don't understand it.
>>
>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>>> etc..
>>
>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>>
>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
>> varied.
>>
>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>>
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>> anything:
>>
>> You don't understand it.
>>
>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>>> etc..
>>
>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>>
>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
>> varied.
>>
>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>>
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:29:59 AM2/11/12
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What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
the Scientific Method?
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 4:48:04 AM2/11/12
to
have a demonstrable positive impact on us as a species.
> What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
> form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
> What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
> the Scientific Method?
Loirbaj
Feb 11, 2012, 4:51:07 AM2/11/12
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Atheists make the faith claim
I believe no god exists.
And of course, as it is impossible to
prove this negative, their entire belief
system is instantly falsified.
I believe no god exists.
And of course, as it is impossible to
prove this negative, their entire belief
system is instantly falsified.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 11, 2012, 4:56:16 AM2/11/12
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On 2012-Feb-11 01:23, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>> anything:
>>
>> You don't understand it.
>>
>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>>> etc..
>>
>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>>
>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
>> varied.
>>
>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
Deities and Human Rights can't really be compared because one is an
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>> anything:
>>
>> You don't understand it.
>>
>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>>> etc..
>>
>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>>
>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
>> varied.
>>
>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
[alleged] entity while the other starts out as a philosophy...
Deities are, according to those who believe in them, life forms that are
not detectable for a variety of mysterious reasons. Although many
people claim that deities are real, I've yet to encounter verifiable
evidence that clearly confirms such beliefs.
Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
(with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
>> You're wrong.
>>
>>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>>> Method.
>>
>> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
>> overwhelming majority do).
>>
>>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>>
>> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
>> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
>> quality of atheism.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 4:55:03 AM2/11/12
to
major impact on us as a species.
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 5:04:20 AM2/11/12
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Have a nice day.
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 5:06:52 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 9:56 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
Except nowadays, they don't burn the defendants. They simply lock them
up.
From whence are those Rights derived?
<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
So a kind of Spanish Inquisition enforces the belief in Human Rights?
> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
Except nowadays, they don't burn the defendants. They simply lock them
up.
From whence are those Rights derived?
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 5:10:40 AM2/11/12
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Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 5:16:00 AM2/11/12
to
enforce belief in deities.
Essentially and in practice, there is much in common, in the way
beliefs in Human Rights and Gods are enforced: both can be compared
to the Trials of Witches.
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 5:17:39 AM2/11/12
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On 2/11/2012 2:16 AM, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 10:10 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 2:06 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 9:56 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
>>>> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
>>>> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
>>>> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
>>>> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
>>>> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
>>
>>> So a kind of Spanish Inquisition enforces the belief in Human Rights?
>>
>>> Except nowadays, they don't burn the defendants. They simply lock them
>>> up.
>>
>>> From whence are those Rights derived?
>>
>> This is something beyond the realm of belief in deities.
>
> Not really, as the Spanish and other Inquisitions have often sat to
> enforce belief in deities.
Right.
> On Feb 11, 10:10 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 2:06 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 9:56 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
>>>> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
>>>> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
>>>> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
>>>> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
>>>> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
>>
>>> So a kind of Spanish Inquisition enforces the belief in Human Rights?
>>
>>> Except nowadays, they don't burn the defendants. They simply lock them
>>> up.
>>
>>> From whence are those Rights derived?
>>
>> This is something beyond the realm of belief in deities.
>
> Not really, as the Spanish and other Inquisitions have often sat to
> enforce belief in deities.
> Essentially and in practice, there is much in common, in the way
> beliefs in Human Rights and Gods are enforced: both can be compared
> to the Trials of Witches.
Doc Smartass
Feb 11, 2012, 5:27:58 AM2/11/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ac8109eb-c0f8-47de-a661-
28bd6d...@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
I believe you need to do better.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
28bd6d...@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
I believe you need to do better.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 11, 2012, 5:30:36 AM2/11/12
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On 2012-Feb-11 02:06, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:56 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
>> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
>> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
>> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
>> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
>> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
>> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
>
> So a kind of Spanish Inquisition enforces the belief in Human Rights?
No. The Spanish Inquisition was an instrument of war, and the brutally
> On Feb 11, 9:56 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
>> Human Rights are a philosophy expressed with legal constructs (laws and
>> regulations) that can be utilized or challenged within a judicial system
>> (with or without assistance from lawyers), and are preserved or enforced
>> by policing and military authorities (generally on an as-needed basis).
>> They are designed to protect a variety of fundamental ideas typically
>> with a basis in ensuring many freedoms.
>
> So a kind of Spanish Inquisition enforces the belief in Human Rights?
horrific act of torture committed in the execution of that inquisition
would be serious violations of basic human rights by today's standards.
Also: Human rights are not a belief system -- they're a set of
standards which are implemented by way of enacting and enforcing various
laws and regulations so as to be of benefit to society.
> Except nowadays, they don't burn the defendants. They simply lock them
> up.
and technically, because a great deal of burning occurs, we can
truthfully say that some defendants still do get burned today.]
In order for laws to be effective, consequences must be attached to
offenses. Punishments such as prison time or execution serve as one
example of such consequences. This system of consequences usually fits
quite well with the idea that when someone violates another's rights
that they should lose entitlement to their rights and/or those rights
which they violated (the punishment and its duration are an aspect of
one solution for the temporary or permanent suspension of the offender's
rights) in a manner suitable as punishment for their crime.
> From whence are those Rights derived?
world and are gradually being improved and updated.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 5:39:03 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
wrote:
> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
So you "believe in" something?
The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
party.
The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
wrote:
> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
party.
The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
Don Kresch
Feb 11, 2012, 6:15:27 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
<cjdro...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>anything
No, that's nihilism.
Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
<cjdro...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>anything
Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
John Baker
Feb 11, 2012, 7:08:52 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
example, I believe you're an idiot.
Steve O
Feb 11, 2012, 7:13:07 AM2/11/12
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On 11/02/2012 10:39, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
And in this context it's used to describe a person who posts a stupid
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
question designed to provoke a hostile response, or being a prick on the
internet because you can.
So fuck off troll.
See?- There's your hostile response for you!
>
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
I think he's a lot smarter than you.
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
But I doubt if he'd see that as a compliment.
>
>
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 7:35:13 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 12:13 pm, Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
> So fuck off troll.
> See?- There's your hostile response for you!
Clearly, you were born in Turdistan.
> So fuck off troll.
> See?- There's your hostile response for you!
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 7:49:08 AM2/11/12
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I am not absolutely certain that the Deity that Atheists as a class
and in general do not believe in is exactly the same as the Deity that
I do not believe in. Or do we have a Polytheistic set of non-existent
deities?
Recorder
Feb 11, 2012, 7:41:16 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 11:15 am, Don Kresch <spamca...@spamcatch.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>
> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >anything
>
> No, that's nihilism.
>
> Don
> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
So the issue is what is the significant difference in and between
> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >anything
>
> No, that's nihilism.
>
> Don
> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they " believe
in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a clear
unambiguous distinction can be made.
I believe in "xyzswasded":
In one dictionary "xyzswasded" means and is translated as God
In another it is translated as Fear of Oneself
In another it is described as Shangri-La
walksalone
Feb 11, 2012, 8:27:20 AM2/11/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:468afaac-9c84-486a-90e4-
d7239a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
Make it easy on yourself. Which of the following deities do not believe
in, & why. Once you figure that out, if you hold a deity as a given,
apply the same criteria to it. You may just become an atheist & not just
atheistic abpout some god claims.
Apologies all,
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
GOD ALERT IN EFFECT.
That is all.
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Itztli
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Ixtlilton
Teteoinnan
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Tezcacoac Ayopechtli
Tozi
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Co(co)chimetl
Yacacoliuhqui
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Xolotl
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Metztli
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Coatlicue
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Kundalini
Moyocoyanl
Telpochtli
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Ehecatl-Quetzalcoatl
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Tonacacihuatl
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Mexitli
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Painal
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Sirtur
Kulla
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Sin
Ennugi
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Kakka
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Tai-Sui-Jing
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Tien Mu
Tou Mou
Tsai Shen
Tu (l)
Tzu Sun Niangniang
Wong Taisin
Yen Kuang Niang Niang
Yu-Chiang
God
Kavra'nna
Kere'tkun
Ku'urkil
Lietna'irgin
Na' chitna'irgin
Mratna'irgin
Nu'tenut
Picvu'cin
Tenanto'mni
Tne'sqan
Va'irgin
Wu'squus
Sisyphos
Dictynna
Wakan Tanka
Nerthus
Deng
Amma (2)
Nommo
Amma (l)
Ammavaru
Ankalamman
Bala-Sakti
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Cenkalaniyammal
Ellaman
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Gal Bapsi
Kamaksi
Korravai
Mal
Manmatha
Mari (I)
Mariyamman
Mayon
Munisvara
Murukan
Muttalamman
Napp~nnai
Nediyon
END GOD ALERT.
Now, if you need a working definition for the gods, the following might
help.
Requirements or attributes of the gods, goddesses & other divinities of
the human species. [Incomplete]
Anthropomorphic
A: Must be supernatural [applies to every divinity declared]
B: May or may not be able to have a visible body [Zeus & the Greek
pantheon as an example]
C: May or may not interfere in human activity or destiny.
D: May or may not be good, evil, or apathetic where humans are
concerned.
E: May or may not be a divine through their own will, may be a
victim
of apotheosis [the Chinese pantheon is a good example of these types of
gods.]
Demons: Now there is a thought, Demons as gods. Indeed, they are, lessor
gods to be sure, but more powerful than some gods, less powerful than
others.
Dwarves &/or Elves: Though two distinct races, dwarves are found in
worldwide mythology as well as European. Elves, tend to be Nordic &
Germanic in origin.
Fates: They are common to the classical myths as well as the European
ones.
Fairies, or the wee folk: A class of gods that include everything from
Brownies to Knockers & beyond. Some are good, & some like Red Hat, are
not.
Giants: though supernatural as understood in the myths of the world,
they are not necessary known to have god like powers as most understand
the term.
Gods & goddesses: I hope this class does not need more explanation.
Spirits: are all supernatural, even those that are the spirits of humans
or animals that have not went on to where good spirits are entitled to
go.
Animistic, all living creatures, including plant life
Astral/solar All heavenly bodies
OK, you meant a messianic god, well, here is more to consider.
What is a Messiah?
Messiah comes from the Hebrew word for "anointed one" which is pronounced
"Moshiach".
Kings,prophets, and priests were all anointed. So they were all Messiahs.
In the Tanach you can break prophecy into two groups,the immediate
prophecies. and the long term prophecies.
Immediate prophecies are just that;prophecies that take place not long
after they are given. Long term prophecies are another category
altogether.
These prophecies can be construed as Messianic,since they refer to the
Messianic era.
These prophecies that refer to future king are the ones that refer to the
Messiah himself.
We call him the Messiah by convention because all kings were
messiahs,since they were all anointed.Here are just some of the Messianic
age prophecies that I expect to happen when the Messiah comes.
World peace Is 2:4 "And he shall judge amongst the nations,and shall
rebuke many people,and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,and
their spears into prunning hooks;nation shall not lift up sword against
nation,neither shall they learn war anymore." See also Is 11:6-7 Ez
34:25
Universal knowledge and recognition of G-d Is 11:9 "They shall not hurt
nor destroy in all my holy mountain"for the earth shall be full of the
knowledge of the L-rd,as the waters cover the sea." See also Jer 31:34
Resurrection of the dead Is 26:19 "Your dead men shall live(together
with)my dead body shall they arise.Awake and sing,you that dwell in the
dust for you dew(is as) the dew of herbs and the earth shall cast out the
dead." See alsoEz 37:12
The ingathering of the Jewish exiles Jer 23:8 "But the L-rd lives,which
brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the
north ,and from all countries where I had driven them;and they shall
dwell in their own land." See also Is 11:11,43:5
The building of the third and final Temple Ez 37:26 "Moreover I will make
a tabernacle of peace with them;it shall be an everlasting covenant with
them;and I will place them,and multiply them and will set my sanctuary in
the midst of them for evermore" Continue with verses 27,28.
Gentiles will join the Jews in worshiping G-d Zech 8:23 "Thus say the L-
rd of hosts,in those days it shall come to pass that ten men out of all
the languages of the nations shall take hold of the clothing of him that
is a Jew,saying.We will go with you ,for we have heard that G-d is with
you".
Idolatory will cease completely Is 2:13-18
The gentiles will celebrate Shabbat Is 66:23 "And it shall come to
pass,that from one new moon to another and from one Shabbat to
another,shall all flesh come to worship before Me,said the L-rd''.
If the Messiah accomplishes some of these prophecies and fails in others
then he is not the Messiah.
Is 42:4 "He shall not fail or be crushed until he has set the right in
the earth".
HTH
wlksalone who suspects this is a case of second verse, same as the first.
But I could be wrong.
If not, it's not as if we haven't heard it before.
Emporeere's new clothes anyone.
d7239a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
in, & why. Once you figure that out, if you hold a deity as a given,
apply the same criteria to it. You may just become an atheist & not just
atheistic abpout some god claims.
Apologies all,
WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
GOD ALERT IN EFFECT.
That is all.
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Sa
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Tzontemoc
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Atl
Ce Acatl
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Nanahuatl
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Quiahuitl
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Yoalli Ehecatl
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Totoltecatl
Xilonen
Xipe Totec
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Xochiquetzal-Ichpuchtli
yauhqueme
Huehuetotl
Inta
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Opochtli
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Itztli
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Huehuecoyotl
Ixtlilton
Teteoinnan
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Tezcacoac Ayopechtli
Tozi
Zapotlantenan
Co(co)chimetl
Yacacoliuhqui
Yacapitzahuac
Xolotl
Xolotl Nanahuatl
Metztli
Tecciztecatl
Coatlicue
Itzpapalotl
Itzpapalotl-ltzcueye
Kundalini
Moyocoyanl
Telpochtli
Titlacahuan
Yaotl
Chalchiuhtotolin
Cipactli
Ehecatl-Quetzalcoatl
Ometeotl
Tonacacihuatl
Tonacatccuhtli
Omacatl
Huitzilpochtli
Tezcatlipoca
Ometecuhtli
Tezcatlipoca-Itzlacoliuhqui
Mexitli
Mixcoatl-Camaxtli
Painal
Teicauhtzin
Tetzahauteotl
Tetzahuitl
Teuhcatl
Tlacahuepan
Amimitl
Atlahua
Chalchiuhtlatonal
Chalchiuhtlicue
Nahui Ehecatl
Tlaloc
Dagan
Dumuzi
Kus
Sakka(n)
Sirtur
Kulla
Ninegal
Nin-Ildu
Ninkarnunna
Siduri
A-a
Igigi
Mes An Du
Samas
Sin
Ennugi
Hani(s)
Ilabrat
Kakka
Sullat
Belet-Seri
Birdu
Enmesarra
Ereskigal
Galla
Lugal-Irra
Manungal
Nammu
Nergal
Neti
Ninkigal
Sulman(u}
Bel
Beltiya
Ninsun(a)
Antu
Anu
Marduk
Ama-arhus
Amasagnul
Asnan
Baba
Gatumdug
Istar
Nanaja
Ningal
Ningikuga
Nin-Imma
Nin'insinna
Sarra Itu
Ua Ildak
Gerra
Isum
Alad Udug Lama
Anunnaki
Assur
Ningirsu
Pa-bil-sag
Sirsir
Tispak
Tutu
Gestu
Hendursaga
Mamitu
Mandanu
Ningis Zi Da
Nusku
Ningirama
Gula
Isara
Zarpanitu(m)
Asalluha
Ninsubur
Papsukkal
Aya
Belet-Ili
Damgalnuna
Mami
Ninhursaga
Ninkurra
Ninmah
Nintu
Nunbarsegunu
Ansar
Kisar
Lahmu
Tiamat
Enzu
Gunura
Hahanu
Lulal
Mulliltu
Ningilin
Tasmetu(m)
Erra
Mes Lam Taea
Pap-nigin-gara
Sara
Sala
Sebitti
Zababa
Apsu
Ea
Enbilulu
Sirara
Adad
Im
Ninurta
Wer
Nabu
Lubangala
Ma Kiela
Nzambi
Pekko
Triglav
Faro
Muso Koroni
Pemba
Teliko
Arebati
Jakomba
Libanza
Nsongo
Maju
Mari (2)
Unumbote
Mbotumbo
Niamye
Raluvimbha
Alk'unta'm
Anaulikutsai'x
Lalaia'il
Qamai'ts
Senx
Snulk' ulxa'ls
Toa'lalit
Fidi MukuIlu
Bonchor
Bhagavan
Kuntu bXan Po
dMu-bDud Kam-Po Sa-Zan
gSan Sgrub
gShen-Lha-Odkhar
gShen-Rab
Sipe Gialmo
Thab-Iha
Mahaprabhu
Bumba
Akasagarbha
Budha
Marici
Myoken-Bodhisattva
Ajaya
Durjaya
Kamini
Karini
Kesini
Mahayasa
Mahodadhi
Manidhara
Ostaraki
Priyadarsana
Rupini
Srivasumukhi
Srivasundhara
Subhaga
Subhamekhala
Sumalini
Sundara
Suraksini
Upakesini
Vadali
Varahmukhi
Vasumatisri
Vasusri
Vikalaratri
Pancamukha-Patradeva
Abhimukhi
Adhimukticarya
Arcismati
Dharmamegha
Prabhakari
Pramudita
Sadhumati
Samantaprabha
Sudurjaya
Vimala
Amoghapasa
Arapacana
Avalokitesvara
Gaganaganja
Hevajira
Jalinprabha
Khasaparna
Ksitigarbha
Kwannon
Maitreya
Mamaki
Manjusri
Mi-Lo Fo
Padmapani
Pratibhanakuta
Sagaramati
Sitapatra
Surangama
Vajragarbha
Vasudhara
Bhumi
Bodhisattva
Dharani
Dhyanibuddha
Dhyanibuddhasakti
Lokesvara
Maharaksa
Mahavidya
Sakti
Tara
Ghantapani
Mahasthama(prapta)
Ratnapani
Samantabhadra
Sarvanivaranaviskambhin
Sarvapayanjaha
Sarvasokatamonirghatamati
Buddhakapala
Candarosana
Dhanada
Dhvajagrakeyura
Grahamatrka
Heruka
Jambhala
Jnanadakini
Mahamayuri
Mahapratyamrga
Mahasri- Tara
Manjughosa
Mayajalakrama-Kurukulla
Nairamata
Namasangiti
Rakta-Yamari
Sadbhuja-Sitatara
Sukla-Tara
Ucchusma
Vac
Vajracarcika
Vajradaka
Vajramrta
Vajrapani
Vasya-tara
Vighnantaka
Aksobhya
Amitabha
Amoghasiddhi
Kun-Rig
Prasannatara
Ratnasambhava
Vairocana
Chattrosnisa
Dhrtarastra
Isa (l)
Dhvajosnisa
Mahabala
Padmantaka
Padmosnisa
Prajnantaka
Ratnosnisa
Sumbha
5umbharaja
Takkiraja
Tejosnisa
Tiksnosnisa
Vajraghanta
Vajrasphota
Vajrosnisa
Vayu (2)
Virudhaka
Virupaksa
Visvosnisa
Mara
Ekajata
Saubhagya-Bhuvanesvari
VidyujjvalakariJi
Buddha
Dadimunda
Dharmapala
Mahamantranusarini
Mahapratisara
Mahasahaspramardani
Mahasitavati
Mucalinda
Natha
Nliladanda
Pancaraksa
Patadharini
Samvara
Vidyraja
Hayasya
Pararnasva
Dharmadhatuvagisvara
Pradipatara
Ratnolka
Taditkara
Karai-Shin
Aksayajnana -Karmanda
Anantamukhi
Cunda
Mari (2)
Parna-Savari
PraJnavardhani
Prajnaparamita
Prajnavardhani
Sarvabuddhadharma-Kosavati
Sarvakarmavaranavisodhani
Sumati
Yamaduti
Kotisri
Maya(devi)
Yogesvari
Muraja
Vina
Arthapratisamvit
Balaparamita
Danaparamita
Jnanaparamita
Niruktipratisamvit
Paramita
Prajnaparamita
Pratibhanapratisamvit
Pratisamvit
Ratnaparamita
Silaparamita
Upayaparamita
Viryaparamita
Hariti
Halahala
Adibuddha
Amida
Suddhodana
Usnisavijaya
Vajradhara
Arya-Tara
Citrasena
Ganapatihrdaya
Kurukulla
Locana
Medha
Pandara
Prajna
Vajradhatvisvari
Vajrasrnkhala
Vagisvara
Dombi
Gauri
Ghasmari
Bhutadamara
Camunda
Candesvari
Carcika
Dhupatara
Dipa Tara
Gandha Tara
Garuda
Jayakara
Kakasya
Kaladuti
Karttikeya
Kulisesvari
Madhukara
Mahakapi
Mahaparinirvanamurti
Maha-Sarasvati
Puspatara
Sakra
Trailokyavijaya
Vajragandhari
Vajravidarani
Yamari
Yasodhara
Adhimuktivasita
Ayurvasita
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita
Cittavasita
Dharmavasita
]nanavasita
Karmavasita
Pariskaravasita
Pranidhanavasita
Riddhivasita
Upapattivasita
Dipankara
Sakyarnuni
Lha
Khen-Ma
Khen-Pa
Sri(devi)
Saraddevi
Avalokitesvara
Bi-har
Chos-Skyon
Gur-Gyi·Mgon-Po
Mahakala
Sadaksari (Lokesvara)
San-Dui
Yama
Yamantaka
Hayagriva
Dipa
Khyung-Gai mGo-Can
Bhrkuti- Tara
Dhupa
Gandha
Gita
Lasya
Mala
Nrtya
Puspa
Abhijnaraja
Asokottamasri
Bhaisajyaguru
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa
sMan-Bla
Sikhin
Sinhanada
Suparikirtitanamasri
Survarnabhadravimalaratnaprabhasa
Svaraghosaraja
Adidharma
Digambara
Grismadevi
Hemantadevi
Vasantadevi
Candali
Cauri
Mahacinatara
Pukkasi
Savari
Vetali
Nan-Sgrub
Phyi-Sgrub
Sitatara
Syamatara
Beg-Tse
Kibuka
Mukasa
Kaikara
Lubanga
Mugizi
Muhingo
Mulindwa
Munume
Ndaula
Ruhanga
Wamala
Imana
Anat
Arsay
Aserah
Asertu
Asratum
Athirat
Attar
Baal
Dagan (2)
El'eb
Elkunirsa
Haurun
Il
Kades
Mot
Pidray
Resep( A )mukal
Sapas
Sasuratum
Ma
Aphrodisias
Bugid Y Aiba
Faraguvol
Loa
Yocahu
Zemi
Caelestis
Gad
Tanit
Lamaria
Mirsa
Amaethon
Belenus
Govannon
Llew Llaw Gyffes
Lug
Ogmius .
Aine
Mor
Gobniu
Aed
Anu
A.rianrhod
Donn
Gwynn Ap Nudd
Herne
Midir
Pen Annwen
Pwyll
Rhiannon
Tuatha de Danann
Andarta
Banba
Bres Macelatha
Brigit
Divona
Cernunnos
Eriu
Macha
Morrigan
Onuava
Cocidius
Arvernus
Dagda
Flaitheas
Maponos
Epona
Ceridwen
Diancecht
Lenus
Aufaniae
Don
Maeve
Modron
Sheela Na Gig
Danu (I)
Aengus
Lir
Yspaddac
Tailtiu
Badb
Camulos
Belatucadros
Cathubodua
Esus
Gwydion
Morvran
Neit
Nuadu
Smertrios
Boann
Condatis
Iccovellauna
Manannan (Mac Lir)
Manawyddan
Nantosuelta
Tegid Voel
Cailleach Bheur
Mabon
Maheo
Lendix - Tcux
Ni
Si
Ba
Chang Fei
Chang Hs'ien
Chi Sung Tzu
Chu Jung
Erh Lang
Feng Po
Fu Shen
Huang Ti
Hung Sheng
Kuei Shing
Lu Pan
Ma-zu
Men Shen
Nu Kua
Pao Kung
San Chou Niang Niang
Sao Ching Niang Niang
Shen Nung
Shou Lao
Sun Hou-Shi
T'ai Shan
Tai-Sui-Jing
T'ai Shan
Tai-Sui-Jing
T'ai Yi
Tam Kung
T'ao Hua Hsiennui
Tien Mu
Tou Mou
Tsai Shen
Tu (l)
Tzu Sun Niangniang
Wong Taisin
Yen Kuang Niang Niang
Yu-Chiang
God
Kavra'nna
Kere'tkun
Ku'urkil
Lietna'irgin
Na' chitna'irgin
Mratna'irgin
Nu'tenut
Picvu'cin
Tenanto'mni
Tne'sqan
Va'irgin
Wu'squus
Sisyphos
Dictynna
Wakan Tanka
Nerthus
Deng
Amma (2)
Nommo
Amma (l)
Ammavaru
Ankalamman
Bala-Sakti
Cankilikkaruppan
Cenkalaniyammal
Ellaman
Gajavahana
Gal Bapsi
Kamaksi
Korravai
Mal
Manmatha
Mari (I)
Mariyamman
Mayon
Munisvara
Murukan
Muttalamman
Napp~nnai
Nediyon
END GOD ALERT.
Now, if you need a working definition for the gods, the following might
help.
Requirements or attributes of the gods, goddesses & other divinities of
the human species. [Incomplete]
Anthropomorphic
A: Must be supernatural [applies to every divinity declared]
B: May or may not be able to have a visible body [Zeus & the Greek
pantheon as an example]
C: May or may not interfere in human activity or destiny.
D: May or may not be good, evil, or apathetic where humans are
concerned.
E: May or may not be a divine through their own will, may be a
victim
of apotheosis [the Chinese pantheon is a good example of these types of
gods.]
Demons: Now there is a thought, Demons as gods. Indeed, they are, lessor
gods to be sure, but more powerful than some gods, less powerful than
others.
Dwarves &/or Elves: Though two distinct races, dwarves are found in
worldwide mythology as well as European. Elves, tend to be Nordic &
Germanic in origin.
Fates: They are common to the classical myths as well as the European
ones.
Fairies, or the wee folk: A class of gods that include everything from
Brownies to Knockers & beyond. Some are good, & some like Red Hat, are
not.
Giants: though supernatural as understood in the myths of the world,
they are not necessary known to have god like powers as most understand
the term.
Gods & goddesses: I hope this class does not need more explanation.
Spirits: are all supernatural, even those that are the spirits of humans
or animals that have not went on to where good spirits are entitled to
go.
Animistic, all living creatures, including plant life
Astral/solar All heavenly bodies
OK, you meant a messianic god, well, here is more to consider.
What is a Messiah?
Messiah comes from the Hebrew word for "anointed one" which is pronounced
"Moshiach".
Kings,prophets, and priests were all anointed. So they were all Messiahs.
In the Tanach you can break prophecy into two groups,the immediate
prophecies. and the long term prophecies.
Immediate prophecies are just that;prophecies that take place not long
after they are given. Long term prophecies are another category
altogether.
These prophecies can be construed as Messianic,since they refer to the
Messianic era.
These prophecies that refer to future king are the ones that refer to the
Messiah himself.
We call him the Messiah by convention because all kings were
messiahs,since they were all anointed.Here are just some of the Messianic
age prophecies that I expect to happen when the Messiah comes.
World peace Is 2:4 "And he shall judge amongst the nations,and shall
rebuke many people,and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,and
their spears into prunning hooks;nation shall not lift up sword against
nation,neither shall they learn war anymore." See also Is 11:6-7 Ez
34:25
Universal knowledge and recognition of G-d Is 11:9 "They shall not hurt
nor destroy in all my holy mountain"for the earth shall be full of the
knowledge of the L-rd,as the waters cover the sea." See also Jer 31:34
Resurrection of the dead Is 26:19 "Your dead men shall live(together
with)my dead body shall they arise.Awake and sing,you that dwell in the
dust for you dew(is as) the dew of herbs and the earth shall cast out the
dead." See alsoEz 37:12
The ingathering of the Jewish exiles Jer 23:8 "But the L-rd lives,which
brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the
north ,and from all countries where I had driven them;and they shall
dwell in their own land." See also Is 11:11,43:5
The building of the third and final Temple Ez 37:26 "Moreover I will make
a tabernacle of peace with them;it shall be an everlasting covenant with
them;and I will place them,and multiply them and will set my sanctuary in
the midst of them for evermore" Continue with verses 27,28.
Gentiles will join the Jews in worshiping G-d Zech 8:23 "Thus say the L-
rd of hosts,in those days it shall come to pass that ten men out of all
the languages of the nations shall take hold of the clothing of him that
is a Jew,saying.We will go with you ,for we have heard that G-d is with
you".
Idolatory will cease completely Is 2:13-18
The gentiles will celebrate Shabbat Is 66:23 "And it shall come to
pass,that from one new moon to another and from one Shabbat to
another,shall all flesh come to worship before Me,said the L-rd''.
If the Messiah accomplishes some of these prophecies and fails in others
then he is not the Messiah.
Is 42:4 "He shall not fail or be crushed until he has set the right in
the earth".
HTH
wlksalone who suspects this is a case of second verse, same as the first.
But I could be wrong.
If not, it's not as if we haven't heard it before.
Emporeere's new clothes anyone.
raven1
Feb 11, 2012, 8:58:16 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
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raven1
Feb 11, 2012, 8:59:43 AM2/11/12
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David Duke
Feb 11, 2012, 9:22:33 AM2/11/12
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Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
The Ku Klux Klan are Christian, the Taliban and members of al-Queda
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
are Muslim.
Icons of the right Anders Behring Breivik and Timothy McVeigh were
both committed Christians.
At least they're not despicable Athiests.
There is nothing more disgusting than someone who doesn't have faith
in God.
We all know that without God, we would have no guidance.
The Grand Negus
Feb 11, 2012, 9:32:56 AM2/11/12
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David Duke wrote
If you ask me, those IRA blokes were pretty damn good Catholics when they
were setting off bombs in pubs, killing innocent people.
At least they believed in God.
were setting off bombs in pubs, killing innocent people.
At least they believed in God.
L.Roberts
Feb 11, 2012, 10:59:37 AM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 4:13 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
I believe it time for me to take a nap. Whether I am right or wrong to
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
believe that, I am still gonna take a nap. Your post is such a nice
soporific, maybe when I am less sleepy I'll see it for the comedy you
really intended it to be.
Frank Galikanokus
Feb 11, 2012, 11:06:44 AM2/11/12
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Recorder wrote:
>
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Human Rights must be claimed and defended.
JAM
>
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > anything:
> >
> >
> > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > anything:
> >
> > You don't understand it.
> >
> >
> > > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > > etc..
> >
> > > etc..
> >
> > Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
> >
> >
> > > So what do they believe in?
> >
> >
> > Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > varied.
> >
> > varied.
> >
> > > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >
> >
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
>
> > You're wrong.
> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
>
> >
> > > I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > > Method.
> >
> > > I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > > Method.
> >
> > Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > overwhelming majority do).
> >
> > overwhelming majority do).
> >
> > > They're all against belief of any kind!
> >
> >
> > Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > quality of atheism.
Deities do not exist, they are myth.
> > is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > quality of atheism.
Human Rights must be claimed and defended.
JAM
Frank Galikanokus
Feb 11, 2012, 11:07:46 AM2/11/12
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Recorder wrote:
>
> On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
JAM
>
> On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > >>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > >>> anything:
> >
> > >> You don't understand it.
> >
> > >>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > >>> etc..
> >
> > >> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
> >
> > >>> So what do they believe in?
> >
> > >> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > >> varied.
> >
> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >
> > > So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > > and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > > are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > > "believing" in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > >>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > >>> anything:
> >
> > >> You don't understand it.
> >
> > >>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > >>> etc..
> >
> > >> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
> >
> > >>> So what do they believe in?
> >
> > >> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > >> varied.
> >
> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >
> > > So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > > and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > > are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > > "believing" in.
> >
> > Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >> You're wrong.
> >
> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > >>> Method.
> >
> > >> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > >> overwhelming majority do).
> >
> > >>> They're all against belief of any kind!
> >
> > >> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > >> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >> quality of atheism.
>
> >
> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > >>> Method.
> >
> > >> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > >> overwhelming majority do).
> >
> > >>> They're all against belief of any kind!
> >
> > >> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > >> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >> quality of atheism.
>
> What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>
>
> What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
> form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>
> form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>
> What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
> the Scientific Method?
You would be making yourself out a fool.
> the Scientific Method?
JAM
Frank Galikanokus
Feb 11, 2012, 11:08:44 AM2/11/12
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JAM
MarkA
Feb 11, 2012, 11:16:18 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800, Recorder wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
THIS particular atheist has a strong belief in the merits of troll
feeding. If it weren't for trolls, I'd have to watch Fox News to get my
daily dose of self-superiority.
So, be nourished by my reaction to your idiotic post. Try to be a bit
more creative in the future. You don't want to fall into the "Loirbaj
rut", of just posting completely asinine bullshit that has been refuted
many times over. Replying to him is nothing more than an exercise in
testing the durability of your keyboard.
--
MarkA
If you can read this, you can stop reading now.
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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 11, 2012, 11:59:27 AM2/11/12
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On 2012-Feb-11 05:27, walksalone wrote:
> Recorder<cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:468afaac-9c84-486a-90e4-
> d7239a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Feb 11, 9:51 am, Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> Atheists make the faith claim
>>> I believe no god exists.
>>>
>>> And of course, as it is impossible to
>>> prove this negative, their entire belief
>>> system is instantly falsified.
>>
>> The issue could be seen as the following
>>
>> I am not absolutely certain that the Deity that Atheists as a class
>> and in general do not believe in is exactly the same as the Deity that
>> I do not believe in. Or do we have a Polytheistic set of non-existent
>> deities?
>
> Make it easy on yourself. Which of the following deities do not believe
> in,& why. Once you figure that out, if you hold a deity as a given,
> Recorder<cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:468afaac-9c84-486a-90e4-
> d7239a...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Feb 11, 9:51 am, Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>> Atheists make the faith claim
>>> I believe no god exists.
>>>
>>> And of course, as it is impossible to
>>> prove this negative, their entire belief
>>> system is instantly falsified.
>>
>> The issue could be seen as the following
>>
>> I am not absolutely certain that the Deity that Atheists as a class
>> and in general do not believe in is exactly the same as the Deity that
>> I do not believe in. Or do we have a Polytheistic set of non-existent
>> deities?
>
> Make it easy on yourself. Which of the following deities do not believe
> apply the same criteria to it. You may just become an atheist& not just
> atheistic abpout some god claims.
Ha ha. This is very clever.
because there are countless others, including these famous ones (in
order of what I suspect may be the most well-known ones first):
Zeus (from Hellenic Polytheism, a.k.a., Stoicism)
Guanyin (a goddess from Buddhism)
Jesus Christ
Yahweh
The Flying Spaghetti Monster
> Now, if you need a working definition for the gods, the following might
> help.
>
> the human species. [Incomplete]
>
> Anthropomorphic
> A: Must be supernatural [applies to every divinity declared]
> B: May or may not be able to have a visible body [Zeus& the Greek
>
> Anthropomorphic
> A: Must be supernatural [applies to every divinity declared]
> pantheon as an example]
> C: May or may not interfere in human activity or destiny.
> D: May or may not be good, evil, or apathetic where humans are
> concerned.
> E: May or may not be a divine through their own will, may be a
> victim
> of apotheosis [the Chinese pantheon is a good example of these types of
> gods.]
> Demons: Now there is a thought, Demons as gods. Indeed, they are, lessor
> gods to be sure, but more powerful than some gods, less powerful than
> others.
Some people do worship demons. There are also tools like Ouija Boards
> C: May or may not interfere in human activity or destiny.
> D: May or may not be good, evil, or apathetic where humans are
> concerned.
> E: May or may not be a divine through their own will, may be a
> victim
> of apotheosis [the Chinese pantheon is a good example of these types of
> gods.]
> Demons: Now there is a thought, Demons as gods. Indeed, they are, lessor
> gods to be sure, but more powerful than some gods, less powerful than
> others.
that people use with the intent of communicating with demons.
> Dwarves&/or Elves: Though two distinct races, dwarves are found in
> worldwide mythology as well as European. Elves, tend to be Nordic&
> Germanic in origin.
> Fates: They are common to the classical myths as well as the European
> ones.
> Fairies, or the wee folk: A class of gods that include everything from
> Brownies to Knockers& beyond. Some are good,& some like Red Hat, are
> Germanic in origin.
> Fates: They are common to the classical myths as well as the European
> ones.
> Fairies, or the wee folk: A class of gods that include everything from
> not.
> Giants: though supernatural as understood in the myths of the world,
> they are not necessary known to have god like powers as most understand
> the term.
> Gods& goddesses: I hope this class does not need more explanation.
> Giants: though supernatural as understood in the myths of the world,
> they are not necessary known to have god like powers as most understand
> the term.
> Spirits: are all supernatural, even those that are the spirits of humans
> or animals that have not went on to where good spirits are entitled to
> go.
> Animistic, all living creatures, including plant life
> Astral/solar All heavenly bodies
>
>
> OK, you meant a messianic god, well, here is more to consider.
> What is a Messiah?
>
> Messiah comes from the Hebrew word for "anointed one" which is pronounced
> "Moshiach".
>
> Kings,prophets, and priests were all anointed. So they were all Messiahs.
There's also a prophet, whose first name is Darwin, who is known as the
> or animals that have not went on to where good spirits are entitled to
> go.
> Animistic, all living creatures, including plant life
> Astral/solar All heavenly bodies
>
>
> OK, you meant a messianic god, well, here is more to consider.
> What is a Messiah?
>
> Messiah comes from the Hebrew word for "anointed one" which is pronounced
> "Moshiach".
>
> Kings,prophets, and priests were all anointed. So they were all Messiahs.
"Atheist Messiah:" http://www.atheists.net/
you for putting so much effort into it -- your research is greatly
appreciated (could you include me somewhere in that list in future?).
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 11, 2012, 12:01:36 PM2/11/12
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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 11, 2012, 12:03:16 PM2/11/12
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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Mark Twain
DanielSan
Feb 11, 2012, 12:27:07 PM2/11/12
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On 2/11/2012 2:39 AM, Recorder wrote:
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
But, in this case, "troll" is the accurate adjective because you come to
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
insult atheists on the alt.atheism newsgroup.
Loirbaj
Feb 11, 2012, 2:41:52 PM2/11/12
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2881 Dead
Feb 11, 2012, 3:17:16 PM2/11/12
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Tell us MORE, great guru...
--
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
inevitable” -JFK
--
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution
inevitable” -JFK
Don Martin
Feb 11, 2012, 3:17:17 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:01:36 -0800, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Feb-11 02:39, Recorder wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>
>> So you "believe in" something?
>>
>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>> party.
>>
>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>
>You seem to be proving that belief to be a matter of fact.
Isn't it wonderful how evidence works?
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On 2012-Feb-11 02:39, Recorder wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>
>> So you "believe in" something?
>>
>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>> party.
>>
>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>
>You seem to be proving that belief to be a matter of fact.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Father Haskell
Feb 11, 2012, 3:21:09 PM2/11/12
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See how easy that was?
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Smak Dab
Feb 11, 2012, 3:45:00 PM2/11/12
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does not exist.
This one's going in the books.
Feb. 11, 2012- Their walls are starting to crack.
kni...@baawa.com
Feb 11, 2012, 4:51:28 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
<cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>etc..
>
>So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>Method.
>
>They're all against belief of any kind!
Buzzzzzz!
<cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>etc..
>
>So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>Method.
>
>They're all against belief of any kind!
Thanks for playing. As a consolation prize, here is the Atheist
Home Edition of "Where's the Troll".
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Don Kresch
Feb 11, 2012, 5:21:25 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:41:16 -0800 (PST), Recorder
<cjdro...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>On Feb 11, 11:15 am, Don Kresch <spamca...@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>>
>> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> >anything
>>
>> No, that's nihilism.
>So the issue is what is the significant difference in and between
>those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they " believe
>in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a clear
>unambiguous distinction can be made.
You should have stopped at "I simply don't think", as it's
>those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they " believe
>in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a clear
>unambiguous distinction can be made.
quite clear that you don't.
L.Roberts
Feb 11, 2012, 5:37:42 PM2/11/12
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Do Atheists Believe In Anything?
No, that would be Theists.
No, that would be Theists.
Lamont Cranston
Feb 11, 2012, 8:52:44 PM2/11/12
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Of course, as it is impossible to prove this assertion, their entire
Matt
Feb 11, 2012, 9:23:56 PM2/11/12
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You cannot.
Therefore, by induction, God does not exist.
Your entire belief system is instantly falsified.
Q.E.D.
You lose.
Matt
Doc Smartass
Feb 12, 2012, 12:15:05 AM2/12/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:062a2061-9490-46e4-9694-
42e17f...@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
>
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
I don't believe you're trying hard enough to amuse me, little pup.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
42e17f...@y10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
>
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
Doc Smartass
Feb 12, 2012, 12:15:49 AM2/12/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d1c2f384-6b28-401b-a291-
404228...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 12:13 pm, Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>
>> So fuck off troll.
>> See?- There's your hostile response for you!
>
> Clearly, you were born in Turdistan.
And you're from Dumbfuckistan. I recognize the accent.
404228...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 12:13 pm, Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>
>> So fuck off troll.
>> See?- There's your hostile response for you!
>
> Clearly, you were born in Turdistan.
And you're from Dumbfuckistan. I recognize the accent.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 12, 2012, 12:40:51 AM2/12/12
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On 2012-Feb-11 12:17, Don Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:01:36 -0800, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess"<god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-Feb-11 02:39, Recorder wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>>
>>> So you "believe in" something?
>>>
>>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>>> party.
>>>
>>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>>
>> You seem to be proving that belief to be a matter of fact.
>
> Isn't it wonderful how evidence works?
Oh yes, and particularly because it frustrates those bible-thumping
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:01:36 -0800, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess"<god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-Feb-11 02:39, Recorder wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass<FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>>
>>> So you "believe in" something?
>>>
>>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>>> party.
>>>
>>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>>
>> You seem to be proving that belief to be a matter of fact.
>
> Isn't it wonderful how evidence works?
religious right-win-nuts to no end.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"An American monkey, after getting drunk on brandy, would never touch it
again, and thus is much wiser than most men."
-- Charles Darwin
Father Haskell
Feb 12, 2012, 12:42:46 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 3:45 pm, Smak Dab <smak...@youbet.yep> wrote:
> On 2/11/2012 3:21 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 4:51 am, Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
> >> I believe no god exists.
>
> > See how easy that was?
>
> You're right. That was easy to get you to admit that you believe God
> does not exist.
Tell that to Liarbage.
> On 2/11/2012 3:21 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 4:51 am, Loirbaj<Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
> >> I believe no god exists.
>
> > See how easy that was?
>
> You're right. That was easy to get you to admit that you believe God
> does not exist.
Recorder
Feb 12, 2012, 4:02:06 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 1:59 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:41:16 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 11, 11:15 am, Don Kresch <spamca...@spamcatch.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
> >> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>
> >> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >> >anything
>
> >> No, that's nihilism.
>
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:41:16 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 11, 11:15 am, Don Kresch <spamca...@spamcatch.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
> >> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>
> >> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >> >anything
>
> >> No, that's nihilism.
>
> >> Don
> >> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
> >> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
>
> >> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
> >> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
>
> >So the issue is what is the significant difference in and between
> >those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they " believe
> >in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a clear
> >unambiguous distinction can be made.
>
> >I believe in "xyzswasded":
> >those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they " believe
> >in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a clear
> >unambiguous distinction can be made.
>
>
> >In one dictionary "xyzswasded" means and is translated as God
> >In another it is translated as Fear of Oneself
> >In another it is described as Shangri-La
>
> In still a fourth, it is described as a bored teen trolling on Usenet.
>
> ---
> raven1
> aa # 1096
> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
> BAAWA Knight
Clearly an athieist, not at all interested in philosophy, merely their
smugness.
.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 12, 2012, 4:15:52 AM2/12/12
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not interested in philosophy and are merely smug, or that one atheist in
particular is?
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
moral without a fearsome god to scare them with is pathetic. Philosophy
and law is all that anyone with a brain needs and a decent education.
Religion has been a horror throughout history. I long to see its end,
though I know I won't live to see this."
-- Mickey (a.k.a., hypatiab7)
DanielSan
Feb 12, 2012, 10:09:30 AM2/12/12
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Christopher A. Lee
Feb 12, 2012, 10:19:44 AM2/12/12
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straw men.
raven1
Feb 12, 2012, 11:18:25 AM2/12/12
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philosophical discussion, I'd be the first to join in, but as your
original post made it abundantly clear that you're either trolling or
an uneducated half-wit, no thanks, I'll stick to derision.
chibiabos
Feb 12, 2012, 1:02:27 PM2/12/12
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In article
<360d6be0-977c-4aa4...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:48 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> You don't understand it.
> > >>>> varied.
> > >>> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > >>> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > >>> "believing" in.
> >
> > >> Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
> >
> > >>>> You're wrong.
> > >>>> overwhelming majority do).
> > >>>> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >>>> quality of atheism.
> >
> > > What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
> >
> > First, you need to know what "human rights" are. These are things that
> > have a demonstrable positive impact on us as a species.
> >
> > > What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
> > > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> > > order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> > > might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
> >
> > Yes, we know what deities consist of.
> >
> > > What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
> > > the Scientific Method?
> >
> > Then you'd be mistaken on the definition of the word "deity".
>
> OK, my Deity is a Bowl of Petunias. As it falls it is about to have a
> major impact on us as a species.
>
When your bowl of petunias builds a church on every street corner, puts
its slogans on our money, tries to outlaw scientific inquiry, takes
from the poor to give to the rich, flavors all of history with
ludicrous myths, starts wars, infiltrates our system of government, and
denies others the freedoms that "Human Rights" guarantee, then we'll
talk. "Til then, talk to the hand (perhaps your petunias can guess
which finger I'm holding up).
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
<360d6be0-977c-4aa4...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:48 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > >>>>> anything:
> >
> > >>>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >
> > >>>> You don't understand it.
> >
> > >>>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > >>>>> etc..
> >
> > >>>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
> > >>>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > >>>>> etc..
> >
> >
> > >>>>> So what do they believe in?
> >
> > >>>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > >>>>> So what do they believe in?
> >
> > >>>> varied.
> >
> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >
> > >>> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >
> > >>> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > >>> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > >>> "believing" in.
> >
> > >> Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
> >
> > >>>> You're wrong.
> >
> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > >>>>> Method.
> >
> > >>>> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > >>>>> Method.
> >
> > >>>> overwhelming majority do).
> >
> > >>>>> They're all against belief of any kind!
> >
> > >>>> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > >>>>> They're all against belief of any kind!
> >
> > >>>> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >>>> quality of atheism.
> >
> > > What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
> >
> > First, you need to know what "human rights" are. These are things that
> > have a demonstrable positive impact on us as a species.
> >
> > > What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
> > > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> > > order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> > > might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
> >
> > Yes, we know what deities consist of.
> >
> > > What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
> > > the Scientific Method?
> >
> > Then you'd be mistaken on the definition of the word "deity".
>
> OK, my Deity is a Bowl of Petunias. As it falls it is about to have a
> major impact on us as a species.
>
When your bowl of petunias builds a church on every street corner, puts
its slogans on our money, tries to outlaw scientific inquiry, takes
from the poor to give to the rich, flavors all of history with
ludicrous myths, starts wars, infiltrates our system of government, and
denies others the freedoms that "Human Rights" guarantee, then we'll
talk. "Til then, talk to the hand (perhaps your petunias can guess
which finger I'm holding up).
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
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> As it falls it is about to have a major impact on us as a species.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace
the savage races throughout the world."
-- Charles Darwin
raven1
Feb 12, 2012, 2:31:29 PM2/12/12
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Recorder
Feb 12, 2012, 2:46:29 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 4:06 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
wrote:
>
> Human Rights must be claimed and defended.
>
> JAM
Genghis Khan neither claimed or defended any kind of Human Rights: for
him they did not exist. He did not believe in them.
wrote:
> Recorder wrote:
>
> > On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>
> > > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > > anything:
>
> > > You don't understand it.
>
> > > > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > > > etc..
>
> > > Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > > > So what do they believe in?
>
> > > Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > > varied.
>
> > > > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
> > So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > "believing" in.
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>
> > > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > > anything:
>
> > > You don't understand it.
>
> > > > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > > > etc..
>
> > > Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > > > So what do they believe in?
>
> > > Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > > varied.
>
> > > > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
> > So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > "believing" in.
>
> > > You're wrong.
>
> > > > I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > > > Method.
>
> > > Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > > overwhelming majority do).
>
> > > > They're all against belief of any kind!
>
> > > Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > > is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > > quality of atheism.
>
> Deities do not exist, they are myth.
>
> > > > I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > > > Method.
>
> > > Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > > overwhelming majority do).
>
> > > > They're all against belief of any kind!
>
> > > Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > > is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > > quality of atheism.
>
>
> Human Rights must be claimed and defended.
>
> JAM
Genghis Khan neither claimed or defended any kind of Human Rights: for
him they did not exist. He did not believe in them.
Recorder
Feb 12, 2012, 2:51:51 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 4:33 pm, Robert Parker <Dontbot...@netportusa.com> wrote:
> >etc..
>
> >So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> evidence to the contrary. Atheist don't generally"believe" rather we accept as probably true.
> English is piss poor language especially in a society that's very sloppy in language use. Rather
> than confuse simpletons. I don't accept that as probably true, because of lack of evidence
> supporting your claim. It's much easier to say. I don't believe that stupid shit. Shit once meant
> fecal matter, now means stuff, or junk. Both often used to describe beliefs or property. Being a do
> it your selfer I have a large collection of tools and equipment. Once the teenage son of a visitor
> came into my home work shop, and looked around in awe. When his mother came out he told her "Mr
> Parker has a shop full of the neatest shit in the world". So belief can mean accept as true
> regardless of lack of evidence, as in religion. Or trust as in I believe Mr. Smith to be a decent
> honest man. Or I trust him, Or I believe 3X3 = 9. Meaning I know this to be true. I accept that the
> Scientific Method if used correctly will give useful information. I know that all human need to have
> certain basic rights, in order to have decent society. When most people accept that and respect the
> rights of others, then and only then will mankind have a civilized society. The biggest obstacle to
> that goal is religious bigotry insisting every one have the same religious beliefs.
I think what you say is probably true.
Except 3x3 = 9 is not "probably true". It is "absolutely true" by and
from definition of what the symbols mean, and deduction therefrom.
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> >etc..
>
> >So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> >I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> >Method.
>
> >Method.
>
> >They're all against belief of any kind!
>
> This is partially true but against is not correct. Belief is accepting a statement a true despite
>
> evidence to the contrary. Atheist don't generally"believe" rather we accept as probably true.
> English is piss poor language especially in a society that's very sloppy in language use. Rather
> than confuse simpletons. I don't accept that as probably true, because of lack of evidence
> supporting your claim. It's much easier to say. I don't believe that stupid shit. Shit once meant
> fecal matter, now means stuff, or junk. Both often used to describe beliefs or property. Being a do
> it your selfer I have a large collection of tools and equipment. Once the teenage son of a visitor
> came into my home work shop, and looked around in awe. When his mother came out he told her "Mr
> Parker has a shop full of the neatest shit in the world". So belief can mean accept as true
> regardless of lack of evidence, as in religion. Or trust as in I believe Mr. Smith to be a decent
> honest man. Or I trust him, Or I believe 3X3 = 9. Meaning I know this to be true. I accept that the
> Scientific Method if used correctly will give useful information. I know that all human need to have
> certain basic rights, in order to have decent society. When most people accept that and respect the
> rights of others, then and only then will mankind have a civilized society. The biggest obstacle to
> that goal is religious bigotry insisting every one have the same religious beliefs.
I think what you say is probably true.
Except 3x3 = 9 is not "probably true". It is "absolutely true" by and
from definition of what the symbols mean, and deduction therefrom.
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an education.
>
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
--
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news:ac8109eb-c0f8-47de...@d15g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
>
>
Oh, look, another ignorant loser trying to tell us what we 'believe'.
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
>
>
--
PDW
Check out my blog:
The first is a preview of my superhero comic book.
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http://corneliusaddaptionproject.blogspot.com/
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Feb 12, 2012, 6:27:35 PM2/12/12
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Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
news:8ade8d0a-76d3-4825...@hb4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> Atheists make the faith claim
news:8ade8d0a-76d3-4825...@hb4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> Atheists make the faith claim
> I believe no god exists.
>
>
> And of course, as it is impossible to
> prove this negative, their entire belief
> system is instantly falsified.
>
And you are still a lying loser.
> prove this negative, their entire belief
> system is instantly falsified.
>
Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:28:53 PM2/12/12
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Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:29:55 PM2/12/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:360d6be0-977c-4aa4...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 9:48=A0am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
>> >> On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> =A0
>> >>> =A0wrote:
> nd
>> >>>> varied.
>> >>> absolutely. Bo=
>>
>> >>>> You're wrong.
>>
>> >>>> the overwhelming majority do).
>>
> =A0That
>> >>>> is anti-theism. =A0Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is
news:360d6be0-977c-4aa4...@dp8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 9:48=A0am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
>> >> On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> =A0
>> >>> =A0wrote:
>> >>>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> >>>>> anything:
>>
>> >>>>> anything:
>>
>> >>>> You don't understand it.
>>
>>
>> >>>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>> >>>>> etc..
>>
>> >>>> Deities. =A0That's what we don't believe in.
>> >>>>> etc..
>>
>>
>> >>>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> >>>>> So what do they believe in?
>>
>> >>>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are
>> >>>> wide a=
> nd
>> >>>> varied.
>>
>> >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>>
>> >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>>
>> >>> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a
>> >>> deity" and a "human right"? =A0Neither can be proved to exist
>> >>> absolutely. Bo=
> th
>> >>> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
>> >>> "believing" in.
>>
>> >> Human rights have evidence. =A0Deities do not.
>> >>> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
>> >>> "believing" in.
>>
>>
>> >>>> You're wrong.
>>
>> >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>> >>>>> Method.
>>
>> >>>> Still wrong. =A0Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay
>> >>>>> Method.
>>
>> >>>> the overwhelming majority do).
>>
>> >>>>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>>
>>
>> >>>> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal
>> >>>> altogether. =
> =A0That
>> >>>> is anti-theism. =A0Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is
>> >>>> not a quality of atheism.
>>
>>
>> > What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>>
>> First, you need to know what "human rights" are. =A0These are things
>>
>> that have a demonstrable positive impact on us as a species.
>>
>> > What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
>> > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what?
>> > In order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what
>> > they might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>>
>> Yes, we know what deities consist of.
>>
>> > What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity
>> > of the Scientific Method?
>>
>> Then you'd be mistaken on the definition of the word "deity".
>
> OK, my Deity is a Bowl of Petunias. As it falls it is about to have a
>>
>> > What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
>> > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what?
>> > In order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what
>> > they might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>>
>> Yes, we know what deities consist of.
>>
>> > What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity
>> > of the Scientific Method?
>>
>> Then you'd be mistaken on the definition of the word "deity".
>
> major impact on us as a species.
>
>
Is the bowl objectively there? Or is just a figment of yer imagination?
>
>
Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:34:38 PM2/12/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0f1f4c7e-76c9-4a7d...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 1:59=A0pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:41:16 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
news:0f1f4c7e-76c9-4a7d...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 1:59=A0pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:41:16 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Feb 11, 11:15=A0am, Don Kresch <spamca...@spamcatch.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>> >> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>>
>> >> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> >> >anything
>>
>> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No, that's nihilism.
>> >> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
>> >> <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> scrawled in blood:
>>
>> >> >As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> >> >anything
>>
>>
>> >> Don
>> >> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
>> >> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
>>
>> >So the issue is what is the significant difference in and between
>> >those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they "
>> >believe in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a
>> >clear unambiguous distinction can be made.
>>
>> >I believe in "xyzswasded":
>>
>> >In one dictionary "xyzswasded" means and is translated as God
>> >In another it is translated as Fear of Oneself
>> >In another it is described as Shangri-La
>>
>> In still a fourth, it is described as a bored teen trolling on
>> Usenet.
>>
>> ---
>> raven1
>> aa # 1096
>> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
>> BAAWA Knight
>
> Clearly an athieist, not at all interested in philosophy, merely their
> smugness.
>
> .
>
>
you misspelled 'Christian', oh, trolling one.
>> >> Don
>> >> aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
>> >> Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
>>
>> >So the issue is what is the significant difference in and between
>> >those concepts, ideas, theories, notions, whatever that they "
>> >believe in", and those that they don't. I simply don't think that a
>> >clear unambiguous distinction can be made.
>>
>> >I believe in "xyzswasded":
>>
>> >In one dictionary "xyzswasded" means and is translated as God
>> >In another it is translated as Fear of Oneself
>> >In another it is described as Shangri-La
>>
>> In still a fourth, it is described as a bored teen trolling on
>> Usenet.
>>
>> ---
>> raven1
>> aa # 1096
>> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
>> BAAWA Knight
>
> Clearly an athieist, not at all interested in philosophy, merely their
> smugness.
>
> .
>
>
Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:35:49 PM2/12/12
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John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:igmcj7p5g1iuouljo...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
> <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>>etc..
>>
>>So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> example, I believe you're an idiot.
>
>
>
>
And I believe you are correct.
news:igmcj7p5g1iuouljo...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800 (PST), Recorder
> <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>>etc..
>>
>>So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>>I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>>Method.
>>
>>Method.
>>
>>They're all against belief of any kind!
>
>
> On the contrary, Sunshine. Atheists believe a lot of things. For
>
>
> example, I believe you're an idiot.
>
>
>
>
And I believe you are correct.
Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:36:36 PM2/12/12
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Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
news:49805d6a-b671-4bde...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> Atheists make the faith claim
news:49805d6a-b671-4bde...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> Atheists make the faith claim
> I believe no god exists.
>
And Loirbaj continues to lie.
>
Paul David Wright
Feb 12, 2012, 6:44:00 PM2/12/12
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MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2012.02.11....@somewhere.invalid:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800, Recorder wrote:
>
>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>> etc..
>>
>> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>> Method.
>>
>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>
> THIS particular atheist has a strong belief in the merits of troll
> feeding. If it weren't for trolls, I'd have to watch Fox News to get
> my daily dose of self-superiority.
>
> So, be nourished by my reaction to your idiotic post. Try to be a bit
> more creative in the future. You don't want to fall into the "Loirbaj
> rut", of just posting completely asinine bullshit that has been
> refuted many times over. Replying to him is nothing more than an
> exercise in testing the durability of your keyboard.
>
Or practise heckling someone.
news:pan.2012.02.11....@somewhere.invalid:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800, Recorder wrote:
>
>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>> etc..
>>
>> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>> Method.
>>
>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>
> feeding. If it weren't for trolls, I'd have to watch Fox News to get
> my daily dose of self-superiority.
>
> So, be nourished by my reaction to your idiotic post. Try to be a bit
> more creative in the future. You don't want to fall into the "Loirbaj
> rut", of just posting completely asinine bullshit that has been
> refuted many times over. Replying to him is nothing more than an
> exercise in testing the durability of your keyboard.
>
Or practise heckling someone.
Smiler
Feb 12, 2012, 9:48:15 PM2/12/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:07:46 -0500, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
> Recorder wrote:
>>
> Recorder wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
>> >
>> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> > >>> anything:
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
>> > >>> anything:
>> >
>> > >> You don't understand it.
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
>> > >>> etc..
>> >
>> > >> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>> > >>> etc..
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> So what do they believe in?
>> >
>> > >> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
>> > >>> So what do they believe in?
>> >
>> > >> varied.
>> >
>> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>> >
>> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>> >
>> > > So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
>> > > and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
>> > > are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
>> > > "believing" in.
>> >
>> > Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
>> > > "believing" in.
>> >
>> >
>> > >> You're wrong.
>> >
>> > >>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
>> > >>> Method.
>> >
>> > >> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
>> > >>> Method.
>> >
>> > >> overwhelming majority do).
>> >
>> > >>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>> >
>> > >> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
>> >
>> > >> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
>> > >> quality of atheism.
>>
>> What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>>
>>
>> What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>>
>> What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
>> form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
>> order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
>> might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>>
>> form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
>> order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
>> might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>>
>> What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
>> the Scientific Method?
>
> You would be making yourself out a fool.
>> the Scientific Method?
>
>
Not quite. He'd be confirming that he's a fool.
--
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The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
SkyEyes
Feb 12, 2012, 10:52:02 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 2:23 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
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> > On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > anything:
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> > You don't understand it.
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> > > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > > etc..
>
> > Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > > So what do they believe in?
>
> > Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > varied.
>
> > > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
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> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
A deity is said to be a supernatural *being*.
> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > > As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > > anything:
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> > You don't understand it.
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> > > They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > > etc..
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> > Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
> > > So what do they believe in?
>
> > Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > varied.
>
> > > I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> and a "human right"?
grant to each other.
> Neither can be proved to exist absolutely.
forth that any gods exist.
>Both
> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> "believing" in.
So, what other things are you dead wrong about, besides this false
equivalency between human rights and gods?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
SkyEyes
Feb 12, 2012, 10:49:20 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 2:13 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
Wrong. We simply lack belief in any god or gods.
Personally, I am a *huge* fan of both human rights and the scientific
method.
Oh: the other thing I don't believe in is too much capitalization.
Word to the wise.
Loirbaj
Feb 12, 2012, 11:14:30 PM2/12/12
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O god-like entity who highly plausibly exists,
please spare me from an eternity in Hellfire.
And fulfill my wish fantasy that everything is
childishly simple in the cosmos, and is the
random collision of atoms acting with no Design.
That I may be spared from a lifetime of selfish
actions, corruption. And have my atoms
reassembled back together in another multiverse
in time. --Atheist's Prayer
please spare me from an eternity in Hellfire.
And fulfill my wish fantasy that everything is
childishly simple in the cosmos, and is the
random collision of atoms acting with no Design.
That I may be spared from a lifetime of selfish
actions, corruption. And have my atoms
reassembled back together in another multiverse
in time. --Atheist's Prayer
Doc Smartass
Feb 13, 2012, 12:14:58 AM2/13/12
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Recorder <cjdro...@gmail.com> wrote in news:0f1f4c7e-76c9-4a7d-94f2-
c298eb...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
Philosophy is 90% bullshit and 10% horseshit.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
c298eb...@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."
Buddythunder
Feb 13, 2012, 12:25:06 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 11, 10:51 pm, Loirbaj <Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> Atheists make the faith claim
> I believe no god exists.
>
> Atheists make the faith claim
> I believe no god exists.
>
> And of course, as it is impossible to
> prove this negative, their entire belief
> system is instantly falsified.
And you've been here long enough and been corrected often enough to
> prove this negative, their entire belief
> system is instantly falsified.
know that you're lying. *SOME* atheists make that claim, some don't.
The unifying property is simply disbelief in gods. Why don't you know
that after all this time? It could explain much...
Buddythunder
Feb 13, 2012, 12:26:30 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 11, 10:55 pm, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 9:48 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
course...
> On Feb 11, 9:48 am, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On 2/11/2012 1:29 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > > On Feb 11, 9:24 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 2/11/2012 1:23 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > >>> On Feb 11, 9:17 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 2/11/2012 1:13 AM, Recorder wrote:
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> > >>>>> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> > >>>>> anything:
>
> > >>>> You don't understand it.
>
>
> > >>>> You don't understand it.
>
> > >>>>> They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> > >>>>> etc..
>
> > >>>>> etc..
>
> > >>>> Deities. That's what we don't believe in.
>
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> > >>>>> So what do they believe in?
>
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> > >>>> Beyond not believing in deities, what atheists believe in are wide and
> > >>>> varied.
>
> > >>>> varied.
>
> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in anything.
>
>
> > >>> So, what is the essential and material difference between "a deity"
> > >>> and a "human right"? Neither can be proved to exist absolutely. Both
> > >>> are just a system, a set of insubstantial words. Both require
> > >>> "believing" in.
>
> > >>> "believing" in.
>
> > >> Human rights have evidence. Deities do not.
>
> > >>>> You're wrong.
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> > >>>> You're wrong.
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> > >>>>> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> > >>>>> Method.
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> > >>>>> Method.
>
> > >>>> Still wrong. Many atheists believe in those things (I daresay the
> > >>>> overwhelming majority do).
>
> > >>>> overwhelming majority do).
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> > >>>>> They're all against belief of any kind!
>
>
> > >>>> Ah, being against belief in deities is another animal altogether. That
> > >>>> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >>>> quality of atheism.
>
> > > What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>
> > First, you need to know what "human rights" are. These are things that
> > >>>> is anti-theism. Some atheists are anti-theistic but that is not a
> > >>>> quality of atheism.
>
> > > What do you mean "Human Rights have evidence"?
>
> > have a demonstrable positive impact on us as a species.
>
>
> > > What are these entities "Deities" that you do not believe in? What
> > > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> > > order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> > > might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
>
> > > form do they take? Anthropomorphic, Animalistic, Spiritual, what? In
> > > order NOT to believe in them, you must have some idea of what they
> > > might consist, even if only in the minds of others.
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> > Yes, we know what deities consist of.
>
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> > > What if I said I believe in the Deity of Human Rights? or the Deity of
> > > the Scientific Method?
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> > > the Scientific Method?
>
> > Then you'd be mistaken on the definition of the word "deity".
>
> OK, my Deity is a Bowl of Petunias. As it falls it is about to have a
> major impact on us as a species.
Hey, finally a deity I can believe in! Not that is has divinity, of
>
> OK, my Deity is a Bowl of Petunias. As it falls it is about to have a
> major impact on us as a species.
course...
John Baker
Feb 13, 2012, 12:32:45 AM2/13/12
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SkyEyes
Feb 13, 2012, 1:09:14 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 11, 5:49 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am not absolutely certain that the Deity that Atheists as a class
> and in general do not believe in is exactly the same as the Deity that
> I do not believe in. Or do we have a Polytheistic set of non-existent
> deities?
Most people have a concept of deity that is peculiar unto themselves.
All we are saying is that we see no evidence that *any* of the 18,000+
deities currently defined or worshiped in the past 100,000 years
exists.
What do you want us to do: worship something, *anything*, and call it
"God," just in case? That's ridiculous.
> On Feb 11, 9:51 am, Loirbaj <Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > Atheists make the faith claim
> > I believe no god exists.
>
> > And of course, as it is impossible to
> > prove this negative, their entire belief
> > system is instantly falsified.
>
> The issue could be seen as the following
>
> > Atheists make the faith claim
> > I believe no god exists.
>
> > And of course, as it is impossible to
> > prove this negative, their entire belief
> > system is instantly falsified.
>
>
> I am not absolutely certain that the Deity that Atheists as a class
> and in general do not believe in is exactly the same as the Deity that
> I do not believe in. Or do we have a Polytheistic set of non-existent
> deities?
Most people have a concept of deity that is peculiar unto themselves.
All we are saying is that we see no evidence that *any* of the 18,000+
deities currently defined or worshiped in the past 100,000 years
exists.
What do you want us to do: worship something, *anything*, and call it
"God," just in case? That's ridiculous.
SkyEyes
Feb 13, 2012, 1:18:20 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 11, 3:39 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
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> > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
(or pretends not to) believe in."
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
Child, you have *no* idea.
> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> wrote:
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> > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> So you "believe in" something?
>
> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> party.
And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
(or pretends not to) believe in."
> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
Child, you have *no* idea.
SkyEyes
Feb 13, 2012, 1:19:57 AM2/13/12
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On Feb 12, 11:18 pm, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 3:39 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> > So you "believe in" something?
>
> > The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> > not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> > party.
>
> And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
> uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
<insert> "not" </insert>
> On Feb 11, 3:39 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>
> > So you "believe in" something?
>
> > The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
> > not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
> > party.
>
> And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
> uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Feb 13, 2012, 2:19:28 AM2/13/12
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substituted with dog farts. (I contend that the Chinese have the more
accurate definition since manure is more easily captured and utilized.)
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Man tends to increase at a greater rate than his means of subsistence."
-- Charles Darwin
Doc Smartass
Feb 14, 2012, 1:10:30 AM2/14/12
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John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:g28hj7175ub907dn8...@4ax.com:
after a few beers. Or especially after some pot.
Doc Smartass
Feb 14, 2012, 1:18:03 AM2/14/12
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SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote in news:9b2f10f1-d2a8-4e38-8256-
0fc052...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 3:39 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>
>> So you "believe in" something?
>>
>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>> party.
>
> And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
> uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
> (or pretends not to) believe in."
I believe you're right.
I also come here to be offended :)
>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>
> Child, you have *no* idea.
I think he's fell headlong into the sarchasm (the gap between a sarcastic
comment and understanding)
0fc052...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 11, 3:39 am, Recorder <cjdrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 10:27 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe trolls were put here to amuse me.
>>
>> So you "believe in" something?
>>
>> The word "troll" is frequently used on Usenet boards by those who do
>> not subscribe [believe in] the views of others to insult the other
>> party.
>
> And the rest of the definition of "troll": "...and who does so,
> uninvited, in news groups dedicated to thing in which the troll does
> (or pretends not to) believe in."
I also come here to be offended :)
>> The name "Smartass" suits your attitude.
>
> Child, you have *no* idea.
comment and understanding)
Smiler
Feb 14, 2012, 9:43:07 PM2/14/12
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>>>> Clearly an athieist, not at all interested in philosophy, merely
>>>> their smugness.
>>>
>>>Philosophy is 90% bullshit and 10% horseshit.
>>
>>
>> So in terms of chemical composition, it's identical to religion. <G>
>
> Big difference in locations of practice--philosophy is practiced in pubs,
> after a few beers. Or especially after some pot.
Whereas religion is practiced wherever the deluded think they can get away
>>>> their smugness.
>>>
>>>Philosophy is 90% bullshit and 10% horseshit.
>>
>>
>> So in terms of chemical composition, it's identical to religion. <G>
>
> Big difference in locations of practice--philosophy is practiced in pubs,
> after a few beers. Or especially after some pot.
with it.
Smiler
Feb 16, 2012, 11:55:49 PM2/16/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:13:37 -0800, Recorder wrote:
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> anything: They don't believe in God, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster
> As far as I understand it Atheists in general, don;t believe in
> etc..
>
> So what do they believe in? I don't suppose they believe in anything.
> I don't suppose they believe in Human Rights, or the Scientific
> Method.
>
> Method.
>
> They're all against belief of any kind!
I've got a beautiful bridge for sale that you might like to buy. I can
let you have it at a reduced price if you confirm you want it by the end
of the week.
You don't believe me? Why not? Think about it...
I don't believe in any gods for the same reason as you don't believe me.
Not believing in any god(s) is _all_ atheism is.
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