State Sponsored Religion blocked - Judge bans Christian car plate
John Manning
BBC - A US judge has ordered South Carolina not to issue a vehicle
number plate with a Christian image and slogan.
The state legislature had approved a licence plate with a cross in
front of a stained glass window and the words "I Believe" written along
the top.
SEE License Plate:
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/I_BELIEVE_SC.jpg
District Judge Cameron Currie said that the plate violated the First
Amendment, which enshrines the separation of church and state.
A similar bid by a group in Florida last year did not pass state
lawmakers.
'Unconstitutional'
The case was brought by Americans United, which backs the separation of
church and state, on behalf of several individuals and Hindu and
American-Arab groups.
It began after Lt Governor Andre Bauer helped pass legislation allowing
the number plate in early 2008.
Describing it as a "freedom of speech issue", he argued that given the
state already permitted 103 speciality vehicle plates it was
"ridiculous" that there was not one for Christians.
According to local media reports, several hundred people had registered
to buy the plate.
But Judge Currie ruled that the law amounted to state endorsement of a
particular religion.
And she hit out at Mr Bauer, saying: "Whether motivated by
sincerely-held Christian beliefs or an effort to purchase political
capital with religious coin, the result is the same.
"The statute is clearly unconstitutional and defence of its
implementation has embroiled the state in unnecessary (and expensive)
litigation."
Mitchell Holman
news:h9KdncstHt55iGHX...@giganews.com:
>
>
> BBC - A US judge has ordered South Carolina not to issue a vehicle
> number plate with a Christian image and slogan.
>
> The state legislature had approved a licence plate with a cross in
> front of a stained glass window and the words "I Believe" written along
> the top.
>
> SEE License Plate:
> http://www.palmettoscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/I_BELIEVE_SC.jpg
Why don't people just get a bumper sticker if they
want to advertise their faith?
John Manning
In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
I don't expect that a devotee of Islam could feel safe in "Freedom of
Religion" AmeriKKKa with an "Allah Ahkbar" bumper sticker on his car.
Ike E 11/05/09
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:7v6dnQiL3KRSh2HX...@giganews.com...
[snip]
> In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
You ARE a complete moron: Everywhere Islam goes it TERMINATES FREEDOM OF
RELIGION through VIOLENCE, INTIMIDATION, AND, eventually, RELIGIOUS TYRANNY.
In fact, it CAN'T SURVIVE in a free country, which is why it USES TERRORISM
to MAKE CONVERTS.
It's happening in EUROPE, AFRICA, THE FAR EAST all the way to the
Philippines, and it will happen HERE, too, if WE DON'T PUSH THEM OUT NOW.
> I don't expect that a devotee of Islam could feel safe in "Freedom of
> Religion" AmeriKKKa with an "Allah Ahkbar" bumper sticker on his car.
GOOD.
They need to get the hell out of here and go BACK where they came
from...NOW.
Ike
haiku jones
Hmmmm....needs more capital letters, I think.
Haiku Jones
FreeThink
Can you imagine the inflection required to read those sentences? It is
kind of amusing if you do it in your own head...
Alan Ford
>> In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
>
> You ARE a complete moron: Everywhere Islam goes it TERMINATES FREEDOM OF
> RELIGION through VIOLENCE, INTIMIDATION, AND, eventually, RELIGIOUS TYRANNY.
>
> In fact, it CAN'T SURVIVE in a free country, which is why it USES TERRORISM
> to MAKE CONVERTS.
>
> It's happening in EUROPE, AFRICA, THE FAR EAST all the way to the
> Philippines, and it will happen HERE, too, if WE DON'T PUSH THEM OUT NOW.
>
>> I don't expect that a devotee of Islam could feel safe in "Freedom of
>> Religion" AmeriKKKa with an "Allah Ahkbar" bumper sticker on his car.
>
> GOOD.
>
> They need to get the hell out of here and go BACK where they came
> from...NOW.
Huh! Exactly how I fell about Christains and pretty much all other
religious douchebags.
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
Lars Eighner
and talented Ike E 11/05/09 broadcast on alt.atheism:
> "John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
> news:7v6dnQiL3KRSh2HX...@giganews.com...
> [snip]
>> In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
> You ARE a complete moron: Everywhere Islam goes it TERMINATES FREEDOM OF
> RELIGION through VIOLENCE, INTIMIDATION, AND, eventually, RELIGIOUS TYRANNY.
Like christers in Maine.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965* use...@larseighner.com <http://larseighner.com/>
296 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.
JTEM
John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against
> all Muslims,
Hey, shit for brains: You keep posting your bullshit to
alt.atheism, where no religion is welcome.
You're not doing this by accident. You're trolling.
John Manning
How about that same kind of insane hatred and fear from freaky
religionists against athiests, asshole?
Human rights are NOT a religious issue.
JTEM
John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> How about that same
Like I said, shit for brains, you're trolling.
John Manning
You're just a cry-baby because you can't refute what I've said.
Just James
Exactly what would an atheist talk about if not religion? Outside of
that context, it is meaningless.
--
Just James
"Not everyone requires a rational explanation before they can believe
something. It's called faith." ~ Zootal (ARM 10/20/2009)
Priceless
JTEM
Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Exactly what would an atheist talk about if not religion?
> Outside of that context, it is meaningless.
The troll is whining because Islam is not receiving what
he believes is it's due reverence... in alt.atheism.
Does that clear things up for you?
John Manning
Your hatred of religion as an atheist approaches religious zeal and
appears to exceed the hatred of many theists for atheists.
Seems that atheism IS your religion.
I personally subscribe to NO dogmatic or zealous ideology. My limits are
to support people to believe whatever the hell they want as long as they
do it without harming others or discriminating against others or
imposing their ideologies on others.
Ike E 11/05/09
"Lars Eighner" <use...@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhfovhp....@debranded.larseighner.com...
> In our last episode, <hdhrei$1hg$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, the lovely
> and talented Ike E 11/05/09 broadcast on alt.atheism:
>
>
>> "John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
>> news:7v6dnQiL3KRSh2HX...@giganews.com...
>
>> [snip]
>
>>> In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
>
>> You ARE a complete moron: Everywhere Islam goes it TERMINATES FREEDOM OF
>> RELIGION through VIOLENCE, INTIMIDATION, AND, eventually, RELIGIOUS
>> TYRANNY.
>
> Like christers in Maine.
Really? "Christers" in Maine are blowing up buses, weddings, shopping
centers, killing key governments officials and opposing clerics, taking over
whole populations and governments by deadly force?
I mean, I know it's rough up there in New England, but I didn't think things
had gotten that bad.
All sarcasm aside, there is NO moral equivalency between what the people of
Maine did and what ISLAM does EVERYWHERE IT GOES.
But feel free to go ahead and make a fool of yourself trying to create
one--that's something CHRISTIANITY allows. Just be sure to keep your mouth
shut when the Islamists move in next door, or your toilet may mysteriously
explode--that's how THEY operate.
Ike
Ike E 11/05/09
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:7qidnWuvZbtOHmHX...@giganews.com...
[snip]
> How about that same kind of insane hatred and fear from freaky
> religionists against athiests, asshole?
>
> Human rights are NOT a religious issue.
That's true--the Muslims DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM AT ALL.
That's why Islam is to religion what the Nazis were to politics.
But you go ahead and keep defending them in the name of "political
correctness"--that's how our own boys are getting killed AT HOME.
Ike
JTEM
John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> Your hatred of religion as an atheist approaches
Like I said, you're trolling.
Smiler
Yours, apparently, already has. I've got your shit all over the inside of my
monitor.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Ike E 11/05/09
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:Zs6dnRf8Xt7WD2HX...@giganews.com...
> JTEM wrote:
>> Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly what would an atheist talk about if not religion?
>>> Outside of that context, it is meaningless.
>>
>> The troll is whining because Islam is not receiving what
>> he believes is it's due reverence... in alt.atheism.
>>
>> Does that clear things up for you?
>>
>
>
> Your hatred of religion as an atheist approaches religious zeal and
> appears to exceed the hatred of many theists for atheists.
>
> Seems that atheism IS your religion.
>
> I personally subscribe to NO dogmatic or zealous ideology.
Yes, you're a whore. We've got that.
> My limits are to support people to believe whatever the hell they want as
> long as they do it without harming others or discriminating against others
> or imposing their ideologies on others.
Then what are you doing DEFENDING Muslims?
Islam was BORN of jealousy, and the jealousy RAGES TO THIS DAY.
Wherever Islam goes, it TERMINATES freedom of religion in all but the most
condescending way, like saying "you can be a Christian, but don't EVER
mention Christ in public, or denounce Mohammad or Allah, or we'll hang you."
Wherever Islam goes, it spreads misery and hardship in the name of its
religion, as is now happening in Europe, Africa, the Far East all the way to
Micronesia and the Philippines, and now the good 'ole US of A.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Islam is to religion what the
Nazis were to politics. If you want to PRESERVE religious freedom in this
nation and keep people safe from tyranny, you have to DRIVE THE MUSLIMS BACK
TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, or NOBODY will be religiously free.
Ike
John Manning
Ha Ha Ha... Mr JTEM, the fanatic bigot, simply can't admit he made a
mistake.
John Manning
Here's what Mr JTEM, the fanatic hateful bigot snipped:
Just James
> Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Exactly what would an atheist talk about if not religion?
>> Outside of that context, it is meaningless.
>
> The troll is whining because Islam is not receiving what
> he believes is it's due reverence... in alt.atheism.
>
religious affiliation? The smarter atheists I know would think it was a
good thing the license plate was blocked and that it is not a good think
to hate someone because they are a Muslim.
Again, if you remove the religious context, what would an atheist talk
about in an atheist group?
Lars Eighner
and talented Ike E 11/05/09 broadcast on alt.atheism:
> I've said it before and I'll say it again: Islam is to religion what the
> Nazis were to politics. If you want to PRESERVE religious freedom in this
> nation and keep people safe from tyranny, you have to DRIVE THE MUSLIMS BACK
> TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, or NOBODY will be religiously free.
Where there are catholics, mormons, 700 club, and Dobson why would anyone
waste their time worrying about muslims. Almost all of the muslims are over
there. The christers are here and they are armed.
--
Lars Eighner *Atheist #1965* use...@larseighner.com <http://larseighner.com/>
297 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
JTEM
John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> Ha Ha Ha... Mr JTEM, the fanatic bigot, simply can't
> admit he made a mistake.
No mistake, troll, you really did crosspost this to
alt.atheism, and you really didn't do it by accident.
Troll.
John Manning
12 yrs old?
Joe Bruno
> BBC - A US judge has ordered South Carolina not to issue a vehicle
> number plate with a Christian image and slogan.
>
> The state legislature had approved a licence plate with a cross in
> front of a stained glass window and the words "I Believe" written along
> the top.
>
> SEE License Plate:http://www.palmettoscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/I_BELIEVE_SC.jpg
>
> Amendment, which enshrines the separation of church and state.
>
> A similar bid by a group in Florida last year did not pass state
> lawmakers.
>
> 'Unconstitutional'
>
> The case was brought by Americans United, which backs the separation of
> church and state, on behalf of several individuals and Hindu and
> American-Arab groups.
>
> It began after Lt Governor Andre Bauer helped pass legislation allowing
> the number plate in early 2008.
>
> Describing it as a "freedom of speech issue", he argued that given the
> state already permitted 103 speciality vehicle plates it was
> "ridiculous" that there was not one for Christians.
>
> According to local media reports, several hundred people had registered
> to buy the plate.
>
> But Judge Currie ruled that the law amounted to state endorsement of a
> particular religion.
>
> And she hit out at Mr Bauer, saying: "Whether motivated by
> sincerely-held Christian beliefs or an effort to purchase political
> capital with religious coin, the result is the same.
>
> "The statute is clearly unconstitutional and defence of its
> implementation has embroiled the state in unnecessary (and expensive)
> litigation."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8353598.stm
This post has nothing to do with Judaism and will be reported.
John Manning
Bluto thinks he's still in the Navy and can 'report' people for the
crimes he imagines in his Jr High school mind. He sounds like the little
whiny kid who threatens "to tell mommy" when his brother eats an extra
cookie.
LOL! What a pathetic loser!
Ike E 11/05/09
> In our last episode, <hdisd5$qdu$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, the lovely
> and talented Ike E 11/05/09 broadcast on alt.atheism:
>
>> I've said it before and I'll say it again: Islam is to religion what the
>> Nazis were to politics. If you want to PRESERVE religious freedom in this
>> nation and keep people safe from tyranny, you have to DRIVE THE MUSLIMS
>> BACK
>> TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM, or NOBODY will be religiously free.
>
> Where there are catholics, mormons, 700 club, and Dobson why would anyone
> waste their time worrying about muslims. Almost all of the muslims are
> over
> there. The christers are here and they are armed.
More ridiculous assertion by exaggeration.
Grow up already.
Ike
Enkidu
Doesn't refer to Hitler either.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire
tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most
intolerant of all men." - Voltaire
hypa...@comcast.net
No, he isn't. But, you started out here as a troll yourself,
so you have no room to speak.
hypa...@comcast.net
No, he is talking about justice for everyone, no matter
their religion or lack of it. Does that clear things up for
you, troublemaker?
hypa...@comcast.net
> haiku jones wrote:
>
> > Ike E 11/05/09 wrote:
> >>news:7v6dnQiL3KRSh2HX...@giganews.com...
>
> >> [snip]
>
> >> > In this paranoid wingnut climate of fear and hatred against all Muslims,
>
> >> You ARE a complete moron: Everywhere Islam goes it TERMINATES FREEDOM OF
> >> RELIGION through VIOLENCE, INTIMIDATION, AND, eventually, RELIGIOUS TYRANNY.
>
> >> In fact, it CAN'T SURVIVE in a free country, which is why it USES TERRORISM
> >> to MAKE CONVERTS.
>
> >> It's happening in EUROPE, AFRICA, THE FAR EAST all the way to the
> >> Philippines, and it will happen HERE, too, if WE DON'T PUSH THEM OUT NOW.
>
> >> > I don't expect that a devotee of Islam could feel safe in "Freedom of
> >> > Religion" AmeriKKKa with an "Allah Ahkbar" bumper sticker on his car.
>
> >> GOOD.
>
> >> They need to get the hell out of here and go BACK where they came
> >> from...NOW.
>
> >> Ike
>
> > Hmmmm....needs more capital letters, I think.
>
>
tone down his rhetoric and, every now and then, he goes
off like a firecracker. The word tolerance is not in his
vocabulary - even for children.