Bill Donohue: Pope must oust Vatican's 'gay lobby'

[J]

Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they
don't, Pope Francis needs to oust them.










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The "gay lobby" Pope Francis says is at work in the Vatican must be
ousted to prevent further damage to the Catholic Church, says Bill
Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil
Rights.

"The gay lobby needs to be rooted out and hopefully [Pope Francis]
follows the footsteps of Pope Benedict in doing exactly that," Donohue
told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"It's no secret … A gay lobby means that you've got a nest of
homosexual priests who are covering for each other."

On Thursday, it was revealed that Francis, in private remarks to a
Latin American church group, acknowledged that a "gay lobby" is indeed
in existence at the Vatican and must be dealt with.

For months, Italian newspapers have reported that powerful prelates
who are gay exist in the Vatican and that some have become the victims
of blackmailers who have threatened to out them.

Donohue said that over the years, but to a lesser extent now, gay
lobbies have also existed in seminaries and parishes.

"[Bestselling author and Rev.] Andrew Greeley … referred to them as
the Lavender Mafia. We shouldn't have any of these people acting on
their own with their own agenda," Donohue said.

"You've got to crack this open. You're either a priest committed to
Jesus and everything else has to be secondary and once you have
competing interests, whether it be sexuality or otherwise, then you're
the problem and you need to go."



















J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

Honesty. Decency. Integrity

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J wrote:
> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they
> don't, Pope Francis needs to oust them.
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> The "gay lobby" Pope Francis says is at work in the Vatican must be
> ousted to prevent further damage to the Catholic Church, says Bill
> Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil
> Rights.
>
> "The gay lobby needs to be rooted out and hopefully [Pope Francis]
> follows the footsteps of Pope Benedict in doing exactly that," Donohue
> told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.
>

> "It's no secret . A gay lobby means that you've got a nest of

> homosexual priests who are covering for each other."
>
> On Thursday, it was revealed that Francis, in private remarks to a
> Latin American church group, acknowledged that a "gay lobby" is indeed
> in existence at the Vatican and must be dealt with.
>
> For months, Italian newspapers have reported that powerful prelates
> who are gay exist in the Vatican and that some have become the victims
> of blackmailers who have threatened to out them.
>
> Donohue said that over the years, but to a lesser extent now, gay
> lobbies have also existed in seminaries and parishes.
>

> "[Bestselling author and Rev.] Andrew Greeley . referred to them as

> the Lavender Mafia. We shouldn't have any of these people acting on
> their own with their own agenda," Donohue said.
>
> "You've got to crack this open. You're either a priest committed to
> Jesus and everything else has to be secondary and once you have
> competing interests, whether it be sexuality or otherwise, then you're
> the problem and you need to go."
>

turn them lose on all the kids , yay

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kf4lr8dalslb02jlg...@4ax.com>,

J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> enough problems and scandals for the RCC,

What problems and scandals?

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Syd M.]

On Jun 14, 12:02 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> enough problems and scandals for the RCC,

Still refuse to face the real problems I see.

PDW

[MarkA]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have
> the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't, Pope
> Francis needs to oust them.
>

LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the priesthood
because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <pan.2013.06.14....@nowhere.invalid>,

MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have
>> the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't, Pope
>> Francis needs to oust them.
>>
>
>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the priesthood
>because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?

You're certainly right that if all the gays left the priesthood, there'd be
(almost) nothing left.

But the real point is that it is no more or less wrong for there to be
gays in the priesthood than for there to be straights there. There should
(obviously) be neither. The priesthood is always presented as being
occupied by asexual beings. The reality should match the ad copy.

Maybe, someday...

(When pigs fly...)

--
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complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <kf4lr8dalslb02jlg...@4ax.com>, J
<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they
> don't, Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>

• the pope needs to stop ousting gay priests who exclusively sodomize
receptive gay altar boys and leave hetero altar-boys' butts alone.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <hlwdjsd2-270C79...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article <kf4lr8dalslb02jlg...@4ax.com>,
> J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> > enough problems and scandals for the RCC,
>
> What problems and scandals?

• According to Duke it's the very small problem of only a handful of RC
priests who inadvertently ejaculated in boy butts.

[His Holiness The Alcoholic Pope Archie Leach II]

Tell us some more nigger jokes, Syd!

So let it be written
So let it be done

Arch II

[duke]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have
>> the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't, Pope
>> Francis needs to oust them.

>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the priesthood
>because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?

You sure would be gone.

The dukester, American - American

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Five major US scandals and still going strong:
a)Fast/Furious,b)IRS,c)NSA d)News Phone Records,
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[Syd M.]

On Jun 14, 11:10 am, His Holiness The Alcoholic Pope Archie Leach II

I don't do that, so shut up.

PDW

[Brian E. Clark]

In article <kf4lr8dalslb02jlg...@4ax.com>,
jdyo...@ymail.com says...

> "It's no secret ? A gay lobby means that you've got a nest of

> homosexual priests who are covering for each other."

Oh, that's rich! Donohue had no quarrel with almost the
entire Catholic hierarchy for covering for child rapists,
but now he's incensed that gay priests are keeping secrets.

--
-----------
Brian E. Clark

[MarkA]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:18:16 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't,
>>> Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>
>>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
>>priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>
> You sure would be gone.
>

I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises. Even though
there are millions of Catholics in the world, begging the church to take
their money, I wouldn't have the stomach for it.

[RamRod]

"MarkA" wrote in message
news:pan.2013.06.14....@nowhere.invalid...

> I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
> people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises. Even though
> there are millions of Catholics in the world, begging the church to take
> their money, I wouldn't have the stomach for it.

Yep the church used to allow people to pay the church, (indulgences), to
help get their relatives and friends out of purgatory.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <pan.2013.06.14....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA

*** Donating money to ASSist sodomizers strikes me as unChrist like.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <kpg29n$7so$1...@dont-email.me>, "RamRod"

• There's one born every minute.

[Dakota]

On 6/14/2013 7:47 AM, MarkA wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have
>> the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't, Pope
>> Francis needs to oust them.
>>
>
> LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
> Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the priesthood
> because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>

The priesthood is one of the few jobs where no one is asked why they
never married.

[Dakota]

On 6/14/2013 8:52 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <pan.2013.06.14....@nowhere.invalid>,
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have
>>> the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't, Pope
>>> Francis needs to oust them.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>> Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the priesthood
>> because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>
> You're certainly right that if all the gays left the priesthood, there'd be
> (almost) nothing left.
>
> But the real point is that it is no more or less wrong for there to be
> gays in the priesthood than for there to be straights there. There should
> (obviously) be neither. The priesthood is always presented as being
> occupied by asexual beings. The reality should match the ad copy.
>
> Maybe, someday...
>
> (When pigs fly...)
>

Good point.

If the Catholic Church really wanted to end sexual misconduct, they
would castrate each priest upon ordination. No one willing to take a
vow of celibacy would have a reason to object. Castration certainly
can't pose a moral dilemma for a church that for centuries castrated
young choir boys to preserve their high pitched voices. In this case
it would be voluntary.

The god of the Bible required the mutilation of infant's penises.
Certainly that god would approve of castration as well.

The Pope and the members of the college of Cardinals should set the
example by being publicly castrated before the policy is codified.

(When pigs fly ...)

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <kpgmul$24o$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
...

>Good point.
>
>If the Catholic Church really wanted to end sexual misconduct, they
>would castrate each priest upon ordination. No one willing to take a
>vow of celibacy would have a reason to object. Castration certainly
>can't pose a moral dilemma for a church that for centuries castrated
>young choir boys to preserve their high pitched voices. In this case
>it would be voluntary.
>
>The god of the Bible required the mutilation of infant's penises.
>Certainly that god would approve of castration as well.
>
>The Pope and the members of the college of Cardinals should set the
>example by being publicly castrated before the policy is codified.
>
>(When pigs fly ...)
>

Totally agree.

Porcine Airways, Flight 92, leaving shortly.

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and you've got nine Democrats running for the nomination, maybe one or
two of them are Dennis Kucinich. When you have nine Republicans, seven
or eight of them are Michelle Bachmann.

[duke]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:18:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
>>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't,
>>>> Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>>
>>>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>>>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
>>>priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>>
>> You sure would be gone.

>I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
>people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.

What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our own
determination of what we wish to give.

> Even though
>there are millions of Catholics in the world, begging the church to take
>their money, I wouldn't have the stomach for it.

You need to get your Church associations straight first.

[duke]

Oh, boy. Another dumb and unfounded comment.

[duke]

It's a decision they made to dedicate their lives to their flock rather than to
a wife and kids firstly. Jesus, John and Paul did the same thing.

[Malygris]

duke wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>>I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
>>people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>
> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our
> own determination of what we wish to give.

In Germany they get the church tax, ask for monthly payments according to
your income (leaving the final decision to yourself) and, of course, pass
the collection plate around at each service.

Further they expect to be payed for each funeral, marriage or babtism they
perform.

--
Malygris

[Malygris]

duke wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:39:29 +1000, "RamRod" <ram...@truthonly.com.Sword
> of Baal> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"MarkA" wrote in message
>>news:pan.2013.06.14....@nowhere.invalid...
>>
>>
>>> I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to
>>> con
>>> people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises. Even though
>>> there are millions of Catholics in the world, begging the church to take
>>> their money, I wouldn't have the stomach for it.
>
>>Yep the church used to allow people to pay the church, (indulgences), to
>>help get their relatives and friends out of purgatory.
>
> Oh, boy. Another dumb and unfounded comment.

Learn some history!

--
Malygris

[•RLMeasures]

In article <17nor8pair3hh90uv...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:18:16 -0500, duke wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
> >>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
> >>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
> >>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't,
> >>>> Pope Francis needs to oust them.
> >>
> >>>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
> >>>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
> >>>priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
> >>
> >> You sure would be gone.
>
> >I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
> >people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>
> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our own
> determination of what we wish to give.
>

• The tithing rate in the LdS church are about 6x per person what RCs
donate. My guess is that the threat of summary castration in the
Celestial Kingdom for Latter Day Saints who did not pay in full in is a
factor.

[MarkA]

More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their members
make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind on their
tithing.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[Dakota]

That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
...

>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their members
>> make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind on their
>> tithing.
>>
>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.

Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
outside control.

--
"The anti-regulation business ethos is based on the charmingly naive notion
that people will not do unspeakable things for money." - Dana Carpender

Quoted by Paul Ciszek (pciszek at panix dot com). But what I want to know
is why is this diet/low-carb food author doing making pithy political/economic
statements?

Nevertheless, the above quote is dead-on, because, the thing is - business
in one breath tells us they don't need to be regulated (which is to say:
that they can morally self-regulate), then in the next breath tells us that
corporations are amoral entities which have no obligations to anyone except
their officers and shareholders, then in the next breath they tell us they
don't need to be regulated (that they can morally self-regulate) ...

[duke]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:27:29 +0200, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
>>>people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>>
>> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our
>> own determination of what we wish to give.
>
>In Germany they get the church tax, ask for monthly payments according to
>your income (leaving the final decision to yourself) and, of course, pass
>the collection plate around at each service.

I can't relate to a "church tax", whatever that is. The other two are standard
fare. However, these collections are not for local use only, but are diverted,
% wise, throughout the world Church from diocese to archdiocese to the Vatican
and into the hands of the needy.

>Further they expect to be payed for each funeral, marriage or babtism they
>perform.

A Catholic priest, as part of his employment, receives a very small salary. His
housing is paid by the Church collections, etc but owns his own car. So
funerals, marriages, etc are gifts from the recipients for personal services
performed. As is a Christimas gift. And I'm sure they get free haircuts from
parishioners.

[duke]

Show me the money.

[duke]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:20:03 -0400, MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:58:08 -0700, ?RLMeasures wrote:
>
>> In article <17nor8pair3hh90uv...@4ax.com>, duke
>> <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:18:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>> >>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>> >>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
>>> >>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't,
>>> >>>> Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>>> >>
>>> >>>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>>> >>>Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
>>> >>>priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>>> >>
>>> >> You sure would be gone.
>>>
>>> >I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to con
>>> >people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>>>
>>> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our own
>>> determination of what we wish to give.
>>>

>> ? The tithing rate in the LdS church are about 6x per person what RCs

>> donate. My guess is that the threat of summary castration in the
>> Celestial Kingdom for Latter Day Saints who did not pay in full in is a
>> factor.
>
>More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their members
>make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind on their
>tithing.

I'm so happy I'm a Roman Catholic.

[duke]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:

>In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>...
>>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their members
>>> make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind on their
>>> tithing.
>>>
>>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.
>
>Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>outside control.

Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <pan.2013.06.16....@somewhere.invalid>, MarkA

• or have their testicles excised in the CK. If the RCC wants to boost
donations to help pay off the altar-boys they need to add the threat of
castration.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <mtcrr8h10pk2qu0kf...@4ax.com>, duke

• Why? . . Any monies that are donated to an organized religion
disappear just as surely as if the greenbacks had disappeared into the
huge black hole that lies at the center of this galaxy.

Duke: If the pope declared that any Catholic male who does not donate
enough will be summarily castrated before entering RC Heaven, would you
donate more?.

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[Malygris]

duke wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:27:29 +0200, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to
>>>>con people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>>>
>>> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our
>>> own determination of what we wish to give.
>>
>>In Germany they get the church tax, ask for monthly payments according to
>>your income (leaving the final decision to yourself) and, of course, pass
>>the collection plate around at each service.
>
> I can't relate to a "church tax", whatever that is.

There is quite a lot you don't know it seems.

> The other two are
> standard
> fare. However, these collections are not for local use only, but are
> diverted, % wise, throughout the world Church from diocese to archdiocese
> to the Vatican and into the hands of the needy.

Really? The priest in my local church when I was a kid (a man I highly
respected, even after I lost any respect for the organization he worked for)
usually send the money directly to several projects in South America and
Africa run by people he knew. He never said anything about giving it to the
Vatican for redistribution.

When I visited another church I was quite astonished when the priest
announced the money would be used for the local church - after it was
collected! In my own church the money always was used to help the needy, and
the cause was announced before the collection.

>>Further they expect to be payed for each funeral, marriage or babtism they
>>perform.
>
> A Catholic priest, as part of his employment, receives a very small
> salary. His
> housing is paid by the Church collections, etc but owns his own car. So
> funerals, marriages, etc are gifts from the recipients for personal
> services
> performed. As is a Christimas gift.

So you say the church, receiving tax and donations directly from the
believers, pay their priests so little that they have to be supported by
their flock - thus making them pay twice?

--
Malygris

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:17 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>...
>>>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their members
>>>> make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind on their
>>>> tithing.
>>>>
>>>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.
>>
>>Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>>weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>>outside control.
>
>Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?
>

Thank you for confirming your continued stupidity, troglodyte.

[RamRod]

"duke" wrote in message news:91drr8983ikggo39p...@4ax.com...

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
McCormack) wrote:

>>Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>> weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>> outside control.


> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?
> The dukester, American - American

Sorry, you are wrong about him being Muslim, but by the same token, any
religion would be better than yours as that President would get his
instructions from the Vatican.

[duke]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:36:26 +0200, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:27:29 +0200, Malygris <Highlan...@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is wrong to
>>>>>con people out of their money, in exchange for empty promises.
>>>>
>>>> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer offering and our
>>>> own determination of what we wish to give.
>>>
>>>In Germany they get the church tax, ask for monthly payments according to
>>>your income (leaving the final decision to yourself) and, of course, pass
>>>the collection plate around at each service.
>>
>> I can't relate to a "church tax", whatever that is.
>
>There is quite a lot you don't know it seems.

We don't have such a thing. My mistake for thinking you could advise.

>> The other two are
>> standard
>> fare. However, these collections are not for local use only, but are
>> diverted, % wise, throughout the world Church from diocese to archdiocese
>> to the Vatican and into the hands of the needy.

>Really?

For sure, for sure.

> The priest in my local church when I was a kid (a man I highly
>respected, even after I lost any respect for the organization he worked for)
>usually send the money directly to several projects in South America and
>Africa run by people he knew. He never said anything about giving it to the
>Vatican for redistribution.

I can't speak for your church or why a kid would know what's going on. But
today's individual Church parish extends a certain % of collections to it's
diocese, who in turn extends a certain % to the Archdiocese, and on up thru the
Vatican for further world wide distribution to the needy.

There are certain collections which are dedicated at the local level to the
foreign church, such as the Chruch in South America for instance.

>When I visited another church I was quite astonished when the priest
>announced the money would be used for the local church - after it was
>collected! In my own church the money always was used to help the needy, and
>the cause was announced before the collection.

Well, a RCC parish usually has a special collection separate from the main
collection called the "Church building fund". By IRS law, that fund must be
dedicated strictly to Church plant and ground upkeep and operation.

>>>Further they expect to be payed for each funeral, marriage or babtism they
>>>perform.
>>
>> A Catholic priest, as part of his employment, receives a very small
>> salary. His
>> housing is paid by the Church collections, etc but owns his own car. So
>> funerals, marriages, etc are gifts from the recipients for personal
>> services
>> performed. As is a Christimas gift.

>So you say the church, receiving tax and donations directly from the
>believers, pay their priests so little that they have to be supported by
>their flock - thus making them pay twice?

A minimal salary plus parishioner gifts such as Christmas money and specific
gifting for services rendered for the benefit of the individual.

A protest_ant church is normally a standalone "group of people" who tithe their
pastor for his new suits, nice cars and fancy hairdos.

[duke]

Many people expect him to announce he's a muslim right after the 2014
congressional elections. Wouldn't hillary be excited to get his endorsement for
the 2016 presidential election, grik? You're none too bright, are you?

[dolf]

Been worried about Duke's thinking for quite some time now. This
mistaken belief about Obama being muslim is perhaps evidence a greater
problem.

Its kinda like the Gillard v's Rudd leadership question which is
entirely conjured by the press.

That Duke in a conjurer of nonsense.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <kplbli$us7$1...@dont-email.me>, "RamRod"

• A Catholic President needs to be a womanizer like JFK so as to divert
his attention to what really matters.

[dolf]

On 17/06/13 7:50 AM, RamRod wrote:
>
>

Been worried about Duke's thinking for quite some time now. This
mistaken belief about Obama being muslim is perhaps evidence a greater
problem.

Its kinda like the Gillard v's Rudd leadership question which is
entirely conjured by the press.

That Duke in a conjurer of nonsense as delusion.

[dolf]

On 17/06/13 7:50 AM, RamRod wrote:
>
>

Been worried about Duke's thinking for quite some time now. This
mistaken belief about Obama being muslim is perhaps evidence a greater
problem.

Its kinda like the Australian Gillard v's Rudd leadership question which

is entirely conjured by the press.

That Duke is a conjurer of nonsense as delusion.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <vICdnVA8ZefqyiPM...@westnet.com.au>, dolf

<dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 17/06/13 7:50 AM, RamRod wrote:
> >
> >
> > "duke" wrote in message
> > news:91drr8983ikggo39p...@4ax.com...
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
> > (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
> >
> >>> Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
> >>> weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for
> >>> blackmail and outside control.
> >
> >
> >> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok? The dukester,
> >> American - American
> >
> >
> > Sorry, you are wrong about him being Muslim, but by the same token,
> > any religion would be better than yours as that President would get
> > his instructions from the Vatican.
> >
> >
>
> Been worried about Duke's thinking for quite some time now. This
> mistaken belief about Obama being muslim is perhaps evidence a greater
> problem.
>

• Duke's thinking is indeed worrisome. Sometimes his responce indicates
that he did not read the reply.

[duke]

Except in the RCC, the money moves upward to eventual distribution to the
world's needy.

>Duke: If the pope declared that any Catholic male who does not donate
>enough will be summarily castrated before entering RC Heaven, would you
>donate more?.

That's not in the Pope's job description.

[Syd M.]

On Jun 17, 7:11 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:02:40 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

> >In article <mtcrr8h10pk2qu0kfmku54bqq1g1cou...@4ax.com>, duke

> ><duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:58:08 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>

> >> >In article <17nor8pair3hh90uv7l4dv3kchetimc...@4ax.com>, duke

Is that why the bishops and popes are living in such luxerie, Dork?

> >Duke:  If the pope declared that any Catholic male who does not donate
> >enough will be summarily castrated before entering RC Heaven, would you
> >donate more?.
>
> That's not in the Pope's job description.
>
>

How do you know, liar?

PDW

[•RLMeasures]

In article <9mrtr8p58u2cpdtvc...@4ax.com>, duke

• It doesn't have to be in his job description Duke. Even a pope's
Assumption can be infallible if he says it's ex cathedra.

[MarkA]

On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:28:37 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:16:16 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>
>>On 6/14/2013 7:47 AM, MarkA wrote:
>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>
>>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
>>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they
>>>> don't, Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>>> Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
>>> priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>>>

>>The priesthood is one of the few jobs where no one is asked why they
>>never married.
>
> It's a decision they made to dedicate their lives to their flock rather
> than to a wife and kids firstly. Jesus, John and Paul did the same thing.
>

No, it's a decision the church made, early on, to avoid a lot of
inheritance claims from spouses and children of priests who have died.
Anyone who thinks that dedicating their life to denying their own
sexuality is healthy is also crazy enough to believe that a god is
watching them when they jerk off.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[MarkA]

Yes, we know. And I'm so happy I'm an atheist. Funny how that works,
isn't it?

[MarkA]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:17 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
> (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>
>>In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>>wrote: ...
>>>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their
>>>> members make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind
>>>> on their tithing.
>>>>
>>>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.
>>
>>Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>>weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>>outside control.
>
> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?
>
>

Even if it were true, that would be ok with me. I'd much prefer a secular
President, but after 8 years of GW showering money and power on the
evangelical Christians, any moderate President is an improvement.

[duke]

Yep, I win. Satan wins in your case as you lose. God understands.

[duke]

The Pope's job description was written by God. It doesn't include judgment of
us.

[duke]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:21:59 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:28:37 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:16:16 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 6/14/2013 7:47 AM, MarkA wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>
>>>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays have caused
>>>>> enough problems and scandals for the RCC, detracting from all the good
>>>>> deeds the church does on a daily basis. Homosexuals should at least
>>>>> have the decency to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they
>>>>> don't, Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many priests left!
>>>> Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of people enter the
>>>> priesthood because they can't resolve their own sexual identity issues?
>>>>
>>>The priesthood is one of the few jobs where no one is asked why they
>>>never married.
>>
>> It's a decision they made to dedicate their lives to their flock rather
>> than to a wife and kids firstly. Jesus, John and Paul did the same thing.

>No, it's a decision the church made, early on, to avoid a lot of
>inheritance claims from spouses and children of priests who have died.

Nah, that's the latest thrust by non-Catholics. Scripture well opens the door
to the celibate priesthood.

>Anyone who thinks that dedicating their life to denying their own
>sexuality is healthy is also crazy enough to believe that a god is
>watching them when they jerk off.

Some men want to be in the military, some men like asparagus, some men want to
help others. I gather that's hard for you to grasp.

[W.T.S.]

In article <lesur89hb5hcb826n...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> Yep, I lose. "Satan" and "God" both are fucking lies! I should've
> realized that ages ago before I wasted a good part of my life eating
> Catholic shit. Now, I've got nothing to show for it.
>
> The pukester, Catholic Fool.
> ********************************************
> Denounce Catholicism! It's filth.
> ********************************************
You've taken another step, "duke", you're almost ready to leave the
church and think for yourself again.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22270271
>
http://tinyurl.com/anghyfr
>
http://tinyurl.com/a887er9
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4
>
http://tinyurl.com/ayk7czf
>
http://tinyurl.com/43hp62x
>
http://tinyurl.com/b29z62n
>
The methodology of the Religious and the Right has always been:
1. Lie.
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible.
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible.
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie.
5. The lie will then be made into some form of law.
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie.
-> Slow thinkers --> Stay Right!
>
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f

[W.T.S.]

In article <mgsur8d3776l52mug...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> >> >> >? The tithing rate in the LdS church are about 6x per person what RCs

> >> >> >donate. My guess is that the threat of summary castration in the
> >> >> >Celestial Kingdom for Latter Day Saints who did not pay in full in is a
> >> >> >factor.
> >>
> >> >> Show me the money.
> >>

> >> >? Why? . . Any monies that are donated to an organized religion

> >> >disappear just as surely as if the greenbacks had disappeared into the
> >> >huge black hole that lies at the center of this galaxy.
> >>
> >> Except in the RCC, the money moves upward to eventual distribution to the
> >> world's needy.
> >>
> >> >Duke: If the pope declared that any Catholic male who does not donate
> >> >enough will be summarily castrated before entering RC Heaven, would you
> >> >donate more?.
> >>
> >> That's not in the Pope's job description.
>

> >? It doesn't have to be in his job description Duke. Even a pope's

> >Assumption can be infallible if he says it's ex cathedra.
>

> The Pope's job description was written by his own sock puppet and can
> change whenever the Pope wishes!

>
> The pukester, Catholic Fool.
> ********************************************

> Denounce Catholicism! It's hopeless.
> ********************************************
You're wising up, "duke".

[•RLMeasures]

In article <mgsur8d3776l52mug...@4ax.com>, duke

• ?

[MarkA]

Would those be the same scriptures the Church selected and edited?

>
>>Anyone who thinks that dedicating their life to denying their own
>>sexuality is healthy is also crazy enough to believe that a god is
>>watching them when they jerk off.
>
> Some men want to be in the military, some men like asparagus, some men
> want to help others. I gather that's hard for you to grasp.
>

If you want to help others, it's helpful to be true to yourself, first.

[MarkA]

Hah! So *you* say. I say the IPU and the FSM have decreed that those who
worship the false gods will be stewed in marinara sauce for all eternity,
while being impaled on the blessed Horn of Life. Sucks to be you.

[duke]

Not from God's standpoint.

[duke]

YOU.............didn't know this?

[duke]

No, the one's that the Church knows that are fully in accordance with the
teachings of Jesus Christ.

>>>Anyone who thinks that dedicating their life to denying their own
>>>sexuality is healthy is also crazy enough to believe that a god is
>>>watching them when they jerk off.
>>
>> Some men want to be in the military, some men like asparagus, some men
>> want to help others. I gather that's hard for you to grasp.

>If you want to help others, it's helpful to be true to yourself, first.

Or at least think you are. Some worship satan, some worship God. Being true to
yourself can be exactly the wrong thing to be.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <4m31s8hl9mpici7ff...@4ax.com>, duke

• Does the pope's job description from "God" say he should charge 10% for
money laundering at the world's one and only bank that can not be
forensically audited?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <6n31s8h159ng129fq...@4ax.com>, duke

• A God who delights in being worshipped sounds a bit like a narcissistic
human to me.

[MarkA]

In an attempt to answer the problem of evil, I've heard theists claim that
God, who is infinitely good, allows some evil to exist in the world, for
reasons that may not be apparent to us. How is that situation logically
distinguishable from a God who is infinitely evil, but allows some good to
exist in the world? Just curious.

[MarkA]

Go ahead. Worship the wrong god, if you like. You'll be sorry in the end!

[duke]

There's only one. I can't go wrong.

[duke]

I doubt it.

[duke]

Definition of WORSHIP
1 : chiefly British : a person of importance —used as a title for various
officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
2 : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of
expressing such reverence
3 : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual

I give reverence to God.

[duke]

God said "let us make man in our **image**". And so it was done, and by
definition, it had to include man's free will in decision. Man, however, has a
natural sin nature and is unable to handle such free will unless he so desires
and makes the "reasoned" effort to do so. And God waits for our decision. This
is our time to decide - between the time limits of our conception and our human
death.

It's all in our hands.

[W.T.S.]

In article <h873s85ln0nlmp14q...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

And yet, you have, "duke".
>
> The dukester

[W.T.S.]

In article <ib73s858bgq4pvtar...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> >? A God who delights in being worshipped sounds a bit like a narcissistic

> >human to me.
>
> Definition of WORSHIP

> 1 : chiefly British : a person of importance ?used as a title for various

> officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
> 2 : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of
> expressing such reverence
> 3 : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
>

> I give reverence to the Pope's sock puppet.
You sure do, "duke"!

[•RLMeasures]

In article <o973s8924s8br4tn4...@4ax.com>, duke

• agreed

[•RLMeasures]

In article <ib73s858bgq4pvtar...@4ax.com>, duke

• only out of fear of eternal punishment.

[duke]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:50:06 +1000, "RamRod" <ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of
Baal> wrote:

>
>
>"duke" wrote in message news:91drr8983ikggo39p...@4ax.com...

>
>On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
>McCormack) wrote:
>
>>>Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>>> weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>>> outside control.
>
>
>> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?

>> The dukester, American - American

>Sorry, you are wrong about him being Muslim

Oh, he admitted it in so many words on an taped interview.

>, but by the same token, any
>religion would be better than yours as that President would get his
>instructions from the Vatican.

But don't. The Vatican well understands that elected officials are the
officials of all the peoples, Christian and non Christian alike. And the
Vatican is the teaching authority of Jesus' Christian Church on earth.

[duke]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:27:01 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:17 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>> (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>>>wrote: ...
>>>>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their
>>>>> members make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall behind
>>>>> on their tithing.
>>>>>
>>>>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.
>>>
>>>Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
>>>weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
>>>outside control.
>>
>> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?

>Even if it were true, that would be ok with me.

I'm not talking about his religious beliefs. I'm talking about how radical he
could be to America. Many already see him as trying to reduce us to the level
of the 3rd world countries.

>I'd much prefer a secular
>President, but after 8 years of GW showering money and power on the
>evangelical Christians, any moderate President is an improvement.

What **ALL** this money and power? Have I missed something.

[duke]

Especially when eternal love and happiness are in the offering for following

[•RLMeasures]

In article <sg34s8d35cn3ksejb...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:50:06 +1000, "RamRod" <ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of
> Baal> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"duke" wrote in message news:91drr8983ikggo39p...@4ax.com...
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny
> >McCormack) wrote:
> >
> >>>Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of a
> >>> weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail and
> >>> outside control.
> >
> >
> >> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?
> >> The dukester, American - American
>
> >Sorry, you are wrong about him being Muslim
>
> Oh, he admitted it in so many words on an taped interview.
>
> >, but by the same token, any
> >religion would be better than yours as that President would get his
> >instructions from the Vatican.
>
> But don't. The Vatican well understands that elected officials are the
> officials of all the peoples, Christian and non Christian alike. And the
> Vatican is the teaching authority of Jesus' Christian Church on earth.
>

• would Jesus' church hide pedo priests from jusrice?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <j244s8p6p81tni6r3...@4ax.com>, duke

• The RC Jesus/God sounds human to me.

[dolf]

I'm reading in the local paper that the Bishop of Sale has called them
Judases.

We're Australian here.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <_cadnW28BI_Kxl_M...@westnet.com.au>, dolf

> > • would Jesus' church hide pedo priests from justice?

> >
>
> I'm reading in the local paper that the Bishop of Sale has called them
> Judases.

• without Judas Iscariot, Jesus would likely have died of old age,
there would have been no one-time perfect sacrifice to pay someone for
mankind's sins, and all of us would be headed Straight to Hell. to be
tortured forever and ever in very ouchy Hellfire.

• "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented
myself from Christian assemblies."
- - Benjamin Franklin,

Puck was for damn sure right about us Kenny.

[duke]

No, but some employees might hide them from jusrice [sic].

The dukester, American - American

[duke]

Congrats. Few protest_ants catch on.

[MarkA]

It sounds like you're saying that God really *IS* infinitely evil. Most
theists take the opposite stand. After all, if we have a "sin nature",
and we are made in God's image, then God must *really* have a sin nature,
right?

>
> The dukester, American - American
>
> ******************************************** Repeal Obama - most impotent
> president ever. Five major US scandals and still going strong:
> a)Fast/Furious,b)IRS,c)NSA d)News Phone Records, e)Selective enforcement
> of environmental laws ********************************************

"selective enforcement of environmental laws"? Obama's a policeman, now,
too?

Theists remind me of a man wearing a paisley shirt, a striped jacket, and
a wide, polka-dot tie, who looks at himself in the mirror, and cannot see
how *ridiculous* he looks!

[MarkA]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:10:01 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:27:01 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:49:17 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC), gaz...@shell.xmission.com
>>> (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <kpjjad$814$2...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>>>>wrote: ...
>>>>>> More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their
>>>>>> members make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall
>>>>>> behind on their tithing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>That's why Romney didn't want to release his tax returns.
>>>>
>>>>Good point. Yet another reason why we should never allow any member of
>>>>a weird cult to become president. Too much opportunity for blackmail
>>>>and outside control.
>>>
>>> Well, we have a muslim right now. Is that ok?
>
>>Even if it were true, that would be ok with me.
>
> I'm not talking about his religious beliefs. I'm talking about how
> radical he could be to America. Many already see him as trying to reduce
> us to the level of the 3rd world countries.
>

And many see him as trying to get America caught up to the rest of the
first world countries.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <nrt5s8ht82s83dudd...@4ax.com>, duke

• Well that's an improvement over accusing all of the altar-boys of being
the lying spawn of Satan.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <jtt5s8lki889tlo5f...@4ax.com>, duke

• I am not a Prot. My take is that the too-human RC Jesus/God is a fake.

[Dreamer In Colore]

You are a moron. He's saying that the RC version of sky pixie is a
human creation.

Thank you for demonstrating your stupidity yet again, Dork.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <pan.2013.06.20....@nowhere.invalid>,

Mixing patterns is totally in fashion today.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[MarkA]

Even paisley, polka-dots AND stripes? Am I THAT out of touch with pop
culture?

--
MarkA

"If you let the members of America's corporate elite go
unsupervised and unaccountable, they will kill people..."

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:55:21 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote
in alt.atheism:

Isn't that Pop Art?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <pan.2013.06.20...@nowhere.invalid>,

I'd have to see the actual pieces. Polka dots and stripes are definitely
compatible; it would depend on the particular paisley whether it would
work.

The fashion rules are gone: It's okay to wear white after Labor Day.
Brightly colored bottoms are all the rage. It's fine to mix colors that
you never would have mixed before. And, yes, mixing patterns is okay.

[%]

i only wear blue and black and chrome

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:37:08 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:

Presumably none of these apply to men or will we get the '70s again?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <l427s8d1rm6tbrot6...@4ax.com>,

I guess it depends on how hip a guy is.

[Dakota]

Perhaps the old fashion rules are gone for now. Whoever can make them
go away can bring them back.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kq0pp8$v29$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

Just saw an outfit on QVC--a flowered cardigan worn as a blouse with a
striped jacket over it (skinny horizontal stripes).

[%]

what do you do between posts , pee

[MarkA]

So, you're saying that fashion rules are arbitrary? Is there no such
thing as "objective fashion rules"?

This discussion is reminding me of the movie, "Serial Mom". For me, the
height of fashion sense is modeled by Jake and Elwood Blues.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[MarkA]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:59:34 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:50:20 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:45:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:07:10 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 15:31:06 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:24:06 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:48:21 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:20:03 -0400, MarkA
>>>>>>> <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:58:08 -0700, ?RLMeasures wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <17nor8pair3hh90uv...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>>>>>>> <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:19:09 -0400, MarkA
>>>>>>>>>> <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:18:16 -0500, duke wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:55 -0400, MarkA
>>>>>>>>>> >> <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:02:13 -0700, J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Dr. Donahue has said what clearly needed to be said. Gays
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have caused enough problems and scandals for the RCC,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> detracting from all the good deeds the church does on a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> daily basis. Homosexuals should at least have the decency
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to leave the priesthood voluntarily but if they don't,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pope Francis needs to oust them.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>LOL. If gays left the priesthood, there wouldn't be many
>>>>>>>>>> >>>priests left! Perhaps it never occurred to you that a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>people enter the priesthood because they can't resolve their
>>>>>>>>>> >>>own sexual identity issues?
>>>>>>>>>> >>

>>>>>>>>>> >> You sure would be gone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >I could never be a priest in the first place. I think it is
>>>>>>>>>> >wrong to con people out of their money, in exchange for empty
>>>>>>>>>> >promises.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What con? The RCC has no tithing. It's all volunteer
>>>>>>>>>> offering and our own determination of what we wish to give.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ? The tithing rate in the LdS church are about 6x per person
>>>>>>>>> what RCs donate. My guess is that the threat of summary
>>>>>>>>> castration in the Celestial Kingdom for Latter Day Saints who
>>>>>>>>> did not pay in full in is a factor.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>More to the point, the church elders know *exactly* how much their
>>>>>>>>members make, and keep close track to make sure they don't fall
>>>>>>>>behind on their tithing.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm so happy I'm a Roman Catholic.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, we know. And I'm so happy I'm an atheist. Funny how that
>>>>>>works, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, I win. Satan wins in your case as you lose. God understands.
>>>
>>>>Hah! So *you* say. I say the IPU and the FSM have decreed that those
>>>>who worship the false gods will be stewed in marinara sauce for all
>>>>eternity, while being impaled on the blessed Horn of Life. Sucks to
>>>>be you.
>>>
>>> Not from God's standpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>Go ahead. Worship the wrong god, if you like. You'll be sorry in the
>>end!
>
> There's only one. I can't go wrong.
>
>

You know this...how? You read the sales brochure produced by those
selling the One True Religion, and decided not to look any further? Or,
perhaps you had it drummed into your head as a child, and have been
unable/unwilling to consider any alternatives?

Did you know that the term "atheist" was originally used by the Romans
when referring to Christians, because they didn't worship the Roman gods?