Hey Guys,
We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
Does anybody else agree with me?
..
Remember: A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help you move a body.
Let me know if I ever need to bring a shovel..
SPUNKY
You bet your bottom dollar that I agree. But then again, in my opinion, a
society that devalues half of its population is not a healthy society. And
one that actively harms members of its society due to their gender is a sick
society.
--
Chani
atheist #1118
Head of the EAC! Why? Because I said so!!
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>
>
>Hey Guys,
>We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>Does anybody else agree with me?
IMO, role expectations based on differences in physiological equipment
are justified only to the extent that the differences in physiological
equipment are essential for success in the role.
Or, they can justified because it's fun for both, and nobody else's
business.
Jim2002
What proof do you have that it is more accepted in the South? And among
whom?
Will
In many relationships one partner tends to be slightly more dominant,
but I see no reason whatsoever that this should always be the woman.
As long as both concerned are happy with the arrangement, I don't
see that it really matters or is anybody elses business.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
I was talking about before the civil war. Like it was ok for a man to
have sexual relations with a black women slave, but a complete no-no
for a women to have sexual relations with a black man slave. If the
white women had conceived a child she'd be shunned from the town and
the black man would be murdered. There for there was a double
standard back then, and the women had to be submissive or else.
>spunky wrote:
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>
>In many relationships one partner tends to be slightly more dominant,
>but I see no reason whatsoever that this should always be the woman.
>As long as both concerned are happy with the arrangement, I don't
>see that it really matters or is anybody elses business.
Well yeah, I understand that... It's the crap that ends up on "Jerry
Springer" and some husbands really are like that. They think they can
beat there wife's and try to control a there every move. That's what
pisses me off... The men think that the women has no say so in the
relationship what so ever. That's what I don't understand. How can
someone be so cruel to somebody that they supposedly love? I've never
been in that kind of situation, but I know one of my friends who has
been. And to me it's really fucked up and those guys that treat women
like shit need help.
I don't think I'd trst anything on that show to be real. That said...
> They think they can
> beat there wife's and try to control a there every move. That's what
> pisses me off... The men think that the women has no say so in the
> relationship what so ever. That's what I don't understand. How can
> someone be so cruel to somebody that they supposedly love? I've never
> been in that kind of situation, but I know one of my friends who has
> been. And to me it's really fucked up and those guys that treat women
> like shit need help.
I don't understand that myself. If anything I'm the opposite, a
pretty passive kind of guy who lets others set the agenda most
of the time.
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:07:16 +0000, Graham Kennedy
> <gra...@adeadend.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> spunky wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>
>> In many relationships one partner tends to be slightly more dominant,
>> but I see no reason whatsoever that this should always be the woman.
>> As long as both concerned are happy with the arrangement, I don't
>> see that it really matters or is anybody elses business.
>
>
> Well yeah, I understand that... It's the crap that ends up on "Jerry
> Springer" and some husbands really are like that. They think they can
True (and so are some wives, though that number seems significantly
lower)
> beat there wife's and try to control a there every move. That's what
> pisses me off... The men think that the women has no say so in the
> relationship what so ever. That's what I don't understand. How can
> someone be so cruel to somebody that they supposedly love? I've never
I would guess: because they have a fucked-up idea of what love is,
or because the love ain't there no more.
[There are probably lots of contributing factors to any given case
- home life as a child, power relationships outside the home, ...]
> been in that kind of situation, but I know one of my friends who has
> been. And to me it's really fucked up and those guys that treat women
> like shit need help.
Agreed.
Have Fun
Martin
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>
>
> Hey Guys,
> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
> Does anybody else agree with me?
>
I am pretty introverted so being submissive to me would take sedatives...;)
I usually find myself with very gregarious and outspoken women. Here in
SoCal the women are pretty assertive for the most part. That suits me fine.
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>spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:el30tu4f7m0jfv62i...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Guys,
> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>
>I am pretty introverted so being submissive to me would take sedatives...;)
I don't understand.. sorry
>I usually find myself with very gregarious and outspoken women. Here in
>SoCal the women are pretty assertive for the most part. That suits me fine.
:) hehe
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:26:00 GMT, Dave W
> <yermon...@mydoor.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>>spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>news:el30tu4f7m0jfv62i...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My
>>> dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or
>>> extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off.
>>> Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know
>>> that the bible says women should be submissive, but I think people
>>> take this too far. Does anybody else agree with me?
>>>
>>I am pretty introverted so being submissive to me would take
>>sedatives...;)
>
> I don't understand.. sorry
>
I am not very outgoing(without Southern Comfort)...
>spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:u5j0tuoerlrjag34i...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:26:00 GMT, Dave W
>> <yermon...@mydoor.netinvalid> wrote:
>>
>>>spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:el30tu4f7m0jfv62i...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My
>>>> dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or
>>>> extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off.
>>>> Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know
>>>> that the bible says women should be submissive, but I think people
>>>> take this too far. Does anybody else agree with me?
>>>>
>>>I am pretty introverted so being submissive to me would take
>>>sedatives...;)
>>
>> I don't understand.. sorry
>>
>I am not very outgoing(without Southern Comfort)...
Ha ok.. thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
Good for your dad. It's unusual to find a man with the balls these days
to put a woman in her place.
<....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue out of
cheek...>
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
>
>
>Hey Guys,
>We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>Does anybody else agree with me?
>
I prefer benevolent insoucience, spiced with a dash of passive
aggressiveness..
PS
>
>
> Hey Guys,
> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
> Does anybody else agree with me?
I want a partner, not a doormat.
--
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>We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>Does anybody else agree with me?
Social evolution. I can't really call treating others like human
beings as being feminist, either.
Your grandma still has the idea of "courting" stuck in her head.
Socially, that is long gone. Eventually it will die out completely,
like many aspects of society do.
--
Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"Living in this universe is like existing in a Java virtual machine and then trying to prove that the hardware machine doesn't exist because of one thing or another except that machines aren't stupid enough to start theological arguments."
- Bugaboo, SA Forums
>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>
>I want a partner, not a doormat.
What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably be
inflatable. Bonus!
--
Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"At least Lucifer only has fundie defamation to link him to any violent crimes. If you actually read the texts, it seems his only true crime was telling Yahweh to shove it."
- DarkAngel, alt.atheism
> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>
>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>
>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>
> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably be
> inflatable. Bonus!
>
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND A DOORMAT THAT DOESN'T CHAFE?
> Hey Guys,
> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
> Does anybody else agree with me?
Well, guess who wrote the bible and the other religious books? (Hint:
It wasn't the ones wearing dresses or veils.)
Personally, if I wanted a woman for companionship, I would want a
partner and not a slave. I would find a very submissive woman as
boring as hell.
>
>
> ..
> Remember: A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help
> you move a body.
> Let me know if I ever need to bring a shovel..
> SPUNKY
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
It was the schoolboy who said: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
- Mark Twain (1835-1910).
> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>
>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Guys,
>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>
>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>
> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably be
> inflatable. Bonus!
>
Doormats is what exes is for :)
>
>
>Hey Guys,
>We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>Does anybody else agree with me?
Personally I think women should do what I tell them. But on the other
hand I think that *everyone* should do what I tell them... I mean,
it's the most sensible option (if you ask me).
More seriously, I tend to lean in favour of the socio-economic
explanation. Until fairly recently most women, particularly in the
middle classes, were simply incapable of earning a living, and were
dependent upon either their family or husband for more or less
everything (there's more to it than that of course, but I don't want
to write a book). If you don't have economic independence, or at least
the possibility of it, you tow the line. It's that simple and over
time this becomes institutionalized and part of the fabric of society.
In recent times, however, women have found it possible to become
economically independent, and that in turn means that if they perceive
a domestic situation to be intolerable, they can leave. I don't think
this is a matter of "womens rights," but a matter of economic fact:
reduced economic dependency means greater independence and that in
turn is starting to become institutionalized - but when the new starts
to supersede the old there's always friction as always results from
the clash of institutionalized world-views.
Moral: get the best qualifications and job you can and your rights
will be a matter of fact not some abstract entity that exists in
theory but not in practice.
Now, why isn't my dinner on the table? And have you brought the coal
in?
Just use the little packet that should have came in the box.
... eh, well I suppose I've written odder things.
--
Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"Religion is kind of like wearing lifts in your shoes. If it helps you to feel better about yourself or whatever, fine, I don't have a problem with that. Just don't ask me to wear your shoes."
- George Carlin
>So Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> was sayin':
>
>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>
>>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>>>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>>>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>>>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>>>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>>>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>>
>>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>>
>> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably be
>> inflatable. Bonus!
>>
>
>Doormats is what exes is for :)
I am *not* going to make a nerd joke about executable files.
--
Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"Religion is kind of like wearing lifts in your shoes. If it helps you to feel better about yourself or whatever, fine, I don't have a problem with that. Just don't ask me to wear your shoes."
- George Carlin
> Hey Guys,
> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to there
> husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come men
> always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme about
> it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm just
> getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible says
> women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far. Does
> anybody else agree with me?
>
>
I think that it has a lot to do with biology - in most mammalian species,
the males tend to be more aggressive, competing with each other for the
right to mate with available females, while the females are more inclined
to be nuturing and non-aggressive.
As our societies evolve, we have come to recognize that male domination
is inherently unfair, and females deserve the same rights as males do.
As is often the case, religions act as a barrier to progress, and the
more fundamentalist ones can be extremely oppresive toward women.
Though I am not a scholar of religions, it is interesting that the older
religions tended to be more female-centric, revering a woman's
reproductive ability. As societies evolved, the males began to assert
their dominance, even in divine societies.
--
MarkA
> This space intentionally left blank <
> (Dave W <yermon...@mydoor.netinvalid>):
>
>>Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> wrote in
>>news:p031tuggcgqt1m1vv...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>>
>>>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How
>>>>> come men always expected the women to bow down to there every move?
>>>>> My dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or
>>>>> extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off.
>>>>> Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know
>>>>> that the bible says women should be submissive, but I think people
>>>>> take this too far. Does anybody else agree with me?
>>>>
>>>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>>>
>>> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably
>>> be inflatable. Bonus!
>>>
>>>
>>DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND A DOORMAT THAT DOESN'T CHAFE?
>
> Just use the little packet that should have came in the box.
>
> ... eh, well I suppose I've written odder things.
<blink> <blink>
Perhaps. But not by *much....
--
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________________________________________________________________
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
pockets for new vocabulary."
[James D. Nicoll]
> Hey Guys,
> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to there
> husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south.
I grew up in the South (well, on the Western end of it <g>). The idea of
Southern women being "submissive" makes me giggle.
> How come men
> always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme about
> it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm just
> getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible says
> women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far. Does
> anybody else agree with me?
I think the idea of ANYBODY being "submissive" is wrong. "Submissive" is
for slaves.
>
> "spunky" <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:el30tu4f7m0jfv62i...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>
>>
>> ..
>> Remember: A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help
> you move a body.
>> Let me know if I ever need to bring a shovel.. SPUNKY
>
>
> Good for your dad. It's unusual to find a man with the balls these days
> to put a woman in her place.
>
>
> <....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue out of
> cheek...>
>
Damn, I didn't know Woden could run that fast...
Ha! Not fast enough!
<pulls out wand and turns Woden into a flea-infested, geriatric rat with
heartburn>
That'll show ya! :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
Delighted Member of SMASH
#1557
WWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!?!?
>
>
><....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue out of
>cheek...>
Why I oughta! (and I think I will too!) ;)
Good answer, but consider this: about 60% of Southerners are
"unchurched," (this is a Baptist statistic) meaning they're Christians
but not practicing.
I've spent equal portions of my adult life in the deep South and in
the Northeast. Whatever happens at the SB Convention, Southern women
seem to have a lot of spunk and a lot of guts, especially these days.
Some may look like Tammy Faye, but that doesn't mean they think like
Steppford wives.
This is just a personal observation, and hardly scientific, but I
think I saw more submissive wives among certain large ethnic groups in
the Northeast -- Latins and Southern Europeans -- than I ever saw in
the Anglo South. To aggravate matters, Latins and Southern Europeans
are mostly Catholic and are under considerable pressure from their
families and friends to stay married no matter how doltish and abusive
their husbands might be. Baptists don't seem to fret dropping their
husbands if need be.
Will
The way I see it, ideally, unless the males are total,
might-makes-right, rapist miscreants, males compete to win the favor
of the females, who ultimately select who they will allow to mate with
them. At least that's how I think it works, with the females selecting
from the most colorful, the healthiest, the most able providers, or
whatever trait they select as being important to them. Males are
merely the drones, allowed the illusion of superiority by the females,
who then use the pitiful creatures, able only to think with dicks, for
their own intents and purposes...:)
PS
Damnit! Why does that always happen?!? Hrumph, back to the shop with this
piece of junk!
But aren't you submissive to the LAW....? RULES ? ect...
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I see a conflict now that women are waking up to new challenges. While
women are doing more than ever before, society clings to old views and
warped views that devastate women's psyche because many are left
unprogrammed with confusing paths before them complicated by religious
fanatics on one hand, and sexuality issues from themselves, men, and even
other women. Commercials can show a woman working hard to sell soap, or
seductive to sell a shampoo or new car. New car commercials often portray
women as dancing, giddy, or totally submissive. That concern for the
opinions of generalized others still wreaks havoc on women today because
they see the fanatics that want them to go back as slaves, the sensual side
from commercials and relationships, and the need for respect of others that
they see falling in multiple groups.
No, I obey and respect laws and rules. I am NOT submissive.
Is that how you like your womenfolk, fake Ed?
Alrighty then.....You try sneaking behind that tree over there to his left. I'm
going to go to the right and hide behind that boulder that looks like a
wildebeast. When I give the signal, GET HIM!
ah, he'll get better... ;-)
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Are my girls playing?
(Yes, Robyn. You are MINE.)
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Woohoo. You sure know how to make an old broad feel young again :)
However, we must be careful - My husband is lurking in this newsgroup (really)
:D
Actually, it's St. Paul (with his world denying Greek philosophy)
that
says women should be submissive and should button up in church where
male authority carries the day. That was then.
Paul could not find the guts, since he bought big time into
recognizing and being submissive to Roman Emperial power, to even
point out the incompatibility of Christianity and slavery. Slaves,
too, were to be submissive. Yes, Paul thought, at first anyway, that
Christ would be returning to earth from heaven shortly. Another error
of Paul's. And, what's this submission thing in a
religious context? They tell me Islam means submission in some
language.
Jesus, we know, made the big error of getting crucified too early in
his
career and did not stick around long enough to spin up Paul and Peter,
too,
on the merits and basic spiritual equality of females. However, I
presume
the gospel writers were male. Still they were Christian enough to
realize Jesus
was one of the ancient world's first radical feminists and so we find
the
gospel narratives portraying a Jesus who admires and respects females
to whom he always seems to related well. (Yes, Paul you could have
picked up a few pointers from the flesh and blood Jesus of Nazareth
and saved the world (and women) much pain.
So, not long after Paul the Church was gaining great influence and
power in the Empire. And along comes the Church Fathers who, on the
subject of
women, seemed to have taken their cue from Paul rather than Jesus.
Thus,
these austere men were claiming that every woman, Virgin Mary
excluded, of course, had to be come a man (in her heart) in order to
qualify as a true
Christian and thus also qualify for the joys of heaven. Very sick.
NO???
Then I shouldn't mention the time that you...no, that would be bad. Hey
Mr. Robyn, maybe you'd like to hear about.....oh, no, that ended fairly
badly too...um...so...well, wait! There was that time
that...ewwww....no, no, no, heck, *I* don't even like to think about
that one. And poor Tukla! Um...er...
<whimper> Um...so...Mr. Robyn, does she really weight more than a duck?
;)
Grace
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people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
<....me sees Spunky & Robin sneaking up & pretends not to notice....
Let them "get me"--- it could be fun.....>
*waves to husband*
*runs*
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"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"Surrealism is destructive, but it destroys only what it considers to be shackles limiting our vision."
- Salvador Dali
> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>
>>So Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> was sayin':
>>
>>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>>
>>>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How
>>>>> come men always expected the women to bow down to there every
>>>>> move? My dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't
>>>>> "hardcore" or extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it
>>>>> pisses me off. Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of
>>>>> fenimist...ha... I know that the bible says women should be
>>>>> submissive, but I think people take this too far. Does anybody
>>>>> else agree with me?
>>>>
>>>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>>>
>>> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably
>>> be inflatable. Bonus!
>>>
>>
>>Doormats is what exes is for :)
>
> I am *not* going to make a nerd joke about executable files.
>
And I won't follow up with a computer-themed pun.
...couldn't think of one. :p
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> In article <ut0orvg...@corp.supernews.com>, Woden says...
>>Good for your dad. It's unusual to find a man with the balls these days
>>to put a woman in her place.
>
> WWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!?!?
>>
>>
>><....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue out of
>>cheek...>
>
> Why I oughta! (and I think I will too!) ;)
I already did. It was refreshing!
Did Fake Ed say something? I can't hear him as he's deep in the
killfile...
> In article <a3o2tugj9nji5qfk0...@4ax.com>, Jeremy Martin
*eyes darting left and right* He'd better not be watching me through my
monitor. */eyes darting left and right*
Then there's the...um, let's just say I know Jeremy's happy the stuff
washes off!
But I know _I_ will never look the same way at corn bread ever again.
All the women on my mother's side of the family (all from southern Alabama)
are uppity *g*...my grandmother brought them up right!
hehehe... alright I'll get you...;)
Yep and we are having fun too!!! Right gals? Lets get these
guys..hehe
Nah. You just ask if he prefers the left, right, or middle of the
waterbed.
Then you run.
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She'll find herself compared to a duck one of these days :-P
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a.a 1984
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Yeah, help removing my boot from where their teeth used to be.
hmmm... in that case...
hey, Robyn!
DUCK!!!
(and cover)
Zing!
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Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"The first of April is the day we remember what we are the other 364 days of the year."
- Mark Twain
>So Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> was sayin':
>
>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>
>>>So Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> was sayin':
>>>
>>>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>>>
>>>>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How
>>>>>> come men always expected the women to bow down to there every
>>>>>> move? My dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't
>>>>>> "hardcore" or extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it
>>>>>> pisses me off. Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of
>>>>>> fenimist...ha... I know that the bible says women should be
>>>>>> submissive, but I think people take this too far. Does anybody
>>>>>> else agree with me?
>>>>>
>>>>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>>>>
>>>> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably
>>>> be inflatable. Bonus!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Doormats is what exes is for :)
>>
>> I am *not* going to make a nerd joke about executable files.
>>
>
>And I won't follow up with a computer-themed pun.
>
>...couldn't think of one. :p
This conversation never existed.
3, 2, 1..
> (Dave W <yermon...@mydoor.netinvalid>):
>
>>Jeremy Martin <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> wrote in
>>news:p031tuggcgqt1m1vv...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> ("Dr. Smartass" <g3e3k...@astroboymypantsmail.com>):
>>>
>>>>So spunky <spun...@hotmail.com> was sayin':
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How
>>>>> come men always expected the women to bow down to there every
>>>>> move? My dad expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't
>>>>> "hardcore" or extreme about it. Even the fact the he expects it
>>>>> pisses me off. Maybe I'm just getting to be too much of
>>>>> fenimist...ha... I know that the bible says women should be
>>>>> submissive, but I think people take this too far. Does anybody
>>>>> else agree with me?
>>>>
>>>>I want a partner, not a doormat.
>>>
>>> What about a partner that can be used for both? They would probably
>>> be inflatable. Bonus!
>>>
>>
>>DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND A DOORMAT THAT DOESN'T CHAFE?
>
> Just use the little packet that should have came in the box.
You mean the powdered cheese?
>
> ... eh, well I suppose I've written odder things.
>
Me too but this is a public forum...
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>In article <pan.2002.11.12.15....@no.where>, none says...
>>
>>On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:02:07 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
>>> In article <ut20g3d...@corp.supernews.com>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
>>
>>>>Damn, I didn't know Woden could run that fast...
>>
>>> Ha! Not fast enough!
>>> <pulls out wand and turns Woden into a flea-infested, geriatric rat with
>>> heartburn>
>>> That'll show ya! :)
>>
>>i think your wand must be miscalibrated. he looks more like a newt to
>>me...
>
>Damnit! Why does that always happen?!? Hrumph, back to the shop with this
>piece of junk!
That's what happens when you store your wands and your vibrating
broomsticks near each other.
--
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Zymurgist # 2
>Actually, it's St. Paul (with his world denying Greek philosophy) that
>says women should be submissive and should button up in church where
>male authority carries the day.
Which he stole from earlier religions. (Judaism wasn't exactly
feminist.)
>Yes, Paul thought, at first anyway, that
>Christ would be returning to earth from heaven shortly. Another error
>of Paul's.
Saul's Christ HAD returned from heaven - as a spirit. Saul never
postulated a flesh-and-blood Christ. He didn't even come on the scene
until Jesus was gone.
Oooh, thanks for reminding me! I need more batteries ;)
Whoa!!!
Boys, you're going to be me in trouble! ;)
(And he prefers the right side, thank you very much)
Pardon?
>DUCK!!!
What?
>(and cover)
Hey where are the scales and my false nose?
Okay, you. Spill it! (or would that be redundant?) ;)
Eeeek! Zip it!
><whimper> Um...so...Mr. Robyn, does she really weight more than a duck?
>;)
Honey....DON'T ANSWER THAT!!! ;)
>In article <ut20g3d...@corp.supernews.com>, Mark K. Bilbo says...
>>
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:15:47 +0000, "Woden" <wo...@charter.net> in <ut0orvg...@corp.supernews.com> proclaimed to the world...
>>
>>>
>>> "spunky" <spun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:el30tu4f7m0jfv62i...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>> We where talking in history today about women being submissive to
>>>> there husbands, and how it was more accepted in the south. How come
>>>> men always expected the women to bow down to there every move? My dad
>>>> expects his wife to be submissive, but isn't "hardcore" or extreme
>>>> about it. Even the fact the he expects it pisses me off. Maybe I'm
>>>> just getting to be too much of fenimist...ha... I know that the bible
>>>> says women should be submissive, but I think people take this too far.
>>>> Does anybody else agree with me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..
>>>> Remember: A friend will help you move. A really good friend will help
>>> you move a body.
>>>> Let me know if I ever need to bring a shovel.. SPUNKY
>>>
>>>
>>> Good for your dad. It's unusual to find a man with the balls these days
>>> to put a woman in her place.
>>>
>>>
>>> <....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue out of
>>> cheek...>
>>>
>>
>>Damn, I didn't know Woden could run that fast...
>
>Ha! Not fast enough!
>
><pulls out wand and turns Woden into a flea-infested, geriatric rat with
>heartburn>
Whoa! Those Hitachis have more attachments and functions than
you can shake a stick at.
;-)
>
>That'll show ya! :)
>
>Robyn
>Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
>Delighted Member of SMASH
>#1557
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>>That's what happens when you store your wands and your vibrating
>>broomsticks near each other.
>Oooh, thanks for reminding me! I need more batteries ;)
Your *magic* wand runs on batteries? :)
> On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:27:53 GMT, Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>
> posted in alt.atheism:
>
>
>>>That's what happens when you store your wands and your vibrating
>>>broomsticks near each other.
>
>>Oooh, thanks for reminding me! I need more batteries ;)
>
> Your *magic* wand runs on batteries? :)
Don't they all?
Um, no, solar power. Why do you ask ;)
Heat generated by friction? (Hiya Mr. Robyn, how ya like it here so far?
;))
Grace
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a.a. #1752, BAAWA Knight who Demands Shrubbery!
"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur."
"Run with wind and weather to the music of the sea
All four winds together can't bring the world to me
Chase the wind around the world, I want to look at life..
In the available light!"
Rush -=- Available Light
>In article <e016tucjtss1uooii...@Pern.rk>, Al Klein says...
>>
>>On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:27:53 GMT, Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>
>>posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>>
>>>>That's what happens when you store your wands and your vibrating
>>>>broomsticks near each other.
>>
>>>Oooh, thanks for reminding me! I need more batteries ;)
>>
>>Your *magic* wand runs on batteries? :)
>
>Um, no, solar power. Why do you ask ;)
The sun sets and rises from the hoo-hah in the south..
--
Jeremy
"MENTAL GIANT kollegge graduate with a PHD in STUPID!"
"I have a bread machine and you can have it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."
- Fred Stone, alt.atheism
> In article <Xns92C4A8495ACD...@65.82.44.10>, Dr. Smartass
> says...
>>
>>So Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com> was sayin':
>>
>>> In article <ut0orvg...@corp.supernews.com>, Woden says...
>>
>>>>Good for your dad. It's unusual to find a man with the balls these
>>>>days to put a woman in her place.
>>>
>>> WWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT?!?!?!?!?!?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><....runs & hides from the spears & arrows....while taking tongue
>>>>out of cheek...>
>>>
>>> Why I oughta! (and I think I will too!) ;)
>>
>>I already did. It was refreshing!
>
> Okay, you. Spill it! (or would that be redundant?) ;)
If I spill it, I won't have it anymore ;p
Heehee - I'm afraid that he's not going to be joining us with any regularity
until he gets himself a better newsreader. He hates Newsranger ;)
So, for a while at least, I can still be a naughty little girl ;D
If I wasn't naughty, I'm not sure I could say three words strung
together. ;)
>Heehee - I'm afraid that he's not going to be joining us with any regularity
>until he gets himself a better newsreader. He hates Newsranger ;)
>So, for a while at least, I can still be a naughty little girl ;D
Buy him a copy of Agent for <insert favorite reason for buying a
present>.
>On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:35:31 GMT, Robibnikoff <nos...@newsranger.com>
>posted in alt.atheism:
>
>>Heehee - I'm afraid that he's not going to be joining us with any regularity
>>until he gets himself a better newsreader. He hates Newsranger ;)
>
>>So, for a while at least, I can still be a naughty little girl ;D
>
>Buy him a copy of Agent for <insert favorite reason for buying a
>present>.
If he can live without folders (or a killfile, which can be separately -- and better --
provided by a proxy such as Hamster or Nfilter/whatever its new name is), she can give him a
free copy of Free Agent.