In the News: 'Creationism' school opens its doors
Jason Spaceman
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The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
has a "creationism" curriculum.
The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
theory.
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Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
J. Spaceman
Steven Carr
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>From the article:
>---------------------------------
>The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
>Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
>It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
>has a "creationism" curriculum.
>The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
>much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
>Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>theory.
>Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
Steven Carr
ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk
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Christopher A. Lee
This is actually quite old news, and is another nail in the coffin of
Bliar's re-election hopes. It surfaced when Emmanuel College hosted an
international creationism convention addressed by Ken Ham.
Which means they had been operating under cover until they felt
confident enough to go public.
These City Technology Colleges were set up by Margaret Thatcher as a
way of using market forces to reduce government funding in schools. It
was supposed to be a partnership with local industry providing some of
the funding, and teaching kids the skills the industry required. The
"industry" was a chain of used-car dealerships.
Thatcher had this phobia against government involvement and
expenditure, and removed these schools from the regular inspection
process. Instead she formed an independent body called Ofsted which
was supposed to be self-regulating. It turned out that the Ofsted
inspector who gave Emmanuel College a glowing report was the
headmaster of a small Seventh Day Adventist school in North London.
When it was discovered, questions were asked in parliament, and Bliar
sounded just like Bush or Lieberman - waffling about creationism being
a valid alternative that a lot of people believed.
You get this sort of thing happening when proper oversight is removed.
J Yossarian
Interesting -- despite extensive lobbying and legal action, not to
mention substantial public support, creationists in the USA have not
achieved this much. Score one for a written constitution and mandated
separation between church and state.
Cheers,
J
JPG
I can't be absolutely certain, but I believe the school is private,
and I also believe that American private schools can push whatever
religion they want.
However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
time-wasting activities.
These schools are usually popular with parents as they retain a
smattering of the old-style discipline absent from many schools today
and they also attract better teachers. They can usually be
distinguished by strict rules of dress (school uniform).
Apart from a clamour from Moslems for their own faith schools the
schools are usually supported by fairly liberal religions and
therefore there is no chance that "creation science" would be taught.
JPG
>
>Cheers,
>J
Chris Wiswell
"Steven Carr" <ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC), jspa...@linuxquestions.net
> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>
> >From the article:
> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
> >theory.
>
> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>
> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>
I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
Daniel Kolle
>From the article:
>
>---------------------------------
>The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
>Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
>
>It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
>has a "creationism" curriculum.
>
>The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
>much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
>
>Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>theory.
Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
filter the Creationism out.
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>et
>> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>>
>> >From the article:
>> >Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>> >theory.
>>
>> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>>
>> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>>
>
>I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
>"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
>lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
>which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
To comment usefully one would have to know just what they *do* teach.
The BBC story does not go into sufficient detail to judge.
--
PeteM
Al Klein
<DKo...@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>Well, at least they are also taught evolution.
Depends on what they're taught about it.
> The smart students can filter the Creationism out.
Not if it's taught "right".
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Al Klein
<postm...@bermuda.triangle> posted in alt.atheism:
>Chris Wiswell <cwis...@speakeasy.org> averred
>>"Steven Carr" <ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:3f5c6921...@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC), jspaceman@linuxquestions.n
>>et
>>> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>>> >From the article:
>>> >Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>>> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>>> >theory.
>>> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>>> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>>I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
>>"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
>>lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
>>which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
>To comment usefully one would have to know just what they *do* teach.
>The BBC story does not go into sufficient detail to judge.
From the story one can hear the strains of "evolution is only a theory
...."
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Colin Davidson
"Daniel Kolle" <DKo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
> filter the Creationism out.
Lets put this into the perspective of Emmanuel CTC's curriculum.
Start by reading the simple statements here:
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum.htm
Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
And the more specific references to science teaching in the school:
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc-science.htm
There's little room for doubt as to what's being taught in that school. It
saddens me to see such an establishment becoming regarded by many as the
best school in the town I grew up in.
Further digging about will produce this document by the principal and former
principal of that institution:
http://www.christian.org.uk/html-publications/schoolcu.htm
Thought that might help you chaps here get up to speed on how things are
done at this school.
Jeremy Martin
people out into the world. What the fuck does that have to do
with whether you believe in evolution or creationism?
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Robin Levett
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> The goal of the school, as stated in the article, is to
turn good
> people out into the world. What the fuck does that have to
do
> with whether you believe in evolution or creationism?
>
>
Well, since there are scientifically knowledgeable
creationists and there are honest creationists, but no
discernible overlap between the sets, one does wonder what
sort of teacher the school finds to teach creationism - and
what moral example they will set the children.
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Clell Harmon
<ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:39:27 +0000 (UTC), Daniel Kolle
><DKo...@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>
>>Well, at least they are also taught evolution.
>
>Depends on what they're taught about it.
>
>> The smart students can filter the Creationism out.
>
>Not if it's taught "right".
Electroshock?
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On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:20:42 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<m...@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Point of Order:
In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private school so named
with the express intention of confusing foreigners and started,
largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4 times older
than the US) in order to provide well educated but obedient
administrators for the empire.
Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products of the
British Public School system.
>schools are nominally "faith"
>schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
>with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
>is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
>time-wasting activities.
>
>These schools are usually popular with parents as they retain a
>smattering of the old-style discipline absent from many schools today
>and they also attract better teachers. They can usually be
>distinguished by strict rules of dress (school uniform).
>
>Apart from a clamour from Moslems for their own faith schools the
>schools are usually supported by fairly liberal religions and
>therefore there is no chance that "creation science" would be taught.
>
>JPG
>
>
>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>J
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Robin Levett
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Point of information - 6-7 times older than the US; King's
Canterbury is 4 years older than my old school (King's
Rochester), having been founded (originally) in 600AD.
Apparently the roads between Canterbury and Rochester
weren't very good in those days...
> in order to provide well educated but obedient
> administrators for the empire.
>
> Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products
of the
> British Public School system.
>
True, but they are well-educated...
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>"Daniel Kolle" <DKo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
>> filter the Creationism out.
>
>Lets put this into the perspective of Emmanuel CTC's curriculum.
>
>Start by reading the simple statements here:
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum.htm
>
>Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
I loved this snippet from the Art section:
"In practice, we should actively promote exercises which restore the positive,
creative aspects of Art. For example, in a society where human life has become
cheap and worthless, the artist should avoid an approach that would further
degrade man and should seek instead to restore the value of human life. Figure
drawing and life classes should enhance life rather than twist and distort the
human form."
So much for the whole of abstract art, then.
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Lord Calvert
>>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
>
>I loved this snippet from the Art section:
>
>"In practice, we should actively promote exercises which restore the
>positive,
>creative aspects of Art. For example, in a society where human life has
>become
>cheap and worthless, the artist should avoid an approach that would further
>degrade man and should seek instead to restore the value of human life.
>Figure
>drawing and life classes should enhance life rather than twist and distort
>the
>human form."
>
>So much for the whole of abstract art, then.
So much for depicting the crucifixion too.
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Steven Carr
<buy...@interlacken.com> wrote:
>>Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
>>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
>I loved this snippet from the Art section:
>"In practice, we should actively promote exercises which restore the positive,
>creative aspects of Art. For example, in a society where human life has become
>cheap and worthless, the artist should avoid an approach that would further
>degrade man and should seek instead to restore the value of human life. Figure
>drawing and life classes should enhance life rather than twist and distort the
>human form."
Down with this 'Entartate Kunst'!
maff
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>
>
>
> J. Spaceman
M
autod...@city-of-dis.com says...
> In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private school so named
> with the express intention of confusing foreigners
I assume you know the real reason for the naming. For other readers, the
schools were called public since they were open to anyone regardless of
location or other restrictions. The term was coined before the
introduction of fees for attendance of such schools.
> and started,
> largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4 times older
> than the US) in order to provide well educated but obedient
> administrators for the empire.
The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th century as a
charity to teach the poor. It was only later that it went for fee paying
students.
> Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products of the
> British Public School system.
True, Blair is a product of the British public school system. ;)
M
Robin Levett
news:MPG.19cfe25b5...@news.theplanet.net...
> In article <7i8plvo929ss3d9mr...@4ax.com>,
> autod...@city-of-dis.com says...
> > In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private
school so named
> > with the express intention of confusing foreigners
>
> I assume you know the real reason for the naming. For
other readers, the
> schools were called public since they were open to anyone
regardless of
> location or other restrictions. The term was coined before
the
> introduction of fees for attendance of such schools.
>
> > and started,
> > largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4
times older
> > than the US) in order to provide well educated but
obedient
> > administrators for the empire.
>
> The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th
century as a
> charity to teach the poor.
Not even close to being the first. The oldest (currently
public school) is King's Canterbury - founded 597AD; the
second oldest (but the oldest choir school), King's
Rochester, 604AD; both as monastic schools following St
Augustine's evangelisation. The oldest extant public school
in the next wave is Westminster, founded 1179AD. Even
Winchester was founded ahead of Eton.
> It was only later that it went for fee paying
> students.
>
> > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
products of the
> > British Public School system.
>
> True, Blair is a product of the British public school
system. ;)
Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and Scottish
schools are poles apart from English schools.
M
says...
[snip]
> > The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th
> century as a
> > charity to teach the poor.
>
> Not even close to being the first. The oldest (currently
> public school) is King's Canterbury - founded 597AD; the
> second oldest (but the oldest choir school), King's
> Rochester, 604AD; both as monastic schools following St
> Augustine's evangelisation. The oldest extant public school
> in the next wave is Westminster, founded 1179AD. Even
> Winchester was founded ahead of Eton.
Eton was itself also established much earlier than that stated. But the
term public school (as defined in the sense relevant to discussion) was
first used at the time suggested in connection with Eton regardless of
the prior incarnation of the institution.
Just because an institution has been around for over a millenium and is
currently a public school does not mean it has existed as a public
school since inception so providing a list of old school in no way
supports your claim.
> > > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
> products of the
> > > British Public School system.
> >
> > True, Blair is a product of the British public school
> system. ;)
>
> Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
> Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and Scottish
> schools are poles apart from English schools.
He previously attended Chorister School, Durham, a public school, ergo
he is a product of the British public school system.
Robin Levett
All three schools mentioend were established as charitable
educational institutions. If we are going to argue about
the specifics of that purpose, which in large part were
related to the particular era under discussion, then you may
be right that Eton changed to its current status slightly
ahead of the other three. Your original statement, however,
becomes misleading in that context.
>
> > > > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
> > products of the
> > > > British Public School system.
> > >
> > > True, Blair is a product of the British public school
> > system. ;)
> >
> > Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
> > Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and
Scottish
> > schools are poles apart from English schools.
>
> He previously attended Chorister School, Durham, a public
school, ergo
> he is a product of the British public school system.
>
Thanks - I'd not been able to establish where he was in
Durham before he went to Fettes, and drew the (incorrect)
conclusion that he'd been within the state system until
then.
Having said that - The Chorister School is a prep school,
therefore not strictly a public school by the current
definition... ;-)