The RCC problem continues. [URL]

[W.T.S.]

<http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>

http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3

The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <MPG.2c0b8bd17...@news.west.earthlink.net>,

• Is it likely that gay altar-boys are getting forcibly raped by gay
priests? What next, priests "marrying" their favorite altar boy and
living happily ever after?

[PATRICK]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.

From your reference:'
Archbishop Myers, while noting the failures in this case, defended how
his office had handled allegations of sexual abuse over all. “We want
our procedures to be among the strictest in the entire Catholic
Church,” he said. “This has been one of my priorities since becoming
archbishop in 2001 and that will not change. In fact, the archdiocese
has an exemplary record of addressing allegations against our clergy.
During my tenure I have personally removed 19 priests for
substantiated allegations.”

[PATRICK]

Nah, the fags are all gone from the RCC.
They are applying for membership into the BSA.

[�RLMeasures]

In article <gjn4q8d2hit198485...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

� I doubt that all are gone,

[PATRICK]

Well, there were 6 allegations of abuse from priests last year.
Maybe one was a fag. TThe other allegations were unfounded.

News Services ignore Catholic Audit
Bill Donohue comments on media coverage of the 2012 Annual Report on
priestly sexual abuse; the audit was done by StoneBridge Business
Partners, and the data were gathered by the Center for Applied
Research in the Apostolate (CARA):
The report on sexual abuse, part of an annual audit, is available on
the website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Apparently, almost no one has read it. Not a single secular newspaper
in the United States reported on it.
On May 10, I issued a news release saying that "since nearly 100
percent of our priests did not have a credible allegation made against
them last year [there were six out of approximately 40,000 priests],
this should be picked up by the media. But it won't be. Look for the
story to get buried."
I was wrong-it wasn't buried-it wasn't covered at all. Aside from a
few blog posts, and a piece by States News Service, that was it. Why
did the newspapers ignore it altogether? Because the news was good
news, that's why. Had it been bad news-a spike in abuse cases-it would
have been front-page news. But because CARA found "the fewest
allegations and victims reported since the data collection for the
annual reports began in 2004," the story was deep-sixed.
There is bias by omission, as well as by commission. This is clearly a
case of the former. Does it matter? Of course. By not telling the
truth, the media help to feed the sick appetites of people like Bill
Maher: on his May 10 HBO show, he took another shot at the Catholic
Church, saying it welcomes "predators." The titans at Time Warner (the
parent company of HBO) obviously allow Maher to vent his bigotry,
aided and abetted by newspapers which refuse to tell the truth. It's a
very sick nexus.

[Smiler]

> have personally removed 19 priests for substantiated allegations.�

How many has he reported to the local police?
My guess is zero.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Good Morning]

In article <vqa5q8pp3atlrc1hq...@4ax.com>, PATRICK says...

>
>On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:02:07 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>>In article <gjn4q8d2hit198485...@4ax.com>, PATRICK
>><pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:40:26 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <MPG.2c0b8bd17...@news.west.earthlink.net>,
>>> >m1...@earthlink.net wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>> >> for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>> >> nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>> >>
>>> >> The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>> >
>>> >• Is it likely that gay altar-boys are getting forcibly raped by gay
>>> >priests? What next, priests "marrying" their favorite altar boy and
>>> >living happily ever after?
>>>
>>> Nah, the fags are all gone from the RCC.
>>> They are applying for membership into the BSA.
>>
>>• I doubt that all are gone,
>
>Well, there were 6 allegations of abuse from priests last year.
>Maybe one was a fag. TThe other allegations were unfounded.
>
>News Services ignore Catholic Audit
>Bill Donohue comments on media coverage of the 2012 Annual Report on
>priestly sexual abuse; the audit was done by StoneBridge Business
>Partners, and the data were gathered by the Center for Applied
>Research in the Apostolate (CARA):
>

"StoneBridge Business Partners cited limitations,
including "the unwillingness of most dioceses and
eparchies to allow us to conduct parish audits
during their on-site audits." It said that "the auditors
must rely solely on the information provided by
the diocese or eparchy, instead of observing the
program firsthand.

Another limitation is staff turnover in diocesan
child abuse prevention programs. As a result,
"records are often lost, and successors to the
position are often placed in key roles without
formal orientation," StoneBridge reported."

[duke]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.

You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
Now that's what you call desperation.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 01:54:55 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>
>> Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>>
>> From your reference:'
>> Archbishop Myers, while noting the failures in this case, defended how his
>> office had handled allegations of sexual abuse over all. “We want our
>> procedures to be among the strictest in the entire Catholic Church,” he
>> said. “This has been one of my priorities since becoming archbishop in
>> 2001 and that will not change. In fact, the archdiocese has an exemplary
>> record of addressing allegations against our clergy. During my tenure I
>> have personally removed 19 priests for substantiated allegations.”

>How many has he reported to the local police?
>My guess is zero.

My guess is that your guess is zero.

[PATRICK]

On 26 May 2013 23:56:06 -0700, Good Morning <Good_...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

That is because it was merely an audit, paid for BY the Catholic
Bishops. They did not authorize on-site visits of audit teams to over
200 dioceses -- 10,000 parishes across the USA.
Do you have any idea of what that could cost?
As there is, there are hundreds of 'interested" whiners who will be
glad to complain about anything that the RCC does or says. Find them
and then if what they have to say is of ANY substance, investigate
further. We know that will go no where.

[PATRICK]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 01:54:55 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>
>> Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>>
>> From your reference:'
>> Archbishop Myers, while noting the failures in this case, defended how his
>> office had handled allegations of sexual abuse over all. �We want our
>> procedures to be among the strictest in the entire Catholic Church,� he
>> said. �This has been one of my priorities since becoming archbishop in
>> 2001 and that will not change. In fact, the archdiocese has an exemplary
>> record of addressing allegations against our clergy. During my tenure I
>> have personally removed 19 priests for substantiated allegations.�
>
>How many has he reported to the local police?
>My guess is zero.

My guess is 19.
Prove that I am wrong.

[Silen...@hotmail.com]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:55:29 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote:

Compared to the damage that the child sex scandal is doing to the
Catholic Church?

Chicken feed.

Regaining credibility is -expensive-, rightard.

Best to stop whining and pay the bill, because there are many who will
look at the methodology of the audit, roll their eyes and conclude
that the study does nothing to improve the creditability of the RCC.

The media are ignoring the audit for good reason, and the only whiners
in this thread are you and Donohue.

>As there is, there are hundreds of 'interested" whiners who will be
>glad to complain about anything that the RCC does or says. Find them
>and then if what they have to say is of ANY substance, investigate
>further. We know that will go no where.

It's up to Catholics like you, Patrick.

If you don't want to rehabilitate the RCC, who am I to complain.

Heh heh...

Lying racist rightard socialists...

Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.

[Silen...@hotmail.com]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>
>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
>haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>Now that's what you call desperation.

We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.

You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
headlines.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-africa-catholic-abuse-20130505,0,4578310.story

Uganda priest ostracized for publicizing sexual abuse
The Catholic Church suspends Anthony Musaala indefinitely for shining
a light on what he calls an open secret: Sex abuse is a problem in
Africa too.

By Robyn Dixon, Los Angeles Times

May 4, 2013, 6:10 p.m.

KAMPALA, Uganda — He is a celebrity across eastern and central Africa,
a gospel music star known to many as the "Dancing Priest." But for
years he also was a keeper of painful secrets — his own and many
others'.

In going public, Anthony Musaala has forced the Roman Catholic Church
in Uganda to confront a problem it had insisted didn't exist. And he
may stir a debate far beyond Africa's most Catholic of countries.

The Ugandan priest has been suspended indefinitely by the archbishop
of Kampala for exposing what he calls an open secret: Sex abuse in the
Catholic Church is a problem in Africa as well as in Western Europe
and North America.

The African Catholic Church is fast-growing, pious and traditional. As
the church elsewhere forks out billions of dollars to compensate the
child sex abuse victims of priests, few African Catholics have
questioned the assumption, voiced recently by Ghanaian Cardinal Peter
Turkson, that the African church is purer than its counterpart in the
West, which is regarded as secular and permissive.

It's not more pure, says Musaala. He says he has the evidence to prove
it.

"The Vatican turns a blind eye because it doesn't want to be
embarrassed about this blooming church. But I think it's time we had
the truth," Musaala says.

In March, he wrote to the archbishop of Kampala, Cyprian Lwanga, about
priests who fathered children, kept secret wives or abused girls or
boys, and called for a debate on marriage for priests.

One of the cases of abuse he cited involved himself. He was one of
numerous boys sexually abused at 16, he says, by Catholic brothers at
one of Uganda's best boarding schools. He also alleged several other
cases of child sex abuse in his letter.



It would seem that the African Catholic sex abuse scandal is just
starting to break.

[Good Morning]

In article <qml6q815ft4ptsoe9...@4ax.com>, PATRICK says...

You are here being more honest than many of the
Catholic site and forum discussions I've seen about
the recently released report.

There is a great deal of Catholic chatter out there
about how this report is objective, impartial,
comprehensive and "not paid for by the the bishops."
One finds these false impressions used as justification
for demonizing those who for a decade now have been
calling for reports that are not solely reliant on information
provided by the Church.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <vqa5q8pp3atlrc1hq...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

• Bill Donahue does not seem to be completely credible.

$3,000,000,000 is nuthin to sneeze at PB.

Maybe it would be better to leave sleeping dogs be for a while?

[duke]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>>
>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>>
>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
>>haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>>Now that's what you call desperation.

>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>headlines.

What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?

[Silen...@hotmail.com]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>>>
>>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>>>
>>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
>>>haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>
>>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>>headlines.
>
>What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?

The L.A. Times, Dook.

If you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children in Uganda,
then you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <civ9q8dl6mtmh0rtp...@6ax.com>,

Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
> >>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
> >>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
> >>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
> >>>>
> >>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
> >>>
> >>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments
of Catholic
> >>>haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from
long ago.
> >>>Now that's what you call desperation.
> >
> >>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
> >>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
> >>headlines.
> >
> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
>
> The L.A. Times, Dook.
>

• Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.

[Smiler]

I vote for option 2.

[duke]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 14:59:48 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>>>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>>>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>>>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>>>>>
>>>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
>>>>haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>>>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>>
>>>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>>>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>>>headlines.
>>
>>What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?

>The L.A. Times, Dook.

>If you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children in Uganda,
>then you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children.

Why don't you care that's it almost universal that it's "a man" that molests
children. You're more worried about his job title than the fact that you're no
better than he is.

[duke]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

>> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
>> The L.A. Times, Dook.

> • Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.

I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to what men
do to children.

[duke]

Damn men.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <4jlbq8hjjvlj0j9lj...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
>
> > • Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>
> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to
what men
> do to children.
>

• Is Duke losing it?

[duke]

Nope.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <u2rcq8l3a23lpok01...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 May 2013 05:57:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <4jlbq8hjjvlj0j9lj...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
> >>
> >> > • Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
> >>
> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to
> >what men
> >> do to children.
> >>
> >• Is Duke losing it?
>
> Nope.
>

• Can you name this philia?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <ndlbq812vd8me1ae7...@4ax.com>,

Wow. Look at poor poor dukie's latest deflection tactic.

Though I don't see how placing the blame on an entire gender helps
anything.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[•RLMeasures]

In article <hlwdjsd2-6FFB25...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

• It helps critics of "God's Holy Church" JD.

[Smiler]

He lost it many years ago.

[duke]

No speaka da grik.

[duke]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:03:58 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

An intelligent person understands that the problem is with men, not priests.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <25deq8pai1rcopbkd...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 May 2013 14:12:48 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <u2rcq8l3a23lpok01...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 29 May 2013 05:57:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <4jlbq8hjjvlj0j9lj...@4ax.com>, duke
> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
> >> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
> >> >>
> >> >> > • Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't
over yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to
> >> >what men
> >> >> do to children.
> >> >>
> >> >• Is Duke losing it?
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >• Can you name this philia?
>
> No speaka da grik.
>

• _____

[ala...@hotmail.co.uk]

On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >> >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
> > •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>
> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to what men
> do to children.

You first, bonehead.

Naah, I think the only way to ensure prospective catholic priests stay
true to their oath of celibacy is to cut off their goolies as soon as
they enter the (interestingly named) seminary. Whyever not? They (so
they claim) have no further use for them.

But this world is not fair. Catholic priests still have goolies.

[duke]

On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

>On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>> >> >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
>> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
>> > •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>>
>> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection to what men
>> do to children.
>
>You first, bonehead.

I'm not like you. I follow God.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
> >On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >> >> >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
> >> > •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
> >>
> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection
to what men
> >> do to children.
> >
> >You first, bonehead.
>
> I'm not like you. I follow God.
>

• You follow men who claim to be God's earthly reps.

[duke]

They have the commission from Jesus to teach what he taught.

[W.T.S.]

In article <nfgmq8943i2a2j59q...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:36:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (?RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> >On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (?RLMeasures) wrote:
> >> >> >> >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
> >> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.

> >> >> > ?  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.

> >> >>
> >> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection
> >to what men
> >> >> do to children.
> >> >
> >> >You first, bonehead.
> >>

> >> I'm not like you. I follow a sock puppet.
> >>
> >? You follow men who claim to be God's earthly reps.

>
> They have the commission from Jesus to teach what he taught.

Then those men have jack shit.
>
> The pukester, CatholiKKK Con Man.
> ********************************************
> Renounce Catholicism!

> You simply can't fix stupid.
> ********************************************

We are indeed Carcinoma Sapiens, destroying, by insane fecundity, that
which we need to survive.
>
As always, organized religion opposes progress -
>
See what RELIGION does to peoples' minds?
>
Adults no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy - but they still torture and
kill each other over ancient myths and superstitions.
>
"We all remember how many religious wars were fought for a religion of
love
and gentleness; how many bodies were burned
alive with the genuinely kind intention of saving souls from the eternal
fire of hell." --- Karl Popper
>
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When
many
people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion."
--- Robert M. Pirsig
>
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want
to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can
but does not want to, he is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then
he
is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.
>
"Act of God" disasters like the Japanese earthquake expose the myth.
Either
God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like
this, or he doesn't care to, or he doesn't exist. He is thus either
impotent, evil, or imaginary.
--- CNN Belief Blog, 3-20-11
>
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people
to do evil things, that takes religion."
--- Steven Weinberg, quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999
>
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." --- Blaise Pascal.
>
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false,
and by rulers as useful."
--- Seneca the Younger (4? BC - 65 AD)
>
"Religion once ruled the world. It was called the Dark Ages." --- Ruth
Green.
>
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." ---
Victor Stenger.
>
"I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose." ---
Clarence Darrow
>
"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen
>
"Religion was invented when the first con-man met the first fool." -
Mark
Twain
>
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character
in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins
>
"Cult today, religion tomorrow."
>
The Freedom From Religion Foundation: http://ffrf.org/
The Secular Coalition for America: www.secular.org
Secular Student Alliance: www.secularstudents.org
www.infidels.org
www.humaniststudies.org
www.atheistalliance.org
www.americanhumanist.org
http://tinyurl.com/nj32s6f

[•RLMeasures]

In article <nfgmq8943i2a2j59q...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:36:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> >On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >> >> >> >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
> >> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
> >> >> > •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't
over yet.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection
> >to what men
> >> >> do to children.
> >> >
> >> >You first, bonehead.
> >>
> >> I'm not like you. I follow God.
> >>
> >• You follow men who claim to be God's earthly reps.
>
> They have the commission from Jesus to teach what he taught.
>

• Jesus taught that each of us have a private line and we don't need
"holy men" interlopers. This is what got him in trouble with religious
authorities who were full of themselves

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in
the midst of them"
- - - [Matthew 18:20].

[hypatiab7]

On Monday, May 27, 2013 8:55:29 AM UTC-4, PATRICK wrote:
> On 26 May 2013 23:56:06 -0700, Good Morning <Good_...@newsguy.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <vqa5q8pp3atlrc1hq...@4ax.com>, PATRICK says...
>
> >>
>
> >>On Sun, 26 May 2013 17:02:07 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>In article <gjn4q8d2hit198485...@4ax.com>, PATRICK
>
> >>><pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 02:40:26 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> >In article <MPG.2c0b8bd17...@news.west.earthlink.net>,

>
> >>>> >m1...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >>>> >
>
> >>>> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>
> >>>> >> for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>
> >>>> >> nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>
> >>>> >>
>
> >>>> >> http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> >>>> >>
>
> >>>> >> The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> >>>> >
>

> >>>> >• Is it likely that gay altar-boys are getting forcibly raped by gay
>
> >>>> >priests? What next, priests "marrying" their favorite altar boy and
>
> >>>> >living happily ever after?
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Nah, the fags are all gone from the RCC.
>
> >>>> They are applying for membership into the BSA.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>• I doubt that all are gone,
>
> >>
>
> >>Well, there were 6 allegations of abuse from priests last year.
>
> >>Maybe one was a fag. TThe other allegations were unfounded.
>
> >>
>
> >>News Services ignore Catholic Audit
>
> >>Bill Donohue comments on media coverage of the 2012 Annual Report on
>
> >>priestly sexual abuse; the audit was done by StoneBridge Business
>
> >>Partners, and the data were gathered by the Center for Applied
>
> >>Research in the Apostolate (CARA):
>
> >>
>
> >
>

> >"StoneBridge Business Partners cited limitations,
>
> >including "the unwillingness of most dioceses and
>
> >eparchies to allow us to conduct parish audits
>
> >during their on-site audits." It said that "the auditors
>
> >must rely solely on the information provided by
>
> >the diocese or eparchy, instead of observing the
>
> >program firsthand.
>
>
>
> That is because it was merely an audit, paid for BY the Catholic
>
> Bishops. They did not authorize on-site visits of audit teams to over
>
> 200 dioceses -- 10,000 parishes across the USA.
>
> Do you have any idea of what that could cost?
>
> As there is, there are hundreds of 'interested" whiners who will be
>
> glad to complain about anything that the RCC does or says. Find them
>
> and then if what they have to say is of ANY substance, investigate
>
> further. We know that will go no where.

The hell with what it would cost, if it would prevent even just one
child from being raped. We already know that you don't care and will
gladly support any priest who is under investigation. You 'church' is
more important to you that children's lives.

[hypatiab7]

On Monday, May 27, 2013 8:56:44 AM UTC-4, PATRICK wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 01:54:55 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK wrote:

>
> >
>
> >> On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>
> >>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>
> >>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> >>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> >>
>

> >> Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
> >>
>

> >> From your reference:'
>
> >> Archbishop Myers, while noting the failures in this case, defended how his
>
> >> office had handled allegations of sexual abuse over all. �We want our
>
> >> procedures to be among the strictest in the entire Catholic Church,� he
>
> >> said. �This has been one of my priorities since becoming archbishop in
>
> >> 2001 and that will not change. In fact, the archdiocese has an exemplary
>
> >> record of addressing allegations against our clergy. During my tenure I
>
> >> have personally removed 19 priests for substantiated allegations.�
>
> >
>
> >How many has he reported to the local police?
>
> >My guess is zero.
>
>
>
> My guess is 19.
>
> Prove that I am wrong.

You're the one who said 19. It's your responsibility to prove it.

[hypatiab7]

On Monday, May 27, 2013 6:45:41 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
>
> >wrote:
>
> >><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>
> >>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>
> >>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> >>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> >Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.

>

> You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic
>
> haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>
> Now that's what you call desperation.
>

The information in Tim Leedom's "The Book No Pope Would Want You to Read"
is from within the last ten years. And, it I backed up by research. Keep
cruising, Earl. I hope that you live and age long enough to see your Church collapse.

[hypatiab7]

Not nearly. And, the 50,000 young Indian children who died in US and Canadian schools run by the RCC and other Christian sects isn't nearly enough well known.
The adults who survived rapes, beatings, starvation, not being allowed to practice their own religion or speak their own languages have started organizing and reporting what happened to them and other Indian children.
These children were torn away from their families and in most cases, never saw their families again.

[hypatiab7]

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:01:26 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:36:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (�RLMeasures) wrote:
>In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> >> >On May 29, 8:21�pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org (�RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >What headlines? �The Uganda Elephant?

>
> >> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.
>
> >> >> > Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>
> >> >> I think all men should undergo should accept castration in objection
> >to what men do to children.

Good idea. That would mean a lot less Catholic men. It's your religion.
You carry it out. That would include you.

>
> >> >You first, bonehead.
>
> >> I'm not like you. I follow God.

The fact that you claim to see things that aren't there was understood
long ago. The fact that you claim to hear them, is also known. What you
claim to follow isn't believed in in alt.atheism. You are intelectually
unable to accept that.

>
> >You follow men who claim to be God's earthly reps.

Yep. Earl never has been able to think for himself.

>
> They have the commission from Jesus to teach what he taught.
>

That's what your lying church says. No one here, except for brainwashed
fools like you, believes anything your church says.

[hypatiab7]

And you will do anything to protect the men in the job.

>
> >Wow. Look at poor poor dukie's latest deflection tactic.

>
> >Though I don't see how placing the blame on an entire gender helps
> >anything.
>
> An intelligent person understands that the problem is with men, not priests.

The problem is with men who are priests. You can't change this. And you can stop lying about all evidence being from over 20 years ago. More and
more evidence is turning up that is evidence for priestly and higher up
child molestation cases from the last several years all the time. No
amount of giggling will cover that up.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <5e1c7612-3fc5-41b1...@googlegroups.com>,

I think poor poor dukie's is fighting the doubts that he refuses to
acknowledge. If he allows himself to accept anything at all bad abut his
god or his church, he's terrified that he'll lose his faith. And then
where would he be.

[SkyEyes]

On Jun 2, 3:04 pm, hypatiab7 <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:46:58 PM UTC-4, •RLMeasures wrote:

> > In article <civ9q8dl6mtmh0rtp1qf0mdgp7oth64...@6ax.com>,
>
> > SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > >On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > >>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>

>
> > > >>>>wrote:
>
> > > >>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>
> > > >>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>
> > > >>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>
> > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> > > >>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> > > >>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
> > > >>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments
>
> > of Catholic
>
> > > >>>haters.  Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from
>
> > long ago.
>
> > > >>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>
> > > >>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>
> > > >>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>
> > > >>headlines.
>
> > > >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
>
> > > The L.A. Times, Dook.
>
> >  •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>
> Not nearly. And, the 50,000 young Indian children who died in US and Canadian schools run by the RCC and other Christian sects isn't nearly enough well known.
> The adults who survived rapes, beatings, starvation, not being allowed to practice their own religion or speak their own languages have started organizing and reporting what happened to them and other Indian children.
> These children were torn away from their families and in most cases, never saw their families again.

My own older sister, Rebecca, was one such. She was taken away from
her natal family at 4 years of age because her parents were married
"in the Navajo way," instead of in the white man's church. She was
put in the Navajo Children's Home in Cottonwood, Arizona, until it
closed when she was 14. Through the auspices of my parents' church,
all the kids were farmed out to white christian families - perish
forbid that they should go back to their own families on the
reservation! Poor Becky was damaged in a fundamental way that I was
unable to fathom, being only 11 years old at the time. I still miss
her and my heart still breaks for what she had to endure.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[duke]

John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am
sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy
Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not
forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

There's your private line.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <7juoq8t228ncgvnhc...@4ax.com>, duke

• Hardly Duke, the direct/private line in your closet part is found in
Matthew. It has nothing to do with forgiveness.

[duke]

You can't read, rl. V22 says "if you forgive sins, they are forgiven".

That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <65hrq8t6javqmu25i...@4ax.com>, duke

• Different subject Duke. I'm talking about the direct line to God in
our closets.

>
> That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.
>

• ? Duke's thought process remains a mystery. Maybe Duke's normal logic
process was derailed by RC mind games?

[duke]

Sure it's a different subject. V22 is a specific statement on how to handle
sins against God. The closet is just a typical phone booth for general
discussion.

>> That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.
>• ? Duke's thought process remains a mystery. Maybe Duke's normal logic
>process was derailed by RC mind games?

Transgressions against man are one thing. These can be forgiven in the next
life. Sins against God are a whole new subject. Jesus gave us the confessional
to handle these. John 10:22.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <vj8uq8t9t96rk6a8g...@4ax.com>, duke

• The RC Confessional waas invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III, and he
for damn sure needed one after he ordered the murder of 100,000 as well as
the murder of anything larger than a rat. . Yes boys and girls that even
included puppies and kittys.

[duke]

Head like a brick.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <fju0r855dtpl6e2qg...@4ax.com>, duke

> >• The RC Confessional was invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III,
>
> Head like a brick.
>
• it's history Duke.

[Smiler]

We can't help your problems, puke.
Shouldn't that last word be spelt with a 'p', not a 'b'?

>
> The dukester, Repellent Wannabe - Christian
> ******** You simply can't fix puke's stupid.
> ********************************************

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[PATRICK]

"In some churches it is common to see one or more confessionals, small
"rooms" built out from the side or back wall of the church containing
a place for the priest confessor to sit, separated by a screen or
grill from the place for the penitent to kneel and confess his or her
sins. Confessionals appeared in Catholic churches during the 16th
century and were common until just recently. The current ritual for
the individual celebration of the sacrament offers the penitent a
choice between speaking face-to-face with the priest or the anonymity
provided by the confessional screen. This option has necessitated the
remodeling of confessionals in some churches and the construction of a
reconciliation chapel in others."
http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0391.asp

Looking at your 1215 AD date, it is true that the Lateran Council made
it mandatory for Catholics to render confession at least yearly.

However, the confessional was NOT invented at that date.

[Johnny Football]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:32:39 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote:

How do you know?

[duke]

The Jewish confessional is many thousands of years old. The Catholic
confessional came next.

[duke]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:32:39 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>>> >• The RC Confessional was invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III,
>>>
>>> Head like a brick.
>>>
>>• it's history Duke.
>
>"In some churches it is common to see one or more confessionals, small
>"rooms" built out from the side or back wall of the church containing
>a place for the priest confessor to sit, separated by a screen or
>grill from the place for the penitent to kneel and confess his or her
>sins. Confessionals appeared in Catholic churches during the 16th
>century and were common until just recently. The current ritual for
>the individual celebration of the sacrament offers the penitent a
>choice between speaking face-to-face with the priest or the anonymity
>provided by the confessional screen. This option has necessitated the
>remodeling of confessionals in some churches and the construction of a
>reconciliation chapel in others."
>http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0391.asp
>
>Looking at your 1215 AD date, it is true that the Lateran Council made
>it mandatory for Catholics to render confession at least yearly.

rl is just a bullshit artist.

>However, the confessional was NOT invented at that date.

There's about a 1/100 chance that rl is not bullshitting you when he responds.

[duke]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:01:26 -0700, Johnny Football <johnny_...@yahoo.com>

It's magic, jf, magic. And if you don't believe that, look it up for yourself.

[duke]

RL with a head like a prick???? Well, maybe. I've actually never met him.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama

You simply can't fix stupid.
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[•RLMeasures]

In article <ap62r8dkbv8981no4...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

• The Duke dodge.

>
> However, the confessional was NOT invented at that date.

• It for damn sure makes sence that Innocent III would invent the
Confessional since he murdered 100,000.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <gii3r8timf72ho21e...@4ax.com>, duke

• In 1215.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <ili3r8h7bs541r0q5...@4ax.com>, duke

<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 19:32:39 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >• The RC Confessional was invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III,
> >>>
> >>> Head like a brick.
> >>>
> >>• it's history Duke.
> >
> >"In some churches it is common to see one or more confessionals, small
> >"rooms" built out from the side or back wall of the church containing
> >a place for the priest confessor to sit, separated by a screen or
> >grill from the place for the penitent to kneel and confess his or her
> >sins. Confessionals appeared in Catholic churches during the 16th
> >century and were common until just recently. The current ritual for
> >the individual celebration of the sacrament offers the penitent a
> >choice between speaking face-to-face with the priest or the anonymity
> >provided by the confessional screen. This option has necessitated the
> >remodeling of confessionals in some churches and the construction of a
> >reconciliation chapel in others."
> >http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0391.asp
> >
> >Looking at your 1215 AD date, it is true that the Lateran Council made
> >it mandatory for Catholics to render confession at least yearly.
>
> rl is just a bullshit artist.
>
> >However, the confessional was NOT invented at that date.
>
> There's about a 1/100 chance that rl is not bullshitting you when he responds.
>

• then when?

[ala...@hotmail.co.uk]

On May 30, 9:16 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:03:58 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <ndlbq812vd8me1ae7020pusrso3rapg...@4ax.com>,
> > duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 14:59:48 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbarker...@woh.rr.com>
> >> >>>>wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
> >> >>>>>wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
> >> >>>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
> >> >>>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>
> >> >>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
> >> >>>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> >> >>>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
> >> >>>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of
> >> >>>>Catholic
> >> >>>>haters.  Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long
> >> >>>>ago.
> >> >>>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>
> >> >>>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
> >> >>>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
> >> >>>headlines.
>

> >> >>What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
>
> >> >The L.A. Times, Dook.
>

> >> >If you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children in Uganda,
> >> >then you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children.
>
> >> Why don't you care that's it almost universal that it's "a man" that molests
> >> children.  You're more worried about his job title than the fact that you're
> >> no
> >> better than he is.
>

> >Wow. Look at poor poor dukie's latest deflection tactic.
> >Though I don't see how placing the blame on an entire gender helps
> >anything.
>
> An intelligent person understands that the problem is with men, not priests.

Yeah, just a problem with men, just like those men who flew the planes
into the WTC. Men, not Islamic fanatics, were the cause of that too.
Down the rabbit hole, welcome to the world of Dukee...

You just can't fix stupid.

[Smiler]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 07:01:32 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:29:01 +0100, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 07:03:12 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 05:52:59 -0700, r...@somis.org (�RLMeasures) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <vj8uq8t9t96rk6a8g...@4ax.com>, duke
>>>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:28:22 -0700, r...@somis.org (�RLMeasures) wrote:
>>>>>

<snip>

>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it's a different subject. V22 is a specific statement on how to
>>>>> handle sins against God. The closet is just a typical phone booth
>>>>> for general discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.
>>>>> >� ? Duke's thought process remains a mystery. Maybe Duke's
>>>>> >normal logic process was derailed by RC mind games?
>>>>>
>>>>> Transgressions against man are one thing. These can be forgiven in
>>>>> the next life. Sins against God are a whole new subject. Jesus gave
>>>>> us the
>>>>confessional
>>>>> to handle these.
>>>>
>>>>� The RC Confessional waas invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III,
>>>
>>> Head like a brick.
>>
>>We can't help your problems, puke.
>>Shouldn't that last word be spelt with a 'p', not a 'b'?
>

> Me with a head like a prick???? Well, maybe.

No maybe about it, puke. Your head IS like a prick...no brain.

[PATRICK]

(�RLMeasures) wrote:
>I>, PATRICK><pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

>> >> >� The RC Confessional was invented in 1215 by Pope Innocent III,

>> >>
>> >> Head like a brick.
>> >>
>> >� it's history Duke.
>>
>> "In some churches it is common to see one or more confessionals, small
>> "rooms" built out from the side or back wall of the church containing
>> a place for the priest confessor to sit, separated by a screen or
>> grill from the place for the penitent to kneel and confess his or her
>> sins. Confessionals appeared in Catholic churches during the 16th
>> century and were common until just recently. The current ritual for
>> the individual celebration of the sacrament offers the penitent a
>> choice between speaking face-to-face with the priest or the anonymity
>> provided by the confessional screen. This option has necessitated the
>> remodeling of confessionals in some churches and the construction of a
>> reconciliation chapel in others."
>> http://www.americancatholic.org/Newsletters/CU/ac0391.asp
>>
>> Looking at your 1215 AD date, it is true that the Lateran Council made
>> it mandatory for Catholics to render confession at least yearly.
>
>� The Duke dodge.
>>
>> However, the confessional was NOT invented at that date.
>
>� It for damn sure makes sence that Innocent III would invent the
>Confessional since he murdered 100,000.

Ahhh, now I understand. It makes sence.

[PATRICK]

I thought we just went over this.
When you get stuck on a date (like 1079), you just can't let go.

[PATRICK]

Are you having a little problem with your Muslim friends over there?
Are you too afraid to say much because they own your country now?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <js26r8ppjrdfr95rb...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

• not to mention the puppies and kittys that were ordered to be murdered
by Lotario di Segni/alias Pope Innocent III.


"All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
- historian John Acton.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <tv26r85tleeqkridr...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

• Celibacy of the priesthood happened because Pope Gregory VII.
instituted it in 1079. Not even the RC Jesus/God. or even his mom, the
BVM. can change the year 1079.

[duke]

The Jewish day of atonement came long before the birth of Jesus Christ. One on
one to an anointed of God came next.

[duke]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:34:00 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

Catholic men who believe in God don't do things like that.

>You just can't fix stupid.

No, you can't.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <gr76r8117nq3crto6...@4ax.com>, duke

• The Jewish Day of Atonement was of human origin as is the RC Confession
and Mass. There is no quickie way around forgiving other people - albeit
within reason.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <kv76r8dkiccv1o3oo...@4ax.com>, duke

• Pope Innocent III killed 33-times as many as were killed on 9-11.

[duke]

Haahaahaa. RL denies it's him.

The dukester, American - American

********************************************
Repeal Obama

You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************

[PATRICK]

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:31:20 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

>• Celibacy of the priesthood happened because Pope Gregory VII.
>instituted it in 1079. Not even the RC Jesus/God. or even his mom, the
>BVM. can change the year 1079.

Although most people are at some point in their lives called to the
married state, the vocation of celibacy is explicitly advocated—as
well as practiced—by both Jesus and Paul.

So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very
chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it: "To
the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain
single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should
marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion"
(7:8-9).

It is only because of this "temptation to immorality" (7:2) that Paul
gives the teaching about each man and woman having a spouse and giving
each other their "conjugal rights" (7:3); he specifically clarifies,
"I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were
as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one
kind and one of another" (7:6-7, emphasis added).

Paul even goes on to make a case for preferring celibacy to marriage:
"Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry
will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The
unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please
the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to
please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried
woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy
in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly
affairs, how to please her husband" (7:27-34).

Paul’s conclusion: He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from
marriage will do better" (7:38).

Paul was not the first apostle to conclude that celibacy is, in some
sense, "better" than marriage. After Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 19 on
divorce and remarriage, the disciples exclaimed, "If such is the case
between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" (Matt 19:10).
This remark prompted Jesus’ teaching on the value of celibacy "for the
sake of the kingdom":

"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted.
Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some,
because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced
marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this
ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/celibacy-and-the-priesthood

[PATRICK]

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:32:52 -0700, r...@somis.org (�ｿｽRLMeasures) wrote:

>In article <kv76r8dkiccv1o3oo...@4ax.com>, duke
><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:34:00 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>

>> >On May 30, 9:16�ｿｽpm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:03:58 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >In article <ndlbq812vd8me1ae7020pusrso3rapg...@4ax.com>,
>> >> > duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 14:59:48 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbarker...@woh.rr.com>
>> >> >> >>>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
>> >> >> >>>>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>
>>>>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>> >> >> >>>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>> >> >> >>>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>> >> >> >>>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up
>compliments of
>> >> >> >>>>Catholic

>> >> >> >>>>haters. �ｿｽHere I am cruising happily along, and they dig up

>crap from long
>> >> >> >>>>ago.
>> >> >> >>>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>> >>
>> >> >> >>>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>> >> >> >>>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>> >> >> >>>headlines.
>> >>

>> >> >> >>What headlines? �ｿｽThe Uganda Elephant?

>> >>
>> >> >> >The L.A. Times, Dook.
>> >>
>> >> >> >If you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children in Uganda,
>> >> >> >then you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children.
>> >>
>> >> >> Why don't you care that's it almost universal that it's "a man"
>that molests

>> >> >> children. �ｿｽYou're more worried about his job title than the fact

>that you're
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> better than he is.
>> >>
>> >> >Wow. Look at poor poor dukie's latest deflection tactic.
>> >> >Though I don't see how placing the blame on an entire gender helps
>> >> >anything.
>>
>> >> An intelligent person understands that the problem is with men, not
>priests.
>>
>> >Yeah, just a problem with men, just like those men who flew the planes
>> >into the WTC. Men, not Islamic fanatics, were the cause of that too.
>> >Down the rabbit hole, welcome to the world of Dukee...
>>
>> Catholic men who believe in God don't do things like that.
>>

>�ｿｽ Pope Innocent III killed 33-times as many as were killed on 9-11.

Some people need killing.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:57:18 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

So Paul hated women and found all sorts of excuses to justify treating
them as second-class humans. Why should I care what Paul wrote?

>
>"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted.
>Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some,
>because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced
>marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this
>ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

Obviously people who decide to traipse around preaching are being
incredibly irresponsible if they have a wife and kids. Of course anyone
who wants to do that shouldn't be married. It has nothing to do with the
actual reasons that the RCC decided to change their rules.

>http://www.catholic.com/tracts/celibacy-and-the-priesthood

[•RLMeasures]

In article <h2s6r8led2k0o6ig3...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

<pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:31:20 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >• Celibacy of the priesthood happened because Pope Gregory VII.
> >instituted it in 1079. Not even the RC Jesus/God. or even his mom, the
> >BVM. can change the year 1079.
>
> Although most people are at some point in their lives called to the
> married state, the vocation of celibacy is explicitly advocated—as
> well as practiced—by both Jesus and Paul.

• In the Dead Sea Scrolls there's a report that suggests Jesus was pretty
tight with two sisters.

>
> So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very
> chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it:

• Maybe Saul of Tarsus was a "confirmed bachelor" Duke.

"To
> the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain
> single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should
> marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion"
> (7:8-9).
>
> It is only because of this "temptation to immorality" (7:2) that Paul
> gives the teaching about each man and woman having a spouse and giving
> each other their "conjugal rights" (7:3); he specifically clarifies,
> "I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were
> as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one
> kind and one of another" (7:6-7, emphasis added).
>
> Paul even goes on to make a case for preferring celibacy to marriage:

• My guess is that Saul Paul was not exactly celibate behind closed doors.

> "Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry
> will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The
> unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please
> the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to
> please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried
> woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy
> in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly
> affairs, how to please her husband" (7:27-34).
>
> Paul’s conclusion: He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from
> marriage will do better" (7:38).
>
> Paul was not the first apostle to conclude that celibacy is, in some
> sense, "better" than marriage. After Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 19 on
> divorce and remarriage, the disciples exclaimed, "If such is the case
> between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" (Matt 19:10).
> This remark prompted Jesus’ teaching on the value of celibacy "for the
> sake of the kingdom":

š• Guffaw. Know ye not that Jesus was long gone from this planet when
Saul Paul first appeared.?

Puck was right.
> ...

[Andrew W]

>"duke" wrote in message news:65hrq8t6javqmu25i...@4ax.com...
>
>On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:59:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>>In article <7juoq8t228ncgvnhc...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:32:30 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <nfgmq8943i2a2j59q...@4ax.com>, duke
>>> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:36:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke
>>> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org
>>(•RLMeasures) wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> >What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
>>> >> >> >> >> The L.A. Times, Dook.

>That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.
>

And there's nothing there whatsoever about needing priests.


--
A god figure that tries to use fear, oppression and terror to win your love
and obedience is clearly a false god figure.
All legalistic and petty type religions that promote such gods like Judaism,
Christianity and Islam are nothing but false, controlling religions and
should be avoided.

[Andrew W]

>"duke" wrote in message news:vj8uq8t9t96rk6a8g...@4ax.com...
>
>On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:28:22 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>>In article <65hrq8t6javqmu25i...@4ax.com>, duke

>>• Different subject Duke. I'm talking about the direct line to God in
>>our closets.
>

>Sure it's a different subject. V22 is a specific statement on how to
>handle
>sins against God. The closet is just a typical phone booth for general
>discussion.
>

>>> That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.

>>• ? Duke's thought process remains a mystery. Maybe Duke's normal logic
>>process was derailed by RC mind games?
>
>Transgressions against man are one thing. These can be forgiven in the
>next
>life. Sins against God are a whole new subject. Jesus gave us the
>confessional

>to handle these. John 10:22.
>

Legalisms, legalisms, legalisms. Those have nothing to do with God.
Time to throw them in the bin.

[PATRICK]

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:08:00 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:

God, you are stupid.

>>
>>"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted.
>>Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some,
>>because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced
>>marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this
>>ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11�12).
>
>Obviously people who decide to traipse around preaching are being
>incredibly irresponsible if they have a wife and kids. Of course anyone
>who wants to do that shouldn't be married. It has nothing to do with the
>actual reasons that the RCC decided to change their rules.

What rules?

[PATRICK]

On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:31:12 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:

>In article <h2s6r8led2k0o6ig3...@4ax.com>, PATRICK
><pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:31:20 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>>
>> >• Celibacy of the priesthood happened because Pope Gregory VII.
>> >instituted it in 1079. Not even the RC Jesus/God. or even his mom, the
>> >BVM. can change the year 1079.
>>
>> Although most people are at some point in their lives called to the
>> married state, the vocation of celibacy is explicitly advocated—as
>> well as practiced—by both Jesus and Paul.
>
>• In the Dead Sea Scrolls there's a report that suggests Jesus was pretty
>tight with two sisters.

Prove it.

>>
>> So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very
>> chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it:
>
>• Maybe Saul of Tarsus was a "confirmed bachelor" Duke.

Yes, maybe he was.

How long?

[PATRICK]

Who was Jesus speaking to?
Was it the Apostles?
Was it a huge crowd?
Was it to a bunch of women?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <pdh7r89fn8cl6a3tu...@4ax.com>, PATRICK

<pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:31:12 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <h2s6r8led2k0o6ig3...@4ax.com>, PATRICK
> ><pbark...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 04:31:20 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
> >>
> >> >• Celibacy of the priesthood happened because Pope Gregory VII.
> >> >instituted it in 1079. Not even the RC Jesus/God. or even his mom, the
> >> >BVM. can change the year 1079.
> >>
> >> Although most people are at some point in their lives called to the
> >> married state, the vocation of celibacy is explicitly advocated—as
> >> well as practiced—by both Jesus and Paul.
> >
> >• In the Dead Sea Scrolls there's a report that suggests Jesus was pretty
> >tight with two sisters.
>
> Prove it.
>
> >>
> >> So far from "commanding" marriage in 1 Corinthians 7, in that very
> >> chapter Paul actually endorses celibacy for those capable of it:
> >
> >• Maybe Saul of Tarsus was a "confirmed bachelor" Duke.
>
> Yes, maybe he was.
>

• Not that there's anything wrong with that.

• Jesus was executed c. 28CE. Saul of Tarsus came at least a decade after
that. .

[hypatiab7]

On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:39:33 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:28:22 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <65hrq8t6javqmu25i...@4ax.com>, duke

>
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 06:59:34 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >In article <7juoq8t228ncgvnhc...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >
>
> >> >> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:32:30 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >> >>
>
> >> >> >In article <nfgmq8943i2a2j59q...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >
>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:36:05 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >> >> >>
>
> >> >> >> >In article <cpsjq8p1gcu22hm34...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> >> >> >> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >
>
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 31 May 2013 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT), ala...@hotmail.co.uk
>
> >wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >On May 29, 8:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:46:58 -0700, r...@somis.org

> >• Different subject Duke. I'm talking about the direct line to God in
>
> >our closets.
>
>
>
> Sure it's a different subject. V22 is a specific statement on how to handle
>
> sins against God. The closet is just a typical phone booth for general
>
> discussion.
>
>
>

> >> That's as opposed to transgressions against other men.
>

> >• ? Duke's thought process remains a mystery. Maybe Duke's normal logic
>
> >process was derailed by RC mind games?
>
>
>
> Transgressions against man are one thing. These can be forgiven in the next
>
> life. Sins against God are a whole new subject. Jesus gave us the confessional
>
> to handle these. John 10:22.

The Church developed the confessional as a way to blackmail people and get more money out of them.

[hypatiab7]

On Monday, June 3, 2013 5:28:23 AM UTC-4, SkyEyes wrote:
> On Jun 2, 3:04 pm, hypatiab7 <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:46:58 PM UTC-4, •RLMeasures wrote:
>
> > > In article <civ9q8dl6mtmh0rtp1qf0mdgp7oth64...@6ax.com>,

>
> >
>
> > > SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, SilentO...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbarker...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 04:03:20 -0500, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net>
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-job-
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments
>
> >
>
> > > of Catholic
>
> >
>

> > > > >>>haters.  Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from

>
> >
>
> > > long ago.
>
> >
>
> > > > >>>Now that's what you call desperation.
>
> >
>
> > > > >>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>
> >
>
> > > > >>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>
> >
>
> > > > >>headlines.
>
> >
>

> > > > >What headlines?  The Uganda Elephant?
>
> >
>
> > > > The L.A. Times, Dook.
>
> >
>
> > >  •  Either the LA Times is lying, or the altar-boy scandal ain't over yet.
>
> >
>

> > Not nearly. And, the 50,000 young Indian children who died in US and Canadian schools run by the RCC and other Christian sects isn't nearly enough well known.
>
> > The adults who survived rapes, beatings, starvation, not being allowed to practice their own religion or speak their own languages have started organizing and reporting what happened to them and other Indian children.
>
> > These children were torn away from their families and in most cases, never saw their families again.
>
>
>
> My own older sister, Rebecca, was one such. She was taken away from
>
> her natal family at 4 years of age because her parents were married
>
> "in the Navajo way," instead of in the white man's church. She was
>
> put in the Navajo Children's Home in Cottonwood, Arizona, until it
>
> closed when she was 14. Through the auspices of my parents' church,
>
> all the kids were farmed out to white christian families - perish
>
> forbid that they should go back to their own families on the
>
> reservation! Poor Becky was damaged in a fundamental way that I was
>
> unable to fathom, being only 11 years old at the time. I still miss
>
> her and my heart still breaks for what she had to endure.
>
It sounds horrible. Even worse was the collusion between the US and Canadian governments and the churches that killed many of these helpless children.

[hypatiab7]

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 11:42:36 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <5e1c7612-3fc5-41b1...@googlegroups.com>,
> hypatiab7 <hypa...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:16:29 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> > > On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:03:58 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

> > > <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >In article <ndlbq812vd8me1ae7...@4ax.com>,
> > > > duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 28 May 2013 14:59:48 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >> >On Tue, 28 May 2013 07:31:05 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >> >>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:36:41 -0400, Silen...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> >>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 05:45:41 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:11:31 -0400, PATRICK <pbark...@woh.rr.com>
> > > >> >>>>>><http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/nyregion/newark-monsignor-loses-

> > >> >>>>>>job-
>
> > > >> >>>>>>for-improperly-monitoring-priest-near-children.html?
> > > >> >>>>>>nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130526>
> > >> >>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/p2k2xc3
>
> > > >> >>>>>>The rape scandal continues in the Catholic Church.
>
> > > >> >>>>>Especially when you drag up bad decisions made over 10 years ago.
>
> > > >> >>>>You know, it's funny how these "events" keep showing up compliments of Catholic haters. Here I am cruising happily along, and they dig up crap from long ago.
>
> > > >> >>>>Now that's what you call desperation.

v>

> > > >> >>>We can't help it that you Catholics are in denial, Dook.
>
> > > >> >>>You don't get to claim a scandal is over when it's still in the
>
> > > >> >>>headlines.
>
> > > >> >>What headlines? The Uganda Elephant?
>
> > > >> >The L.A. Times, Dook.
>

> > > >> >If you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children in Uganda,
>
> > > >> >then you don't care about Catholic priests molesting children.

>
> > > >> Why don't you care that's it almost universal that it's "a man" that

> > > >> molests children. You're more worried about his job title than the fact that you're no better than he is.
>
> > And you will do anything to protect the men in the job.

>
> > > >Wow. Look at poor poor dukie's latest deflection tactic.

>
> > > >Though I don't see how placing the blame on an entire gender helps
> > > >anything.
>
> > > An intelligent person understands that the problem is with men, not
> > > priests.

Are you saying that men should be kept on leashes, since rape happens
in all walks of life? Really, Earl?
>
> > The problem is with men who are priests. You can't change this. And you can
> > stop lying about all evidence being from over 20 years ago. More and
> > more evidence is turning up that is evidence for priestly and higher up
> > child molestation cases from the last several years all the time. No
> > amount of giggling will cover that up.
>
> I think poor poor dukie's is fighting the doubts that he refuses to
> acknowledge. If he allows himself to accept anything at all bad abut his
> god or his church, he's terrified that he'll lose his faith. And then
> where would he be.

Definitely. He's too old (in his 60's) to be able to start thinking
for himself at this late date. He's trapped and unable to admit it.
I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so nasty.

[hypatiab7]

Glad you admit it, Earl. Now please go see a good psychiatrist.

[duke]

Forgiving another for his trespasses against you (man v man) in not even close
to sins against God (man v God). Live well and prosper, white man.

[duke]

Pope Innocent and the 3000 killed on 911 were innocent.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:39:52 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:

>On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 07:30:39 -0700, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
>>In article <gr76r8117nq3crto6...@4ax.com>, duke
>><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

...

>>> The Jewish day of atonement came long before the birth of Jesus Christ.
>>One on one to an anointed of God came next.
>
>>• The Jewish Day of Atonement was of human origin as is the RC Confession
>>and Mass. There is no quickie way around forgiving other people - albeit
>>within reason.
>
>Forgiving another for his trespasses against you (man v man) in not even close
>to sins against God (man v God). Live well and prosper, white man.

How can it be possible to sin against any god?

Do gods sin against man?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <qob9r8limfdi03v8j...@4ax.com>, duke

• How do we get past the deadly sin of gluttony?

How does one sin against the RC Jesus/God? Deploy a goddamn condom?

[•RLMeasures]

In article <pvb9r8hrmh4ou1p05...@4ax.com>, duke

• Pope Innocent III ranks one notch below Herr Eichmann. It's no wonder
that Innocent III had need of a Confessional.

[•RLMeasures]

In article <l8c9r8p04lgcn41fl...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> .......

• My guess is that Duke/Earl Weber views those who question the decisions
of the RC hierarchy as sinners against God because God is supposedly
guiding the holy man who controls the RCC - even if he murders 100,000..

[PATRICK]

I.PAUL'S EARLY LIFE [Prior to 32 AD]
A.Born at Tarsus, a city of Cilicia--Acts 21:39; 22:3
B.Of the House of Israel--2 Corinthians 11:22
C.Of the Tribe of Benjamin--Philippians 3:5
D.Circumcised on the eighth day--Philippians 3:5
E.Named Saul ("Asked For")--Galatians 1:15
Known as Saul to the Jews, as Paul ("Little") to the Gentiles
F.His father had acquired Roman citizenship, so Paul was a
"Roman-at-Law"--Acts 16:37; 22:25-28

II.PAUL'S EDUCATION
A.Brought up in the sect of the Pharisees--Acts 23:6
B.At about age 14, he was sent to Jerusalem to the school of
Gamaliel--Acts 5:24; 22:3
C.Becomes a self-righteous Pharisee and a patriotic zealot--Acts 22:3
D.He becomes a persecutor of Christians--Acts 7:58; 8:3-22; 26:9-11
E.By trade a tent-stitcher; every Jew had to teach his son a trade by
which he could live--Acts 18:3-20; 1 Corinthians 4:12
F.After "graduation," he returns to Tarsus

III.PAUL'S CONVERSION AND FOLLOWING EVENTS [31-45 AD]
A.Conversion takes place on road to Damascus and in the city--Acts
9:1-19 1.Paul seeks to arrest Christians--vv. 1-2
2.Blinded by light from heaven; hears Jesus' voice--vv. 3-9
3.Paul visited by Ananias; sight restored--vv. 10--19

B.Paul's account to the Jews--Acts 22:1-16
C.Paul's account to Agrippa--Acts 26:12-20
D.Preaches in the synagogues--Acts 9:20-22
E.Three years in Arabia--Galatians 1:11-17
F.Return to Damascus--Acts 9:23
G.At Jerusalem--Acts 9:26-29
H.Flees to Tarsus--Acts 9:30
I.One year at Antioch--Acts 11:25
J.Second visit to Jerusalem--Acts 11:30

[PATRICK]

You mean -- like what you do with facts?

[duke]

There's only one God almighty, and sinning against God telling him you are his
equal.

>Do gods sin against man?

God almighty is all loving.