Semi - Regular Evil Atheist Quote -- No Conscience Required
hughb...@yessiree.ca
look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
- Pol Pot
Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
smart-asses?
H.B.
Carol Lee Smith
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
On Wed, 26 May 2004 hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
> look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
> - Pol Pot
> Just gotta love those communists eh?
Atheists do not = communists.
Communists do not = atheists.
<< Seriously, what has the whole atheist thing brought to the world,
other than maniacal mass murderers or witty smart-asses?>>
Just what is meant by "the whole atheist thing" ??
Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
Crusades
Inquisitions
Pogroms
Holocausts
Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
9/11
And that is just for starters.
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament
from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of
Babel, the rainbow at sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to
God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted
than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any
barbarian." - Charles Darwin (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)
Mark Richardson
>"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
>look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>
>- Pol Pot
>
>Just gotta love those communists eh?
No, I find Pol Pot to be one of the most evil men of the twentieth
century. And i am an atheist.
> Seriously, what has the whole atheist
>thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
>smart-asses?
>
>H.B.
I dont even think it has brought that to the world.
For a few it has meant a release from the self loathing and crippling
fear of hell - and allowed them to find peace and balance.
For some others it has brought a freedom to search for truth.
But, generally, its a non event.
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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Mark K. Bilbo
<hYCdnbSs7uQ...@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughb...@yessiree.ca:
Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
Very lame of you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
Mark K. Bilbo
<vpt7b0133g9ter2n1...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
Richardson <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die>:
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
>>"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
>>can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>>
>>- Pol Pot
>>
>>Just gotta love those communists eh?
>
> No, I find Pol Pot to be one of the most evil men of the twentieth
> century. And i am an atheist.
>
>> Seriously, what has the whole atheist
>>thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
>>smart-asses?
>>
>>H.B.
>
> I dont even think it has brought that to the world.
>
> For a few it has meant a release from the self loathing and crippling fear
> of hell - and allowed them to find peace and balance. For some others it
> has brought a freedom to search for truth.
>
> But, generally, its a non event.
Like I've told people here in the ng before, I don't actually know when I
became atheist. It happened without me paying much attention at all...
Mark K. Bilbo
<hYCdnbSs7uQ...@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughb...@yessiree.ca:
> "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
By the way, it's interesting that the quote you've presented contains: "I
came to carry out the struggle..." Now you don't have any context to
provide an antecedent. What is "the struggle" he's talking about?
Or did you leave that out on purpose because he's NOT talk about atheism?
Malcolm
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
>
> Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
>
of course most communists are atheists.
Enkidu
55bank.freeserve.co.uk says...
That's irrelevant, even if true (which I doubt). Communists need not be
atheists, and atheists need not be communists.
Some dogs are brown, some brown animals are dogs. So can we conclude
that all dogs are brown? No. Can we conclude that all brown animals
are dogs? No. We can't conclude anything of the sort.
Some communists are atheists, some atheists are communists. So can we
conclude that all communists are atheists? No. Can we conclude that
all atheists are communists? No. We can't conclude anything of the
sort.
We can conclude that it theists can come up with no better argument
against atheism than this, they have lost.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
"Today is a fine day for reality . . ."
Mark K. Bilbo
<c90u3l$urc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> we saw our hero "Malcolm"
<mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk>:
I don't buy your claim. But even if true, so what?
I want someone to show me (and no one has managed this) how the simple
lack of belief in something can be a proximate cause of anything.
Mark K. Bilbo
<5b490fa696ceb67e...@news.1usenet.com> we saw our hero W.
Syme <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm>:
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:09:27 +0100, "Malcolm"
> <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists
>
> You know, it's not very smart making remarks like that. We're obviously
> going to ask you to back that absurd statement up, and we all know you
> cannot do that.
Expect severe hand waving with gusts of babble...
hughb...@yessiree.ca
On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> Communists do not = atheists.
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world - It is the opium of the people."
-Karl Marx
> Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
>
> Crusades
An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
> Inquisitions
In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
that many before breakfast.
> Pogroms
Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
> Holocausts
I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
> 9/11
I can't speak for Islamic fundamentalists, but fundamentalism of any sort is
bad. (As we have seen...)
"Where reason cannot wade, there faith may swim."
-Thomas Watson
"Credo ut Intelligam." (I believe in order to understand.)
-St. Augustine
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge in the field of Truth and
Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
-Albert Einstein
"It's knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.
What is requires of it's God is the answer to it's question. 'Is there
nothing more?'"
-Spock ;)
H.
Gary Bohn
"Carol Lee Smith" <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.104052...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
>
> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
>
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
> > "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
can
> > look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
> > - Pol Pot
>
> > Just gotta love those communists eh?
>
> Atheists do not = communists.
>
> Communists do not = atheists.
>
Communists != evil.
> << Seriously, what has the whole atheist thing brought to the world,
> other than maniacal mass murderers or witty smart-asses?>>
>
Equality, fairness, tolerence, ...reality.
> Just what is meant by "the whole atheist thing" ??
>
> Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
>
> Crusades
>
> Inquisitions
>
> Pogroms
>
> Holocausts
>
> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
> 9/11
>
> And that is just for starters.
see above.
Sorry to piggyback Carol.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority of
the wealthy.
Greg Bear
Paul Duca
hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> > Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
>
Well, we see that YOU can't get through the day without a hit....
Paul
Paul Duca
hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> > Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
>
Well, we see that YOU can't get through the day without a hit....
Paul
Paul Duca
hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> > Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
>
Well, we see that YOU can't get through the day without a hit....
Paul
Gary Bohn
"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c90u3l$urc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
Aside from the fact that communism isn't what you think it is, most people
that lived in the USSR and China were/are not atheists. And I've seen
atheists on this and other NGs that are wound up, redneck right wing nutbars
just like you. Not many though, so maybe most atheists are more intelligent
than you.
Gary Bohn
"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:addbfe17f0aae343...@news.1usenet.com...
> Yes, we ARE evil. Yes, we DO want to kill everybody. And we would've
> gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
>
> Curses, curses.
>
This better not mean we have to give up eating children, I just picked up a
bunch from the local Atheist Cash and Carry.
Mark Richardson
<y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:53:46 +0000 in episode
><vpt7b0133g9ter2n1...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
>Richardson <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die>:
>> But, generally, its a non event.
>
>Like I've told people here in the ng before, I don't actually know when I
>became atheist. It happened without me paying much attention at all...
I don't know if I ever became an atheist - i realised I was an atheist
at about the age of 10.
I was forced to realise I was an atheist, because I found myself
surrounded by people talking about God, Jesus, the church this, and
the church that...
And I began to realize "people- *grown ups* - actually believe this
stuff!" - and I knew I was different - I didn't believe that stuff and
thought it was obviously silly.
If I had never encountered god belief, I could have lived and died
never knowing that I was an atheist.
Mark Richardson
<mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
You have done a survey?
When? Where? Sample size?
Spill the beans - this should be interesting.
Thore Schmechtig
> thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
> smart-asses?
Crusades... witch-burnings... force-conversions by swordpoint... the
inquisition... yeah, christianity is SO much better.
'nuff said.
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
Chani
"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Actually, just because two items co-exist with one another does not make a
correlation. An example: on many beaches you can find shells, those shells
are not there because of the sand, but happen to exist in the same place.
--
Chani, atheist #1118
Head of the EAC
Tweeker of Tukla, a very, um, colorful Ratte
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>
>
Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 +0000 in episode
> <hYCdnbSs7uQ...@giganews.com> we saw our hero
> hughb...@yessiree.ca:
>
>> "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and
>> you can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>>
>> - Pol Pot
>>
>> Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole
>> atheist thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass
>> murderers or witty smart-asses?
>
> By the way, it's interesting that the quote you've presented contains:
> "I came to carry out the struggle..." Now you don't have any context
> to provide an antecedent. What is "the struggle" he's talking about?
>
> Or did you leave that out on purpose because he's NOT talk about
> atheism?
>
The quote is somewhat mangled. He was referring to the struggle against
his political opponents. Strangely enough he meant the communist
Vietnamese.
LK.
Enkidu
says...
>
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> > Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
Karl Marx.
> > Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
> >
> > Crusades
>
> An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
Burned in the name of God. That politics was involved is small comfort
to the dead, especially when it was church politics.
> > Inquisitions
>
> In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
> people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
> that many before breakfast.
Stalin studied for the priesthood. He learnd well from the masters.
And remember, it was Marx who claimed religion was the opiate of the
masses, not Stalin. Stalin didn't want any competition for power. The
church was another authoritarian organization not under his control.
>
> > Pogroms
>
> Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
> carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
No, they were religiously motivated. By separating humanity into "us"
and "them", with "them" always lesser humans, religion was the direct
cause of the pogroms, the justification for all that has ever been done
to "them" by "us".
> > Holocausts
>
> I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
> was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
No, they were religious. "God is with us" was the SS motto.
> > Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
> Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
That is a flat out lie. The per capita pedophile rate is MUCH higher in
the Catholic church than in the general population. Was it 3 to 5
percent? Anyone remember that stat?
> > 9/11
>
> I can't speak for Islamic fundamentalists, but fundamentalism of any sort is
> bad. (As we have seen...)
Then why do you apologize for the extremes fornamentals have gone to?
You argue that what they've done is not really all that bad,
considering. It is all that bad. You link communism with atheism, as
if the two were inseparable, but expect us to separate non-
fundamentalist religion from fundamentalist religion. I can't do it.
You are ALL fundamentalists. You all base your judgement of good and
evil, moral and immoral on a book of bad fiction written and compiled
1,600 to 1,850 years ago by nameless men.
> "Where reason cannot wade, there faith may swim."
> -Thomas Watson
In other words, "Faith - realm of the irrational." Irrational means,
literally, "without reason".
>
> "Credo ut Intelligam." (I believe in order to understand.)
> -St. Augustine
Have you actually tried to read anything by St. Augustine? Not a single
thing he ever said has stood the test of time. Asian horses impregnated
by the wind, dead peacocks don't rot, etc.
> "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge in the field of Truth and
> Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
> -Albert Einstein
Good advice. That's why we look to the evidence, we modify our beliefs
based on the evidence of our eyes. If we stuck with you, blacks would
still be slaves, children and women would be stoned to death for minor
infractions.
> "It's knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.
> What is requires of it's God is the answer to it's question. 'Is there
> nothing more?'"
> -Spock ;)
From the Bible to Star Turk. Old fiction to new. Neither supports your
God.
Mark Richardson
>
>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
>> Communists do not = atheists.
>
>"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>world - It is the opium of the people."
>
>-Karl Marx
>
It's true.
Its true that he said it and he said a true thing.
Do you actually know what he meant by that?
Do you think Opium (and pain relieving drugs in general) are a
purely/wholy evil thing?
If you ever require surgery or suffer massive trauma in a car accident
- you will refuse all pain relief - yes?
Morons (christian morons generally) who quote Marx usually don't
understand the meaning of this passage.
They "think" (if that is the appropriate word) that "drugs are bad" -
so Marx is saying religion is like drugs - "like a bad thing".
This is what Marx is *actually* saying:
People are hurting, they are oppressed, they are down trodden, cannon
and factory fodder, they watch their children die from malnutrition
and disease - they take to religion because it *relieves* *their*
*pain*.
Marx is advocating that the poor rise up and take over the world and
free themselves of their poverty and their status as a resource to be
used by the rich and powerful and then discarded. Then they will not
need "the Opiate of the people" - they can go to a free government
hospital and get the real thing like the rich folks do.
Here endeth the leason.
David V.
> - Pol Pot
He wasn't an Atheist. Read his biography some time and you
might actually learn something.
His real name is Saloth Sar and he was born in a small
Cambodian village about 140 kilometers north of Phnom Penh.
His date of birth is uncertain although French records give
it as May 25, 1928. At age six he went to live with his
brother at the Royal household in Phnom Penh. Here he
learned Buddhist precepts and discipline. At age eight he
went to a Catholic primary school, where he remained for six
years.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
Mark Richardson
wrote:
Clever comeback!
Not worth posting three times though.
David V.
Not true at all.
David V.
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the
> heart of a heartless world - It is the opium of the
> people."
>
> -Karl Marx
So. That doesn't mean that all Atheists are communists. Most
of the communists I know are theists. And it's obvious that
you don't understand what Marx was trying to say.
Mark Richardson
wrote:
>In article <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com>, hughb...@yessiree.ca
>says...
>>
>> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Communists do not = atheists.
>>
>> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>> world - It is the opium of the people."
>>
>> -Karl Marx
>
>Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
>Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
>Karl Marx.
Was he wrong?
People get no comfort from religion?
You sure of that?
You never heard of *anyone* saying something like:
"My baby died and I would have been destroyed had it not been for my
faith in Jesus!" ?
Mark Richardson
wrote:
>
>"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:c90u3l$urc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
>> >
>> > Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
>> >
>> Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists,
>and
>> of course most communists are atheists.
>
>Actually, just because two items co-exist with one another does not make a
>correlation. An example: on many beaches you can find shells, those shells
>are not there because of the sand, but happen to exist in the same place.
Well said that Woman.
Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
called Chani.
You don't know her do you?
8-)
William
>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
>> Communists do not = atheists.
>
>"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>world - It is the opium of the people."
>-Karl Marx
And in the 60s there were many leading bishops who preached Marxism as
epitomizing the principles of Christianity.
Communism does not = atheism.
>> Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
>>
>> Crusades
>
>An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
In those days religion was politics. And the Crusades were done in the
name of Christianity by Christians.
>> Inquisitions
>
>In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
>people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
>that many before breakfast.
The Inquisition was done in the name of Christianity and endorsed by
the Church as a body. And does it offer as it's excuse that it didn't
murder as many people as some power crazy political despot?
And Stalin's atrocities were not done in the name of atheism.
>> Pogroms
>
>Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
>carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
>
>> Holocausts
>
>I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
>was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
>
>> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
>Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Only because priests form a far less percentage of society. And what
an excuse!
William
Chani
"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:49:30 GMT, "Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:c90u3l$urc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >>
> >> "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
> >> >
> >> Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists,
> >and
> >> of course most communists are atheists.
> >
> >Actually, just because two items co-exist with one another does not make
a
> >correlation. An example: on many beaches you can find shells, those
shells
> >are not there because of the sand, but happen to exist in the same place.
>
> Well said that Woman.
Thank you.
>
> Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
> called Chani.
> You don't know her do you?
> 8-)
I may be familiar with her. I hear she pops up now and again. :-)
--
Chani, atheist #1118
Head of the EAC
Tweeker of Tukla, a very, um, colorful Ratte
***********************************
>
>
Enkidu
mark.ri...@die.spammers.die says...
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enk...@leaddogs.org>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com>, hughb...@yessiree.ca
> >says...
> >>
> >> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Communists do not = atheists.
> >>
> >> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> >> world - It is the opium of the people."
> >>
> >> -Karl Marx
> >
> >Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
> >Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
> >Karl Marx.
> Was he wrong?
> People get no comfort from religion?
> You sure of that?
>
> You never heard of *anyone* saying something like:
> "My baby died and I would have been destroyed had it not been for my
> faith in Jesus!" ?
1) I never said Marx was wrong. In fact, I don't believe his economic
theory has been disproven, as it has never been tried. Of course, it
has never been proven either.
2) So? That doesn't make it true. And I have heard the two survivors
of a school bus crash call it a "miracle" that they survived, and than
God for protecting them. It was a trip to a Christian summer camp, so I
wondered why God didn't see fit to extend the miracle a few feet in
either direction as save a few more kids.
Religion is an explanation which explains nothing.
Mark Richardson
<Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:15:25 GMT, Mark Richardson
><mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enk...@leaddogs.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com>, hughb...@yessiree.ca
>>>says...
>>>>
>>>> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Communists do not = atheists.
>>>>
>>>> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>>>> world - It is the opium of the people."
>>>>
>>>> -Karl Marx
>>>
>>>Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
>>>Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
>>>Karl Marx.
>>Was he wrong?
>>People get no comfort from religion?
>>You sure of that?
>
>I think he meant that because he was wrong with Communism, he is not
>neccecarily wrong with everything else.
>
>That's how I read it, anyway.
You may be right.
It's ambiguous.
Mark Richardson
On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:21:05 GMT, "Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com>
wrote:
>
>"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
>news:o138b0djpo6n059gp...@4ax.com...
>> Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
>> called Chani.
>> You don't know her do you?
>> 8-)
>
>I may be familiar with her. I hear she pops up now and again. :-)
Not for *ages* - I heard she was dead - or else had moved to alabama.
8-)
That's what the guy taking the funiture out of your office at the
E.A.C. had said anyhow...
Mark.
Carol Lee Smith
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> > Holocausts
> I assume you mean 'the' holocaust.
No. I didn't mean 'the' holocaust.
But 'the' holocaust is, of course, included in the category of holocausts.
Another Apostate
the world, how about these for starters:
Being kind, helpful and respectful to others, not out of fear of frying in
Hell or because of the promise of Heaven, but because it is the right thing
to do.
Thinking for ourselves instead of relying on authoritarian systems for
information.
Putting fear and superstition behind us to concentrate on making the best
world possible.
Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Douglass Adams, Mark Twain, etc.
A heliocentric view of the universe.
And oh so much more!
--
Another Apostate
anoth...@hotmail.com
aa #2182
"Religion and sex are power plays
manipulate the people for the money they pay
selling skin...selling god
the numbers look the same on their credit cards"
-Queensryche "Spreading the disease"
<hughb...@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
news:hYCdnbSs7uQ...@giganews.com...
> "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
can
> look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>
> - Pol Pot
>
> Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
> thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
> smart-asses?
>
> H.B.
Carol Lee Smith
> "Carol Lee Smith" <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.OSF.3.96.104052...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
> > << Seriously, what has the whole atheist thing brought to the world,
> > other than maniacal mass murderers or witty smart-asses?>>
> Equality, fairness, tolerence, ...reality.
> > Just what is meant by "the whole atheist thing" ??
> > Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
> > Crusades
> > Inquisitions
> > Pogroms
> > Holocausts
> > Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
> > 9/11
> > And that is just for starters.
> see above.
> Sorry to piggyback Carol.
No problem.
Any time.
Vic Sagerquist
> In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
> 30,000 people died, less than 100 a year.
Is that all? Only 30,000? Shit, the inquisition is downright saintly!
But not as saintly as Adolph Hitler, who killed about 6 million Jews in
the name of his supreme Catholic race.
You know, put yourself - one person - in front of a Muslim stoning squad,
then tell us what went through the minds of each of those 30,000 people
needlessly and mindlessly executed by the CHRISTIANS.
Fucker.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
Mark Richardson
wrote:
>In article <tp28b0dffdqievq9f...@4ax.com>,
>mark.ri...@die.spammers.die says...
>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enk...@leaddogs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com>, hughb...@yessiree.ca
>> >says...
>> >>
>> >> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Communists do not = atheists.
>> >>
>> >> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>> >> world - It is the opium of the people."
>> >>
>> >> -Karl Marx
>> >
>> >Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
>> >Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
>> >Karl Marx.
>> Was he wrong?
>> People get no comfort from religion?
>> You sure of that?
>>
>> You never heard of *anyone* saying something like:
>> "My baby died and I would have been destroyed had it not been for my
>> faith in Jesus!" ?
>
>1) I never said Marx was wrong. In fact, I don't believe his economic
>theory has been disproven, as it has never been tried. Of course, it
>has never been proven either.
Because you said "Marx was sometimes wrong" immediately after the
quote by Marx - I assumed your comment pertained to that particular
quote.
I was jumping to conclusions - i apologize.
Marx wasn't talking about God doing anything - he was saying people
turn to religion to ease their pain.
I think that was one of the things he was right about.
>Religion is an explanation which explains nothing.
I agree.
But there are many explanations as to why humans create gods and
religion.
Carol Lee Smith
> One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach hughbetcha:
> > In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
> > 30,000 people died, less than 100 a year.
> Is that all?
I haven't seen any proof that's all.
> Only 30,000?
I think he is making it up.
> Shit, the inquisition is downright saintly!
Well, I think that's a stretch.
> But not as saintly as Adolph Hitler, who killed about
> 6 million Jews in the name of his supreme Catholic race.
That holocaust is just one example of man's inhumanity to man.
When you think about it, it's a bit embarrassing to be a member of the
human race.
Carol Lee Smith
> If you really want a serious answer to what the "atheist thing" brought to
> the world, how about these for starters:
Thanks very much.
I feel better now.
> Being kind, helpful and respectful to others, not out of fear of frying in
> Hell or because of the promise of Heaven, but because it is the right thing
> to do.
> Thinking for ourselves instead of relying on authoritarian systems for
> information.
> Putting fear and superstition behind us to concentrate on making the best
> world possible.
> Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Douglass Adams, Mark Twain, etc.
There are, of course, many more atheist heros.
> A heliocentric view of the universe.
> And oh so much more!
Thanks.
I will sleep well tonight.
Vic Sagerquist
>
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
>>
>> Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
>>
> Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were
> communists, and of course most communists are atheists.
>
>
I have it upon good authority that until very recently (and maybe even
now), most Christians were pedophiles. And of course, most pedophiles
are Christians. Can you refute this?
David V.
> On Wed, 26 May 2004, Another Apostate wrote:
>
>> Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Douglass Adams, Mark Twain,
>> etc.
>
Enkidu
mark.ri...@die.spammers.die says...
> But there are many explanations as to why humans create gods and
> religion.
The study of religion should really be carried on by psychologists.
Vic Sagerquist
>
> "W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:addbfe17f0aae343...@news.1usenet.com...
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>>
>> >"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and
>> >you
> can
>> >look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>> >
>> >- Pol Pot
>> >
>> >Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole
> atheist
>> >thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or
>> >witty smart-asses?
>> >
>> >H.B.
>>
>> Well, you got us. We might as well come clean now, fellow heathens.
>> Yes, we ARE evil. Yes, we DO want to kill everybody. And we would've
>> gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
>>
>> Curses, curses.
>>
>
> This better not mean we have to give up eating children, I just picked
> up a bunch from the local Atheist Cash and Carry.
>
>
Christian children? TRUE Christian children???
<drool>
I'll get the barbecue on!
Vic Sagerquist
I find it embarrassing to be an American in this day and age. I haven't
been beyond the confines of our borders since 9-11. I value my life too
much.
Chani
"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
> [Newsgroups trimmed to alt.atheism only]
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:21:05 GMT, "Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
> >news:o138b0djpo6n059gp...@4ax.com...
>
> >> Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
> >> called Chani.
> >> You don't know her do you?
> >> 8-)
> >
> >I may be familiar with her. I hear she pops up now and again. :-)
>
> Not for *ages* - I heard she was dead - or else had moved to alabama.
Alabama!! Fate worse than death!! :-)
> 8-)
> That's what the guy taking the funiture out of your office at the
> E.A.C. had said anyhow...
Well of course! HQ had been infiltrated, and we had to relocate. Of course
he would tell some absurd story.....Um, you all aren't still hanging out
there are you? I mean, we leased that building ages ago to the Christian
Coalition for Stupid Jesus Arguments. They particularly liked the torture
cham...uh, labs...uh, basements. We of course had all the equipment removed
prior to their taking up residence.
--
Chani, atheist #1118
Head of the EAC
Tweeker of Tukla, a very, um, colorful Ratte
***********************************
>
lao fei zhu
can
> look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>
> - Pol Pot
>
> Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
> thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
> smart-asses?
okay, everybody together:
mary, mary quite contrary
"how does your garden grow?"
"with silver bells and cockle shells
and pretty maids all in a row."
baby: the other other white meat
bob young
hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
> look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>
> - Pol Pot
>
> Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
> thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
> smart-asses?
Another clown who thinks humans are categorised by the religion they follow.
There are 1.3 billion people in China out of which around 1.1 billion have no
religion. By your twisted logic all these are potential mass murderers. What a
fool.
Religion killed millions in the past and shows no sign of slowing down.
Communists banned religions simply because their one party system was always
under threat and they feared any organisation that might bind the population
together against them.
Read on to find out what an atheist is
Bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Chani
"Vic Sagerquist" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94F4D984...@204.127.199.17...
> One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Gary Bohn:
>
> >
> > "W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> > news:addbfe17f0aae343...@news.1usenet.com...
> >> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> >"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and
> >> >you
> > can
> >> >look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
> >> >
> >> >- Pol Pot
> >> >
> >> >Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole
> > atheist
> >> >thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or
> >> >witty smart-asses?
> >> >
> >> >H.B.
> >>
> >> Well, you got us. We might as well come clean now, fellow heathens.
> >> Yes, we ARE evil. Yes, we DO want to kill everybody. And we would've
> >> gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
> >>
> >> Curses, curses.
> >>
> >
> > This better not mean we have to give up eating children, I just picked
> > up a bunch from the local Atheist Cash and Carry.
> >
> >
>
> Christian children? TRUE Christian children???
>
> <drool>
>
> I'll get the barbecue on!
I'll bring the potato salad! Mmmmm, BBQ!!
--
Chani, atheist #1118
Head of the EAC
Tweeker of Tukla, a very, um, colorful Ratte
***********************************
>
Cap Tool
"Communalists" that are largely theistic.
"Carol Lee Smith" <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.104052...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
>
> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
>
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
> > "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
can
> > look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
> > - Pol Pot
>
> > Just gotta love those communists eh?
>
> Atheists do not = communists.
>
> Communists do not = atheists.
>
> << Seriously, what has the whole atheist thing brought to the world,
> other than maniacal mass murderers or witty smart-asses?>>
>
> Just what is meant by "the whole atheist thing" ??
>
> Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
>
> Crusades
>
> Inquisitions
>
> Pogroms
>
> Holocausts
>
> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
> 9/11
>
> And that is just for starters.
>
> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament
> from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of
> Babel, the rainbow at sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to
> God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted
> than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any
> barbarian." - Charles Darwin (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)
>
>
bob young
hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> > Communists do not = atheists.
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
Quite true wherever one is coming from
>
> > Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
> >
> > Crusades
>
> An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
Nonsense., Medeival times were sructured wholly around the church, the cross
and faith in going to heaven. It was the politicians who had no choice but to
accept the bishops and their flock otherwise they would be fibnished off by the
populace. Learn your history
>
> > Inquisitions
>
> In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
> people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
> that many before breakfast.
and 30,000 died in the name os superstition. The religious killers of the time
wree no different from Stalin. [At least he killed in the name of communism,
not in the name of any religion]
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,
[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
>
> > Pogroms
>
> Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
> carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
See above and refer to the Nazis. USA, Britain and the Allies AND the Germans
all praying in similar churches for the death and destreuction of the opposite
side! What pathetic idiocy
>
> > Holocausts
>
> I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
> was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
See above
>
> > Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
> Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
are they not supposed to know better?
>
> > 9/11
>
> I can't speak for Islamic fundamentalists, but fundamentalism of any sort is
> bad. (As we have seen...)
>
> "Where reason cannot wade, there faith may swim."
> -Thomas Watson
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
[Richard Dawkins]
>
> "Credo ut Intelligam." (I believe in order to understand.)
> -St. Augustine
Logical consequences are the scarecrows of fools and the beacons of wise men
[Huxley]
>
> "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge in the field of Truth and
> Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
> -Albert Einstein
It would seem that men always need some idiotic fiction in the name of which
they can hate one another. Once it was religion. Now it is the State.
[Albert Einstein]
>
> "It's knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.
> What is requires of it's God is the answer to it's question. 'Is there
> nothing more?'"
> -Spock ;)
"The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by Homo Sapiens is that the Lord
God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine
adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and
becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous
notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found
one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history."
[Robert Heinlein]
>
Cap Tool
to Islamic oppression in the Holy Land. Including persecutions of the
Eastern Roman Empire. It was at the time feared that the invasion would
continue into Europe, the Pope therefore saw it necessary to hold off the
invasion by declaring a Crusade. The Crusades were actually relatively mild
compared to the type of fierce fighting that occurred between Europeans
themselves. So were the Crusades a good thing, certainly not. BUT they
WERE NOT as bad as they have been portrayed. They are also certainly not
exemplary of modern Christianity and Catholicism.
"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:19d44b67331865c6...@news.1usenet.com...
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
> >> Crusades
> >
> >An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
>
> Nah. Motived mostly by Christian hatred. A deep, animal hatred, that's
> intrinsic to Christianity itself and which has had caused millions
> upon millions of deaths through-out history. Christians, all
> Christians, are nothing more than sub-human psychopathic murderers.
> All of them. No exceptions.
>
> --
> Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
> W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
> Email will not be read.
bob young
Mark Richardson wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:59:58 -0700, Enkidu <enk...@leaddogs.org>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com>, hughb...@yessiree.ca
> >says...
> >>
> >> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Communists do not = atheists.
> >>
> >> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
> >> world - It is the opium of the people."
> >>
> >> -Karl Marx
> >
> >Just because Karl was sometimes wrong does not mean he was always wrong.
> >Argue against his point, don't assume he's proven wrong because he's
> >Karl Marx.
> Was he wrong?
> People get no comfort from religion?
> You sure of that?
>
> You never heard of *anyone* saying something like:
> "My baby died and I would have been destroyed had it not been for my
> faith in Jesus!" ?
True, a bit like the farmer in Afganistan about 16 years ago, his whole village
was wiped out includung his wife and family. asked for his thoughs about him
suviving he said "It was the will of allah" religion is mass hypnosis. Yes it
does good and attracts many good people, but at the end of the day it is pure
mythology, it is now 2004!
Cap Tool
Inquision and was supposed to eliminate certain heresies from the ranks of
Christians from the Spanish Inquision which was actually managed by
Ferdinand himself and not the Church.
The Spanish run Inquision was the violent and cruel affair, the prior
inquision involved mostly penances and investigation.
"William" <tel...@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
news:40b4076c...@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...
bob young
Malcolm wrote:
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
> >
> > Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
> >
> Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists, and
> of course most communists are atheists.
Communists had no interest in religion but certainly made sure that no
religion would challenge to their one party systems. They did not go on the
street corners chanting 'we are atheists' atheism did not interest them
When asked whether they should ban religions in other countries they just
laughed and said "If people want to believe in superstition in other countries
let them go ahead and do so".
Theists, when short on ammunition, as they nearly always are, use this
communist atheist thing like some magical manifestation. It amounts to
nothing more than a lack of understanding.
Bob
Hong kong
bob young
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:15:23 +0000 in episode
> <5b490fa696ceb67e...@news.1usenet.com> we saw our hero W.
> Syme <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm>:
>
> > On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:09:27 +0100, "Malcolm"
> > <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists
> >
> > You know, it's not very smart making remarks like that. We're obviously
> > going to ask you to back that absurd statement up, and we all know you
> > cannot do that.
>
> Expect severe hand waving with gusts of babble...
....and the faint sound of a fart as he disappears over the horizon
>
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>
> "I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
> That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
> has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
> agenda was and what they were trying to do."
> [Retired General Anthony Zinni]
bob young
Enkidu wrote:
> In article <c90u3l$urc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, malcolm@
> 55bank.freeserve.co.uk says...
> >
> > "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
> > >
> > > Atheism isn't communism isn't atheism.
> > >
> > Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists, and
> > of course most communists are atheists.
>
> That's irrelevant, even if true (which I doubt). Communists need not be
> atheists, and atheists need not be communists.
>
> Some dogs are brown, some brown animals are dogs. So can we conclude
> that all dogs are brown? No. Can we conclude that all brown animals
> are dogs? No. We can't conclude anything of the sort.
>
> Some communists are atheists, some atheists are communists. So can we
> conclude that all communists are atheists? No. Can we conclude that
> all atheists are communists? No. We can't conclude anything of the
> sort.
>
> We can conclude that it theists can come up with no better argument
> against atheism than this, they have lost...
Yes, - 'scraping the bottom of the barrel syndrome' [see my earlier post]
William
<capital...@comcast.ent> wrote:
>Communists are indeed Atheists. You may of Communists confused with
>"Communalists" that are largely theistic.
Top posting is bad manners.
Some atheists are communists and most are not. Some christians are
communists and most are not (many bishops have been communists and
preached it as being compatible with christianity). If you are
equating communism with atheism you are lying.
William
*nemo*
"Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com> wrote:
>
> "Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
> news:gt38b01c9mvt91ce9...@4ax.com...
> > [Newsgroups trimmed to alt.atheism only]
> > On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:21:05 GMT, "Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
> > >news:o138b0djpo6n059gp...@4ax.com...
> >
> > >> Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
> > >> called Chani.
> > >> You don't know her do you?
> > >> 8-)
> > >
> > >I may be familiar with her. I hear she pops up now and again. :-)
> >
> > Not for *ages* - I heard she was dead - or else had moved to alabama.
>
> Alabama!! Fate worse than death!! :-)
Maybe, but I can guarantee that it's *not* a fate worse than Mississippi!
Howya doin', nice lady?? {;-)
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Jos Flachs
>"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you can
>look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>
>- Pol Pot
>
>Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole atheist
>thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or witty
>smart-asses?
Democracy?
I recall christians did came up with genocide, inquisition, witch and
gay burnings and forced conversion. Oh, forgot something: hardly a
single church supported the idea of democracy. They all found it very
much contrary to the LOARD's word®.
Jos Flachs
>
>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
>> Communists do not = atheists.
>
>"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
>world - It is the opium of the people."
>
>-Karl Marx
Correct. Now do tell me: when did communists prosecuted in the name of
atheism? Never? Right in one!
>> Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
>>
>> Crusades
>
>An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
But a religious conflict nevertheless.
>> Inquisitions
>
>In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
>people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin killed
>that many before breakfast.
I beg to differ. I got very different figures. Where did you find
yours? www.vatican.com ?
>> Pogroms
>
>Most of which were politically motivated... and the worst of which were
>carried out by the communists... er... like Pol Pot.
Sorry, bub. Pogrom is another word for jew-hunt. Narry a jew in
Cambodia. Pogroms were invented by xtians. And committed by xtians.
>> Holocausts
>
>I assume you mean 'the' holocaust. Now, the National Socialist Party (Nazis)
>was hardly a religious organization, but a decidedly atheist one.
Again, wrong. Hitler was in full support of the church. Any church.
You couldn't join the NSDAP or the SS if you professed to be atheist.
Atheists got those striped jogging suits and one way tickets.
>> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>
>Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They
could use some good news.
>> 9/11
>
>I can't speak for Islamic fundamentalists, but fundamentalism of any sort is
>bad. (As we have seen...)
True. And the worst of all, so far, has been xtian fundamentalism. Not
because it is inherently more bad than muslim fundamentalism, but they
had the technical advantages.
JPG
>
>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
In reply to Mr Huge Belcher's apologist ramblings,
How many innocent women have been horribly killed in great suffering due to your
holy book's command "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?
What is even more tragic is that "witch" may be an early mistranslation of
"poisoner".
JPG
JPG
> They are also certainly not
>exemplary of modern Christianity and Catholicism.
Much as Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin are not exemplars of atheism. They were not
philosophical atheists, just poltical atheists who saw the religions and their
leaders as threats to their power, much as they saw certain groups (Jews,
academics) or organisations (such as the Freemasons) as threats. They did not
kill in the name of atheism, they killed in order to remove their enemies and
squash any opposition.
Modern atheism, with certain exceptions such as the Raelian movement, is an
individual choice, not a political or social stance. At the risk of being
considered elitist or arrogant atheists are mostly to be found amongst the
educated classes who don't need a religion to explain the world or set moral
standards defined in the bronze age.
JPG
Therion Ware
On Wed, 26 May 2004 09:59:10 +0100 in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<m...@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
>>
>>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>>
>In reply to Mr Huge Belcher's apologist ramblings,
>
>How many innocent women have been horribly killed in great suffering due to your
>holy book's command "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"?
And let's not forget the initial prohibition regarding the use of
analgesics during birth, based on:
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy
desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Happily, Queen Victoria is reputed to have said "We *will* have
chloroform," and being head of the Church in England, and Queen, that
was that.
>What is even more tragic is that "witch" may be an early mistranslation of
>"poisoner".
Mistranslation? IMO, a lot of these translations are self-serving, viz
"Thou shalt not kill, " and the modern convenience of "Thou shalt not
murder," where "murder" is not the kind of killing that's convenient.
And King James was in so far as we can tell, rather worried about
witches.
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Jos Flachs
words:
>The Crusades were actually not an aggressive action, but rather a response
>to Islamic oppression in the Holy Land.
Only to a very limited extend. Since you start this topic: rather
curious, that miraculous conversion from Byzantine Orthodox religion
to islam ... incredibly fast. Any particular reason you can think of?
Walled cities were besieged by desert tribe men who hadn't even seen
stone walls in their whole life. With no knowledge at all of siege
techniques and completely lacked the equipment. Yet all the major
cities in the Near East (Byzantium) fell within days.
Allah seems rather powerful. Or was xtianity even more oppressive?
> Including persecutions of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Monsieur, that is bullshit. A century before the crusades started, the
split between Rome and Constantinople was definite. The first time
Constantinople was pillaged was by crusaders.
>It was at the time feared that the invasion would
>continue into Europe, the Pope therefore saw it necessary to hold off the
>invasion by declaring a Crusade.
Entirely wrong. That was noticed centuries before. The names Charles
Martel and Charlemagne, they don't mean zip to you, right?
>The Crusades were actually relatively mild
>compared to the type of fierce fighting that occurred between Europeans
>themselves.
Again, bullshit. Medieval warfare had a certain code - which did not
apply to infidels.
>So were the Crusades a good thing, certainly not. BUT they
>WERE NOT as bad as they have been portrayed.
They were a good WORSE than have been portrayed. Usually the massive
pogroms accompanying a crusader army are either forgotten entirely or
mentioned on the back page.
>They are also certainly not
>exemplary of modern Christianity and Catholicism.
That is saying that KZ lagers were not exemplary for Nazism.
Jos Flachs
historic knowledge:
>You must separate the General Inquision which occurred before the Spanish
>Inquision and was supposed to eliminate certain heresies from the ranks of
>Christians from the Spanish Inquision which was actually managed by
>Ferdinand himself and not the Church.
You couldn't be more wrong. The Spanish inquisition was indeed asked
for by the Spanish crown, but managed completely by the church. ANY
inquisition was managed by the church.
Of course you can always claim no inquisitor ever killed an accused.
Unless by accident. (Secular authorities were ordered to do the
burnings. God help the poor magistrate letting a heretic go free!)
>The Spanish run Inquision was the violent and cruel affair, the prior
>inquision involved mostly penances and investigation.
Again, entirely wrong. ALL inquisition was a cruel, violent and bloody
affair. Investigation was done with anonymous informers, who didn't
need any evidence whatsoever. The last inquisition ended in 1850 or
thereabouts when Rome was conquered by the Italians from the pope.
Actually, the inquisition still exists. Be it under a different name
and no physical torture. Just mental pressure.
Cap Tool
"JPG" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Therion Ware
On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:24:04 +0700 in alt.atheism, Jos Flachs (Jos
Flachs <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 05:33:55 GMT, "Cap Tool"
><capital...@comcast.ent> continued showing off his lack of
>historic knowledge:
>
>>You must separate the General Inquision which occurred before the Spanish
>>Inquision and was supposed to eliminate certain heresies from the ranks of
>>Christians from the Spanish Inquision which was actually managed by
>>Ferdinand himself and not the Church.
>You couldn't be more wrong. The Spanish inquisition was indeed asked
>for by the Spanish crown, but managed completely by the church. ANY
>inquisition was managed by the church.
>
>Of course you can always claim no inquisitor ever killed an accused.
>Unless by accident. (Secular authorities were ordered to do the
>burnings. God help the poor magistrate letting a heretic go free!)
Oh, come one - the secular authorities were merely following
orders....
>>The Spanish run Inquision was the violent and cruel affair, the prior
>>inquision involved mostly penances and investigation.
>Again, entirely wrong. ALL inquisition was a cruel, violent and bloody
>affair. Investigation was done with anonymous informers, who didn't
>need any evidence whatsoever.
And I'm glad to see that the theists we encounter hereabouts continue
the tradition.
>The last inquisition ended in 1850 or
>thereabouts when Rome was conquered by the Italians from the pope.
>Actually, the inquisition still exists. Be it under a different name
>and no physical torture. Just mental pressure.
Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, IIRC.
But, and here's one for you:
I think that - historically - the decline of torture as a means of
judicial investigation is proportional to the rise of secularism in
government. It's one of those things I've been meaning to look into ..
he said...
Enkidu
capital...@comcast.ent says...
> Of course most atheists are genocidal.
You are not only a moron, a willfully stupid insect, but a top posting,
willfully stupid insect.
Now, if you ever have a point to make, and you can back it up with any
actual evidence or logic, get back to me.
<plonk>
nobody
>>Until very recently (and maybe even now) most atheists were communists
>You know, it's not very smart making remarks like that. We're
>obviously going to ask you to back that absurd statement up, and we
>all know you cannot do that.
Please don't speak for me. Yes, communism has had strong ties with
atheism, denying that isn't intellectually honest. What of it? Does
the failures of communism make atheistic views any less valid? Of
course not.
David V.
>
> mark.ri...@die.spammers.die says...
>
>> But there are many explanations as to why humans create
>> gods and religion.
>
> The study of religion should really be carried on by
> psychologists.
It has been, long ago. Read The Future of an Illusion by
Freud. It's about the only thing he got right.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
David V.
> The Crusades were actually not an aggressive action...
Tell that to those that were tortured before being burned
alive if they survived the torture.
By the way. Top posting is considered rude.
William
>You must separate the General Inquision which occurred before the Spanish
>Inquision and was supposed to eliminate certain heresies from the ranks of
>Christians from the Spanish Inquision which was actually managed by
>Ferdinand himself and not the Church.
>
>The Spanish run Inquision was the violent and cruel affair, the prior
>inquision involved mostly penances and investigation.
The actions of the Inquisition began in the middle of the first
century and was still operating in 1633 (Galileo Galilei brought
before the court of the Inquisition). The hounding down and death of
heretics by the Church was widespread right through Euorope at
different times during that period. The Inquisition in Spain was just
more violent. But the Church in Rome and France was a close second.
William
>"William" <tel...@mail.clara.fl.com> wrote in message
Mark K. Bilbo
<gg08b0liotnahlt18...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
Richardson <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die>:
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 20:57:12 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:53:46 +0000 in episode
>><vpt7b0133g9ter2n1...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
>>Richardson <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die>:
>
>>> But, generally, its a non event.
>>
>>Like I've told people here in the ng before, I don't actually know when I
>>became atheist. It happened without me paying much attention at all...
>
> I don't know if I ever became an atheist - i realised I was an atheist at
> about the age of 10.
> I was forced to realise I was an atheist, because I found myself
> surrounded by people talking about God, Jesus, the church this, and the
> church that...
> And I began to realize "people- *grown ups* - actually believe this
> stuff!" - and I knew I was different - I didn't believe that stuff and
> thought it was obviously silly.
>
> If I had never encountered god belief, I could have lived and died never
> knowing that I was an atheist.
>
> Mark.
Which makes the theist certainty that it's *such a Traumatic! Event! sound
a bit silly...
(Or more than a bit)
Mark K. Bilbo
<gt38b01c9mvt91ce9...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Mark
Richardson <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die>:
> [Newsgroups trimmed to alt.atheism only] On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:21:05 GMT,
> "Chani" <ath...@thereisnogod.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mark Richardson" <mark.ri...@die.spammers.die> wrote in message
>>news:o138b0djpo6n059gp...@4ax.com...
>
>>> Chani.... Hmmm ...we used to have a regular poster who hung out here
>>> called Chani.
>>> You don't know her do you?
>>> 8-)
>>
>>I may be familiar with her. I hear she pops up now and again. :-)
>
> Not for *ages* - I heard she was dead - or else had moved to alabama. 8-)
> That's what the guy taking the funiture out of your office at the E.A.C.
> had said anyhow...
Shhh!
Tol' you the desk was yours if ya kept quiet!
Mark K. Bilbo
<ft79b0toon8hkaat3...@4ax.com> we saw our hero nobody
<nob...@here.com>:
Christianity has had (often still has though not much in the US these
days) strong ties to Socialism. That must mean christians
are socialist?
Mark K. Bilbo
<addbfe17f0aae343...@news.1usenet.com> we saw our hero W.
Syme <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm>:
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
>>"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
>>can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>>
>>- Pol Pot
>>
>>Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole
>>atheist thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or
>>witty smart-asses?
>>
>>H.B.
>
> Well, you got us. We might as well come clean now, fellow heathens. Yes,
> we ARE evil. Yes, we DO want to kill everybody. And we would've gotten
> away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
>
> Curses, curses.
You forgot to twirl your mustache!
Mark K. Bilbo
<RNVsc.116601$iF6.10953620@attbi_s02> we saw our hero "Cap Tool"
<capital...@comcast.ent>:
> Communists are indeed Atheists. You may of Communists confused with
> "Communalists" that are largely theistic.
And yet when the USSR collapsed we found Russia was massively theist. Most
all post-Soviet nations are largely theist. Looks to me like the "atheism"
that Marx babbled about was just another veneer on plain ol' power lust.
There simply is no real connection between the two. Communists *used
"atheism" to attack a rival political power. Actual belief or lack of
belief was irrelevant...
Mark K. Bilbo
<FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com> we saw our hero
hughb...@yessiree.ca:
>
> On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
>> Inquisitions
>
> In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
> people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin
> killed that many before breakfast.
I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
Elf M. Sternberg
>> Crusades
>
> An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
So were The Killing Fields of Pol Pot. Pot wasn't interested in
religion or its abolition per se; it was just a competing ideology.
"Communism" was Pot's religion. To argue that he did or didn't have "a
real religion" is to wander into semantics.
Elf
Mark K. Bilbo
<8p88b0lim9cegvsbb...@4ax.com> we saw our hero Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com>:
>
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>
>
>>On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
>>> Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
>>
>>Which occurs FAR less often than abuse in secular society.
>
> Does it really? Tell that to the accounting agency of the RCC. They could
> use some good news.
I'm not even inclined any more to bother with numbers disputes. I want to
know how "not as bad as" is a valid defense of an "absolute morality." I'm
not sure what good an "absolute morality" is when it's billed as "somewhat
less evil." A lot of moral systems are *less evil than Stalin (Hitler, Pol
Pot, whoever they pick this week to smear atheism with).
Given that Canada and Europe are fast approaching a wholly secular society
and are quite peaceful and civilized, I'm not sure the "less evil than
Stalin" argument is much of a sales pitch. We have example now of *secular
societies that are "less evil" so why bother with this "absolute morality"
anyway?
And they *are engaging in questionable comparisons. Fact is, the main
candidates for smearing atheism and secularism are from more
technologically advanced periods in history. We don't actually *know what
the crusades or the inquisitions might have been like had they possessed
comparable technology.
Finally, what may be THE holocaust of all human history was here in the
Americas. It's glossed over a great deal because the inheritors of the
conquest are the ones most prone to whining and bitching about "atheism"
or "secular humanism." But it's simple historical fact that christianity
was one of the major components in the conquest of the Americas. A
conquest that resulted in one of the most spectacular depopulations in
known history.
Granted, the epidemics figure in for an estimated 70 to 90% of the
population crash starting in the 16th century. But there was a great deal
more systematic extermination than people are comfortable discussing. Not
to mention policies that may not have been direct extermination but
brought about widespread disease and death.
Some days, I've thought about doing a book that gathers every document I
can find (and I've seen a number over the years) in which the christians
used their god and bible to justify the conquest. Even advocated
*extermination. But then I wonder if years of work would be worth the
lynching (in Jesus' love) I'd be up for...
Mark K. Bilbo
<Tirebiter7-22A7A...@individual.net> we saw our hero George
Tirebiter <Tireb...@netscape.net>:
> In article <pan.2004.05.26....@hoo.com-amikchi>,
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:31:27 +0000 in episode
>> <FrCdnUzxQ8r...@giganews.com> we saw our hero
>> hughb...@yessiree.ca:
>>
>>
>> > On 25-May-2004, Carol Lee Smith <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Inquisitions
>> >
>> > In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about
>> > 30,000 people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like
>> > Stalin killed that many before breakfast.
>>
>> I always love this one. When the people who claim to have an *absolute*
>> morality retreat to the "not as bad as Stalin" defense.
>>
>> How "absolute" is a morality that needs defending with "not as bad as?"
>
> Especially when they set the bar so low an ant can get over it. Gee, the
> church wasn't as bad as a monster like Stalin. Wow! I think I'll worship
> at that church. They must be god's true representatives because they
> aren't as bad as Stalin.
Reminds me of how the administration is defending itself over the prison
abuse scandal with "not as bad as Saddam!"
JPG
>Of course most atheists are genocidal.
Pretty pathetic response, and top-posted as well. Clearly you are not worth
bothering with.
!plonk!
Lannie Ruvin
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 05:19:45 GMT, "Cap Tool"
> <capital...@comcast.ent> wrote:
>
> >Communists are indeed Atheists. You may of Communists confused with
> >"Communalists" that are largely theistic.
>
> Top posting is bad manners.
> Some atheists are communists and most are not. Some christians are
> communists and most are not (many bishops have been communists and
> preached it as being compatible with christianity). If you are
> equating communism with atheism you are lying.
ACTS 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one
soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as
were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices
of the things that were sold,
4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was
made unto every man according as he had need.
> >"Carol Lee Smith" <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.OSF.3.96.104052...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
> >>
> >> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> >> good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> >> good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
...
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> "But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament
> >> from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of
> >> Babel, the rainbow at sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to
> >> God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted
> >> than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any
> >> barbarian." - Charles Darwin (The Autobiography of Charles Darwin)
Lannie Ruvin
>Of course most atheists are genocidal. <
Of course, you can prove that?
> Communists are indeed Atheists. You may of Communists confused with
> "Communalists" that are largely theistic.
ACTS 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one
soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he
possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as
were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices
of the things that were sold,
4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was
made unto every man according as he had need.
> "Carol Lee Smith" <hu...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.OSF.3.96.104052...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
> >
> > "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> > good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> > good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 26 May 2004 hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
> >
> > > "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
> can
> > > look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
> > > - Pol Pot
>
> > > Just gotta love those communists eh?
> >
> > Atheists do not = communists.
> >
> > Communists do not = atheists.
> >
> > << Seriously, what has the whole atheist thing brought to the world,
> > other than maniacal mass murderers or witty smart-asses?>>
> >
> > Just what is meant by "the whole atheist thing" ??
> >
> > Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
> >
> > Crusades
> >
> > Inquisitions
> >
> > Pogroms
> >
> > Holocausts
> >
> > Sexual (and other) abuse of children by the clergy.
> >
> > 9/11
> >
> > And that is just for starters.
> >
> > "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have
> > good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
> > good people to do evil things, that takes religion." --Steven Weinberg
> >
> >
Robibnikoff
>
>On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:09:04 +0000 in episode
><addbfe17f0aae343...@news.1usenet.com> we saw our hero W.
>Syme <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm>:
>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2004 00:36:52 GMT, hughb...@yessiree.ca wrote:
>>
>>>"I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people. Even now, and you
>>>can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear."
>>>
>>>- Pol Pot
>>>
>>>Just gotta love those communists eh? Seriously, what has the whole
>>>atheist thing brought to the world, other than maniacal mass murderers or
>>>witty smart-asses?
>>>
>>>H.B.
>>
>> Well, you got us. We might as well come clean now, fellow heathens. Yes,
>> we ARE evil. Yes, we DO want to kill everybody. And we would've gotten
>> away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!
>>
>> Curses, curses.
>
>You forgot to twirl your mustache!
Damnit, shouldn't have waxed.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Robibnikoff
>
>Of course most atheists are genocidal.
True, in fact, I stepped on an ant on the way out the door this morning <rolls
eyes>
Kevin Anthoney
Strange place for a bikini line. Or a moustache - I'm not sure which.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
Gary Bohn
<hughb...@yessiree.ca> wrote in message
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> world - It is the opium of the people."
>
> -Karl Marx
He was right!
>
> > Among the gifts this religion thing has brought to the world:
> >
> > Crusades
>
> An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
>
> > Inquisitions
>
> In the entire 350 year history of the Spanish inquisition, about 30,000
> people died, less than 100 a year. A good ol' atheist boy like Stalin
killed
> that many before breakfast.
>
<snip>
Why do you insist on equating Karl Marx with the USSR , China or any other
despotic Communism? You must be American.
--
apatriot #23, aa #1779, Grand Pubba, EAC Department of Oxygen Deprivation
Gary Bohn
Conservatism is not about tradition and morality, hasn't been for many
decades...It is about the putative biological and spiritual superiority of
the wealthy.
Greg Bear
Gary Bohn
"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:19d44b67331865c6...@news.1usenet.com...
> >
> >An atrocious period of history, but motivated mostly by politics.
>
> intrinsic to Christianity itself and which has had caused millions
> upon millions of deaths through-out history. Christians, all
> Christians, are nothing more than sub-human psychopathic murderers.
> All of them. No exceptions.
>
Woah there big guy. Here take a toke. <sound of deep inhale>. And another!
<deeper inhale>. There, feel any better?
Good. Now lets bash them religious nuts. No? Too mellow? Yah you're right.
Pass it over here dude.
> --
> Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
> W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
> Email will not be read.
--
Gary Bohn
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y...@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.26....@hoo.com-amikchi...
Those epidemics were helped along by purposeful distribution of infected
blankets.
>
> Some days, I've thought about doing a book that gathers every document I
> can find (and I've seen a number over the years) in which the christians
> used their god and bible to justify the conquest. Even advocated
> *extermination. But then I wonder if years of work would be worth the
> lynching (in Jesus' love) I'd be up for...
>
Go for it, I'll buy it.