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Jahnu
Jan 23, 2012, 10:06:29 PM1/23/12
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Krishna says:
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another. (Bg. 15.8)
The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg.
15.9)
The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
see all this. (Bg. 15.10)
The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try to. (Bg. 15.11)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another. (Bg. 15.8)
The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg.
15.9)
The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
see all this. (Bg. 15.10)
The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try to. (Bg. 15.11)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 12:23:50 AM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c08sh7l6lefhlhn87...@4ax.com:
> Krishna says:
You're right. You fools just don't get it.
--
Uncle Vic
"The minute someone like you would regard me as a sensible, intelligent
guy, I'd be in deep shit." -Jahnu
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news:c08sh7l6lefhlhn87...@4ax.com:
> Krishna says:
You're right. You fools just don't get it.
--
Uncle Vic
"The minute someone like you would regard me as a sensible, intelligent
guy, I'd be in deep shit." -Jahnu
Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee
Jahnu
Jan 24, 2012, 1:47:16 AM1/24/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:23:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>You're right. You fools just don't get it.
The Brihad-vishnu Purana says:
>You're right. You fools just don't get it.
namno hi yavati saktih
papa-nirharane hareh
tavat kartum na saknoti
patakam pataki narah
"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract
the reactions to more sins than he is able to commit."
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Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 11:16:10 AM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3tksh75tudu5mi92p...@4ax.com:
> "Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract
> the reactions to more sins than he is able to commit."
So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal, and
say one word and you're OK?
Nope. That's stupid.
news:3tksh75tudu5mi92p...@4ax.com:
> "Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract
> the reactions to more sins than he is able to commit."
say one word and you're OK?
Nope. That's stupid.
Jahnu
Jan 24, 2012, 12:11:30 PM1/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:16:10 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal, and
>say one word and you're OK?
>
>Nope. That's stupid.
So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal, and
>say one word and you're OK?
>
>Nope. That's stupid.
So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
lose, anyway.
"Krishna's name is the only means against evil in this age. After
searching through all the Vedic literature, one cannot find a method
of religion more sublime for this age than the chanting of Hare
Krsna."
--- Kali-santarana Upanishad
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Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 1:38:34 PM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:q4pth7hg1qk1vi7tt...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:16:10 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
>>and say one word and you're OK?
>>
>>Nope. That's stupid.
>
> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
> and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>
> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
> lose, anyway.
>
I don't believe you.
news:q4pth7hg1qk1vi7tt...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:16:10 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
>>and say one word and you're OK?
>>
>>Nope. That's stupid.
>
> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
> and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>
> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
> lose, anyway.
>
Jahnu
Jan 24, 2012, 9:40:35 PM1/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:38:34 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>Jahnu wrote:
>> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
nano-seconds. That's how insignificant you are in cosmos. Even if you
live till one hundred, it is very, very soon. What to speak of in
eternal time... in eternal time, it's as if your life didn't even
happen. No matter how big a chunck of time you take out of eternity -
millions and billions of years - it's just as short flash, it didn't
really happen, that's how short it is.
As for uttering the name of God at the time of death, whether or not
it will absolve you, you don't have to take my word for it, you can
test it. As I said, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
Krishna says:
By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4,32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)
At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)
Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)
Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)
That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns - that is My supreme abode.
(Bg. 8.21)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>Jahnu wrote:
>> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and steal,
>> and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>>
>> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
>> lose, anyway.
>>
>
>I don't believe you.
What, that you'll die soon? In cosmic time, you live only for a few
>>
>> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
>> lose, anyway.
>>
>
>I don't believe you.
nano-seconds. That's how insignificant you are in cosmos. Even if you
live till one hundred, it is very, very soon. What to speak of in
eternal time... in eternal time, it's as if your life didn't even
happen. No matter how big a chunck of time you take out of eternity -
millions and billions of years - it's just as short flash, it didn't
really happen, that's how short it is.
As for uttering the name of God at the time of death, whether or not
it will absolve you, you don't have to take my word for it, you can
test it. As I said, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
Krishna says:
By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4,32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)
At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)
Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)
Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)
That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns - that is My supreme abode.
(Bg. 8.21)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 10:51:43 PM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:l9quh75lhfam8jbai...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:38:34 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and
>>> steal, and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>>>
>>> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
>>> lose, anyway.
>>>
>>
>>I don't believe you.
>
> What, that you'll die soon?
No, that religion is testable.
<snip BS>
>
> As for uttering the name of God at the time of death, whether or not
> it will absolve you, you don't have to take my word for it, you can
> test it.
BS
> As I said, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
Unless there is a god, and it's pissed at you Hare Krishnas for
believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
(See Pascal's Wager.)
>
> Krishna says:
>
<snip BS>
news:l9quh75lhfam8jbai...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:38:34 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> So you can commit murder, rape, molest children, lie, cheat and
>>> steal, and then you 'll die and you're OK? Talk about stupid.
>>>
>>> You are soon going to die, then you can test it. You have nothing to
>>> lose, anyway.
>>>
>>
>>I don't believe you.
>
> What, that you'll die soon?
<snip BS>
>
> As for uttering the name of God at the time of death, whether or not
> it will absolve you, you don't have to take my word for it, you can
> test it.
> As I said, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
(See Pascal's Wager.)
>
> Krishna says:
>
<snip BS>
Buddythunder
Jan 24, 2012, 11:03:51 PM1/24/12
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against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
Jahnu
Jan 24, 2012, 11:12:02 PM1/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:51:43 -0600, Uncle Vic blithered:
<blah blah>
>Unless there is a god, and it's pissed at you Hare Krishnas for
>believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
--- but, but I didn't see it on CNN, how can it be true?
hahaha :)
Krishna says:
Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false
prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only,
without following any rules or regulations. (Bg. 16.17)
Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I
perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various
demoniac species of life. (Bg. 16.19)
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)
There are three gates leading to this hell様ust, anger and greed.
Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation
of the soul. (Bg. 16.21)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
<blah blah>
>Unless there is a god, and it's pissed at you Hare Krishnas for
>believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
--- but, but I didn't see it on CNN, how can it be true?
hahaha :)
Krishna says:
Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false
prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only,
without following any rules or regulations. (Bg. 16.17)
Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I
perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various
demoniac species of life. (Bg. 16.19)
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)
There are three gates leading to this hell様ust, anger and greed.
Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation
of the soul. (Bg. 16.21)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 24, 2012, 11:14:31 PM1/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:03:51 -0800 (PST), Buddyblunder wrote:
>Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
>against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
And one day you'll thank me for it.
>Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
>against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
If someone came and told you that everything you ever held dear,
everything you believed in, everything you thought you knew, all your
values, all you hopes and aspirations, all your love for wife, kids,
family, friends, and society, in fact, the entire foundation of your
life - it is all wrong, it is all an illusion - you'd probably think
that that someone was on drugs or belonged in a mental institution.
In this modern day and age of relativism and liberalism, it is
prohibited to know the Absolute Truth. You are allowed to know with
certainty such things as science and technology, but if you claim that
you have ascertained the original, genuine knowledge of religion from
God Himself, if you profess to know God and the real meaning of life,
you are immediately dismissed as a deranged fanatic.
All religions claim the same thing, comes the invariable response.
Lets examine this typical response of modern man. You see, it is
actually quite foolish. First it is asserted, that everyone says so.
Then the fact that everyone says so, is used to negate what is being
said.
If everyone says the same thing, the logical thing to assume is that
there must be something to it. Not that everyone says the same thing,
so therefore it must be false. How does that make sense? Where is the
logic? In fact, you would expect all religions to say basically the
same things, because all religions are different cultural expressions
of the same Absolute Truth. Surely, the details may vary, but if all
religions are differently conditioned expressions of the same truth,
you'd expect that they would mention the same basic principles.
And that's what the Vedic version teaches us - that all religions are
derived from the original religion from God Himself. If this is indeed
so, it stands to reason that it can be investigated and verified. If
it is a fact, it must be discernable. Otherwise it is just some
belief, some speculation. And that is how religion is generally judged
in modern society - some fancy speculations and beliefs.
Then again, if there is a supreme entity - that which is known as God
- it is a perfectly logical to assume, that He has given a process by
which He can be known. But in the climate of the contemporary culture
that at present rules the world, it is very unpopular to claim to know
the original explanation from the Supreme Himself. How can you make
such an outrageous claim comes the response... nobody knows the
Absolute Truth. It cannot be known.
So where does this strange idea come from that the Truth cannot be
known? It comes from people, of course. It is something the majority
of the population is brought up to believe in. But it makes no sense.
If there is an Absolute Truth, if there is a God, if there is an
ultimate purpose to life, of course it can be known for certain. Why?
Because God, being the almighty, omnipresent, all-knowing Supreme,
surely He can verify Himself beyond doubt.
And if there is no God, if everything is indeed relative and material,
then it cannot be verified. By definition, you can't prove a negative.
That's the funny thing about life - if God exists, it can be known for
sure, but if God does not exist, it is not possible to know for
certain. This is not an opinion. It is a fact - if God exists, it
can be known, because then God can verify His own existence. And if He
does not exist, then it cannot be known. It's as simple as that.
Note how the propaganda machine tells us the exact opposite. It calls
religious people believers, and atheists are called unbelievers. How
misleading is that? As an atheist you believe in something that cannot
be verified. But as a theist you believe in something that, at least
theoretically, has a chance of being verified.
Thus it can be concluded that it is a an intellectually superior
position to believe in God, rather than the opposite. The first
assumption, that there is a God, has a chance of verification, whereas
the second position, that there is no God, cannot be verified.
But if you dare point out these things - even though they are
indisputable facts - you are met with a wall of resistance - no, no,
nobody knows the truth. God is merely a fairy tale. To believe in God
is no more different than believing in tooth-fairies and Santa Claus.
That's what we are told.
What we can learn from this, is that society is not ruled by
benevolent forces. What kind of society will educate it's population
in something that is so obviously false? So if you know the truth and
you want to inform people about it, you are up against a massive wall
of resistance.
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 11:40:35 PM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:mvvuh7168t8u69hg9...@4ax.com:
>>Unless there is a god, and it's pissed at you Hare Krishnas for
>>believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
>
> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
I have a book that says wizards are real.
news:mvvuh7168t8u69hg9...@4ax.com:
>>Unless there is a god, and it's pissed at you Hare Krishnas for
>>believing in false gods. I mean, how would you know?
>
> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
Uncle Vic
Jan 24, 2012, 11:41:50 PM1/24/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:890vh7dn69sa97agc...@4ax.com:
>>Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
>>against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
>
> And one day you'll thank me for it.
Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
news:890vh7dn69sa97agc...@4ax.com:
>>Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
>>against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
>
> And one day you'll thank me for it.
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 24, 2012, 11:43:31 PM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 9:23 pm, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote innews:c08sh7l6lefhlhn87...@4ax.com:
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"I was raised Catholic, but I was never molested ... and I'm a little
insulted ... I guess they didn't find me attractive."
-- Bill Maher
> Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote innews:c08sh7l6lefhlhn87...@4ax.com:
>
> > Krishna says:
>
> You're right. You fools just don't get it.
This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
> > Krishna says:
>
> You're right. You fools just don't get it.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"I was raised Catholic, but I was never molested ... and I'm a little
insulted ... I guess they didn't find me attractive."
-- Bill Maher
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 12:06:41 AM1/25/12
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>> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
>
>I have a book that says wizards are real.
I have a book that says Darwin's theory is real.
>
>I have a book that says wizards are real.
Actually, I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference between the
oldest, most advanced, most sophisticated, most vast, and most
venerable body of knowledge known to mankind and some fictionbook from
the Coca-cola culture that spewed you out. Get and education, bozo.
--- but, but, but it's not on CNN, how can it be real?
Shukadeva Gosvami said:
Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy,
duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day
by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali. (SB
12.2.2)
In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man's good
birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be
applied only on the basis of one's power. (SB 12.2.3)
Men and women will live together merely because of superficial
attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness
and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and
a man will be known as a brähmana just by his wearing a thread. (SB
12.2.4)
A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to
external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one
spiritual order to the next. A person's propriety will be seriously
questioned if he does not earn a good living. And one who is very
clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar. (SB
12.2.5)
A person will be judged unholy if he does not have money, and
hypocrisy will be accepted as virtue. Marriage will be arranged simply
by verbal agreement, and a person will think he is fit to appear in
public if he has merely taken a bath. (SB 12.2.6)
A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of
water located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on
one's hairstyle. Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and
one who is audacious will be accepted as truthful. He who can maintain
a family will be regarded as an expert man, and the principles of
religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation. (SB 12.2.7)
As the earth thus becomes crowded with a corrupt population, whoever
among any of the social classes shows himself to be the strongest will
gain political power. (SB 12.2.8)
Losing their wives and properties to such avaricious and merciless
rulers, who will behave no better than ordinary thieves, the citizens
will flee to the mountains and forests. (SB 12.2.9)
Harassed by famine and excessive taxes, people will resort to eating
leaves, roots, flesh, wild honey, fruits, flowers and seeds. Struck by
drought, they will become completely ruined. (SB 12.2.10)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 12:11:28 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
O learned one, in this iron age of Kali men have but short lives. They
are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always
disturbed.
-- Srimad Bhagavatam, 1.1.10
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 12:29:05 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:41:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
--- but, but, but death is just like going to sleep. That's what some
idiot in a white coat told me. It must be true. All religions in the
world since time immemorial have told me that death is not the final
stage, but, no, no, the forefathers, the sages, the prophets - all of
them - they are just some superstitious losers with nothing better to
do than sit and fantasize about life and death and God. Today,
fortunately, we know so much better. Our Coca-cola culture - the most
destructive, stunted, and ignorant culture to ever plague the planet -
is the epitome of all human endeavor and progress... I seen it myself
on TV, and that's what they taught us in the Mickey Mouse school that
spewed me out - YEAH, BROU-HAH!!!! Let's nuke the bastards...
Is it any wonder the world's going to hell with idiots like that in
the majority? Good grief...
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 25, 2012, 12:29:04 AM1/25/12
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On Jan 24, 9:11 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>
> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
Your ad hominemistic hypothesis is flawed because it's not possible
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>
> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
for the brain-dead to be proud of themselves.
> The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
> O learned one, in this iron age of Kali men have but short lives. They
> are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always
> disturbed.
>
> -- Srimad Bhagavatam, 1.1.10
the desire in those men to live, for all those characteristics
combined in a person absent any reasonable refuge surely, as the
deathly stark coldness of a winter's night, would lead to an exodus of
mass suicides. Also, a genuine sage embraces the qualities of true
impartiality and understands the appropriateness of being voluntarily
non-judgmental.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Albus Dumbledore
sbalneav
Jan 25, 2012, 12:54:26 AM1/25/12
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On 12-01-24 11:29 PM, Jahnu wrote:
<snip>
> All religions in the
> world since time immemorial have told me that death is not the final
> stage, but, no, no, the forefathers, the sages, the prophets - all of
> them - they are just some superstitious losers with nothing better to
> do than sit and fantasize about life and death and God.
<clap><clap><clap>
There, now, Jahnu. See? It wasn't that hard to admit it to yourself.
Don't worry, just enjoy the life you have! Try to make it meaningful,
for yourself, and for others around you. The eternity you won't exist
will take care of itself, I'm sure. All you have to do is be here now.
CRIPES, WHY ALL ALL MY PARAGRAPHS LINING UP THIS EVENING?!
<snip>
> All religions in the
> world since time immemorial have told me that death is not the final
> stage, but, no, no, the forefathers, the sages, the prophets - all of
> them - they are just some superstitious losers with nothing better to
> do than sit and fantasize about life and death and God.
There, now, Jahnu. See? It wasn't that hard to admit it to yourself.
Don't worry, just enjoy the life you have! Try to make it meaningful,
for yourself, and for others around you. The eternity you won't exist
will take care of itself, I'm sure. All you have to do is be here now.
CRIPES, WHY ALL ALL MY PARAGRAPHS LINING UP THIS EVENING?!
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 1:06:31 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Your ad hominemistic hypothesis is flawed because it's not possible
>for the brain-dead to be proud of themselves.
It comes as no surprise that you take a common expression of stupidity
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Your ad hominemistic hypothesis is flawed because it's not possible
>for the brain-dead to be proud of themselves.
to be a clinical, medicinal expression.
>Those are not the words of a sage, but of a pessimist who fails to see
>the desire in those men to live, for all those characteristics
>combined in a person absent any reasonable refuge surely, as the
>deathly stark coldness of a winter's night, would lead to an exodus of
>mass suicides. Also, a genuine sage embraces the qualities of true
>impartiality and understands the appropriateness of being voluntarily
>non-judgmental.
limited cultural conditioning?
Krishna says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg. 9.12)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 1:11:51 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:54:26 -0600, sbalneav <sbal...@alburg.net>
wrote:
>There, now, Jahnu. See? It wasn't that hard to admit it to yourself.
>Don't worry, just enjoy the life you have! Try to make it meaningful,
>for yourself, and for others around you. The eternity you won't exist
>will take care of itself, I'm sure. All you have to do is be here now.
Here and now?? There is no such thing in the material world, just past
and future. The here and now just flew you by and became past. It is
typical for the conditioned living entities in the material world to
always lament for the past and hankering for the future.
Krishna says:
O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress,
and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and
disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense
perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them
without being disturbed. (Bg 2.14)
O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by
happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for
liberation. (Bg 2.15)
Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both. (Bg 2.16)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
wrote:
>There, now, Jahnu. See? It wasn't that hard to admit it to yourself.
>Don't worry, just enjoy the life you have! Try to make it meaningful,
>for yourself, and for others around you. The eternity you won't exist
>will take care of itself, I'm sure. All you have to do is be here now.
and future. The here and now just flew you by and became past. It is
typical for the conditioned living entities in the material world to
always lament for the past and hankering for the future.
Krishna says:
O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress,
and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and
disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense
perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them
without being disturbed. (Bg 2.14)
O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by
happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for
liberation. (Bg 2.15)
Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both. (Bg 2.16)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
sbalneav
Jan 25, 2012, 1:36:55 AM1/25/12
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Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 25, 2012, 2:38:56 AM1/25/12
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On Jan 24, 10:06 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Your ad hominemistic hypothesis is flawed because it's not possible
> >for the brain-dead to be proud of themselves.
>
> It comes as no surprise that you take a common expression of stupidity
> to be a clinical, medicinal expression.
My response was not a clinical (a hypothesis is not strictly clinical
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:29:04 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Your ad hominemistic hypothesis is flawed because it's not possible
> >for the brain-dead to be proud of themselves.
>
> It comes as no surprise that you take a common expression of stupidity
> to be a clinical, medicinal expression.
in nature) nor medicinal expression. It was a logical explanation of
the flaws in your argument. Instead of attempting to refute my logic,
you chose to characterize your own words as a common expression about
an ad hominem. Since a common expression is not necessarily fact, and
because you didn't actually disagree with my explanation, it appears
that you have accepted my logical assessment that your argument is
flawed.
> >Those are not the words of a sage, but of a pessimist who fails to see
> >the desire in those men to live, for all those characteristics
> >combined in a person absent any reasonable refuge surely, as the
> >deathly stark coldness of a winter's night, would lead to an exodus of
> >mass suicides. Also, a genuine sage embraces the qualities of true
> >impartiality and understands the appropriateness of being voluntarily
> >non-judgmental.
>
> So why do you judge the eternal knowledge of the Vedas from your
> limited cultural conditioning?
be fooling myself.
Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
Regarding my judgment of the words you quoted as coming from an
alleged sage, I explained why the words are pessimistic and, as such,
lack the wisdom of a genuine sage; instead of attempting to refute my
logic you chose to introduce a new claim with an ad hominem. This
does not advance your argument.
In addition to my contending that the words that you quoted were from
a pessiment and not a sage, I also contend that your claim that
Shukadeva Goswami (the one you quoted) is a sage is incorrect.
> Krishna says:
>
> Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
> transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
>
> Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
> views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
> fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
> (Bg. 9.12)
-- we are naturally curious, and ready to gain knowledge. Religion
and other fantastic fallacies, and other various factors (e.g.,
chemical interference, alcohol or drug abuse, mental illness, etc.),
are common causes of delusional conditions and sometimes also feelings
of bewilderment. Krishna's expectation that everyone is aware of him/
her is ridiculous and is founded in conceit (note: sages are not
conceited).
Atheism, due to its lack of belief in deities and supernatural agents,
facilitates clarity. Although it's certainly possible to be attracted
to atheism, there are many atheists who are not attracted to it --
it's just an incidental part of who they are. What I suspect Krishna
is trying to do here is to manipulate a social divide, possibly as a
small part of creating something like a giant straw man that will
later be used as one of many tools to convince followers that not
believing is not an option.
Regarding "liberation," Atheism is not about oppressing of freedom.
Krishna, on the other hand, appears to be in opposition to freedom by
placing arbitrary limits on liberation by effectively stating that the
hope of a "deluded condition" to gain liberation will be defeated.
Krishna's premise doesn't make sense because bewilderment does not
preclude one from gaining freedom, let alone hoping for it.
The meaning of "fruitive activities" is unclear, but if it's a
reference to procreation then all I can suggest is the fact that
procreation is a natural and necessary part of human existence, the
desire for which really can't be controlled.
The meaning of "culture of knowledge" is unclear, but if it means
something like "body of knowledge" then it's important to understand
that knowledge transcends both religion and atheism, and as such does
not add any value or credibility to Krishna's argument, although
deceptively it could seem wise to many initially.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
tension; we merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is
already alive."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 4:18:23 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:38:56 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
>am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
>assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
I'm just telling you how it is. You are conditioned by your culture
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
>am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
>assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
and upbringing. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. And you judge
everything by the Mickey Mouse values, you grew with. Talk about being
judgemental
>In addition to my contending that the words that you quoted were from
>a pessiment and not a sage, I also contend that your claim that
>Shukadeva Goswami (the one you quoted) is a sage is incorrect.
>We are all born as atheists,
Krishna.
>but we are not bewildered in this state
>-- we are naturally curious, and ready to gain knowledge. Religion
>and other fantastic fallacies, and other various factors (e.g.,
>chemical interference, alcohol or drug abuse, mental illness, etc.),
>are common causes of delusional conditions and sometimes also feelings
>of bewilderment. Krishna's expectation that everyone is aware of him/
>her is ridiculous and is founded in conceit (note: sages are not
>conceited).
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
"When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and
I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad Geeta and
find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the
midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will
derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
"The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been
current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided
by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states 'behold we are not an
earthly but a heavenly plant.' This correlation can be discerned by
what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad Geeta." - Carl Jung
"The Bhagavad Geeta has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind
by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions." - Dr. Albert
Schweitzer
"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal
philosophy of the Bhagavad Geeta, in comparison with which our modern
world and its literature seem puny and trivial." - Henry David
Thoreau
"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita"
- Henry David Thoreau
>Atheism, due to its lack of belief in deities and supernatural agents,
>facilitates clarity.
to seriously believe the world created itself out of a bunch of
chemicals without any intelligent direction.
Just imagine how stupid you must be to choose a dogma that makes life
ultimately meaningless.
>Regarding "liberation," Atheism is not about oppressing of freedom.
>Krishna, on the other hand, appears to be in opposition to freedom by
>placing arbitrary limits on liberation by effectively stating that the
>hope of a "deluded condition" to gain liberation will be defeated.
>Krishna's premise doesn't make sense because bewilderment does not
>preclude one from gaining freedom, let alone hoping for it.
and disease.
>The meaning of "fruitive activities" is unclear, but if it's a
>reference to procreation then all I can suggest is the fact that
>procreation is a natural and necessary part of human existence, the
>desire for which really can't be controlled.
extended to family and society. It basically means activities
performed with an aim to enjoy the fruits or results.
According to the law of karma everyone in the material world suffers
or enjoys the fruits of their activities.
>The meaning of "culture of knowledge" is unclear,
knowledge. In the Vedas 3 processes of knowledge are accepted -
anuman, pratyaksha, and shabda - inference, direct perception, and
knowledge from authorities.
>but if it means
>something like "body of knowledge" then it's important to understand
>that knowledge transcends both religion and atheism, and as such does
>not add any value or credibility to Krishna's argument, although
>deceptively it could seem wise to many initially.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 4:19:39 AM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:38:56 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
>am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
>assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
>am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
>assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
I'm just telling you how it is. You are conditioned by your culture
and upbringing. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. And you judge
everything by the Mickey Mouse values, you grew with. Talk about being
judgemental
and upbringing. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. And you judge
everything by the Mickey Mouse values, you grew with. Talk about being
judgemental
>In addition to my contending that the words that you quoted were from
>a pessiment and not a sage, I also contend that your claim that
>Shukadeva Goswami (the one you quoted) is a sage is incorrect.
>a pessiment and not a sage, I also contend that your claim that
>Shukadeva Goswami (the one you quoted) is a sage is incorrect.
Who gives a hoot what you contend?
>We are all born as atheists,
BS. My two kids, now 20 and 22 were both born and raised in Hare
Krishna.
Krishna.
>but we are not bewildered in this state
>-- we are naturally curious, and ready to gain knowledge. Religion
>and other fantastic fallacies, and other various factors (e.g.,
>chemical interference, alcohol or drug abuse, mental illness, etc.),
>are common causes of delusional conditions and sometimes also feelings
>of bewilderment. Krishna's expectation that everyone is aware of him/
>her is ridiculous and is founded in conceit (note: sages are not
>conceited).
>-- we are naturally curious, and ready to gain knowledge. Religion
>and other fantastic fallacies, and other various factors (e.g.,
>chemical interference, alcohol or drug abuse, mental illness, etc.),
>are common causes of delusional conditions and sometimes also feelings
>of bewilderment. Krishna's expectation that everyone is aware of him/
>her is ridiculous and is founded in conceit (note: sages are not
>conceited).
>Atheism, due to its lack of belief in deities and supernatural agents,
>facilitates clarity.
>facilitates clarity.
Atheism facilitates brain-damage. Just imagine how stupid you must be
to seriously believe the world created itself out of a bunch of
chemicals without any intelligent direction.
Just imagine how stupid you must be to choose a dogma that makes life
ultimately meaningless.
to seriously believe the world created itself out of a bunch of
chemicals without any intelligent direction.
Just imagine how stupid you must be to choose a dogma that makes life
ultimately meaningless.
>Regarding "liberation," Atheism is not about oppressing of freedom.
>Krishna, on the other hand, appears to be in opposition to freedom by
>placing arbitrary limits on liberation by effectively stating that the
>hope of a "deluded condition" to gain liberation will be defeated.
>Krishna's premise doesn't make sense because bewilderment does not
>preclude one from gaining freedom, let alone hoping for it.
>Krishna, on the other hand, appears to be in opposition to freedom by
>placing arbitrary limits on liberation by effectively stating that the
>hope of a "deluded condition" to gain liberation will be defeated.
>Krishna's premise doesn't make sense because bewilderment does not
>preclude one from gaining freedom, let alone hoping for it.
Liberation in this regard means liberation from birth, death old age
and disease.
and disease.
>The meaning of "fruitive activities" is unclear, but if it's a
>reference to procreation then all I can suggest is the fact that
>procreation is a natural and necessary part of human existence, the
>desire for which really can't be controlled.
>reference to procreation then all I can suggest is the fact that
>procreation is a natural and necessary part of human existence, the
>desire for which really can't be controlled.
Fruitive activities means selfish activities both self-centered and
extended to family and society. It basically means activities
performed with an aim to enjoy the fruits or results.
According to the law of karma everyone in the material world suffers
or enjoys the fruits of their activities.
extended to family and society. It basically means activities
performed with an aim to enjoy the fruits or results.
According to the law of karma everyone in the material world suffers
or enjoys the fruits of their activities.
>The meaning of "culture of knowledge" is unclear,
Another meaning is the proces of knowledge - ei. how you gain
knowledge. In the Vedas 3 processes of knowledge are accepted -
anuman, pratyaksha, and shabda - inference, direct perception, and
knowledge from authorities.
knowledge. In the Vedas 3 processes of knowledge are accepted -
anuman, pratyaksha, and shabda - inference, direct perception, and
knowledge from authorities.
>but if it means
>something like "body of knowledge" then it's important to understand
>that knowledge transcends both religion and atheism, and as such does
>not add any value or credibility to Krishna's argument, although
>deceptively it could seem wise to many initially.
>something like "body of knowledge" then it's important to understand
>that knowledge transcends both religion and atheism, and as such does
>not add any value or credibility to Krishna's argument, although
>deceptively it could seem wise to many initially.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 4:20:35 AM1/25/12
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Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 9:56:20 AM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:50:34 -0800 (PST), jesshc wrote:
>I am Worthless
I know :)
Krishna says:
They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in
control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other
than lust. (Bg. 16.8)
Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves
and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world. (Bg. 16.9)
Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride
and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to
unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. (Bg. 16.10)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>I am Worthless
I know :)
Krishna says:
They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in
control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other
than lust. (Bg. 16.8)
Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves
and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world. (Bg. 16.9)
Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride
and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to
unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. (Bg. 16.10)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 9:57:33 AM1/25/12
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Uncle Vic
Jan 25, 2012, 11:52:16 AM1/25/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:143vh794m4tboes53...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
>>
>>I have a book that says wizards are real.
>
> I have a book that says Darwin's theory is real.
>
Darwin's theory is yet to be disproven. There is physical evidence that
supports it in the real world.
Harry Potter is fiction. No evidence is given except that which is
fabricated in the story. Kind of like your book, eh?
news:143vh794m4tboes53...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
>>
>>I have a book that says wizards are real.
>
> I have a book that says Darwin's theory is real.
>
supports it in the real world.
Harry Potter is fiction. No evidence is given except that which is
fabricated in the story. Kind of like your book, eh?
Uncle Vic
Jan 25, 2012, 11:53:32 AM1/25/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:nf3vh7lkcotq3d1lb...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>
> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
Wow, what a razor sharp retort!
>
> The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
Who gives a flying fuck?
news:nf3vh7lkcotq3d1lb...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>
> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
>
> The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
Uncle Vic
Jan 25, 2012, 11:56:37 AM1/25/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:do3vh7di1fm952atf...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:41:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
>
> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>
Evidence? You know this how? The only evidence I've seen you give are
quotes from some holy book.
news:do3vh7di1fm952atf...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:41:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
>
> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>
quotes from some holy book.
Christopher A. Lee
Jan 25, 2012, 12:07:04 PM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:52:16 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:143vh794m4tboes53...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jahnu wrote:
>>
>>>> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
>>>
>>>I have a book that says wizards are real.
>>
>> I have a book that says Darwin's theory is real.
>>
>
>Darwin's theory is yet to be disproven. There is physical evidence that
>supports it in the real world.
And Darwin's theory explains the facts of evolution that won't
>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:143vh794m4tboes53...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jahnu wrote:
>>
>>>> From the Vedas, bozo. And from direct perception etc. etc.
>>>
>>>I have a book that says wizards are real.
>>
>> I have a book that says Darwin's theory is real.
>>
>
>Darwin's theory is yet to be disproven. There is physical evidence that
>supports it in the real world.
un-happen. It has led to whole new sciences and technologies that
wouldn't even exist if he had been wrong.
So creationists confirm it every time they use anything related to DNA
- like the results of biotech in modern medicine and even food
products on supermarket shelves.
>Harry Potter is fiction. No evidence is given except that which is
>fabricated in the story. Kind of like your book, eh?
different for everybody else too.
But then theists are notorious for being narcissists.
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 1:16:25 PM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:56:37 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>Jahnu wrote:
>> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>>
>
>Evidence? You know this how? The only evidence I've seen you give are
>quotes from some holy book.
You'll know soon enough...
Krishna says:
He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination. (Bg. 16.23)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>Jahnu wrote:
>> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>>
>
>Evidence? You know this how? The only evidence I've seen you give are
>quotes from some holy book.
Krishna says:
He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination. (Bg. 16.23)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 25, 2012, 2:31:23 PM1/25/12
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On Jan 25, 1:18 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:38:56 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:38:56 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
> >am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
> >assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
>
> I'm just telling you how it is. You are conditioned by your culture
> and upbringing. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. And you judge
> everything by the Mickey Mouse values, you grew with. Talk about being
> judgemental
Once again, your claim is not based on credible evidence. You have an
> >Without knowing me on a more personal level, your false claim that I
> >am limited by some cultural conditioning is nothing more than an
> >assumption, thus this claim is not based on evidence.
>
> I'm just telling you how it is. You are conditioned by your culture
> and upbringing. It's not an assumption, it's a fact. And you judge
> everything by the Mickey Mouse values, you grew with. Talk about being
> judgemental
opinion which appears to be based on intolerance.
> >In addition to my contending that the words that you quoted were from
> >a pessiment and not a sage, I also contend that your claim that
> >Shukadeva Goswami (the one you quoted) is a sage is incorrect.
>
> Who gives a hoot what you contend?
> >We are all born as atheists,
>
> BS. My two kids, now 20 and 22 were both born and raised in Hare
> Krishna.
were born? How did they learn about these delusions prior to their
births?
> >but we are not bewildered in this state
> >-- we are naturally curious, and ready to gain knowledge. Religion
> >and other fantastic fallacies, and other various factors (e.g.,
> >chemical interference, alcohol or drug abuse, mental illness, etc.),
> >are common causes of delusional conditions and sometimes also feelings
> >of bewilderment. Krishna's expectation that everyone is aware of him/
> >her is ridiculous and is founded in conceit (note: sages are not
> >conceited).
>
> Because some anti-intellectual moron on AA. asserts so? hahaha :)
not one of my character traits.
dogma, and is not about making life meaningful or meaningless -- that
all depends on the personal freedom of choice that is a fundamental
aspect of being human.
> >Regarding "liberation," Atheism is not about oppressing of freedom.
> >Krishna, on the other hand, appears to be in opposition to freedom by
> >placing arbitrary limits on liberation by effectively stating that the
> >hope of a "deluded condition" to gain liberation will be defeated.
> >Krishna's premise doesn't make sense because bewilderment does not
> >preclude one from gaining freedom, let alone hoping for it.
>
> Liberation in this regard means liberation from birth, death old age
> and disease.
instance, is a form of oppression?
> >The meaning of "fruitive activities" is unclear, but if it's a
> >reference to procreation then all I can suggest is the fact that
> >procreation is a natural and necessary part of human existence, the
> >desire for which really can't be controlled.
>
> Fruitive activities means selfish activities both self-centered and
> extended to family and society. It basically means activities
> performed with an aim to enjoy the fruits or results.
socially selfish. People don't have a choice but to partake in such
activities that ensure our continued survival. The desire to enjoy
our lives is also reasonable after all our responsibilities related to
living have been taken care of. If a person is never be permitted to
enjoy life, what would be the point to living?
> According to the law of karma everyone in the material world suffers
> or enjoys the fruits of their activities.
to be a sage or a guru to realize this.
> >The meaning of "culture of knowledge" is unclear,
>
> Another meaning is the proces of knowledge - ei. how you gain
> knowledge. In the Vedas 3 processes of knowledge are accepted -
> anuman, pratyaksha, and shabda - inference, direct perception, and
> knowledge from authorities.
all religions as well as atheism -- it is a prime element of human
nature that is partly driven by survival instinct.
"Inference" and "direct perception" are some of the tools used to
acquire more knowledge.
"Knowledge from authorities" is one of many suppliers of knowledge,
but blindly following any authority has the potential to be very
dangerous. Questioning facts with impartiality as they are presented
is the preferred way to acquire knowledge, and anyone who discourages
such questioning is actually presenting a red flag that indicates they
can't be trusted.
> >but if it means
> >something like "body of knowledge" then it's important to understand
> >that knowledge transcends both religion and atheism, and as such does
> >not add any value or credibility to Krishna's argument, although
> >deceptively it could seem wise to many initially.
>
> Krishna says:
>
> My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
> you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
> you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
>
> This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
> secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
> perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
being lost. When mysterious knowledge is earmarked as "special" it
begins to move into the realm of delusion.
> religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
against fruitive activities?
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
rhetoric than to any other force."
-- Adolf Hitler
Uncle Vic
Jan 25, 2012, 4:08:37 PM1/25/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8hh0i75s7jhpm68v3...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:56:37 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>>>
>>
>>Evidence? You know this how? The only evidence I've seen you give are
>>quotes from some holy book.
>
> You'll know soon enough...
>
Right. You have no evidence. Good luck with that.
news:8hh0i75s7jhpm68v3...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:56:37 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Jahnu wrote:
>
>>> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
>>>
>>
>>Evidence? You know this how? The only evidence I've seen you give are
>>quotes from some holy book.
>
> You'll know soon enough...
>
JohnN
Jan 25, 2012, 4:42:38 PM1/25/12
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On Jan 25, 12:29 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:41:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> >Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
>
> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
Been there, done that, paid my health insurance deductible. No bright
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:41:50 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> >Like, after we die? Yeah, right.
>
> Death is going to be a real unpleasant suprise for you.
light, no relatives, no Smurf God, no gods at all.
>
> --- but, but, but death is just like going to sleep. That's what some
> idiot in a white coat told me. It must be true. All religions in the
> world since time immemorial have told me that death is not the final
> stage, but, no, no, the forefathers, the sages, the prophets - all of
> them - they are just some superstitious losers with nothing better to
> do than sit and fantasize about life and death and God. Today,
> fortunately, we know so much better. Our Coca-cola culture - the most
> destructive, stunted, and ignorant culture to ever plague the planet -
> is the epitome of all human endeavor and progress... I seen it myself
> on TV, and that's what they taught us in the Mickey Mouse school that
> spewed me out - YEAH, BROU-HAH!!!! Let's nuke the bastards...
>
> Is it any wonder the world's going to hell with idiots like that in
> the majority? Good grief...
planet and its inhabitants than either deserves.
>
> The sage, Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
> O learned one, in this iron age of Kali men have but short lives. They
> are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always
> disturbed.
JohnN
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 7:43:52 PM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:08:37 -0600, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>Right. You have no evidence. Good luck with that.
Good luck with your death.
>Right. You have no evidence. Good luck with that.
Arjuna asks:
O descendant of Vrishni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even
unwillingly, as if engaged by force? (Bg. 3.36)
Krishna says:
It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material
mode of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the
all-devouring sinful enemy of this world. (Bg. 3.37)
As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the
embryo is covered by the womb, the living entity is similarly covered
by different degrees of this lust. (Bg. 3.38)
Thus the wise living entity's pure consciousness becomes covered by
his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and
which burns like fire. (Bg. 3.39)
The senses, the mind and the intelligence are the sitting places of
this lust. Through them lust covers the real knowledge of the living
entity and bewilders him. (Bg. 3.40)
Therefore, O Arjuna, best of the Bharatas, in the very beginning curb
this great symbol of sin [lust] by regulating the senses, and slay
this destroyer of knowledge and self-realization. (Bg. 3.41)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Smiler
Jan 25, 2012, 7:45:28 PM1/25/12
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:03:51 -0800, Buddythunder wrote:
> On Jan 24, 4:06 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Krishna says:
>>
>> The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
>> fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
>> hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
>>
>> The living entity in the material world carries his different
>> conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
>> aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
>> another. (Bg. 15.8)
>>
>> The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
>> type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
>> about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg.
>> 15.9)
>>
>> The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
>> nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
>> the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
>> see all this. (Bg. 15.10)
>>
>> The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
>> self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
>> not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
>> what is taking place, though they may try to. (Bg. 15.11)
>>
>> http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
> On Jan 24, 4:06 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Krishna says:
>>
>> The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
>> fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
>> hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
>>
>> The living entity in the material world carries his different
>> conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
>> aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
>> another. (Bg. 15.8)
>>
>> The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
>> type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
>> about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg.
>> 15.9)
>>
>> The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
>> nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
>> the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
>> see all this. (Bg. 15.10)
>>
>> The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
>> self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
>> not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
>> what is taking place, though they may try to. (Bg. 15.11)
>>
>> http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>
> Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
> against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
It feels nice when he stops.
> Apparently we don't get it - yet here you are, bashing your head
> against the wall again and again. Weirdo!
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 7:54:01 PM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:42:38 -0800 (PST), some idiot blithered:
>Yeah, having religious people incharge has caused more harmn to this
>planet and its inhabitants than either deserves.
hahaha :) ... yeah right, that was clearly seen during Stalin's time.
It took a bunch of atheist a mere 70 years to run the richest, most
powerful and influential nation in Europe on its ass into some third
world country. Stalin made Hitler look like a Sunday-school teacher.
The most psychopathic, deluded mass murderes down through human
history have always been avowed atheists. As soon as atheists gain
political power everything goes to hell very quickly. There is nothing
nature hates more than an atheist.
Krishna says:
Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>Yeah, having religious people incharge has caused more harmn to this
>planet and its inhabitants than either deserves.
It took a bunch of atheist a mere 70 years to run the richest, most
powerful and influential nation in Europe on its ass into some third
world country. Stalin made Hitler look like a Sunday-school teacher.
The most psychopathic, deluded mass murderes down through human
history have always been avowed atheists. As soon as atheists gain
political power everything goes to hell very quickly. There is nothing
nature hates more than an atheist.
Krishna says:
Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 8:37:52 PM1/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:31:23 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Once again, your claim is not based on credible evidence. You have an
>opinion which appears to be based on intolerance.
The evidence of God is religion and revealed scriptures, bozo. The
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Once again, your claim is not based on credible evidence. You have an
>opinion which appears to be based on intolerance.
only intolerant one here is you. If you believe in this nonsensical
idea of Darwin's theory, how did religion even arise in the first
place? Why has there always been some concept of God in all human
cultures since the very beginning, whether among primitive jungle
dwellers or sophisticated urbans, if it's all a mere fantasy? Do you
think that your forefathers had nothing better to do than sit and
fantasize about God and the real meaning of life? How silly is that
notion?
Krishna says:
O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress,
and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and
disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense
perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them
>Are you claiming that they believed in at least one deity when they
>were born? How did they learn about these delusions prior to their
>births?
Children are simply a product of their culture and upbringing. Like, I
grew up with parents who were complete atheists. God and religion were
a non-issue in Denmark in those days. It wasn't till I was 19 that I
decided to turn theist and began my search for God.
>Who would that be? Certainly not me because anti-intellectualism is
>not one of my character traits.
anti-intellecyual, stupid people would think that the world and life
created itself out of a bunch of chemicals. Observable reality clearly
points to ID.
>You seem to be confusing atheism with a religion. Atheism has no
>dogma, and is not about making life meaningful or meaningless -- that
>all depends on the personal freedom of choice that is a fundamental
>aspect of being human.
(a lump of chemicals) and that your nation is somehow special. It
turns people into animals to think like that.
Krishna says:
One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile
and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who
thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or
who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who
never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even
visits those who are wise in spiritual truth -- such a person is no
better than a cow or an ass. (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.84.13)
>That's an incoherent statement. Are you implying that birth, for
>instance, is a form of oppression?
squeezed out through a hole too little for you and born in complete
shock covered in slime and shit. Do you think that's not an oppressive
experience?
>The desire to live is selfish. The desire to protect our families is
>socially selfish. People don't have a choice but to partake in such
>activities that ensure our continued survival. The desire to enjoy
>our lives is also reasonable after all our responsibilities related to
>living have been taken care of. If a person is never be permitted to
>enjoy life, what would be the point to living?
Krishna says:
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
>That's true, but it's merely a factual observation. One doesn't have
>to be a sage or a guru to realize this.
the Vedic version.
>The endless pursuit of knowledge is a natural value that transcends
>all religions as well as atheism -- it is a prime element of human
>nature that is partly driven by survival instinct.
consists of sat-chit-ananda - eternity, knowledge, and bliss. That's
why all living entities always gravitate towards these three
qualities. It's our natural position to be eternal, full of knowledge
and bliss. When the soul is cast into a material body it forgets it's
natural position.
>"Inference" and "direct perception" are some of the tools used to
>acquire more knowledge.
is 4 if someone hadn't taught you. In school you receive knowledge
from authorities.
>"Knowledge from authorities" is one of many suppliers of knowledge,
>but blindly following any authority has the potential to be very
>dangerous. Questioning facts with impartiality as they are presented
>is the preferred way to acquire knowledge, and anyone who discourages
>such questioning is actually presenting a red flag that indicates they
>can't be trusted.
believed in anything bliindly.
>When knowledge is kept secret, it is at great risk of not evolving or
>being lost. When mysterious knowledge is earmarked as "special" it
>begins to move into the realm of delusion.
a person's prejudism and preconceived notions keep him or her from
seeking and connecting with it.
>> religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
>
>Does this joyful performance not contradict Krishna's earlier warning
>against fruitive activities?
your selfish, bodily based activities, and live to please the Supreme.
The purpose of the soul is to be enjoyed by Krishna. We are not
enjoyers, we are the enjoyed. And by allowing yourself to be enjoyed
by Krishna, you experience a far greater happiness and satisfaction
than is possible by enjoying a lump of flesh (the body).
Krishna says:
A person in full consciousness of Me, knowing Me to be the ultimate
beneficiary of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all
planets and demigods, and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living
entities, attains peace from the pangs of material miseries.
(Bg 5.29)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 25, 2012, 9:31:54 PM1/25/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:45:28 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
wrote:
>It feels nice when he stops.
Then imagine how nice it feels when birth, death, old age and disease
stop.
Krishna says:
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
wrote:
>It feels nice when he stops.
stop.
Krishna says:
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 9:17:00 AM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:05:43 -0800 (PST), JessHC wrote:
<nothing of value>
Krishna says:
The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is
directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on
a machine, made of the material energy. (Bg. 18.61)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
<nothing of value>
Krishna says:
The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is
directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on
a machine, made of the material energy. (Bg. 18.61)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
JohnN
Jan 26, 2012, 11:53:47 AM1/26/12
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On Jan 25, 7:54 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:42:38 -0800 (PST), some idiot blithered:
>
> >Yeah, having religious people incharge has caused more harmn to this
> >planet and its inhabitants than either deserves.
>
> hahaha :) ... yeah right, that was clearly seen during Stalin's time.
> It took a bunch of atheist a mere 70 years to run the richest, most
> powerful and influential nation in Europe on its ass into some third
> world country. Stalin made Hitler look like a Sunday-school teacher.
The Russian Orthodox Church didn't really brag about his being one of
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:42:38 -0800 (PST), some idiot blithered:
>
> >Yeah, having religious people incharge has caused more harmn to this
> >planet and its inhabitants than either deserves.
>
> hahaha :) ... yeah right, that was clearly seen during Stalin's time.
> It took a bunch of atheist a mere 70 years to run the richest, most
> powerful and influential nation in Europe on its ass into some third
> world country. Stalin made Hitler look like a Sunday-school teacher.
their students.
>
> The most psychopathic, deluded mass murderes down through human
> history have always been avowed atheists.
both the pagan ones and the Catholic ones.
> As soon as atheists gain
> political power everything goes to hell very quickly. There is nothing
> nature hates more than an atheist.
and their wars.
>
> Krishna says:
>
> Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
> become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
> in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
> the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
real religion? Has there been an election or a steel-cage death match
between the gods?
JohnN
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 26, 2012, 1:13:15 PM1/26/12
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On Jan 26, 6:17 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:05:43 -0800 (PST), JessHC wrote:
>
> <nothing of value>
You removed your own arguments. That's interesting.
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:05:43 -0800 (PST), JessHC wrote:
>
> <nothing of value>
> Krishna says:
>
> The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is
> directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on
> a machine, made of the material energy. (Bg. 18.61)
referring to "Maya" which is yoga-meditation terminology that
describes the human body, senses, and intellect.
On face value, this reference to Maya, which is an interesting idea,
that merely defines what the allegedly controlled living entities
might be seated on -- it does not actually provide any additional
information about the initial part of the claim regarding who or what
is directing the wanderings of all living entities. So, I shall focus
on "The Supreme Lord" factor:
If "The Supreme Lord" is a metaphor for human blood, skin tissue, or
neurological signals (all of which might be implied by Maya -- this is
unclear), then it's important to understand that the brain (and its
stem), rather than the heart, is primarily responsible for this
directing of wandering. This is common knowledge, and, in particular,
brain surgeons are acutely aware of this fact.
On the other hand, if "The Supreme Lord" is a deity, verifiable proof
of its existence and of its controlling power will be required
(quoting scripture does not qualify as credible evidence).
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion
that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your
knowledge.""
-- Isaac Asimov
Mike Painter
Jan 26, 2012, 1:26:25 PM1/26/12
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JohnN wrote:
>>
>> Krishna says:
>>
>> Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
>> become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
>> in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme
>> against the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
>
> Blaspheme against the real religion, really? Who decided which is the
> real religion? Has there been an election or a steel-cage death match
> between the gods?
You will never guess.
>>
>> Krishna says:
>>
>> Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
>> become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
>> in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme
>> against the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)
>
> Blaspheme against the real religion, really? Who decided which is the
> real religion? Has there been an election or a steel-cage death match
> between the gods?
It's Jahnu.
His version of his religion is teh One True religion.
And some of the other versions don't consider Krishna to be a god.
Odd, Maeve created teh universe just this morning and I feel that I've said
all this before.
Dakota
Jan 25, 2012, 12:17:16 PM1/25/12
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On 1/25/2012 10:53 AM, Uncle Vic wrote:
> Jahnu<jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:nf3vh7lkcotq3d1lb...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>> goddess"<fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>>
>> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
>> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
>> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
>
> Wow, what a razor sharp retort!
>
>>
>> The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
> Jahnu<jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:nf3vh7lkcotq3d1lb...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:43:31 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>> goddess"<fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is one of the smartest responses I've ever seen in alt.atheism.
>>
>> No wonder. What can you expect from someone who calls herself Fidem
>> Turbare, atheist goddess? ... hahaha :) Not only are you totally
>> brain-dead, you are even proud of it.
>
> Wow, what a razor sharp retort!
>
>>
>> The sage Shukadeva Goswami says:
>
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 4:05:18 PM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:13:15 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Yoga terminology ("Maya"): By "material energy" I assume you are
>referring to "Maya" which is yoga-meditation terminology that
>describes the human body, senses, and intellect.
Maya refers to Krishna's illusory potency, His external potency - the
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Yoga terminology ("Maya"): By "material energy" I assume you are
>referring to "Maya" which is yoga-meditation terminology that
>describes the human body, senses, and intellect.
material world. The body and mind are of course part of God's illusory
potency.
Krishna's external energy is a distorted expansion from His internal
energy - the Hladini shakti - which is God's pleasure potency.
Basically Krishna has three main potencies or energies - His internal
potency, which manifests the spiritual world; His external potency
which manifests the material world, and His marginal potency, which
manifests the living entities - the individual souls.
>On face value, this reference to Maya, which is an interesting idea,
>that merely defines what the allegedly controlled living entities
>might be seated on -- it does not actually provide any additional
>information about the initial part of the claim regarding who or what
>is directing the wanderings of all living entities. So, I shall focus
>on "The Supreme Lord" factor:
or the illusory potency - that directs the wanderings of the living
entities in the material world.
>If "The Supreme Lord" is a metaphor for human blood, skin tissue, or
>neurological signals (all of which might be implied by Maya -- this is
>unclear), then it's important to understand that the brain (and its
>stem), rather than the heart, is primarily responsible for this
>directing of wandering. This is common knowledge, and, in particular,
>brain surgeons are acutely aware of this fact.
>On the other hand, if "The Supreme Lord" is a deity, verifiable proof
>of its existence and of its controlling power will be required
>(quoting scripture does not qualify as credible evidence).
know God for yourself, of course you have to practice the prescribed
process. It's like if you have never tasted honey before, there is no
way anyone can prove to you how it tastes. The only way is to taste it
yourself. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
Krishna says:
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
doubt. (Bg 7.1)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 5:10:36 PM1/26/12
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:17:16 -0600, Dakota wrote:
>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
Certainly more than you can expect from someone who calls himself
>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
Dakota, duh...
You're probably some white-trash loser sitting in his trailer wishing
he was a red indian.
--- they, they get to wear loin-cloths. So much more cool than mah
over-all jeans with a butt-flap.
Know why your jeans have a butt-flap? It's so you don't have to pull
them down when you go take a shit... hahaha :)
Krishna says:
The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all living beings, the
moving and the nonmoving. Because He is subtle, He is beyond the power
of the material senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He
is also near to all. (Bg 13.16)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 5:15:14 PM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:53:47 -0800 (PST), JohnN wrote:
>Blaspheme against the real religion, really? Who decided which is the
>real religion? Has there been an election or a steel-cage death match
>between the gods?
Suta Goswami says:
>Blaspheme against the real religion, really? Who decided which is the
>real religion? Has there been an election or a steel-cage death match
>between the gods?
The supreme occupation [dharma or religion) for all humanity is that
by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the
transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and
uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self. (SB 1.2.6)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 7:59:30 PM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:52:50 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>I am a Liar.
I know :)
>I am a Liar.
I know :)
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 8:05:24 PM1/26/12
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On 27 Jan, 03:52, jesshc whined:
Jahnu
Jan 26, 2012, 10:35:39 PM1/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:02:07 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
Uncle Vic
Jan 27, 2012, 1:55:36 AM1/27/12
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Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:44j3i7h7io9k6du60...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:17:16 -0600, Dakota wrote:
>
>>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
>
> Certainly more than you can expect from someone who calls himself
> Dakota, duh...
How so?
>
> You're probably some white-trash loser sitting in his trailer wishing
> he was a red indian.
Wow, that's pretty specific. What IP lookup are you using?
news:44j3i7h7io9k6du60...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:17:16 -0600, Dakota wrote:
>
>>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
>
> Certainly more than you can expect from someone who calls himself
> Dakota, duh...
>
> You're probably some white-trash loser sitting in his trailer wishing
> he was a red indian.
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 27, 2012, 2:04:02 AM1/27/12
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On Jan 26, 10:55 pm, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
> Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote innews:44j3i7h7io9k6du60...@4ax.com:
one time, "on a mission from DoD."
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Atheists are looking for God like a robber is looking for the
police."
-- Unknown
> Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote innews:44j3i7h7io9k6du60...@4ax.com:
> > On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:17:16 -0600, Dakota wrote:
>
> >>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
>
> > Certainly more than you can expect from someone who calls himself
> > Dakota, duh...
>
> How so?
>
> > You're probably some white-trash loser sitting in his trailer wishing
> > he was a red indian.
>
> Wow, that's pretty specific. What IP lookup are you using?
It's probably a special prayer he picked up from someone who was, at
>
> >>What can you expect from someone who calls himself Shukadeva Goswami?
>
> > Certainly more than you can expect from someone who calls himself
> > Dakota, duh...
>
> How so?
>
> > You're probably some white-trash loser sitting in his trailer wishing
> > he was a red indian.
>
> Wow, that's pretty specific. What IP lookup are you using?
one time, "on a mission from DoD."
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
police."
-- Unknown
Jahnu
Jan 27, 2012, 5:29:25 AM1/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:04:02 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>It's probably a special prayer he picked up from someone who was, at
>one time, "on a mission from DoD."
Here is the proof that there actually exist people who are averse to
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>It's probably a special prayer he picked up from someone who was, at
>one time, "on a mission from DoD."
truth and goodness. It's not that they are deliberately evil. Very few
people are like that. On the surface they are good and decent, yes,
they are indeed convinced they are doing the right thing. But they are
hapless victims of the atheistic and demonic forces that rule the
world - Krishna says:
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated..
(Bg. 9.12)
Note, how this statement from the Supreme is an exact description of
modern man. People are impregnated with demonic, atheistic views from
the the moment they crawl out of the crib and place themselves in
front of the TV. In fact, they wouldn't even be born to such parents
if they didn't have a desire for untruth.
Untruth means a material life dedicated to gratifying bodily and
mental urges. Such a life, even in a human body, is no more elevated
than that of an ant, a cockroach, or a dog. That's why atheism is a
demonic dogma. It teaches pople to remain in a bodily concept of life.
Liberation, another term in the verse that you don't know, means to be
free from rhe bodily concept of life and identify one as an eternal
fragment of Krishna's Consciousness - the soul. It's an atomi spark of
consciousness part of God, the Supreme Whole. That's liberation - to
be free from the material body.
The next term is fruitive activities. Fruitive activities means
actions performed with the hope and will to enjoy the fruits of those
actions. So one can act either according to Krishna's arrangement for
material nature, and get good karma, which means he will enjoy those
activities, or he can act against this arrangement - act according
whimsically according to the mind's dictattions. Such actions lead to
bad karma, bad results, which one will experience as suffering or
misery. So that one's frutive activities will be defeated, means that
the result of them is destruction and suffering.
Misery comes from three source - suffering comes from the body and
mind. It comes from other living entities. Or it comes from the
demigods, nature. Note, how nature, according to the Vedic version, is
ruled by persons. Anyway, one will either enjoy one's fruitive
activities or suffer them according to the mentality and motivation by
which they are performed. Very selfish activities lead to bad karma,
and very openminded, liberal, and loving activities, that take others'
needs into consideration, will lead to good karma.
The last term, culture of knowledge, means where do I get my knowledge
from. You have two choices. You can either get knowledge from your own
mind, or you can get it from someone else's mind. So we are all a mix
of those two.
Modern culture is a demonic culture that will invariably lead everyone
into suffering and misery, because all their knowledge is speculation
and limited to time and circumstance.
It is a direct observable phenomenon, that modern culture, and this I
have explained in another thread, actively and deliberately works to
undermine eternal religious principles. Such a culture is doomed to
suffering and destruction.
The Vedic culture lasted for millions and billions of year. The modern
culture, if we say it was started by the US after WWII, it hasn't even
lasted for 100 years yet, and it will hardly last another 30 years....
hahaha :) it's a nano-second in real life.
Krishna says:
When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 27, 2012, 6:49:51 PM1/27/12
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On 27 Jan, 06:08, jesshc whined:
> I lied.
What's with the constant announcements, retard? We know.
Look, here is the proof - Krishna says:
Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not
to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found
in them. (Bg 16.7)
> I lied.
What's with the constant announcements, retard? We know.
Look, here is the proof - Krishna says:
Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not
to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found
in them. (Bg 16.7)
Jahnu
Jan 27, 2012, 10:58:41 PM1/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:19:41 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>again I demonstrate that I think everyone is as dishonest and stupid as I am.
I know :)
Krishna says:
Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves
and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world. (Bg. 16.9)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>again I demonstrate that I think everyone is as dishonest and stupid as I am.
I know :)
Krishna says:
and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world. (Bg. 16.9)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 28, 2012, 1:16:38 AM1/28/12
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On Jan 27, 2:29 am, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:04:02 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>
> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:04:02 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
>
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It's probably a special prayer he picked up from someone who was, at
> >one time, "on a mission from DoD."
>
> Here is the proof that there actually exist people who are averse to
> truth and goodness. It's not that they are deliberately evil. Very few
> people are like that. On the surface they are good and decent, yes,
> they are indeed convinced they are doing the right thing. But they are
> hapless victims of the atheistic and demonic forces that rule the
> world - Krishna says:
>
> Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
> views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
[snip]
> >It's probably a special prayer he picked up from someone who was, at
> >one time, "on a mission from DoD."
>
> Here is the proof that there actually exist people who are averse to
> truth and goodness. It's not that they are deliberately evil. Very few
> people are like that. On the surface they are good and decent, yes,
> they are indeed convinced they are doing the right thing. But they are
> hapless victims of the atheistic and demonic forces that rule the
> world - Krishna says:
>
> Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
> views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
The problem is that you keep trying to push your corrupt moral views
on others. And then when you're challenged with logic, you turn and
run away from answering by leaving only quotes of scripture in your
wake.
Provide proof that your god is real, and people will take you
seriously. Note: Scripture is not proof.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Socrates of Athens
Jahnu
Jan 28, 2012, 2:24:14 AM1/28/12
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:16:38 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>The problem is that you keep trying to push your corrupt moral views
>on others. And then when you're challenged with logic, you turn and
>run away from answering by leaving only quotes of scripture in your
>wake.
You, logical?? hahaha :) You would't know logic or reason if it fell
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>The problem is that you keep trying to push your corrupt moral views
>on others. And then when you're challenged with logic, you turn and
>run away from answering by leaving only quotes of scripture in your
>wake.
on your head.
>Provide proof that your god is real, and people will take you
>seriously. Note: Scripture is not proof.
not, is totally immaterial. Who gives a shit what you will accept as
proof?
But just for the sake of argument, tell me, what will you accept as
proof of God?
Krishna says:
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess
Jan 28, 2012, 3:27:48 AM1/28/12
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On Jan 27, 11:24 pm, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:16:38 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The problem is that you keep trying to push your corrupt moral views
> >on others. And then when you're challenged with logic, you turn and
> >run away from answering by leaving only quotes of scripture in your
> >wake.
>
> You, logical?? hahaha :) You would't know logic or reason if it fell
> on your head.
Well, this time you didn't leave quotes of scripture, so perhaps
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:16:38 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
> goddess" <fidem.turb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The problem is that you keep trying to push your corrupt moral views
> >on others. And then when you're challenged with logic, you turn and
> >run away from answering by leaving only quotes of scripture in your
> >wake.
>
> You, logical?? hahaha :) You would't know logic or reason if it fell
> on your head.
there's some hope for you yet.
> >Provide proof that your god is real, and people will take you
> >seriously. Note: Scripture is not proof.
>
> Revealed scripture is certainly proof. Whether you will accept it or
> not, is totally immaterial. Who gives a shit what you will accept as
> proof?
emotional style.
> But just for the sake of argument, tell me, what will you accept as
> proof of God?
We also need a list of some of her main tangible capabilities so that
"cause and effect" can be tested for a number of them, and repeatedly
verified with full impartiality by way of the peer-review process to
ensure consistency, repeatability, and reliability.
This may seem like a tall order, but you are making an incredible
claim. So, let's start with:
1. a name and a basic description of your God (this would include
approximations of simple things like her country of origin, associated
religion, sex, age, height, etc.)
2. her main capabilities (e.g., telekinesis, use of magic to cause
changes in the physical realm, etc.)
3. how to communicate with her (for the purpose of testing)
As soon as we can know what your God's capabilities are, devising
challenges for her, such as a few of the following, would be the next
step:
- turning water into wine
- transforming the moon's surface into a functioning jungle or forest
complete with atmosphere within a 1-week period
- demonstrating extreme weather control such as causing a sudden week-
long snow storm in only one town in a hot country like Africa during
the hottest season
- causing lightning to strike in a particular place that would
normally be damaged by lightning at a particular time and without
causing any damage
- bringing a dead person back to life for a 24-hour period
- enabling a person with an incurable form of Paraplegia to suddenly
be able to walk on their own accord
- permanently re-grow an amputee's missing limb such as an entire arm
or leg within a 24-hour period
There may be other tests that are more appropriate depending on the
capabilities you provide.
Similarly, as an example of proving that cats are real one could
provide a list of a typical cat's capabilities (e.g., purring,
running, jumping, hunting, meowing for food, eating food, etc.) and
then easily test those capabilities upon acquiring a live cat to use
as a subject (the cat may not be a willing subject, but even under
such conditions most of these things are still accurately testable).
(If anyone else would like to improve on this approach, I encourage
you to do so.)
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Darwin Bedford, Ambassador of Reason
Jahnu
Jan 28, 2012, 5:51:09 AM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:27:48 -0800 (PST), "Fidem Turbare, atheist
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>We need to start out with a very short but useful description of God.
Ok.
goddess" <fidem....@gmail.com> wrote:
>We need to start out with a very short but useful description of God.
God is the Supreme being. He is full of six opulences - that's called
Bhagavan - the six opulences are - all beauty, all wealth, all
strength, all knowledge all fame and all austerity.
The name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Krishna.The
definition of Krishna is that He is the supreme Enjoyer and supreme
Controller. His female expansion is His pleasure potency - Radahani.
God's main definition is that He is the eternal cause of all other
causes.
When the jivas wish to enjoy separately from the Supreme personlity
of Godhead, Radharani - ie. Krishna's female pleasure potency -
distorts herself into Maya - the material world, so they can enjoy
Her.
In reality Krishna is the only enjoyer. The job of the soul is to be
enjoyed by Krishna, not to be the enjoyer of His female pleasure
potency.
This knowledge is coming from the oldest, most advanced, most
sophisticated, most complete, most detailed and scientific explanation
of reality - it comes from the originl Vedic culture.
If you don't to listen to the ancients, who have always known the
truth and the purpose of life, so be it. What can I do? All I can do
is to offer you the original explanation of reality available on the
planet passed down in a disciplic succession since time immemorial.
Ultimate it's a matter of authority. Either you surrnder to the
Coca-cola culture and its propaganda machinety or you surrender to the
sages - surrender you must. It's up to you - do you want to be a
Mickey Mouse clone who merely goes with the flow, or do you enlighten
yourself to the real purpose of life? As I said, iIt's up to you.
The Vaishnava religion is the only religion in the world that can tell
you who God is, what He looks like, what His name is, where he lives,
why and how He creatde the world, what and who is the soul. what is
the soul's relation to the world and God and everything else. No other
religion on the planet offers you thisc information.
The most ancient and consistent culture confirms it. It's not
something you have to take my word for. It can be tested and verified
scientifically.
Krishna says:
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
>We also need a list of some of her main tangible capabilities
ingredients or elements of the materiel world - ie. Krishna's illusory
energy. They are the five gross elements - earth, water, fire, air,
and ether (space); the five knowledge aquiring senses - ear, skin,
eyes, tongue, and nose; the five working senses - hands, legs, tongue,
anus, and genital - that's fifteen - and the five elemental qualities,
sound, feeling, seeing, tasting and smelling - that makes 20, then the
3 subtle or psychic senses - mind, intelligence, and false ego. and
the last element of creation is the jiva or the soul. That's
consciousness, the inner observer of the world.
> so that
>"cause and effect" can be tested for a number of them, and repeatedly
>verified with full impartiality by way of the peer-review process to
>ensure consistency, repeatability, and reliability.
scientifically.
>This may seem like a tall order, but you are making an incredible
>claim. So, let's start with:
Note how will keep on bitching and moaning about proof and evidence.
But the last thing you want is proof of God. We came here originaly -
you and me - to the material world to escape from the spiritual world.
We wanted to enjoy and controll separately from Krishna.
In the spiritual world Krishna is the only enjoyer. Some souls
rebelled against that and left for the material world. The funny thing
is that to enjoy seperately from Krishna the jiva needs Krishna's
help. You couldn't be in illusion and forget Krishna and think you
were the enjoyer withour being put into illusion and forgetfulness by
Krishna's energy.
Krishna is so friendly and liberal that He builds a distorted
reflection of the spiritual world, in which the fallen souls can try
and enjoy separate from Him.
Even a worm in stool thinks he is enjoying. He lives in shit - he eats
shit - lives in hell, but he thiinks he is enjoying. That's how kind
Krishna is. he lets the the soul rebel against Him and gives him a
world where he can play God.
Krishna says:
Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith
actually worship only Me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong
way. (Bg. 9.23)
I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those
who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.
(Bg. 9.24)
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Jahnu
Jan 28, 2012, 10:37:37 AM1/28/12
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On 26 Jan, 19:07, JessHC wrote:
> Jahnu demonstrates that krishna is an immoral ignorant fuck.
He he, you demonstrate Krishna's words in Bhagavad Gita -
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
> Jahnu demonstrates that krishna is an immoral ignorant fuck.
He he, you demonstrate Krishna's words in Bhagavad Gita -
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg. 9.12)
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Jahnu
Jan 29, 2012, 3:11:40 AM1/29/12
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On 29 Jan, 01:05, jesshc whined:
I again demonstrated that both me and my mother are ignorant immoral
fucks.
I know :)
Krishna says:
They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in
control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other
than lust. (Bg. 16.8)
I again demonstrated that both me and my mother are ignorant immoral
fucks.
I know :)
Krishna says:
control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other
than lust. (Bg. 16.8)
Jahnu
Jan 29, 2012, 10:29:24 PM1/29/12
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:39:37 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>I once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, demonstrate that both me
>and my mother are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
I know :)
Krishna says:
Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O
Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and
among logicians I am the conclusive truth. (Bg 10.32)
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>I once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, demonstrate that both me
>and my mother are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
I know :)
Krishna says:
Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the self, and
among logicians I am the conclusive truth. (Bg 10.32)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 30, 2012, 5:56:11 PM1/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:22:23 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, I demonstrate that both me and my mother
human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is
immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires
and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for
sense gratification. (Bg. 16.11-12)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, I demonstrate that both me and my mother
>are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
I know :)
Krishna says:
They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of
I know :)
Krishna says:
human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is
immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires
and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for
sense gratification. (Bg. 16.11-12)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Jan 31, 2012, 7:18:43 PM1/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:12:00 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, I demonstrate that both me and my mother
>are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
What's with the constant announcements, retard? We know :)
Krishna says:
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)
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>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, I demonstrate that both me and my mother
>are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
Krishna says:
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 3, 2012, 11:01:26 PM2/3/12
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 06:26:12 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, demonstrates that both he and krishna
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>once again, with another stupidly ridiculous lie, demonstrates that both he and krishna
>are proudly immoral, ignorant fucks.
Hehe, look you are predicted in the Bhagavad Gita - Krishna says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg. 9.12)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg. 9.12)
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 6, 2012, 10:13:49 AM2/6/12
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On 26 Jan, 19:08, JessHC whined:
> Jahny, I forever fail.
I know :)
Krishna says:
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything
emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. (Bg 10.8)
> Jahny, I forever fail.
I know :)
Krishna says:
emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. (Bg 10.8)
Jahnu
Feb 6, 2012, 7:41:10 PM2/6/12
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On 6 Feb, 23:51, jesshc whined:
> once again, I demonstrate that I'm a retard
What's with the announcements? We know you are a loser without a life
who has nothing better to do than whinge and whine incessantly about
posts that don't fit your Mickey Mouse conception of life.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
> once again, I demonstrate that I'm a retard
What's with the announcements? We know you are a loser without a life
who has nothing better to do than whinge and whine incessantly about
posts that don't fit your Mickey Mouse conception of life.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
Jahnu
Feb 8, 2012, 10:21:05 AM2/8/12
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On 8 Feb, 18:44, jesshc whined:
> once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Shaunaka says:
Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men who
never listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna, the
deliverer from evils. (SB. 2.3.19)
> once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Shaunaka says:
Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men who
never listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna, the
deliverer from evils. (SB. 2.3.19)
Jahnu
Feb 8, 2012, 12:21:39 PM2/8/12
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On 8 Feb, 21:11, jesshc whined:
> once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Shaunaka says:
Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men
whonever listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna,
> once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Shaunaka says:
Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men
Jahnu
Feb 8, 2012, 7:31:39 PM2/8/12
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On 9 Feb, 00:58, jesshc whined:
>once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Krishna says:
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
doubt. (Bg 7.1)
Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 9, 2012, 7:48:36 PM2/9/12
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:41:30 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know. You don't have to keep repeating it.
Krishna says:
The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything,
although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman
vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. (Bg.
13.33)
O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so
does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire
body by consciousness. (Bg. 13.34)
Those who see with eyes of knowledge the difference between the body
and the knower of the body, and can also understand the process of
liberation from bondage in material nature, attain to the supreme
goal.
(Bg. 13.35)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know. You don't have to keep repeating it.
Krishna says:
The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything,
although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman
vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. (Bg.
13.33)
O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so
does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire
body by consciousness. (Bg. 13.34)
Those who see with eyes of knowledge the difference between the body
and the knower of the body, and can also understand the process of
liberation from bondage in material nature, attain to the supreme
goal.
(Bg. 13.35)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 10, 2012, 9:47:00 AM2/10/12
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On 9 Feb, 00:55, jesshc whined:
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Jahnu
Feb 10, 2012, 9:59:36 AM2/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:02:24 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
Jahnu
Feb 11, 2012, 11:34:30 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:11:52 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>once again I demonstrate that I'm an immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know :)
Krishna says:
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>once again I demonstrate that I'm an immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know :)
Krishna says:
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 11, 2012, 8:08:24 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:38:06 -0800 (PST), jesshc whined:
>Once again I demonstrate that I'm are a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know :)
Krishna says:
O mighty-armed Arjuna, according to the Vedanta there are five causes
for the accomplishment of all action. Now learn of these from Me. (Bg.
18.13)
The place of action [the body], the performer, the various senses, the
many different kinds of endeavor, and ultimately the Supersoul—these
are the five factors of action. (Bg. 18.14)
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>Once again I demonstrate that I'm are a proudly immoral, ignorant fuck.
I know :)
Krishna says:
for the accomplishment of all action. Now learn of these from Me. (Bg.
18.13)
The place of action [the body], the performer, the various senses, the
many different kinds of endeavor, and ultimately the Supersoul—these
are the five factors of action. (Bg. 18.14)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Loirbaj
Feb 11, 2012, 8:40:40 PM2/11/12
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Atheists are never in search of truth.
They instead degrade into a life of atheism
from filth and squalor. They don't get it.
They instead degrade into a life of atheism
from filth and squalor. They don't get it.
Jahnu
Feb 11, 2012, 8:49:10 PM2/11/12
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actually feel sorry for them. They are headed for the darkest regions
of the universe. That's why I'm bombarding them with the holy name.
One day they'll thank me.
"If one chants the holy name of Hari and then dies because of an
accidental misfortune, such as falling from the top of a house,
slipping and suffering broken bones while travelling on the road,
being bitten by a serpent, being afflicted with pain and high fever,
or being injured by a weapon, one is immediately absolved from having
to enter hellish life, even though he is sinful.
(Srimad Bhagavatam. 6.2.15)
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Jahnu
Feb 15, 2012, 10:02:57 AM2/15/12
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:55:59 -0800 (PST), jesshc <jes...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On Feb 11, 5:49 pm, I wrote nothing of value.
wrote:
>On Feb 11, 5:09 pm, I wrote lies.
Krishna says:
The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all living beings, the
moving and the nonmoving. Because He is subtle, He is beyond the power
of the material senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He
is also near to all. (Bg 13.16)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
wrote:
>On Feb 11, 5:49 pm, I wrote nothing of value.
wrote:
>On Feb 11, 5:09 pm, I wrote lies.
Krishna says:
The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all living beings, the
moving and the nonmoving. Because He is subtle, He is beyond the power
of the material senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He
is also near to all. (Bg 13.16)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 15, 2012, 8:50:35 PM2/15/12
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:25:13 -0800 (PST), jesshc
<jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 15, 7:02 am, I failed pathetically.
Krishna says:
Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance -- these
qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha.
(Bg 16.4)
Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not
to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found
in them. (Bg 16.7)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
<jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 15, 7:02 am, I failed pathetically.
Krishna says:
Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance -- these
qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha.
(Bg 16.4)
Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not
to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found
in them. (Bg 16.7)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 15, 2012, 10:44:34 PM2/15/12
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:48:41 -0800 (PST), jesshc wrote:
>On Feb 15, 5:48 pm, I made idiocy my mantra.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
>On Feb 15, 5:48 pm, I made idiocy my mantra.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 16, 2012, 9:24:53 AM2/16/12
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:39:25 -0800 (PST), jesshc whimpered:
> I'm embarrassing myself again.
Tell me about it :)
Krishna says:
For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
> I'm embarrassing myself again.
Tell me about it :)
Krishna says:
For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
http://sandhedenerildehoert.blogspot.com/
http://truthunwelcome.blogspot.com/
Jahnu
Feb 19, 2012, 7:29:53 PM2/19/12
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On 19 Feb, 23:00, jesshc whined:
> I continue to pout and stamp my little feet.
Nobody's forcing you, retard :)
Shukadeva Gosvami said:
Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy,
duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day
by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.
(SB 12.2.2)
> I continue to pout and stamp my little feet.
Nobody's forcing you, retard :)
Shukadeva Gosvami said:
Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy,
duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day
by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.
(SB 12.2.2)
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