A spokeswoman said:
"The roof was leaking and the damp was a major problem.
Because we are such a small congregation with few young
people, this was not enough to make a loan viable.."
Most of the congregation are in their 70's and 80's.
They are hoping the building will be turned into flats
rather like former the grand methodist church at the bottom
of Leeds Rd. in Bradford. A listed building, this place
was abandoned years ago and subsequent to a
fire was hardly more than a shell.
Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
the city's premier theater stage.
--
Gregory Gadow
tech...@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
In your dreams, my friend. The most significant fact about the Church
is not that it is subject to decline and decay like all things of this
world, but rather its resurrection from apparent demise. E.g., the
Church in Russia and other atheist dominated countries as a contemporary
case in point. Perhaps you haven't heard of the spread of Christianity
in Africa and South America as well.
>
> Les Hellawell
>
> Greetings from:
> YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Denny
--
"There cannot be a God because, If there were one, I would
not believe that I were not He." - Friedrich Nietzsche
"My husband and I divorced over religious differences.
He thought he was God and I didn't." - Minny A. Spouse
> Robi wrote:
>
>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>> Dentist Surgery.
>
> Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
> One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
> center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
> the city's premier theater stage.
Well, at least now, they are being beneficial to humanity. But I do think
it is nice to see some of that old architecture maintained.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
>
>
> Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>> Pudsey Baptist church (Leeds) has announced it is to close
>> after 158 years. According to the Pudsey Times they can
>> no longer afford to maintain the building.
>>
>> A spokeswoman said:
>> "The roof was leaking and the damp was a major problem.
>> Because we are such a small congregation with few young
>> people, this was not enough to make a loan viable.."
>> Most of the congregation are in their 70's and 80's.
>>
>> They are hoping the building will be turned into flats
>> rather like former the grand methodist church at the bottom
>> of Leeds Rd. in Bradford. A listed building, this place
>> was abandoned years ago and subsequent to a
>> fire was hardly more than a shell.
>>
>> Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>> once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>
> In your dreams, my friend. The most significant fact about the Church
> is not that it is subject to decline and decay like all things of this
> world, but rather its resurrection from apparent demise. E.g., the
> Church in Russia and other atheist dominated countries as a
> contemporary case in point. Perhaps you haven't heard of the spread
> of Christianity in Africa and South America as well.
Yeah, as long as we can maintain ignorance and stupidity for the masses,
the church can survive.
> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
> some of them.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Snif...man, that's..it's..EFFING BEAUTIFUL!
Thanks for the link.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
Hmmm. The advanced modern technical societies of Gabon, Sudan, Bolivia
and Guatamala. Yup, Da Church is *really* on the march. Especially
among those people who are ignorant about indoor plumbing.
>Robi wrote:
>
>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>> Dentist Surgery.
I have passed this particular church several times but never even
noticed it. They usually have banners outside with silly messages,
the funniest of course being "Jesus Saves". The grandest Weslyan
chapel in Pudsey was closed long ago and has become part of quaint
little shopping centre around some old lanes and squares.
>Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
>One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
>center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
>the city's premier theater stage.
It's a particular problem in York which has a fine legacy of medieval
churches within the walls in addition to the Minster nearly all of
them redundant, Together York has the largest collection of medieval
stained glass in Europe. One of the finest churches has been superbly
converted into the museum of York,with a platfor to see one of the
larger windows, whilst another is displayed as a museum or ancient
building in its own right.
Between Bradford and Cleckheaton a former classically designed
church now claims to be the largest Indian restaurant in the world.
So instead of being a place of misery it is now a place of pleasure
:-)
> Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>> Pudsey Baptist church (Leeds) has announced it is to close after 158
>> years. According to the Pudsey Times they can no longer afford to
>> maintain the building.
>>
>> A spokeswoman said:
>> "The roof was leaking and the damp was a major problem. Because we are
>> such a small congregation with few young people, this was not enough to
>> make a loan viable.." Most of the congregation are in their 70's and
>> 80's.
>>
>> They are hoping the building will be turned into flats rather like
>> former the grand methodist church at the bottom of Leeds Rd. in
>> Bradford. A listed building, this place was abandoned years ago and
>> subsequent to a fire was hardly more than a shell.
>>
>> Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a once
>> superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>
> In your dreams, my friend. The most significant fact about the Church is
> not that it is subject to decline and decay like all things of this world,
> but rather its resurrection from apparent demise. E.g., the Church in
> Russia and other atheist dominated countries as a contemporary case in
> point. Perhaps you haven't heard of the spread of Christianity in Africa
> and South America as well.
And yet as a percentage of population, Christianity is losing ground...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
"Christians were 34.5 percent of world population in 1900, and will be
33.1 percent in 2002."
That's a whopping 1.4 percent drop in a 102 year period. Christianity's
2000 year history calls for the long term perspective. There have been
centuries of growth and others of decline all along the time line, I
would suspect. It's the long haul that makes the important difference.
>
> --
> Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
> Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
> --------------------------------------------------
> "Come to think of it, there are already a million
> monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
> is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
>
>In your dreams, my friend. The most significant fact about the Church
>is not that it is subject to decline and decay like all things of this
>world, but rather its resurrection from apparent demise. E.g., the
>Church in Russia and other atheist dominated countries as a contemporary
>case in point. Perhaps you haven't heard of the spread of Christianity
>in Africa and South America as well.
How atypical of the brainwashed believing their own choir.
Drag out third world evangelizing to poor, suffering and illiterate
people as a banner for belief.
Yeah, right. Proof of a god.
It's just proof of what disgusting activities christians will go
to, to show how morally deprived they are.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
>Robi wrote:
>
>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>> Dentist Surgery.
>
>Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
>One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
>center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
>the city's premier theater stage.
I would like to see some of them being used as museums of mythology.
That would have a lovely, somewhat ironic squirt of flavor to it. :-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
http://surrenderingtothefall.blogspot.com
~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o
"I absolutely detest it when people quote
themselves." - Me
oo
there was this movie on
old
candles something and someting
it had jimy stewart in it
it was about this woman that was in withcraft and fell in love with
jimy stewart who had his business across the street?
in the description it said that in 1950's there was a surge in witch
craft in new york (my friends cable becuase that cable is too high
class for me)
it was on the same day as in chronicle they had burning man on
chronicle fag nasa blew up a rock
what do you think huff
I'd like to see an old cathedral turned into an Amsterdam (cough cough)
style coffee shop.
>On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:26:21 -0700, Gregory Gadow <tech...@serv.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Robi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>>> Dentist Surgery.
>>
>>Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
>>One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
>>center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
>>the city's premier theater stage.
>
>I would like to see some of them being used as museums of mythology.
>That would have a lovely, somewhat ironic squirt of flavor to it. :-)
The grandest cathedral in St. Petersburg is such a museum so I
understand. We were there a few weeks ago and only had time to
see the outside. Most of the churches we saw there were either museums
or abandoned. Religion is of course freely permitted now (though it
was never banned entirely) but the numbers of worshippers are much
lower than pre-revolution. Since the autocratic authoritatian Orthodox
church worked hand-in-glove with and supported the corrupt Czars it
is hardly any wonder the people rejected them at the Revolution.
GWB should take heed...
...
> "Christians were 34.5 percent of world population in 1900, and will be
> 33.1 percent in 2002."
>
> That's a whopping 1.4 percent drop in a 102 year period. Christianity's
> 2000 year history calls for the long term perspective. There have been
> centuries of growth and others of decline all along the time line, I
> would suspect.
This is basically Argumentum ad Antiquitatem.
If staying power is your criterion then you need to look at Hinduism,
which has a 3500 year history, or Vodun, thought to be some 6000 years
old.
> It's the long haul that makes the important difference.
< chuckle! >
The famous chant of the losing team: "Wait 'til next year!"
Regards,
Josef
Science is the record of dead religions.
-- Oscar Wilde
Not to mention that christianity was first introduced into the Americas,
Africa, and parts of Asia at the point of the sword or the gun by the
Colonial powers.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Great idea! then even I might start going to (cough cough) church again.
>Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>
That's a good point. Most churches are just plain ugly. The really
big ones like in New York are incredible looking but the churches that
dot the landscape of small town america are just plain hideous
looking.
>Robi wrote:
>
>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>> Dentist Surgery.
>
>Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
>One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
>center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
>the city's premier theater stage.
Productive useage. Finally.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
>On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:26:21 -0700, Gregory Gadow <tech...@serv.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Robi wrote:
>>
>>> I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>>> really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>>> some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>>> Dentist Surgery.
>
>I have passed this particular church several times but never even
>noticed it. They usually have banners outside with silly messages,
>the funniest of course being "Jesus Saves".
Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina shows 'Jesus' is the problem not the
solution.
>The grandest Weslyan
>chapel in Pudsey was closed long ago and has become part of quaint
>little shopping centre around some old lanes and squares.
>
>>Throughout Europe, many former churches have been turned to secular use.
>>One large medieval church in Edinburgh has become the city's fine arts
>>center, for example, and a fine gothic church in Amsterdam now serve as
>>the city's premier theater stage.
>
>It's a particular problem in York which has a fine legacy of medieval
>churches within the walls in addition to the Minster nearly all of
>them redundant, Together York has the largest collection of medieval
>stained glass in Europe. One of the finest churches has been superbly
>converted into the museum of York,with a platform to see one of the
>larger windows, whilst another is displayed as a museum or ancient
>building in its own right.
>
>Between Bradford and Cleckheaton a former classically designed
>church now claims to be the largest Indian restaurant in the world.
>So instead of being a place of misery it is now a place of pleasure
>:-)
Internet Cafe`-Geek Pleasure Palace. ;)
That suggests GWB has anything more than a brain stem.
They can ring the church bell for
'first call.' :)
>In article <xoSdnSrlnJB...@centurytel.net>,
> "towelie" <bugoN...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Robi" <robi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1124972628.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > I'm ambivilant about losing these buildings though. Some of them are
>> > really superb. You'd think there would be some kind of secular use for
>> > some of them. I seem to remember one in Mid-Wales being used as a
>> > Dentist Surgery.
>>
>> I'd like to see an old cathedral turned into an Amsterdam (cough cough)
>> style coffee shop.
>
>Great idea! then even I might start going to (cough cough) church again.
Don't get busted for eating brownies. Make sure you put on your Dog
Collar of Protection®. ;)
>
>
>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>> Pudsey Baptist church (Leeds) has announced it is to close
>> after 158 years. According to the Pudsey Times they can
>> no longer afford to maintain the building.
>>
>> A spokeswoman said:
>> "The roof was leaking and the damp was a major problem.
>> Because we are such a small congregation with few young
>> people, this was not enough to make a loan viable.."
>> Most of the congregation are in their 70's and 80's.
>>
>> They are hoping the building will be turned into flats
>> rather like former the grand methodist church at the bottom
>> of Leeds Rd. in Bradford. A listed building, this place
>> was abandoned years ago and subsequent to a
>> fire was hardly more than a shell.
>>
>> Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>> once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>
>In your dreams, my friend. The most significant fact about the Church
>is not that it is subject to decline and decay like all things of this
>world, but rather its resurrection from apparent demise. E.g., the
>Church in Russia and other atheist dominated countries as a contemporary
>case in point. Perhaps you haven't heard of the spread of Christianity
>in Africa and South America as well.
Flies buzzing around shit, that's folks like you, Denny.
Already done and is institutionalized. There's zero morality in
supporting a institution which has eternal torture.
>Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
You lucky limeys, you! Would that this could hapen Stateside. <Sigh>
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Now THAT's what I call a church! I'd never tear myself away from services.
I've just been checking out the order of service (beer menu).
I never before in my life wished I lived anywhere else but here, but I'm
beginning to think Pittsburgh is looking rather nice :o)
--
The Bible
If you're going to write a good bit of fantasy fiction, at least put some
goblins or trolls in it, you dumb cunts. Given the choice between this
bollocks and the Lord of the Rings, which one do you think we're going to
go for? The Bible with its bunch of bearded nomad hippies talking shite, or
something with fucking battles and dragons?
And I think you're forgetting the first page, which should read: 'All
characters in this book are fictitious and any resemblance to any real
persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental'.
I liked the bit when God and Jesus have a lightsaber duel on a bridge
though.
Quote from Cunts Corner "http://www.holymoly.co.uk/cc/index.php?alpha=t"
In my part of England (yorkshire) they mostly become second-hand furniture
shops or carpet warehouse outlets. There's one just down the road that's
becoming flats, and another was turned into a pet shop.
>"skyeyes" <sky...@dakotacom.net> scrivened in
>news:1125441462.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>>>Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>>>once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>>
>> You lucky limeys, you! Would that this could hapen Stateside. <Sigh>
>>
>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>>
>>
>
>In my part of England (yorkshire) they mostly become second-hand furniture
>shops or carpet warehouse outlets. There's one just down the road that's
>becoming flats, and another was turned into a pet shop.
They've been watching "The Goodies"!
>stoney <sto...@the.net> scrivened in
>news:3ln9h1d6ni7pvgne8...@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.churchbrew.com/
>
>Now THAT's what I call a church!
Heh. "Heavenly Brew!"
>I'd never tear myself away from services.
>I've just been checking out the order of service (beer menu).
>I never before in my life wished I lived anywhere else but here, but I'm
>beginning to think Pittsburgh is looking rather nice :o)
Lots of cheap real estate there banks foreclosed on and can't get rid
of.
>stoney <sto...@the.net> scrivened in
>news:3ln9h1d6ni7pvgne8...@4ax.com:
>
>> http://www.churchbrew.com/
>
>Now THAT's what I call a church! I'd never tear myself away from services.
>I've just been checking out the order of service (beer menu).
>I never before in my life wished I lived anywhere else but here, but I'm
>beginning to think Pittsburgh is looking rather nice :o)
Oh, yeah, almost forgot.
Fake advert from:
The Official Yooperland (Michigan's Upper Penninsula) Calendar 2005
"DA YOOPERS MOOSE RUT BEER"
Brewed in Yooperland, U.S.A.
* Brewed from da U.P.'s finest moose nuggets
* Cold-filtered through Gravel Gertie's panyhose
* Aged in the gas tanks of old rusty Chevrolets
* Taste tested by the experts at Woody's Bar.
/end
Oh, I used to LOVE The Goodies!
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:41:12 GMT, "Muad D'ib" <atre...@arrakis.com>
> wrote:
>
>>stoney <sto...@the.net> scrivened in
>>news:3ln9h1d6ni7pvgne8...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> http://www.churchbrew.com/
>>
>>Now THAT's what I call a church!
>
> Heh. "Heavenly Brew!"
>
>>I'd never tear myself away from services.
>>I've just been checking out the order of service (beer menu).
>>I never before in my life wished I lived anywhere else but here, but I'm
>>beginning to think Pittsburgh is looking rather nice :o)
>
> Lots of cheap real estate there banks foreclosed on and can't get rid
> of.
>
>
Just the slight problem of several thousand miles of intercontinental
relocation there. The church pub reminds me a little of my local here in
Blighty, apart from it being several orders of magnitude larger (lager?
lol)
Oh well,never mind!
>Michael Gray <fle...@newsguy.spam.com> scrivened in
>news:fotdh1lngnriin9sa...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:43:54 GMT, "Muad D'ib" <atre...@arrakis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"skyeyes" <sky...@dakotacom.net> scrivened in
>>>news:1125441462.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> Les Hellawell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Soon all these decaying and rotton religious remnants of a
>>>>>once superstitious age will be gone and good riddance too.
>>>>
>>>> You lucky limeys, you! Would that this could hapen Stateside.
>>>> <Sigh>
>>>>
>>>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>>>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>In my part of England (yorkshire) they mostly become second-hand
>>>furniture shops or carpet warehouse outlets. There's one just down the
>>>road that's becoming flats, and another was turned into a pet shop.
>>
>> They've been watching "The Goodies"!
>>
>
>Oh, I used to LOVE The Goodies!
I know this is off topic, but pretty soon**
I'll resume posting resurrected Goodies episodes to
alt.binaries.multimedia.comedy.british
in case you want to see any of them.
I have (almost) every episode.
** Definition of "soon" varies according to my enthusiasm, and how
much real work I have to avoid.
>stoney <sto...@the.net> scrivened in
>news:h32fh1l56l48i1097...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:41:12 GMT, "Muad D'ib" <atre...@arrakis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>stoney <sto...@the.net> scrivened in
>>>news:3ln9h1d6ni7pvgne8...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> http://www.churchbrew.com/
>>>
>>>Now THAT's what I call a church!
>>
>> Heh. "Heavenly Brew!"
>>
>>>I'd never tear myself away from services.
>>>I've just been checking out the order of service (beer menu).
>>>I never before in my life wished I lived anywhere else but here, but I'm
>>>beginning to think Pittsburgh is looking rather nice :o)
>>
>> Lots of cheap real estate there banks foreclosed on and can't get rid
>> of.
>Just the slight problem of several thousand miles of intercontinental
>relocation there. The church pub reminds me a little of my local here in
>Blighty, apart from it being several orders of magnitude larger (lager?
>lol)
Heh. Errr....build a raft? ;)
>Oh well, never mind!
No worries.