The Knowledge of God is Innate - 01

[Calvin Ramsey]

All men have some knowledge of God. That is, they have the conviction
that there is a Being on whom they are dependent, and to whom they are
responsible. What is the source of this conviction? In other words, what
is the origin of the idea of God?


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Predestination
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Verses Concerning Predestination
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Hall of Church History
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Fire and Ice: Puritan and Reformed Writings
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[Devils Advocaat]

On 18 June, 03:00, Calvin Ramsey <calvinram...@live.com> wrote:
> All men have some knowledge of God. That is, they have the conviction
> that there is a Being on whom they are dependent, and to whom they are
> responsible. What is the source of this conviction? In other words, what
> is the origin of the idea of God?

If this knowledge is innate as you claim, why would it only be "some"
knowledge and not "all"?

Why would so many have widely differing knowledge to the point that
there have been thousands of different groups following thousands of
different gods?

Why would these groups end up, all too often, in bloody conflict,
which on occasion has led to genocide?

>
> For those of you with an interest in learning about Augustinianism
> and Predestination as well as other fascinating topics, you will find
> lots of articles to read or listen to on your mp3 player, while at home
> or at work, from these websites:
>

>    *See especially* :  The Fundamental Principle of Calvinismhttp://www.the-highway.com/Calvinism_Meeter.html

>
> Classic Articles and Resources of the Historic Christian Faithhttp://monergism.com/
>
> Monergism MP3http://monergism.com/mp3/
>

> Monergism vs. Synergismhttp://monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/whatismonergism2.html

>
> What is Predestination and Election?http://carm.org/predestination-and-election
>
> Predestinationhttp://calvinistcorner.com/predestination.htm
>
> Predestinationhttp://the-highway.com/predestination_index.html
>

> Verses Concerning Predestinationhttp://albatrus.org/english/theology/predestination/verses_concerning...
>
> Christian Classics Ethereal Libraryhttp://ccel.org/
>
> Calvinismhttp://reformed.org/calvinism/
>
> Calvinism and the Reformed Faithhttp://the-highway.com/calvinism.html

>
> The Reformed Reader - Committed to Historic Baptist Beliefshttp://reformedreader.org/
>

> Hall of Church Historyhttp://spurgeon.org/~phil/hall.htm

[Catpain 'Merca]

Serial liar and netk0ok in training Calvin Ramsey aka Mathias Sereno
<calvin...@live.com> grabbed a fix in
news:kpofep$71e$1...@dont-email.me:

>
<ugly theomasturbations snipped>

Calvin, you've become a cautionary tale for anyone indulging in theistic
"thinking". You can't stop posting, and it's now just a question of
watching you slide deeper and deeper into the mess that you have created
for yourself. You're already itching for your next fix.

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Tsk tsk tsk, and we thought that Calvin was simply a naive dullard.

Catpain 'Merca
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[Malcolm McMahon]

On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 03:00:04 UTC+1, Calvin Ramsey wrote:
> All men have some knowledge of God. That is, they have the conviction
>
> that there is a Being on whom they are dependent, and to whom they are
>
> responsible. What is the source of this conviction? In other words, what
>
> is the origin of the idea of God?

It originates in the way the human brain has evolved. Like all products of evolution it's full of compromises and features that have been re-tasked.

One of the most notable features of the intuitive "System 1" part of the human mind is it's innate tendency to ascribe conscious agency to events that have none.

[raven1]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:00:04 -0400, Calvin Ramsey
<calvin...@live.com> wrote:

>All men have some knowledge of God. That is, they have the conviction
>that there is a Being on whom they are dependent, and to whom they are
>responsible.

I call bullshit. I have no such conviction, nor do any of my atheist
friends. If you don't have the balls to be a grown-up, that's fine and
dandy, but don't project your perpetual childishness onto anyone else.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[%]

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 14:26:06 UTC+1, % wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>

We know. He it's one of his standard lectures. The question is, why are you re-posting it. We've long given up looking for a rational reason why he posts exactly the same thing every couple of days.

[alen]

There is an innate knowledge of God, but not in the
intellect. I would therefore call it a 'contact' with God,
rather than intellectual knowledge. You can contact
God only at the fount or source of your life, which is
in the heart, particularly the seat of love in the heart,
and not in the intellect. This contact does not intrude
into the free will, and has to be actually sought by the
free will, after which it can become evidence for God's
existence for the individual person, which, of course,
cannot be made public evidence for everyone. Which
is the true communication (revelation) of God to
humanity in general is something individuals have to
find for themselves.

(Don't bother trying to suppose that individual evidence
is ALWAYS just an individual fantasy. That itself is
just a fantasised assumption, since you cannot make
a generalisation about what you cannot see)

Alen

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/18/2013 11:25 AM, alen wrote:

> There is an innate knowledge of God, but not in the
> intellect. I would therefore call it a 'contact' with God,
> rather than intellectual knowledge. You can contact
> God only at the fount or source of your life, which is
> in the heart, particularly the seat of love in the heart,
> and not in the intellect. This contact does not intrude
> into the free will, and has to be actually sought by the
> free will, after which it can become evidence for God's
> existence for the individual person, which, of course,
> cannot be made public evidence for everyone. Which
> is the true communication (revelation) of God to
> humanity in general is something individuals have to
> find for themselves.
>
> (Don't bother trying to suppose that individual evidence
> is ALWAYS just an individual fantasy. That itself is
> just a fantasised assumption, since you cannot make
> a generalisation about what you cannot see)
>
> Alen
>

Well said.

+5

[Devils Advocaat]

This fails to answer my questions, but it raises another.

Why the heck do so many theists stick their noses in where they're not
wanted?

[Troll Stamp]

Calvin Ramsey <calvin...@live.com> wrote in news:kpq1d9$ea$2
@speranza.aioe.org:

Poor Troll

-11

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[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/18/2013 2:36 PM, Troll Stamp wrote:
> Calvin Ramsey<calvin...@live.com> wrote in news:kpq1d9$ea$2
> @speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> On 6/18/2013 11:25 AM, alen wrote:
>>
>>> There is an innate knowledge of God, but not in the intellect. I
>>> would therefore call it a 'contact' with God, rather than
>>> intellectual knowledge. You can contact God only at the fount or
>>> source of your life, which is in the heart, particularly the seat
>>> of love in the heart, and not in the intellect. This contact does
>>> not intrude into the free will, and has to be actually sought by
>>> the free will, after which it can become evidence for God's
>>> existence for the individual person, which, of course, cannot be
>>> made public evidence for everyone. Which is the true
>>> communication (revelation) of God to humanity in general is
>>> something individuals have to find for themselves.
>>>
>>> (Don't bother trying to suppose that individual evidence is
>>> ALWAYS just an individual fantasy. That itself is just a
>>> fantasised assumption, since you cannot make a generalisation
>>> about what you cannot see)
>>>
>>> Alen
>>>
>>
>> Well said.
>>
>> +5
>>
>>
>
> Poor Troll
>
> -11
>

It's an honor to labeled as a "Troll" on a God-less newsgroup populated
by the wicked who suppress that innate knowledge of God.

Because we're polar opposites that -11 just became a +11.

Thanks for the compliment.

<smirk>

[raven1]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Devils Advocaat
<sba...@gmail.com> wrote:

>This fails to answer my questions, but it raises another.
>
>Why the heck do so many theists stick their noses in where they're not
>wanted?

Most theists, in my real life experience, are pretty reasonable folks,
who live and let live. That said, I live in New York, where bringing
up religion at all without being asked would typically be met with
stares of amazement at the rudeness of the person who did so. I
understand that things are a bit different the farther south from me
one travels.

That said, most of the theists who post here are so fucking batshit
crazy, and so invincibly ignorant, that Michelle Bachman and Pat
Robertson would likely disavow any connection to them, and that is
saying quite a lot. It takes a special breed of stupidity^H^H^H^H
innocence (akin to that of a five-year-old trying to convince a
grown-up that Santa is real) to think they can ever accomplish
anything here besides wasting everyone's time.

[%]

i know and isn't it great and there's nothing you can do about it

[raven1]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:27:39 -0400, Calvin Ramsey
<calvin...@live.com> wrote:

>It's an honor to labeled as a "Troll"

No, it really isn't, Cal. Even if you were right, it would make you a
dick.

You're welcome.

<bitch slap>

[%]

cal is right so you're a boner

[Don Martin]

You just did. What gives you the right to forbid it to others?

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[Catpain 'Merca]

raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in
news:f8h1s8todl83b0phs...@4ax.com:

Curious, looking at the headers, it seems Cramsey has just told us he uses
aioe _and_ eternal-september.

Catpain Merca
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[nature bats last]

On Monday, June 17, 2013 7:00:04 PM UTC-7, Calvin Ramsey wrote:
> All men have some knowledge of God.

Tell the Piraha

NBL

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/18/2013 10:19 PM, nature bats last wrote:

> Calvin Ramsey wrote:

>> All men have some knowledge of God.
>
>
> Tell the Piraha

That's good. All nice and buttoned-up. Guarded and restrained. Avoiding
being decisive, you remain equivocal and obscure. Definitely not
willing to make a commitment that would establish a standpoint, or, God
forbid, a belief.

You are the quintessential Natheist. The Poster Boy of Natheism.

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:25:36 UTC+1, alen wrote:

>
> There is an innate knowledge of God, but not in the
>
> intellect. I would therefore call it a 'contact' with God,
>
> rather than intellectual knowledge. You can contact
>
> God only at the fount or source of your life, which is
>
> in the heart, particularly the seat of love in the heart,
>

Erm.. most people these days know that the heart is a sophisticated pump.

But yes, it's not intellectual. It's what students of the mind call "System 1" thinking, as opposed to effortfull, deliberative thinking which is called "System 2".

System 1 is fast, effortless and very approximate. It's not interested in truth, but in survival.

It's the way animals think.

[Seth lePod]

;

> > Tell the Piraha


;
> That's good. All nice and buttoned-up. Guarded and restrained. Avoiding
> being decisive, you remain equivocal and obscure. Definitely not
> willing to make a commitment that would establish a standpoint, or, God
> forbid, a belief.

Actually, lil' pup, given that decade-old
anthropological and linguistic findings about the
Piraha stand in direct contradiction to your
unsubstantiated, cause-the-Bible-tells-me-so "All men
have have some knowledge of God", then I say that my
response was clearly committal.

But since you find this somehow "obscure" (do you ever
read anything not to do with your religious mania?
seriously?) then let me be less "opaque": the Piraha
(to pick just a single, rather famous example) do not.

And thus you're wrong.

Decisive enough for you?

Good.


Bye now.


Seth

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/19/2013 11:09 PM, Seth lePod wrote:
> On Jun 19, 9:19 am, Calvin Ramsey <calvinram...@live.com> wrote:
>> On 6/18/2013 10:19 PM, nature bats last wrote:
>>
>>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>>> All men have some knowledge of God.
>>
>>> Tell the Piraha
>>
>> That's good. All nice and buttoned-up. Guarded and restrained.
>> Avoiding being decisive, you remain equivocal and obscure.
>> Definitely not willing to make a commitment that would establish a
>> standpoint, or, God forbid, a belief.
>>
>> You are the quintessential Natheist. The Poster Boy of Natheism.
>
> ;
>>> Tell the Piraha
>
>
> ;
>> That's good. All nice and buttoned-up. Guarded and restrained.
>> Avoiding being decisive, you remain equivocal and obscure.
>> Definitely not willing to make a commitment that would establish a
>> standpoint, or, God forbid, a belief.
>

> Actually, given that [snip]

Don't worry about it. I really wasn't expecting you to "get it" anyway.

So, I guess I can assume then that "Seth lePod" and "nature bats last"
are two nyms from one and the same person. I'm just wondering, which
one is the sockpuppet? Or, maybe you're both sockpuppets of the same
unnamed puppet-master? Now it's getting interesting, yes?

But, here again, none of that matters. The only place I was wrong was
expecting any of you to understand what the word "innate" means. I'll
give you a hint. It doesn't have anything at all to do with the words
"extrinsic, acquired, or learned".

Good luck. You're going to need it.

<smirk>

[raven1]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:14:43 -0400, Calvin Ramsey
<calvin...@live.com> wrote:

>
>So, I guess I can assume then that "Seth lePod" and "nature bats last"
>are two nyms from one and the same person. I'm just wondering, which
>one is the sockpuppet?

Good question, Calvin/Mathias...

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <dis5s89ujpsua1i22...@4ax.com>,

<piggybacking>

More evidence that Calvin's a total moron--he can't tell the difference
between 2 highly intelligent posters.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/20/2013 5:07 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> More evidence that Calvin's a total moron--he can't tell the difference
> between 2 highly intelligent posters.

When one (or more) Natheists with, evidently, no concept of what the word
"innate" means, nor how to apply that definition to acquire the full meaning
of a sentence, I find it most interesting and rather dubious of you that you
would consider them to be "highly intelligent".

I guess that tells me all I need to know about you, on a personal level.

<smirk>

[Father Haskell]

That means Calvin can STFU.

[Calvin Ramsey]

On 6/21/2013 2:08 AM, Father Haskell wrote:
> That means Calvin can STFU.
>

No it doesn't.

It means that you should learn how to use Message Filters.

Which begs the question: Why do you read what I post if you don't like it?

That's kind of weird, dude.

[Les]

Yes I can see just how intelligent she is too and also see her skill
at making friends and influencing people.

><smirk>

Only jerks smirk


--
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County

"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "

- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010

[giumbyca...@gmail.com]

The idea of god was born out of man's ignorance.

The con-man of the past realized that they could use the simple man's ignorance and fears to gain power over them. So they invented gods that were angry and needed appeasing.
Over time the con-men evolved the idea into sects and evolved into religions.
They experimented and found all sorts of ways to fool people into believing their lies. That is why there have been so many religions in the history of humanity. The con-men became priests, saints, son of gods, gods, etc. assuming the role that allowed them more power over the masses of ignorant people.

Even now the world is full of con-men. They may even think of themselves as intelligent, clever, shrewd, cunning, etc. They may get foolish people to give them money and live without having to work, some may become rich. But they are just liars. What is the worth of their life? When they reach the end of their life, what have they achieved? Only spreading lies, and stealing from fools. Is that a life worth living?

As far as humanity is concerned, con-men are a cancer and a pestilence. Con-men are just parasites wasting precious energies that could be used for the progress of humanity instead.
It would be in the interests of humanity to extirpate the con-men from society.

[raven1]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 01:10:13 -0400, Calvin Ramsey
<calvin...@live.com> wrote:

>On 6/20/2013 5:07 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>> More evidence that Calvin's a total moron--he can't tell the difference
>> between 2 highly intelligent posters.
>
>When one (or more) Natheists with, evidently, no concept of what the word
>"innate" means

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it
means."

[Malcolm McMahon]

On Friday, 21 June 2013 06:10:13 UTC+1, Calvin Ramsey wrote:
> On 6/20/2013 5:07 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>
>
> > More evidence that Calvin's a total moron--he can't tell the difference
>
> > between 2 highly intelligent posters.
>
>
>
> When one (or more) Natheists with, evidently, no concept of what the word
>
> "innate" means, nor how to apply that definition to acquire the full meaning
>
> of a sentence, I find it most interesting and rather dubious of you that you
>
> would consider them to be "highly intelligent".
>
>

"When I use a word." Said Humpty Dumpty, "It means exactly what I intend it to mean, nothing more and nothing less."

[Dreamer In Colore]

Inconceivable.

[Les]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 03:19:11 -0400, Calvin Ramsey
<calvin...@live.com> wrote:

>On 6/21/2013 2:08 AM, Father Haskell wrote:
>> That means Calvin can STFU.
>>
>
>No it doesn't.
>
>It means that you should learn how to use Message Filters.

I am sure he will be keen for you to killfie him as that will
one less person questioning his many assertions and
religious claims leaving him freer to carry on unchallenged
when what he needs is more not less challengers

We did not drag the right to free speech from the relgious
for nothing and without cost and we should exercise that
free speech not had it back to them.

>Which begs the question: Why do you read what I post if you don't like it?
>
>That's kind of weird, dude.

We all have to do things we do not like doing from time to
time. Reading and responding Ramsey's your tripe is one such service
to truth and our community.

Everything he says will and should be be scrutinised
and then challenged as appropriate. The religious must
learn that they can no longer assert their wannahave truths
unquestioned any more and expect silent obedience
in responce.

He may attempt to bully belittle and intimidate people
into silence and of course encourage the killfile so
he is free to assert away unchallenged but we are
getting wise to his tricks and should not be put off.

Everytime he tries to bully somebody, everytime he
tries to intimidate people and everytime he tries to
belittle them into silence or tangle them up in
acusations of lies and 'you seem to be saying's he
shows just what sort of person he is and how shallow
and false what he advocates is