WHICH IS REAL GOD?
Bill M
Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
are fakes?
What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
and false claims?
If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
authenticity
from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
Here are over one thousand God beliefs;
Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Catholics
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism
Gods:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
boxedin
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> are fakes?
Most people believe the religion of their parents. It's the way they
were brought up. If a group of parents placed a block of wood on the
table and told their children that it was God and that because of it
they are enjoying the lifestyle that they do, the children would grow
up believing it and another religion would be born. Then we'd have even
another group: Atheism vs the Block of Wood.
At the same time, if these people were told that they were wrong and
the real God is this mysterious 3 in 1 Godhead who lives in the sky
and, if you don't do what he says, will send you to hell where you will
burn forever without end, they would probably laugh and say, "You've
got to be kidding! My block of wood makes a lot more sense than that.
And look, it's real too."
Conspiracy of Doves
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>
> are fakes?
>
>
>
> What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
>
> that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
>
> and false claims?
>
>
>
> If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
> authenticity
>
> from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
>
>
>
> Here are over one thousand God beliefs;
>
>
<snip extensive list>
In the Babylon 5 episode "The Parliament of Dreams" the station was
hosting a festival celebrating religious diversity and each alien race
had to give some kind of demonstration of their planet's major
religion. When it was the humans' turn at the end of the episode, the
Captain brought the ambassadors into a room where he introduced a man
and announced him to be a Roman Catholic. He then introduced the next
man and told the ambassadors that he was an Atheist. The next man was a
Zen Buddhist. The camera pulls back and we see that the the line
continues for dozens and dozens more people, and continues pulling past
them as it fades to black.
By the way, the creator of Babylon 5, J.M. Straczynski, is an atheist.
Surfer
wrote:
>
>Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>are fakes?
>
I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
that makes me a Pantheist.
There are different kinds of Pantheism. Eg.
The Universal Pantheist Society
http://www.pantheist.net/
The World Pantheist Movement
http://www.pantheism.net/
Some Christians have similar views. Eg
Does the Universe Care?
Brother William SSF
http://www.sof-in-australia.org/doestheu.htm
The Confluence of Religions
Teilhard de Chardin
http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/apr1970/v27-1-article5.htm
Recovering Christian Pantheism as the Lost Gospel of Creation
http://www.christianecology.org/ConsiderLillies.html
A Christian Derivation of Pantheism
http://www.pantheist.net/society/fader.html
Christianity and Pantheism
http://www.pantheist.net/society/christianity_and_pan_fox.html
A Call for a New Reformation
John S. Spong
http://www.dioceseofnewark.org/jsspong/reform.html
A Theology of Joy: God in Process Thought
http://www.christianecology.org/TheologyJoy.html
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>
> are fakes?
>
they are all wrong. If you can't then,
we can find out which One is true.
Jim
Ps 34:8 - O taste and see that the LORD is good:
blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Uncle Vic
made the light shine upon us with this:
>>
>>Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>are fakes?
>>
> I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
Most people are afraid of being alone in the universe. So they believe in
all sorts of nonsensical things out of a sheer need to beleve in something
- anything.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
Uncle Vic
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
That's a lot of work. Let's just start with the one you think is true.
By the scripture I snipped, it seems to be the Abrahamic god, Yahweh.
Yahweh created the universe - he is all-powerful.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
- John 3:16
Yaweh is therefore both all-powerful and all-loving.
Would you agree there is evil in the world? Regardless of free will, an
all-powerful god could stop evil. And an all-loving god would want to.
Therefore, Yahweh, as defined in the bible (His word) does not exist.
Good enough for me.
Bill M
<jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1163193881.0...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bill M wrote:
>> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
>
> Jim
Your logic is pathic. If you can't prove something does not exist it must
exist!?
I can't prove Santa Claus does not exist. Does that mean he is real???
ca...@optonline.net
>
>Bill M wrote:
>> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
of the others.
Al Klein
>On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> You are the one who needs to prove
>> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
>> we can find out which One is true.
>Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
>of the others.
Oh, but there is. The Abrahamic god, as Uncle Vic points out, CAN'T
exist. Some gods aren't defined as impossible, so the impossible ones
should be treated differently - they should be eliminated from
consideration immediately.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
Lucifer
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Bill M wrote:
> > Here is a challenge for God believers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >
> > are fakes?
> >
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
Then, by the exact same logic, you have to prove you don't ower me the
rights to your money, beer, and wife.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Ps 34:8 - O taste and see that the LORD is good:
> blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
>
>
> >
> >
> > What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
> >
> > that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
> >
> > and false claims?
> >
> >
> >
<long list snipped>
Lucifer
Midwinter wrote:
> Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>
> > I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
> >
> > Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
> > that makes me a Pantheist.
>
> rather similar to mine - and apparently mine doesn't qualify as a 'proper
> religion'. So I was told in a similar thread to this some months ago, in
> any case. Because to me (and I assume to you) the state of 'divinity' is
> something I perceive in and attribute to something that has a rock-solid,
> demonstrable existence, we seem to cause a little annoyance for some here.
>
> Bill here regularly posts this and similar demands, lumping together all
> the possible forms of religion he can think of, and demanding proof from
> all of them. He repeatedly posts his admittedly impressive list of gods
> and goddesses - then demands that 'He' 'smite' the others from 'His'
> 'Heaven'... I'm sure Aphrodite, for example, would be quite likely to
> reach down from 'his' 'Heaven' and do some smiting. It'd be perfectly
> consistent behaviour for a goddess of love, after all.
Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> And despite numerous almost identical conversations going over the same
> ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what he's
> really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Al Klein wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> >> You are the one who needs to prove
> >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> >> we can find out which One is true.
>
> >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> >of the others.
>
> Oh, but there is. The Abrahamic god, as Uncle Vic points out, CAN'T
> exist. Some gods aren't defined as impossible, so the impossible ones
> should be treated differently - they should be eliminated from
> consideration immediately.
> --
Assertion that must be proven noted.
Jim
Show me the bones and I am out of here!
A few years ago the bones of Caiaphas
the high priest were found,
but none
of Jesus since He is risen. He is risen, indeed!
Bibical Archaeology Review, September/October 1992,p 38-44,76
PETER
You confess that you don't know which is the real God,given so many
false religion;and at the same time,you feel that the Christian belief
is wrong.
So you have eliminated one,then now go and eliminate another one till
you come to the one which you will find reasonable?
Uncle Vic
(midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
> "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
>> greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
>
> Well, possibly not, admittedly. But I maintain she'd draw the line at
> being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
>
That's true, but who needs to be convinced that Zeus doesn't exist?
bob young
PETER wrote:
> you are surely dumb.
there none more dumb than religionists:
[Preface]
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
Here are just a few of our 'known' gods:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,
Abalim[Judaic] Abba Amona[Judaic] Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic]
Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Baal[Judaic]
Baal-Karmelos[Judaic]
Bat Kol[Judaic] Beelzebub(Beelzebul Baalzebub)[Judaic]
Belial(Beliar)[Judaic]iBethel[ Syrian]
Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu Chashmal[Judaic]
Chayyot[Judaic Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Dagon[Judaic]
Demiurge(Demiourgos Demogorgon)[Judaic]
Demons[Judaic] Devekut[Judaic] Dever[Judaic] Dumiel[Judaic]
Dybbuk[Judaic] Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu, Ereshkigal,
El(El 'Elyon)[Judaic] Elim[Judaic]
Elohim[Judaic] Elom[Judaic Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades,
Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Golem[Judaic] Ha-Shem[Judaic Hermes,
Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, ] Ibbur
Elim[Judaic]
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Kefitzat ha-Derekh[Judaic]
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Lilith[Judaic]
Lotan[Judaic] Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan
Makon[Judaic]
Mammon[Judaic] Mastema[Judaic]
Mazikeen[Judaic] Mazzikin[Judaic]
Memra[Judaic/Aramaic] Metatron[Judaic]
Moloch[Judaic, Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys,
Nechushtan[Judaic]Nibhaz[Judaic]
Neptune, Nerthus. Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Obizoth[Judaic]
Ofanim(Ophanim Galgallim)[Judaic]
Oniel Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Padkaras[Judaic]
Piznai[Judaic]
Potah[Judaic]
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Ras
Tafari Ragshiel[Judaic]
Rahav[Judaic]
Reshef[Judaic](Plague)
Saturn, Set, Satan[Judaic](
Shabbat Hamalka[Judaic]
Shekhina[Judaic](Shekina Shechina)Judaism
Sophia[Judaic](Hakhma Chochma)
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw,
Tanin'iver[Judaic](Blinddragon)
Tannin[Judaic]
Tarshishim[Judaic]
Terafim(Teraphim)[Judaic]
Tzadikiel[Judaic]
Tzakadhazy[Judaic]
Tzelanit[Judaic]
Tzeruf[Judaic]
Tzohar[Judaic]
Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
[Judaic]
Watcher[Judaic]Yhwh[yahweh][Judaic]
Yeddeoni[Judaic]
Yekum[Judaic]Yohani bat Retiviv[Judaic]
Zadkiel[Judaic]I
Zar[Judaic
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Locana [?]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
We-to [Divine General]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
SIBERIAN GODS
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
>
>
Olrik
Uncle Vic wrote:
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Midwinter
> (midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
>
> > "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
> >> greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
> >
> > Well, possibly not, admittedly. But I maintain she'd draw the line at
> > being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> > Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
> >
>
> That's true, but who needs to be convinced that Zeus doesn't exist?
I've asked xians numerous times how they dispoved Zeus or Thor. I, of
course, never got an answer.
Olrik
bob young
Midwinter wrote:
> Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>
> > I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
> >
> > Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
> > that makes me a Pantheist.
>
> I'm told such beliefs "don't count". Apparently. You describe a position
> rather similar to mine - and apparently mine doesn't qualify as a 'proper
> religion'. So I was told in a similar thread to this some months ago, in
> any case. Because to me (and I assume to you) the state of 'divinity' is
> something I perceive in and attribute to something that has a rock-solid,
> demonstrable existence, we seem to cause a little annoyance for some here.
>
> Bill here regularly posts this and similar demands, lumping together all
> the possible forms of religion he can think of, and demanding proof from
> all of them. He repeatedly posts his admittedly impressive list of gods
> and goddesses - then demands that 'He' 'smite' the others from 'His'
> 'Heaven'... I'm sure Aphrodite, for example, would be quite likely to
> reach down from 'his' 'Heaven' and do some smiting. It'd be perfectly
> consistent behaviour for a goddess of love, after all.
>
> And despite numerous almost identical conversations going over the same
> ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what he's
> really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
OK point made. Now go ahead and prove it
I suppose it never occurs to you that had you the misfortune to have been
orphaned at age two and then been put up for adoption. And had you been
adopted by a Hindu family, you would now be praying to a god that has the
body of a woman and the head of an elephant
bob young
Uncle Vic wrote:
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (jwshe...@satx.rr.com)
> made the light shine upon us with this:
>
> >> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >>
> >> are fakes?
> >>
> > You are the one who needs to prove
> > they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > we can find out which One is true.
>
> That's a lot of work. Let's just start with the one you think is true.
> By the scripture I snipped, it seems to be the Abrahamic god, Yahweh.
>
> Yahweh created the universe - he is all-powerful.
>
> "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
> whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
> - John 3:16
>
> Yaweh is therefore both all-powerful and all-loving.
>
> Would you agree there is evil in the world? Regardless of free will, an
> all-powerful god could stop evil. And an all-loving god would want to.
> Therefore, Yahweh, as defined in the bible (His word) does not exist.
>
> Good enough for me.
And me. Nice post.
Olrik
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Al Klein wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
> >
> > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > >> You are the one who needs to prove
> > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > >> we can find out which One is true.
> >
> > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> > >of the others.
> >
> Failure to disprove any noted.
Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
Olrik
bob young
Bill M wrote:
> <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1163193881.0...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Bill M wrote:
> >> Here is a challenge for God believers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >>
> >> are fakes?
> >>
> > You are the one who needs to prove
> > they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > we can find out which One is true.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Your logic is pathic. If you can't prove something does not exist it must
> exist!?
>
> I can't prove Santa Claus does not exist. Does that mean he is real???
People do some pretty stupid things
when they get their backs to the wall
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
That would include me...
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> are fakes?
I don't.
Surprise?
For some readers it will be one I trust.
Of course my faith is polytheistic to begin with, so... ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Lucifer
Midwinter wrote:
> "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
> > greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
>
> being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
True...that is mostly who he is aiming at, the list is partly to attack
them for being far from unique, tbh, on a.a, we get so many trolls and
spammers coming over with opinions that are not wanted, sometimes
people like to take affirmative action in reply, and, as most of the
shit we get is from xians, most of the reply is directed at them.
ca...@optonline.net
<midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>"Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> True...that is mostly who he is aiming at, the list is partly to attack
>> them for being far from unique, tbh, on a.a, we get so many trolls and
>> spammers coming over with opinions that are not wanted, sometimes
>> people like to take affirmative action in reply, and, as most of the
>> shit we get is from xians, most of the reply is directed at them.
>
>Which would be quite valid, as far as I'm concerned. But the problem is
>that he makes no effort to clarify that his criticism is not directed at
>all the faiths he names - despite the fact that, as I said to Uncle Vic,
>some of those faiths bear very little resemblance to others.
Which is utterly irrelevant. At the only level winch counts in the
real world they are _all_ merely beliefs that nobody would give a toss
about is they weren't imposed where they are neither wanted nor
needed.
Including yours, no matter how seriously you take it. It is only
different/special/etc in the minds of its believers who invalidly try
to apply their inside-the-religion criteria outside it.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Olrik wrote:
> jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > Al Klein wrote:
> > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
> > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > > >> we can find out which One is true.
> > >
> > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> > > >of the others.
> > >
> > Failure to disprove any noted.
>
> Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
>
> Olrik
>
no need to try to find out which one is true,
just as there is no need to find out which
atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
until atheism is proven.
Jim
Lucifer
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Olrik wrote:
> > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > Al Klein wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
> > > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > > > >> we can find out which One is true.
> > > >
> > > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> > > > >of the others.
> > > >
> > > Failure to disprove any noted.
> >
> > Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
> >
> > Olrik
> >
> Until we prove they are all wrong, there is
> no need to try to find out which one is true,
> just as there is no need to find out which
> atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
> Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
> until atheism is proven.
>
> Jim
Bwahahahahahahaha try again fuckwit. They can't all be right, but they
can all be wrong, now, let's mention a few religious hate crimes shall
we...
Inquisition?
Buggering Altar Boys?
Witch Trials?
Stonings?
9/11?
The Fucking Holocaust?
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
>
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Lucifer wrote:
> jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > Olrik wrote:
> > > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > > Al Klein wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
> > > > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > > > > >> we can find out which One is true.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> > > > > >of the others.
> > > > >
> > > > Failure to disprove any noted.
> > >
> > > Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Olrik
> > >
> > Until we prove they are all wrong, there is
> > no need to try to find out which one is true,
> > just as there is no need to find out which
> > atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
> > Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
> > until atheism is proven.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Bwahahahahahahaha try again fuckwit. They can't all be right, but they
> can all be wrong, now,
Are you saying all atheists are wrong?
let's mention a few religious hate crimes shall
> we...
>
I was born and raised in Rhode Island founded
by Roger Williams with religious liberty
for all. Are you against religious freedom?
Jim
Roger Williams, Founder of Rhode Island, Arrived in Boston
February 5, 1631
What is your religion or spiritual belief? In the U.S., we can take it
for granted that people are free to follow any belief they wish.
Elsewhere, this often isn't the case.
During the 17th century, people left England to escape religious
persecution. Many colonists came to America to be able to freely
practice their religions. Roger Williams was a defender of religious
liberty who arrived in Boston on February 5, 1631.
Ordained to the ministry in the Church of England, Williams discovered
Puritanism, a reform movement that developed within the Church of
England, during his first parish duty. He converted. Soon after, he was
asked to be minister in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Leaving behind
the religious intolerance under England's King Charles I, he and his
wife journeyed across the ocean to join the "American Experiment" in
Boston in 1631. At first, Williams just wanted to reform the Church of
England; soon, he sought separation completely.
Many of Williams's parishioners did not agree with his idea to separate
from the Church of England. He then became minister in Salem. There,
his ideas also proved too radical. He went to Plymouth but again fell
into disfavor. Williams insisted that land must be purchased from the
Indians, rather than taken from them forcefully, in order to claim
title to it. He again went to Salem and was eventually put on trial in
1635 for his views. His sentence was banishment. Williams then
purchased land from the Narragansett Indians and established the
settlement of Providence, Rhode Island.
Williams founded the colony of Rhode Island based upon principles of
complete religious toleration, separation of church and state, and
political democracy (values that the U.S. would later be founded upon).
It became a refuge for people persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Anabaptists, Quakers, and Jews settled in Rhode Island. After forming
the first Baptist church in America, Williams left it to seek
spirituality in different ways. He stopped preaching to his friends,
the Indians, when he realized that their form of worship also fell
under his principle of religious freedom. He declared, "forced worship
stinks in God's nostrils." Williams's ideas were radical at the time,
but can you imagine living in a place without religious freedom now?
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/colonial/williams_1
Roger Williams, The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution, for the Cause of
Conscience, Discussed in a Conference Between Truth and Peace. (London,
1644). ...
http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/bdorsey1/41docs/31-wil.html
Uncle Vic
(midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
> Bill's angry about gods and religion, but every time he posts he
> reinforces my impression that what he thinks about when he says
> religion is Christianity.
I do sense some anger in his replies, in a knee-jerk sort of way.
Perhaps that is due to some insecurity on his part. I used to be the
same way, but I learned to walk away from the computer for a while if a
post enraged me, compose myself, and return to present a civil argument.
Christianity is indeed the religion we atheists attack most frequently,
mostly because of the proselytization factor, and the automatic
immorality they project on us simply because we don't believe in their
god(s).
> And yes, I have had this conversation
> before - along with the one where Bill's defenders (he tends to offer
> very few replies to responses to his posts) claim they're only
> attacking religion because members of the religious newsgroups
> crosspost into alt.atheism.
Bill is one of the few atheists posting here these days that starts
threads with the intent to enrage the Christians posting to the Christian
groups. Then he crossposts them to alt.atheism in order to start flame
wars. He is, by definition, a troll in this respect, although his
intention seems to be to make them think about their beliefs, which in
many cases causes people to lose their faith. And he enlists some of us
to help his cause.
I've dubbed him an "Evangelical Atheist", which is far from the attitude
of your mainstream unbeliever. Most of us don't care what others
believe, we only take action when the proselytizers jam their beliefs
into our faces. Bill is one of the few who, like Dawkins or Sam Harris,
are trying to get these accidentally modern humans to face reality in the
light of recent scientific discovery - mostly the discoveries that
fundamentalist Christians refuse to "believe" since they contradict their
religious beliefs.
>
> I note Bill's started yet *another* thread here crossposted into
> religion groups...
Oooo, thanks. I enjoy arguments, until they get nasty...
Olrik
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Olrik wrote:
> > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > Al Klein wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
> > > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> > > > >> we can find out which One is true.
> > > >
> > > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
> > > > >of the others.
> > > >
> > > Failure to disprove any noted.
> >
> > Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
> >
> > Olrik
> >
> Until we prove they are all wrong, there is
> no need to try to find out which one is true,
> just as there is no need to find out which
> atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
> Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
Atheism is not a dogma, nor is it a political system. Atheists do not
believe in a "god" or "gods". That's it. End of story. Tying atheism
with communism is disingenuous, at best.
> until atheism is proven.
That makes no sense at all.
Olrik
bob young
Midwinter wrote:
> bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> And despite numerous almost identical conversations going over the
> >> same ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what
> >> he's really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
> >
> > OK point made. Now go ahead and prove it
>
> I have no need to prove anything. Certainly not the Christian God, in
> whom I don't believe. My intention here was to make the point you
> acknowledge I've made.
>
> > I suppose it never occurs to you that had you the misfortune to have
> > been orphaned at age two and then been put up for adoption. And had
> > you been adopted by a Hindu family, you would now be praying to a god
> > that has the body of a woman and the head of an elephant
>
> And had Generic Radical Muslim Terrorist been orphaned at two years old
> and been brought up by a pagan family, he might not have ended up
> blowing up a crowd of innocent people.
>
> We could play this game all day, if you want, but we still wouldn't
> prove a thing. We neither of us can say what would, might, should have
> happened if any given thing had been different.
Nice 'side step'
Do you do 'The Quick Step' as well !
Pastor Frank
news:1163279337.4...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> General Purpose Igor
> The Anti-Theist
> "Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
doctrine. We are here to glorify, praise and worship. Join us in praising
and worshiping that which is holy and have a life worth living.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Lucifer
I have a life worth living, there is no feeling to compete with that of
stepping down from the stage at the end of a set when the crowd are
still screaming for more...
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
>
Richo
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> are fakes?
Why? Are you looking for something to worship?
If you are then I would steer well away from real gods - they tend to
be real sons-of-bitches* - the imaginary ones can be whateber you need
them to be and they dont ever let you down if you dont expect too much
from them.
Cheers, Mark.
* For example Caligula - real gods tend to be "mad, bad and dangerous
to know".
Pastor Frank
news:1163308542....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> Olrik wrote:
>> > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> > > Al Klein wrote:
>> > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
>> > > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
>> > > > >> we can find out which One is true.
>> > > >
>> > > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than
>> > > > >any
>> > > > >of the others.
>> > > >
>> > > Failure to disprove any noted.
>> >
>> > Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Olrik
>> >
>> Until we prove they are all wrong, there is
>> no need to try to find out which one is true,
>> just as there is no need to find out which
>> atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
>> Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
>
> Atheism is not a dogma, nor is it a political system. Atheists do not
> believe in a "god" or "gods". That's it. End of story. Tying atheism
> with communism is disingenuous, at best.
>
idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
That's because they have no meaning for the word "god", somewhat like Zen
Buddhists.
Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that, disingenuous.
>>
>> until atheism is proven.
>
> That makes no sense at all.
>
I don't believe in gods, whether they exist or not, is a preference for
disbelief needing no evidence.
Richo
Surfer wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:03:40 -0500, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >are fakes?
> >
>
Thats an extremely bad reason to believe nature is God.
In my humble opinion of course.
Dust motes manage the trivial feat of existence - that dosent seem a
very good reason to belive in the divinity of dust motes.
I think deification of anything is universally a bad idea - but if you
insist in believing in a god I would say the very best are the ones
that DO NOT actually exist.
They can't actually let you down - you can merely have over ambitious
expectations of them.
Cheers, Mark.
Bill M
"Midwinter" <midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns9877F17AE2E2...@216.196.109.145...
>> that makes me a Pantheist.
>
> I'm told such beliefs "don't count". Apparently. You describe a position
> rather similar to mine - and apparently mine doesn't qualify as a 'proper
> religion'. So I was told in a similar thread to this some months ago, in
> any case. Because to me (and I assume to you) the state of 'divinity' is
> something I perceive in and attribute to something that has a rock-solid,
> demonstrable existence, we seem to cause a little annoyance for some here.
>
> Bill here regularly posts this and similar demands, lumping together all
> the possible forms of religion he can think of, and demanding proof from
> all of them. He repeatedly posts his admittedly impressive list of gods
> and goddesses - then demands that 'He' 'smite' the others from 'His'
> 'Heaven'... I'm sure Aphrodite, for example, would be quite likely to
> reach down from 'his' 'Heaven' and do some smiting. It'd be perfectly
> consistent behaviour for a goddess of love, after all.
>
> ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what he's
> really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
Still weaving and dodging trying to avoid the issue. What is you objective
verifiable
evidence that your god or any other god actually exists. Your babble is not
evidence.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
who though so were wrong?
Which atheists are the true ones, and are you
the pope of the "true" atheists?
> That is all atheist dogma you are quoting there. Real atheists have no
> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
> That's because they have no meaning for the word "god", somewhat like Zen
> Buddhists.
> Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that, disingenuous.
> >>
> >> until atheism is proven.
> >
> > That makes no sense at all.
> >
> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence. Saying:
> I don't believe in gods, whether they exist or not, is a preference for
> disbelief needing no evidence.
>
If I say I don't believe you are a "true" atheist,
is a preference for disbelief needing no evidence?
Jim
Pastor Frank
for a little while, whereas we have Jesus Christ forever.
Lucifer
But the rock crowd is real, screaming my name, screaming for more...the
sweat pours, and I mean pours, from my weary body, and I don't know
where I get the strength to even step down from the stage, through the
crowd, up the stairs into the musicians area, there's maybe a hundred
and fifty people there, but it would make no difference if it was a
hundred thousand. To hear the words I wrote sung back to me, to hear
the crowd cheer when the main riff from Burn It kicks in, to see them,
flying around, arms and legs flailing, bodies bouncing into eachother.
It's real. It's life.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
>
>
Al Klein
Sure it does. And, until he can prove his unbelief in Hank, nothing
he says will mean much.
--
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
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Al Klein
wrote:
>I have a life worth living, there is no feeling to compete with that of
>stepping down from the stage at the end of a set when the crowd are
>still screaming for more...
(I like the analogy.)
As opposed to performing for a stage full of actors, all exactly as
good as you are, for eternity. (To what end?)
They never do tell us what purpose heaven serves.
--
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to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
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bob young
Richo wrote:
> Surfer wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:03:40 -0500, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> > >are fakes?
> > >
> > I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
Only because that is what you want to believe because someone suggested
it.
My dogs have no god but they are part of nature.
We humans are mammals that got a freak brain,
hence we do freakish things anf think freakish things.
When we are extinct this planet will go back to normal
with no one wondering about gods, simply concentrating on the basic needs
that nature instilled,
searching for food and copulating
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
I thought you said His dad was simply 'love' Frank.
'A loving thoght produces a preacher that walks on water.
I don't think so
bob young
Lucifer wrote:
YUP and a brilliant revelation of the mindset that leads to other banalities,
such as dreaming up and following imaginary gods.
The only difference is the timing
Pastor Frank
news:1163367100.0...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
disbelief. Atheists have no idea what they believe in.
Olrik
No, it's only its definition.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism
> Real atheists have no
> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
lol
> That's because they have no meaning for the word "god", somewhat like Zen
> Buddhists.
I'd bet a few bucks that some, if not most of them, went to school and
learned the meaning of the word and concept of "god" and "gods". And if
they don't believe in them, they are atheists.
> Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that, disingenuous.
I did not deny that atheism was part of communism. There has been
atheists ever since "gods" were invented, and forcing disbelief in them
is as stupid as forcing belief.
> >>
> >> until atheism is proven.
> >
> > That makes no sense at all.
> >
> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence.
Maybe. It does not even matter. But I'm curious : I'd like to see your
evidence for the non existence of Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. Or
are you just "agnostic" about them?
Anyway, Frank, you've been posting in a.a. long enough to know all
that.
Olrik
bob young
Al Klein wrote:
> On 12 Nov 2006 03:02:18 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I have a life worth living, there is no feeling to compete with that of
> >stepping down from the stage at the end of a set when the crowd are
> >still screaming for more...
>
> (I like the analogy.)
>
> As opposed to performing for a stage full of actors, all exactly as
> good as you are, for eternity. (To what end?)
>
> They never do tell us what purpose heaven serves.
Well it used to get bigger congregations
with more cash tinkling in the offering bags as they were handed round.
Oh and the very rich would make donations for special prayers each Sunday
to make damn sure they made it to heaven.
all well documented, straight forward accurate stuff !
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
Wrong - it is based on sanity and common sense
> Atheists have no idea what they believe in.
see above - it's that simple
Scott Richter
> Fashion. Here today, gone and forgotten tomorrow. You have the "crowd"
> for a little while, whereas we have Jesus Christ forever.
That's exactly what the Norse used to say about Odin...
Al Klein
>Pastor Frank wrote:
>> Real atheists have no
>> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
That would be agnostics. Atheism has nothing to do with whether there
are gods or not.
>>Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
>> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that, disingenuous.
>I did not deny that atheism was part of communism. There has been
>atheists ever since "gods" were invented, and forcing disbelief in them
>is as stupid as forcing belief.
But stating that Communism is atheism is as stupid as saying that
Communism is male chauvinism because there were male chauvinists in
the government of the USSR.
>> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence.
Sure it is, but atheism is "I don't believe", not "there are none".
Claiming that atheism is the latter, not the former, is just plain
Christianity - also known by sane people as lying.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
others had no problem killing others even if
they had no idea what they believed in?
Jim
Lucifer
Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
consequences goes both ways.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> Jim
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Williams who founded Rhode Island(1635 A.D.)
the first state with relgious liberty for all.
" What is your religion or spiritual belief? In the U.S., we can
take
it for granted that people are free to follow any belief they wish.
Elsewhere, this often isn't the case.
During the 17th century, people left England to escape religious
persecution. Many colonists came to America to be able to freely
practice their religions. Roger Williams was a defender of religious
liberty who arrived in Boston on February 5, 1631.
Ordained to the ministry in the Church of England, Williams discovered
Puritanism, a reform movement that developed within the Church of
England, during his first parish duty. He converted. Soon after, he was
asked to be minister in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Leaving behind
the religious intolerance under England's King Charles I, he and his
wife journeyed across the ocean to join the "American Experiment" in
Boston in 1631. At first, Williams just wanted to reform the Church of
England; soon, he sought separation completely.
Many of Williams's parishioners did not agree with his idea to separate
from the Church of England. He then became minister in Salem. There,
his ideas also proved too radical. He went to Plymouth but again fell
into disfavor. Williams insisted that land must be purchased from the
Indians, rather than taken from them forcefully, in order to claim
title to it. He again went to Salem and was eventually put on trial in
1635 for his views. His sentence was banishment. Williams then
purchased land from the Narragansett Indians and established the
settlement of Providence, Rhode Island.
Williams founded the colony of Rhode Island based upon principles of
complete religious toleration, separation of church and state, and
political democracy (values that the U.S. would later be founded upon).
It became a refuge for people persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Anabaptists, Quakers, and Jews settled in Rhode Island. After forming
the first Baptist church in America, Williams left it to seek
spirituality in different ways. He stopped preaching to his friends,
the Indians, when he realized that their form of worship also fell
under his principle of religious freedom. He declared, "forced worship
stinks in God's nostrils." Williams's ideas were radical at the time,
but can you imagine living in a place without religious freedom now?"
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/colonial/williams_1
I suggest you read the classic on Religious
Liberty that gives the Bibical grounds for religious liberty
Bloudy Tenant of Persecution for Cause of Conscience
by Author: Roger Williams
Jim
De Nile is not only
a river in Egypt
Al Klein
wrote:
>jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
>> others had no problem killing others even if
>> they had no idea what they believed in?
>Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
>consequences goes both ways.
Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when
it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it
so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil
power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
- Benjamin Franklin
Lucifer
Al Klein wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
> >> others had no problem killing others even if
> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>
> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
> >consequences goes both ways.
>
> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
Yup. That's a fundy's idea of the truth...
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
> --
Dan Wood
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:t9jhl2pa2ft4p730n...@4ax.com...
> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
> >> others had no problem killing others even if
> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>
> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
> >consequences goes both ways.
>
> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
>
Dan Wood, DDS
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>
>"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
>news:t9jhl2pa2ft4p730n...@4ax.com...
>> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
>> >> others had no problem killing others even if
>> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>>
>> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
>> >consequences goes both ways.
>>
>> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
>> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
>> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
>> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
>>
>Of course you would believe every word Hitler uttered.
More confirmation that Dan is both a liar and an idiot.
He was a member in good faith of a religion that had Jesus Christ as
its divinity.
He simply ordered what both Protestant and Catholic church fathers had
written about the Jews - and more importantly his good Christian
followers who carried it out accepted hs Christian motivation and
justification.
Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
> "Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
> news:t9jhl2pa2ft4p730n...@4ax.com...
>> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
>> >> others had no problem killing others even if
>> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>>
>> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
>> >consequences goes both ways.
>>
>> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
>> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
>> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
>> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
>>
> Of course you would believe every word Hitler uttered.
Well he was following the anti semitic ideas common to both protestant and
ordothodox christianity. You only have to read about the pogroms against
the Jews that occured over history and the writing of Martin Luther to see
that.
Klazmon.
Pastor Frank
doesn't exist?
>> Real atheists have no
>> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
>
> lol
>
>> That's because they have no meaning for the word "god", somewhat like Zen
>> Buddhists.
>
> I'd bet a few bucks that some, if not most of them, went to school and
> learned the meaning of the word and concept of "god" and "gods". And if
> they don't believe in them, they are atheists.
>
Not if the language doesn't have a word for god(s).
>> Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
>> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that,
>> disingenuous.
>
> I did not deny that atheism was part of communism. There has been
> atheists ever since "gods" were invented, and forcing disbelief in them
> is as stupid as forcing belief.
>
Anything or anyone can be considered god or devil to someone. I have a
whole drawer full of existing gods for sale, some are exquisite pieces of
art.
>> >>
>> >> until atheism is proven.
>> >
>> > That makes no sense at all.
>> >
>> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence.
>
> Maybe. It does not even matter. But I'm curious : I'd like to see your
> evidence for the non existence of Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. Or
> are you just "agnostic" about them?
>
Like I said, it's all a matter of choice. Not all gods have to be
concrete, some can be abstract concepts as well, ...to the great confusion
and annoyance of atheists.
>
> Anyway, Frank, you've been posting in a.a. long enough to know all
> that.
>
Then you should know that our Christian God is abstract, become concrete
in the actions of Jesus Christ.
Al Klein
wrote:
>"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
>news:t9jhl2pa2ft4p730n...@4ax.com...
>> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
>> >> others had no problem killing others even if
>> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>>
>> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
>> >consequences goes both ways.
>>
>> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
>> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
>> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
>> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
>>
>Of course you would believe every word Hitler uttered.
You'd believe every word Jefferson uttered?
--
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<Kla...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>"Dan Wood" <danw...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ZK56h.17572$1v.15659
>@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>> Of course you would believe every word Hitler uttered.
>Well he was following the anti semitic ideas common to both protestant and
>ordothodox christianity. You only have to read about the pogroms against
>the Jews that occured over history and the writing of Martin Luther to see
>that.
Of course you would believe every word Martin Luther uttered. :)
--
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fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
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bob young
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Bill M wrote:
> > Here is a challenge for God believers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >
> > are fakes?
> >
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
>
> Jim
Yep - you can start by using the brains the evolutionary process provided you
with
>
>
> Ps 34:8 - O taste and see that the LORD is good:
> blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
>
> >
> >
> > What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
> >
> > that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
> >
> > and false claims?
> >
> >
> >
> > If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
> > authenticity
> >
> > from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are over one thousand God beliefs;
> >
> >
> > Baha'i Faith
> > Buddhism
> > Adventist
> >
> > Catholics
> > Jehovah's Witnesses
> > British Israelism
> > Southern Baptists
> > American Baptists
> > Amish
> > Brethren
> > Mennonites
> > Quakers
> > Shakers
> > Plymouth Brethren
> > Fundamentalists
> > Twin Oaks
> > Confucianism
> > Hinduism
> > Islam
> > Jainism
> > Judaism
> > Shinto
> > Sikhism
> > Taoism
> > Vodun (Voodoo)
> > Neopagan Religious Faiths
> > Asatru (Norse Paganism)
> > Druidism
> > Goddess Worship
> > Wicca
> > Witchcraft
> > Caodaism
> > Damanhur Community
> > Druse
> > Eckankar
> > Elian Gonzalez religious movement
> > Gnosticism
> > Gypsies
> > Hare Krishna - ISKCON
> > Lukumi
> > Macumba
> > Mowahhidoon
> > Native American Spirituality
> > Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
> > Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
> > Satanism; The Church of Satan
> > Scientology
> > Unitarian-Universalism
> > The Creativity Movement
> > Zoroastrianism
> >
> >
> > Gods:
> >
> > Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
> > Bacchus,
> > Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
> > Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
> > Eshu, Ereshkigal,
> > Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
> > Hephaestus,
> > Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
> > Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
> > Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
> > Morrigan,
> >
> > Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
> > Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
> > Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
> > Set,
> > Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
> > Vishnu,
> > Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
> >
> >
> > African gods:
> >
> > Abassi [Sky]
> > Abonsam [Evil]
> > Abora [Supreme]
> > Abzu [Water]
> > Acoran [Supreme]
> > Adaheli [Sun]
> > Adro [Sky]
> > Adroa [Sky]
> > Agassou [Panther]
> > Agbe-Naete [Water]
> > Age [Animals]
> > Aigamuxa [Monster]
> > Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
> > Aje [Wealth]
> > Ajok [Supreme]
> > Akonadi [Oracle]
> > Akongo [Supreme]
> > Akuj [Supreme]
> > Ala [Earth/Fertility]
> > Alatangana [Creator]
> > Amma [Creator]
> > Anansi [Trickster]
> > Anyiewo [Snake]
> > Aondo [Creator]
> > Apa [Creator]
> > Apedemak [War]
> > Arawa [Moon]
> > Arebati [Sky]
> > Arom [Contracts]
> > Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
> > Asase Ya [Earth]
> > Ashiakle [Wealth]
> > Asis [Sun]
> > Astar [Sky]
> > Ataa Naa
> > Nyongmo
> > [Creator]
> > Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
> > Atete [Fertility]
> > Avrikiti [Fishermen]
> > Ayabba
> > [Ayaba] [Hearth]
> >
> >
> > Bacax [Cave]
> > Bagba [Wind]
> > Balubaal [Earth+]
> > Bandara [Superior Gods]
> > Banga [Clear water]
> > Behanzin [Fish]
> > Beher [Sea]
> > Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
> > Bo [Warriors]
> > Bomazi[Ancestors]
> > Buadza [WInd]
> > Buck[River]
> > Buku [Sky]
> > Bumba [Creator]
> >
> >
> > Cagn [Creator]
> > (!Kaggen)
> > Cghene [Creator]
> > Chiuke
> > (Chuku) [Creator]
> > Chiata [Supreme]
> > Chwezi [Hero]
> > Col [Rain]
> > Chikara [Sky]
> >
> >
> > Danh
> > (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
> > Deng [Sky]
> > Deohako [Beans+]
> > Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
> > Dongo [Outer Space]
> > Dugbo [Earth]
> > Dxui [Creator]
> >
> >
> >
> > Emeli-hi [Supreme]
> > Eranoranhan [Protector]
> > Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
> >
> >
> >
> > Fa [Destiny]
> > Famien [Fertility]
> > Faro [Sky/Water]
> > Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
> >
> >
> >
> > Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
> > Gbeni [Chief]
> > Gei (Gou) [Moon]
> > Gu [War/Smiths]
> > Gua [Sky]
> > Gulu [Supreme]
> > Gunab [Evil]
> > Guruhi [Evil]
> > Gurzil [Bull]
> > Gwalu [Rain]
> > Hammon [Setting Sun]
> > Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
> > Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
> > Hevioss [Thunder]
> > Huntin [Tree]
> > Huvean [Creator]
> >
> >
> >
> > Ifa [Oracul]
> > Ikenga [Supreme]
> > Imana [Creator]
> > Iruwa [Sun]
> > Juok [Creator]
> > Kalumba [Creator]
> > Kalunga Supreme]
> > Katavi [Demonic]
> > Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
> > Khebieso [Lightening]
> > Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
> > Kholomodumo [Monster]
> > Khuzwane [Creator]
> > Kibuka [War]
> > Kokola [Guardian]
> > Kwammang-a [Supreme]
> > Kwoth [Spirit]
> > Kyala [Creator]
> >
> >
> >
> > Legba [Trickster]
> > Leza [Chief]
> > Libanza [Supreme]
> > Lisa [Chameleon]
> > Lyangombe[Chief]
> > Macardit [Demon]
> > Mantis [Creator]
> > Massim-Biambe [Creator]
> > Mawu [Sky]
> > Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
> > Mbotumbo [Supreme]
> > Medr [Earth]
> > Moomb [Creator]
> > Mon [?]
> > Mugasa
> > Mugu [Sky]
> > Mujaji [Rain]
> > Mukasa [Supreme]
> > Mula Djadi [Creator]
> > Muluku [Supreme]
> > Mulungu
> > Mungu [Creator]
> > Mungo (Mungu) [?]
> > Musa (Teaching]
> > Musisi [Supreme]
> > Mwari [Supreme]
> >
> >
> > Nampa [Personal]
> > Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
> > Nana Buluk [Creator]
> > Ndjambi [Sky]
> > Ndriananahary [Supreme]
> > Nduru [Jungle]
> > Nenaunir [Storm]
> > Nesshoue [River]
> > Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
> > Ngewo-wa [Creator]
> > Ngworekara [Demon]
> > Niamye [Supreme]
> > Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
> > Nommo [Elemental]
> > Nommo [Spirit]
> > Nyama [Animal]
> > Nyambe [Supreme]
> > Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
> > Nyame
> > Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
> > Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
> > Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
> > Nyasaye [Supeme]
> > Nzambi (Nzambi)
> > Mpunguo) [Supreme]
> > Nzame [Supreme]
> >
> >
> > Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
> > Obatala [Sky]
> > Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
> > Ogun (Ogoun) War]
> > Olokula [Sea]
> > Olorun [Supreme]
> > Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
> > Orahan [Supreme]
> > Orisa Nla [Creator]
> > Orishako [Agriculture]
> > Orunjan [Midday Sun]
> > Orunmila [Compassion]
> > Oshalla [?]
> > Osun [Beauty and Love]
> > Oya [Passion and Power]
> >
> >
> > Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
> > Qandisa [Demon]
> > Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
> >
> > Rock-Sene [Supreme]
> > Ruwa [Supreme]
> > Sagbata [Smallpox]
> > Sakarabru [Medicine]
> > Sakpata [Smallpox]
> > Sango [Thunder]
> > Shango [Thunder]
> > So [Lightening]
> >
> >
> > Tano [River]
> > Tore [Forest]
> > Trowu[Spirits]
> > Tsui'goab [Rain]
> > Twe [Lake]
> >
> > Umvelinqangi [Creator]
> > Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
> > Unumbotte [Creator]
> >
> > Waka [Rain]
> > Wele [Supreme]
> > Wulbari [Supreme]
> > Wuni [Supreme]
> >
> >
> > Xewioso [Thunder]
> > Yemaja [Creation]
> > Yo [Impersonal]
> >
> > Zin [Water]
> >
> > Table of Asian Gods:
> >
> > BUDDHIST
> >
> > Abhijnaraja [Physician]
> > Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
> > Acala [?]
> > Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
> > Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
> > Adibuddha [First]
> > Adidharma [Primeval]
> > Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
> > Ajaya [?]
> > Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
> > Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
> > Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
> > Amida [Savior]
> > Amitabha [A Dhyani]
> > Amitayus [Longevity]
> > Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
> > Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
> > Anantamukhi [Literature]
> > Arapacana [Book and Sword]
> > Arcismati [Bhumis]
> > Arhat [A Saint]
> > Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
> > Arya-Tara [Sakti]
> > Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
> > Asokottamasri [Physician]
> > Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
> > Asura [Group of Demons]
> > Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
> > Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
> >
> > Balaparamita [Philosophy]
> > Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
> > Bhima[Attendant]
> > Bhrkuti[Female]
> > Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
> > Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
> > Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
> > Bi-har [Protector]
> > Bodhidharma [Monk]
> > Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
> > Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
> > Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
> > Budha [Mercury]
> > Butcho [?]
> >
> > Chandarosana [Mahayana]
> > Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
> > Chakravartin [World Ruler]
> > Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
> > Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
> > Chittavista [Vashitas]
> > Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
> > Cunda [Literature]
> > Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
> > Dadimunda [Temples]
> > Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
> > Dakini [Demons]
> > Dala Kadavara [Demon]
> > Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
> > Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
> > Dharani [Mystical Texts]
> > Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
> > Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
> > Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
> > Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
> > Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
> > Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
> > Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
> > Dhupa [Mother]
> > Dhupatara [Mahayana]
> > Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
> > Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
> > Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
> > Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
> > Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
> > Dvarapala [?]
> >
> > Ekajata [Terrible]
> > Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
> >
> > Fudo [WIsdom]
> >
> > Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
> >
> > Hariti [Ate Children]
> > Hayagriva [Protection]
> > Heruka [Protection]
> > Hevajra [Protection]
> >
> > Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
> >
> > Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
> > Janguli [Snakebite cure]
> > Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
> > Jizo [Compassion]
> > Juichimen [Mercy]
> >
> > Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
> >
> > Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
> > Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
> > Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
> > Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
> > Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
> > Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
> > Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
> > Kurukulla [?]
> >
> > Locana [?]
> >
> > Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
> > Maitreya [Future]
> > Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
> > Manjusri [bodhisattva]
> > Mara [Evil]
> > Marici [Sun]
> > Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
> > Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
> > Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
> >
> > Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
> > Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
> > Pandara [?]
> > Paramasva [?]
> > Parnasavari [?]
> > Prajna [Femaleness]
> > Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
> > Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
> > Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
> > Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
> > Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
> >
> > Sakyamuni [Japanese]
> > Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
> > Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
> > Shakra [King of the Gods]
> > Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
> > Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
> >
> > Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
> >
> > Usnisavijaya [?]
> >
> > Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
> > Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
> > Vajrabhairava [?]
> > Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
> > Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
> > Vajravarahi [?]
> > Vajrayogini [Initiation]
> > Vajrayogini [Riches]
> > Vidyadharas [?]
> > Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
> > Vighnantaka [?]
> > Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
> > Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
> > Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
> >
> > We-to [Divine General]
> >
> > Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
> > Yama [?]
> > Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
> >
> > Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
> >
> > CHINESE GODS
> >
> > Ao [Sea]
> > Awun [Destruction]
> >
> > Ba [Drought]
> > Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
> > Bo Hsian [Taoist]
> >
> > Cai-Shen [Riches]
> > Can Cong [Silkworms]
> > Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
> > Chang Fei [War]
> > Chang Hs'ien [Children]
> > Chang Kuo-lao [?]
> > Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
> > Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
> > Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
> > Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
> > Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
> > Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
> > Chih Nu [Weavers]
> > Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
> > Chih-Yu [Inventor]
> > Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
> > Chou Wang [Sodomy]
> > Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
> > Chu Jung [Fire]
> > Chu Lung [Day/Night]
> > Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
> > Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
> > Confucius [Philosopher]
> >
> > Di Zhang Xia [?]
> > Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
> >
> > Erh-Lang [Guardian]
> >
> > Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
> > Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
> > Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
> > Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
> > Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
> > Fo [Buddha]
> > Fu His [Taught Humanity]
> > Fu Hsing [Happiness]
> > Fu Shen [Happiness]
> > Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
> > Fu-xi [Hero]
> >
> > Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
> > Gong Gong [Common Workers]
> > Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
> > Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
> > Gui Xian [Demon]
> >
> > Han Hsiang [Immortal]
> > Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
> > He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
> > Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
> > He Xian-gu [Immortal]
> > Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
> > Heng-o [Moon]
> > Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
> > Ho Po [River]
> > Hou Chi [Harvest]
> > Hou I [Archer]
> > Hou T'u [Earth]
> > Hsien [Taoists]
> > Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
> > Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
> > Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
> > Hua Hsien [Flower]
> > Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
> > Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
> > Hu-Shen [Hail]
> >
> > I [Bowmen]
> > Infoniwoo [Generation]
> > I-Ti [Wine]
> >
> > K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
> > Kuan Yu [War]
> > K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
> >
> > Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
> > Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
> > Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
> > Lei Kung [Storm]
> > Lei-zi [Thunder]
> > Li [Fire]
> > Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
> > Liu [Crops]
> > Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
> > Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
> > Lung Wang [Dragon King]
> > Lupan [Carpenters]
> >
> > Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
> > Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
> > Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
> > Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
> > Mu Gong [Immortals]
> >
> > Niu-Y'oun [Police]
> > Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
> >
> > O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
> >
> > Pa [Drought]
> > Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
> > Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
> > P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
> > 'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
> > Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
> > Puhsien [Sun]
> >
> > Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
> >
> > San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
> > Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
> > She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
> > Shen [Spirit]
> > Sheng Jen [Holy]
> > Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
> > Shen-T'u [Guardian]
> > Shen Yi [Sun]
> > Shiang Ku [Magician]
> > Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
> > Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
> > Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
> > Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
> > Shui-Fu [Water]
> > Shui-Kuan [Defender]
> > Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
> > Sung-Chiang [Theives]
> > Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
> > Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
> > Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
> >
> > T'ai I [High]
> > Tai-sui-xing [Time]
> > Tai-yi [Sky]
> > T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
> > Thu [Earth]
> > Tian [Sky]
> > Tian-zhu [Catholic]
> > Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
> > Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
> > T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
> > T'ien Lung [Dragon]
> > Tien Mu [Lightening]
> > Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
> > Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
> > Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
> > Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
> > Ti Yu [Afterlife]
> > Tou Nu [North Star]
> > Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
> > Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
> > Tsan [Demons]
> > Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
> > Tsao Shen [?]
> > Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
> > Tu [Earth]
> > Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
> > T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
> >
> > Wang [Palace Door]
> > Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
> > Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
> > Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
> > Wen Pu [Epidemics]
> > Wu Ti [Myth]
> >
> >
> > Xian [Spirits]
> > Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
> >
> > Yama [Seventh hell]
> > Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
> > Yao [Wind Conqueror]
> > Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
> > Yao Wang [Medicine]
> > Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
> > Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
> > Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
> > Yo Fei [War]
> > Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
> > Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
> > Yueh Fei [War]
> > Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
> > Yun T'ung [Clouds]
> > Yu-qiang [Sea]
> > Yu Shih [Rain]
> > Yu-tzu [Rain]
> >
> > Zao Jun [Kitchen]
> > Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
> > Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
> > Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
> >
> > [Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
> >
> >
> > Finnish Gods:
> >
> >
> > Ahto [Water]
> > Akka [Harvest]
> >
> > Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
> >
> > Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
> >
> > Ilma [Air]
> > Ilmarinen [Sky]
> > Inmar [Sky]
> >
> > Juma [Sky]
> > Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
> >
> > Kalevanpojat [Demons]
> > Kalma [Death]
> > Kekri [Fertility Feast]
> > Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
> > Kondos [Sowing Crops]
> > Kuu [Moon]
> >
> > Lemminkainen [Hero]
> > Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
> > Loviatar [Disease]
> > Luonnotar [Creator]
> >
> > Madderakka [Dwarves]
> > Maahiset [Dwarves]
> >
> > Naaki [Water]
> > Nyrckes [?]
> >
> > Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
> >
> > Pajainen [?]
> > Pajonn [Thunder]
> > Para [Goblin Like]
> > Pellonpekko [Barley]
> >
> > Raudna [?]
> > Rutu [Devil]
> >
> > Sampsa [Vegetation]
> > Seides [Stones]
> >
> > Rauni [?]
> >
> > Tapio [Forest]
> > Tiermes [Thunder]
> > Tuoni [Underworld
> > Tursas [Monster]
> >
> > Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
> >
> > Vainamoinen [Hero]
> > Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
> >
> > Waralden Olmai [World]
> >
> > JAPANESE GODS
> >
> >
> > Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
> > Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
> > Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
> > Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
> > Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
> > Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
> > Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
> > Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
> >
> > Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
> > Bishamon [War]
> >
> > Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
> >
> > Daikoku [Wealth]
> >
> > Ebisu [Labor]
> >
> > Fuchi [Fire]
> > Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
> > Futsunushi [Lightening]
> >
> > Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
> >
> > Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
> > Hikohohodemi [Hero]
> > Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
> > Hiruko [Morning Sun]
> > Hoderi [?]
> > Hisa-Me [Devils]
> > Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
> > Hosuseri [?]
> > Hotei [Laughter]
> >
> > Inari [Prosperity]
> > Izanagi [Creator]
> > Izanami [Mother]
> >
> > Jikoku [Guardians]
> > Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
> > Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
> >
> > Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
> > Kamado-gami [Hearth]
> > Kami [Divinities]
> > Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
> > Kami-Nari [Thunder]
> > Kamui [Sky]
> > Kappa [Water]
> > Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
> > Kishijoten [Luck]
> > Kishimojin [Demon]
> > Komoku [South]
> > Kompira [Wealth]
> > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
> > Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
> > Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
> > Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
> >
> > Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
> > Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
> > Ningyo [Mermaid]
> > Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
> >
> > O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
> > Onamuji [Earth]
> > Omiwa [Protective]
> > Oni [Demons]
> > O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
> > O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
> >
> > Raiden [Thunder]
> > Ryo-Wo [Sea]
> > Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
> >
> > Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
> >
> > Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
> > Sennin [Immortals]
> > Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
> > Shiko-Me [Devils]
> > Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
> > Shitatera-Hime [?]
> > Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
> > Shojo [Satyrs]
> > Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
> > Suitengu [Sea]
> > Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
> > Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
> > Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
> > Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
> > Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
> > Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
> > Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
> > Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
> > Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
> > Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
> > Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
> >
> > Uji-gami [Ancestors]
> > Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
> > Food]
> > Uzume [Mirth]
> >
> > Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
> > Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
> >
> > Yabune [House]
> >
> > Zocho [South]
> >
> > Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
> >
> > Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
> >
> > Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
> > Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
> > Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
> > Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
> > Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
> > Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
> >
> > Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
> >
> > Fujin [Wind]
> >
> > Hachiman [War]
> > Ho-musubi [Fire]
> >
> > Kami [Idols]
> >
> > SOUTH ASIAN GODS
> >
> > Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
> >
> > Debata [?]
> >
> > Empung Luminuut [?]
> >
> > Hainuwele [?]
> >
> > Hananim [Sky]
> >
> > Hmin [Ague]
> >
> > Karei [Supreme]
> > Kinharingan [Creator]
> > Kud [Evil]
> >
> > Laseo [Sun]
> > Lature Dano [Supreme]
> > Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
> >
> > Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
> > Ma-zu [?]
> >
> > Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
> > Narbrooi [Woodlands]
> > Nemu [Primodial]
> >
> > Palk [Sun]
> > Puang Matowa [Sky]
> > Pulug [Thunder]
> >
> > Reahu [Dark Demon]
> > Rigenmucha [Supreme]
> >
> > Silewe Nazarata [?]
> > Sirao [First]
> >
> > Ta Pedn [?]
> > Tnong [Sun]
> > Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
> >
> > Upulevo [Sun]
> >
> > Wunekau [Sun]
> >
> > CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
> >
> > Abyrga [Snake]
> > Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
> > Aitvaras [Evil]
> > Alardi [Spirit]
> > Aralo [Agriculutre]
> > Armaz [Supreme]
> > Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
> >
> > Baba [Spirit]
> > Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
> > Bagvarti [?]
> > Bangputys [Sea]
> > Bannik [Baths]
> > Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
> > Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
> > Bardha [Elves]
> > Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
> > Beng [Satan]
> > Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
> > Bogatyri [Heroes]
> > Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
> > Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
> > Buga [Supreme]
> > Bukura e dheut
> > [Good Spirit]
> > Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
> > Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
> > Byelun [?]
> >
> > Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
> > Chors [Sun]
> >
> > Dabog [Sun]
> > Deive [Stone Spirits]
> > Dieva deli [?]
> > Dievini [Less Known Gods]
> > Dievs [Sky]
> > Djall [Devil]
> > Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
> > Donbittir [Water/Fish]
> > Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
> > Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
> > Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
> > Dyavo [Demons]
> >
> > En [?]
> > Erlik [King of the Dead]
> > Es [Sky]
> >
> > Fatit [Destiny]
> > Fene [Demon]
> >
> > Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
> > Gabjauja [Corn]
> > Giltine [Death]
> > Guta [Demon]
> >
> > Hadur [War]
> > Himavat [Himalayas]
> > Horagalles [War]
> >
> > Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
> > Isten [Supreme]
> >
> > Jagaubis [Fire]
> > Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
> > Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
> > Jumis [Fertility]
> > Juras Mate [Water]
> >
> > Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
> > Kalvis [Smith]
> > Karta [Fate]
> > Kaukas [?]
> > Khors [Health/Hunting]
> > Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
> > Kikimora [Household]
> > K'op'ala [Protective]
> > Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
> > Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
> > Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
> > Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
> > Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
> >
> > Laima [Fate]
> > Lamaria [Hearth]
> > Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
> > Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
> > Laume [Fairy]
> > Leshy [Forest]
> > Lha [Bon Gods]
> > Lhamo [?]
> > Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
> > Ljubi [Demon]
> >
> > Manzasiri [Primeval]
> > Mate [Mother]
> > Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
> > Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
> > Meness [Moon]
> > Menulis [Moon]
> > Meza Mate [Nature]
> > Mirsa [Light]
> > Mokos [Fertility]
> > Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
> > Muma Padura [Wood]
> > Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
> >
> > Nang Lha [Household]
> > Nari [Demon]
> > Nari [Sky]
> > Num [Sky]
> >
> > Odqan [Fire]
> > Ora [Protective]
> > Ordog [Dark]
> >
> > Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
> > Peko [Barley]
> > Perendi [Jehovah]
> > Perit [Mountain Spirits]
> > Perkons [Thunder]
> > Perkunas [Thunder]
> > Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
> > Polevik [Field]
> > Poludnitsa [Field]
> > Pon [Sky]
> > Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
> > Preas Eyn [?]
> > Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
> > Preas Prohm [Primeval]
> >
> > Prende (Prenne) [Love]
> > Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
> > Pugu [Sun]
> >
> > Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
> >
> > Rugievit [War]
> > Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
> >
> > Safa [Weapens]
> > Sanda [?]
> > Sarkany [Weather]
> > Saule [Sun]
> > Saules meitas [?]
> > Selardi [Moon]
> > Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
> > Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
> > Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
> > Shiwini [Sun]
> > Shosshu [Smiths]
> > Siwini [Sun]
> > Srat [Demon]
> > Sri [Demon]
> > Sridevi [?]
> > Stribog [Winds]
> > Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
> > Svarog [Sky]
> > Syen [Guardian]
> > Stihi [Demon]
> >
> > Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
> > Telyaveli [Smiths]
> > Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
> > Tesheba [Weather]
> > Thab-lha [Hearth]
> > Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
> >
> > Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
> > Ulgen [Creator]
> > Urme [Fate]
> > Usins [?]
> >
> > Vadatajs [Evil]
> > Vampire [Soul of Dead]
> > Veela [Kindess]
> > Veja mate [Winds]
> > Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
> > Velnias [Devil]
> > Velu mate [Dead]
> > Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
> > Vila [Water]
> > Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
> > Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
> > Vodnik [Demon]
> > Vodyanoi [Water]
> > Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
> >
> > We [Supreme]
> >
> > Xhindi [Spirits]
> >
> > Yarilo [Love]
> >
> > Zaltys [Grass Snake]
> > Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
> > Zemes mate [Mother]
> > Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
> > Zorya [Guardian]
> > Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
> >
> >
> >
> > SIBERIAN GODS
> >
> > Ai Tojon [Light]
> > Ajysyt [Mother]
> > Anky-Kele [Sea]
> > Ayi [Creator]
> >
> > Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
> > Hinkon [Death Demon]
> >
> > K'daai [Fire Demon]
> > Kaltes [The Goddess]
> > Ke'lets [Death Demon]
> > Kurkil [Creator]
> > Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
> >
> > Mayin [Supreme]
> >
> > Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
> >
> > Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
> >
> > Tomam [Bird]
> > Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
> >
> > Xucau [Supreme]
> >
> > Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
Olrik
The "god" I refer to when posting to theists is :
"the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe."
Number 1 in :
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god
Other definitions may apply depending on context, but it's basically
just a concept.
> >> Real atheists have no
> >> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
> >
> > lol
> >
> >> That's because they have no meaning for the word "god", somewhat like Zen
> >> Buddhists.
> >
> > I'd bet a few bucks that some, if not most of them, went to school and
> > learned the meaning of the word and concept of "god" and "gods". And if
> > they don't believe in them, they are atheists.
> >
> Not if the language doesn't have a word for god(s).
When did the English language, for example, acquired the word for
"god"? (!)
Think about it.
> >> Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
> >> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that,
> >> disingenuous.
> >
> > I did not deny that atheism was part of communism. There has been
> > atheists ever since "gods" were invented, and forcing disbelief in them
> > is as stupid as forcing belief.
> >
> Anything or anyone can be considered god or devil to someone. I have a
> whole drawer full of existing gods for sale, some are exquisite pieces of
> art.
How much does Zeus worth these days?
> >> >>
> >> >> until atheism is proven.
> >> >
> >> > That makes no sense at all.
> >> >
> >> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence.
> >
> > Maybe. It does not even matter. But I'm curious : I'd like to see your
> > evidence for the non existence of Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. Or
> > are you just "agnostic" about them?
> >
> Like I said, it's all a matter of choice. Not all gods have to be
> concrete, some can be abstract concepts as well, ...to the great confusion
> and annoyance of atheists.
No confusion there, Frank. For me, they're all concepts, unless
evidence proves otherwise, which, in all history, it never did. (FYI,
the "bible" does not count as evidence.)
> >
> > Anyway, Frank, you've been posting in a.a. long enough to know all
> > that.
> >
> Then you should know that our Christian God is abstract, become concrete
> in the actions of Jesus Christ.
Then you also know that this "jesus" guy probably never existed. And if
he did, and was inspired by your "abstract" "god", then he'd be just
another prophet/philosopher. There would be no need for worship, he'd
be just a somewhat "cool" guy with a few nice paraboles (and a number
of improbable "miracles"...)
Olrik
Pastor Frank
news:1hoqck2.wgr73qxrgso4N%scottri...@yahoo.com...
goal in life. We prefer Jesus Christ and His saving love and grace. Who or
what do YOU prefer, apart from yourself of course.
Pastor Frank
> On 12 Nov 2006 20:46:29 -0800, "Olrik" <olri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>
>>> Real atheists have no
>>> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the subject.
>
> That would be agnostics. Atheism has nothing to do with whether there
> are gods or not.
>
>>>Furthermore to say that equating official atheist state religion /
>>> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that,
>>> disingenuous.
>
>>I did not deny that atheism was part of communism. There has been
>>atheists ever since "gods" were invented, and forcing disbelief in them
>>is as stupid as forcing belief.
>
> But stating that Communism is atheism is as stupid as saying that
> Communism is male chauvinism because there were male chauvinists in
> the government of the USSR.
>
>>> "There ain't no gods" is a positive assertion needing evidence.
>
> Sure it is, but atheism is "I don't believe", not "there are none".
> Claiming that atheism is the latter, not the former, is just plain
> Christianity - also known by sane people as lying.
>
god(s), is embarrassing.
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Including yours, no matter how seriously you take it. It is only
>> different/special/etc in the minds of its believers who invalidly try
>> to apply their inside-the-religion criteria outside it.
>
>Interesting comments.
>
>In order to support your point, I'd like you to tell me about my religion,
>then explain to me why it's essentially the same as Christianity (that
>bit's important), and why you believe it's harmful to me and to others.
I don't give a shit which one it is.
Are you really so stupid you imagine that whichever deity it is, has
any relevence to anybody apart from its believers?
>Go ahead.
Idiot.
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> I don't give a shit which one it is.
>
>More specifically, you don't *know*. Because you haven't bothered to ask.
No, liar, I don't care.
>Because you prefer to bundle everyone who doesn't see things from your
>point of view together and treat them all with equal contempt. Right?
No, liar - with equal irrelkevance, because they're all merely
somebidy else's irrelebvant belief.
>> Are you really so stupid you imagine that whichever deity it is, has
>> any relevence to anybody apart from its believers?
>
>No. And I've not said otherwise. Which is precisely my point.
Then you were deliberately misunderstanding Bill.
>
>>>Go ahead.
>>
>> Idiot.
Then don't be one.
>When you have a grown-up argument to make, feel free to come back to me.
When you have a shred of honesty, arrogant pillock. But I won't hold
my breath,
Scott Richter
> "Scott Richter" <scottri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1hoqck2.wgr73qxrgso4N%scottri...@yahoo.com...
> > Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Fashion. Here today, gone and forgotten tomorrow. You have the
> >> "crowd"
> >> for a little while, whereas we have Jesus Christ forever.
> >
> > That's exactly what the Norse used to say about Odin...
> >
> Nothing wrong with Odin, if you think honour in war is the most noble
> goal in life. We prefer Jesus Christ and His saving love and grace. Who or
> what do YOU prefer, apart from yourself of course.
Boy, you are dense. The point is religionists often think their
particular imaginary father figure is the one and only forever and ever.
History has shown the fallacy of this thinking time and again, but that
simple fact seems to elude the sheep. Just another example of willful
ignorance, common to all religions.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Al Klein wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 08:31:08 -0800, "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>
> >> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
> >> others had no problem killing others even if
> >> they had no idea what they believed in?
>
> >Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
> >consequences goes both ways.
>
> Isn't amazing, though, that they'll insist that Jefferson, who stated
> many times, in many different ways, that he WASN'T Christian IS a
> Christian, but they'll deny that Hitler, who stated that he WAS a
> Christian, ISN'T a Christian?
> --
atheist state and Jefferson said he wasn't an atheist
atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. ...
www.answers.com/topic/religion-in-the-soviet-union
He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be;
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
And of course you erased(i.e. censored)
Roger Willams a Chrisian who founded
Rhode Island(1635 A.D.) the first state
with religious freedom for all.
What you erased
http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/colonial/williams_1
The fact is a Christian established the first
state with religious freedom for all and so far
every atheist state persecuted relgious people.
You can erase all you want but facts are facts.
Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
> On 14 Nov 2006 11:49:41 +1300, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th
> <Kla...@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
>
>>"Dan Wood" <danw...@gmail.com> wrote in news:ZK56h.17572$1v.15659
>>@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>>> Of course you would believe every word Hitler uttered.
>
>>Well he was following the anti semitic ideas common to both protestant
>>and ordothodox christianity. You only have to read about the pogroms
>>against the Jews that occured over history and the writing of Martin
>>Luther to see that.
>
> Of course you would believe every word Martin Luther uttered. :)
;-) !
Klazmon.
bob young
Midjis wrote:
> bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> And had Generic Radical Muslim Terrorist been orphaned at two years
> >> old and been brought up by a pagan family, he might not have ended up
> >> blowing up a crowd of innocent people.
> >>
> >> We could play this game all day, if you want, but we still wouldn't
> >> prove a thing. We neither of us can say what would, might, should
> >> have happened if any given thing had been different.
> >
> > Nice 'side step'
>
> I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it drink. Likewise, I can
> say what I like to you, but I can't make you see me as anything but
> 'Theist': exactly the same as all the other theists, working to force my
> religion down your throat.
>
> The fact remains that you tell me what I *would* have believed had I
> been raised differently, which is, bluntly, pretty fatuous. I
> acknowledge that there's every possibility that had my life been
> significantly different, I would have had different experiences and
> developed different points of view. That goes for religion, politics,
> education, career, and absolutely anything else.
>
> I also realise that you're trying to point out that a given god can't be
> real if the same person would have believed in a different one had their
> lives been different. But the point remains that that's really beside
> the point.
So you would like to think,
but using a common sense outlook
it is very much to the point
> We don't have access to people's alternative histories - we
> can't say what differences might have had what effects if things had
> been different. And, as I said, we can play pointless games of
> speculation all day, if you want. Again, this reasoning is dependent on
> a preconceived idea of a specific religion or group of religions -
> faiths that say there is one acceptable concept of divinity and that no
> other is permissible. Yet there are religions that make no such
> definitions, and you attack these without that justification when you
> attack 'religion'.
>
> If you want to find reasons *within religion* why it can't be right, and
> why people shouldn't accept it, then you're going to be like a scientist
> trying to unify physical theories. You're going to end up spending time
> delving into something many vociferous atheists claim not to be
> interested in trying to find doctrinal commonalities between as many
> disparate religions as possible so that you can attack as many as
> possible at once by attacking that common ground. But that's still
> going to look unconvincing to those outside the ones you've managed to
> group. And the only true common ground I can see between *all*
> religions is that you don't believe in them. So it strikes me that
> that's the only basis on which you can convincingly attack religion in
> general.
The longer I live the longer the list of religious banality grows.
This applies to atheists and religionists
at least those that are prepared to think instead of dream.
Nature tells man to consult reason, and to take it for his guide: religion
teaches him that his reason is corrupted, that it is only a treacherous
guide, given by a deceitful God to lead his creatures astray. Nature tells
man to enlighten himself, to search after truth, to instruct himself in his
duties: religion enjoins him to examine nothing, to remain in ignorance,
to fear truth.
[Paul-Henri Thiry, Baron d'Holbach (1723-1789)]
"There are two things in the world that can never
get together- religion & common sense."
[George W. Foote]
bob young
Midjis wrote:
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Still weaving and dodging trying to avoid the issue. What is you
> > objective verifiable evidence that your god or any other god actually
> > exists.
>
> Ah, managed to stir yourself to post a reply, Bill? Well done.
>
> > Your babble is not evidence.
>
> Nor could anything I might post here be evidence, as you and I both
> know.
>
> As for 'weaving and dodging' and 'avoiding the issue', the fact remains
> that your preconceived ideas about religion describe one specific group
> of religions and do not seem relevant to many others.
>
> You repeatedly demand proof of this single, male creator God who lives
> in 'Heaven', and who you think should 'smite' all the other gods, or
> those who worship them. And for some reason you seem to believe that
> the absence of such smitery proves the non-existence of ALL the gods
> you've identified, and the falsehood of ALL the religions you've
> offered.
>
> You know - because I've told you before - that I can 'prove' my 'gods'
> simply by pointing out of the window
Well my window faces the bush
and out there a good sixty percent of mammals eat their prey whilst it is
still alive.
Cats play with a mouse before they decide to kill it
Some insects lay their eggs in other insects which then die a horrible
death as the offspring grows,,
...................but i am eating my lunch now
and i don't have the stomach for any more of your loving god's creations.
> (that I perceive divinity in Nature
>
> is why I've been told my religion "doesn't count" as religion -
> presumably because such denial gets militant atheists off the hook
> you're on right now). But you're careful to demand 'objective' proof -
> presumably knowing that none can be forthcoming. It's a popular demand
> - but religion isn't an objective matter. It's a matter of opinion and
> perception. And the aforementioned militant atheists usually love it
> when I say that, because it means they can wind up and go full steam
> into a derisive tirade about how opinions and perception aren't science.
> Well, as I usually say, nor is love. We can't measure that. We can't
> perform repeatable, controlled experiments on love. It can't be
> objectively, empirically analysed. That's why it's so damn complicated.
> Can you objectively prove to me that you love your wife, or your
> girlfriend or partner or kids? More interestingly, can you prove to me
> *objectively* that s/he or they love(s) you, or measure empirically how
> much? Rhetorical questions. Of course you can't. But that doesn't
> mean that you don't both love each other very much, does it? It's not
> something I'd ever want to test because it's not something I'd ever
> *need* to test. It's not my business. It's between you and the object
> of your affection.
your working so hard with the 'volume' of arguments,
I'm sure your god would be proud of you, were he to exist.
>
>
> I usually mention the appreciation of art, too, and music - again,
> things that are real, to the individual, but which have no objective
> reality.
I wouldn't bother, artists are often atheists.
All you and I have is a freak brain that resulted from billions of years of
evolution,
rather like the giraffe got a long neck and the elephant got a long nose.
With this brain homo sapiens dreams up gods by the thousands and nuclear
bombs.
[or did a 'god' approve of the latter?]
you see a few lines of basic logic and common sense outdoes the longest
diatribe attempting to prove something that would be eternally simple to
prove
have the same god of biblical days appear and do the same thing like
walking on water. easy isn't it?
> They depend entirely on the perceptions of the individual. So
> it is with religion. That's why it's wrong for religionists to try to
> impose their views on others. That's why it's wrong for you to be doing
> the same thing - especially when you're trying to do so by appealing to
> characteristics that religions don't all share.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Scott Richter" <scottri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1hoqck2.wgr73qxrgso4N%scottri...@yahoo.com...
> > Pastor Frank <P...@christfirst.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Fashion. Here today, gone and forgotten tomorrow. You have the
> >> "crowd"
> >> for a little while, whereas we have Jesus Christ forever.
> >
> > That's exactly what the Norse used to say about Odin...
> >
> Nothing wrong with Odin, if you think honour in war is the most noble
> goal in life. We prefer Jesus Christ and His saving love and grace. Who or
> what do YOU prefer, apart from yourself of course.
You know so much about posters here by just reading a few words?
Which you then use to be nasty !
Who tells you all this stuff? Your god?
Or is it simply your imagination which is being fed by extreme frustration ?
Richo
Midjis wrote:
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Still weaving and dodging trying to avoid the issue. What is you
> > objective verifiable evidence that your god or any other god actually
> > exists.
>
> You repeatedly demand proof of this single, male creator God who lives
> in 'Heaven', and who you think should 'smite' all the other gods, or
> those who worship them. And for some reason you seem to believe that
> the absence of such smitery proves the non-existence of ALL the gods
> you've identified, and the falsehood of ALL the religions you've
> offered.
>
obsessed with the particular God that he is an atheist towards.
In other words you have hime pegged.
8-)
> You know - because I've told you before - that I can 'prove' my 'gods'
> simply by pointing out of the window (that I perceive divinity in Nature
> is why I've been told my religion "doesn't count" as religion -
> presumably because such denial gets militant atheists off the hook
> you're on right now). But you're careful to demand 'objective' proof -
> presumably knowing that none can be forthcoming. It's a popular demand
> - but religion isn't an objective matter. It's a matter of opinion and
> perception. And the aforementioned militant atheists usually love it
> when I say that, because it means they can wind up and go full steam
> into a derisive tirade about how opinions and perception aren't science.
> Well, as I usually say, nor is love. We can't measure that. We can't
> perform repeatable, controlled experiments on love. It can't be
> objectively, empirically analysed. That's why it's so damn complicated.
> Can you objectively prove to me that you love your wife, or your
> girlfriend or partner or kids? More interestingly, can you prove to me
> *objectively* that s/he or they love(s) you, or measure empirically how
> much? Rhetorical questions. Of course you can't. But that doesn't
> mean that you don't both love each other very much, does it? It's not
> something I'd ever want to test because it's not something I'd ever
> *need* to test. It's not my business. It's between you and the object
> of your affection.
>
Very well said.
I am increasingly reluctant about calling myself "atheist" these days
because of people like Bill and others like him that I do not want to
associate myself with.
I now prefer the term godless.
I dont really care about the *existence* of gods - one way or another.
> I usually mention the appreciation of art, too, and music - again,
> things that are real, to the individual, but which have no objective
> reality. They depend entirely on the perceptions of the individual. So
> it is with religion. That's why it's wrong for religionists to try to
> impose their views on others. That's why it's wrong for you to be doing
> the same thing - especially when you're trying to do so by appealing to
> characteristics that religions don't all share.
Well said, again!
Mark.
Pastor Frank
news:1163435468.1...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> > <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1163367100.0...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > > who though so were wrong?
>> > > Which atheists are the true ones, and are you
>> > > the pope of the "true" atheists?
>> > >
>> > >> That is all atheist dogma you are quoting there. Real atheists
>> > >> no
>> > >> idea whether there is a god or not and have no opinion on the
>> > >> subject.
>> > >> like Zen
>> > >> Buddhists.
>> > >> /
>> > >> philosophy with communism is "disingenuous" is precisely that,
>> > >> disingenuous.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > That makes no sense at all.
>> > >> >
>> > >> I don't believe in gods, whether they exist or not, is a preference
>> > >> for
>> > >> disbelief needing no evidence.
>> > >>
>> > > If I say I don't believe you are a "true" atheist,
>> > > is a preference for disbelief needing no evidence?
>> > >
>> > It's all a matter of definition. The entire atheist codex is based
>> > on
>> > disbelief. Atheists have no idea what they believe in.
>> >
>> Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and
>> others had no problem killing others even if
>> they had no idea what they believed in?
>
> Whereas Hitler knew what he believed in, and killed. Argument from
> consequences goes both ways.
>
million Jews. Same goes for all the others above. It's much rather they all
disbelieved in there being anything wrong with killing, as long as logic and
reason dictate such actions to be justifiable, and we all know, there is
never a shortage of reasons to justify killing just about everyone.
Jesus was dead set against killing, as well as perpetrating all other of
man's inhumanity to man, and would rather get killed Himself, than hurt
anyone else. Only Mennonites believe in that anymore.
JEM
<P...@christfirst.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Jesus was dead set against killing, as well as perpetrating all other of
>man's inhumanity to man, and would rather get killed Himself, than hurt
>anyone else. Only Mennonites believe in that anymore.
"Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since
you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I
died for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a
loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your
prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and
worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I
WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF
HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!"
[thanks to whywontgodhealamputees.com for the above]
Matthew 10:34,39
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword. {39} He that findeth his life shall lose it: and
he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
Matthew 11:20-24
{24} But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land
of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Repeatedly, Jesus threatens violent destruction.
Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out
of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
{42} And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be
wailing and gnashing of teeth.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife,
and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of
correction shall drive it far from him. -- Proverbs 22:15
He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to
death. -- Exodus 21:15
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be
surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his
blood shall be upon him. -- Leviticus 20:9
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that
curseth father or mother, let him die the death. -- Matthew 15:4
Exodus 21
lotsa rules about slavery, here's my faves
21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also
bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall
bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall
not go out as the menservants do.
21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be
put to death.
21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he
die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be
punished: for he is his money.
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his
maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his
maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.
the ox trifecta
21:28 If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox
shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the
owner of the ox shall be quit.
21:29 But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and
it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but
that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his
owner also shall be put to death.
21:31 Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter,
according to this judgment shall it be done unto him.
these and many many more of the greatest hits are all yours for the
finding in the "good book"
ya jesus was a sweetheart, apart from the violence, hatred,
discrimination, slavery, so much crap from the jayzuz who never was.
Bill M
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:4557919b$0$21188$8826...@free.teranews.com...> news:1163329338.8...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>>> news:1163279337.4...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>> >> Olrik wrote:
>>> >> > jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>> >> > > Al Klein wrote:
>>> >> > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:03 -0500, ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > >On 10 Nov 2006 13:24:41 -0800, jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > >> You are the one who needs to prove
>>> >> > > > >> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
>>> >> > > > >> we can find out which One is true.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > >Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently
>>> >> > > > >than
>>> >> > > > >any
>>> >> > > > >of the others.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > Failure to disprove any noted.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Prove yours, and I will stand corrected. Thanks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Olrik
>>> >> >
>>> >> Until we prove they are all wrong, there is
>>> >> no need to try to find out which one is true,
>>> >> just as there is no need to find out which
>>> >> atheism is true(i.e. Stalin's, Mao's, Fidel's,
>>> >> Pol Pot, North Korea's, Reign of Terror in France...etc
>>> >> Jim
>>> >
>>> > Bwahahahahahahaha try again fuckwit. They can't all be right, but they
>>> > can all be wrong, now, let's mention a few religious hate crimes shall
>>> > we...
>>> > Inquisition?
>>> > Buggering Altar Boys?
>>> > Witch Trials?
>>> > Stonings?
>>> > 9/11?
>>> > The Fucking Holocaust?
>>> > Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
>>> > and
>>> > General Purpose Igor
>>> > The Anti-Theist
>>> > "Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>>> >
>>> To accuse interminably, and wail complaints ad nauseam is atheists
>>> doctrine. We are here to glorify, praise and worship. Join us in
>>> praising
>>> and worshiping that which is holy and have a life worth living.
>>>
>>
>> I have a life worth living, there is no feeling to compete with that of
>> stepping down from the stage at the end of a set when the crowd are
>> still screaming for more...
>>
> Fashion. Here today, gone and forgotten tomorrow. You have the "crowd"
> for a little while, whereas we have Jesus Christ forever.
No, only until you die than your myths die with you!
bob young
Midjis wrote:
> bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > So you would like to think,
> > but using a common sense outlook
> > it is very much to the point
>
> Not really. That the same person might believe on thing in one
> alternative reality and another thing in another doesn't really say
> anything about which if any of those belief systems is 'true', or whether
> either has any merit. As I said, in an alternative reality I might have
> different political views. Does that mean that politics as a whole is
> worthless?
Politics exists, we can see it working,
we can touch the politicians, they can kiss our babies.
Religion is ethereal, you cannot touch it and the 'servants' of gods
- the priests are hundred percent man made and man appointed.
no gods involved, anymore than they are involved in instructing humans how
to build temples
>
>
> > Nature tells man to consult reason
>
> No, it doesn't. Nature doesn't tell anyone to do anything beyond eating
> and mating. It certainly doesn't issue instructions on how we should
> analyse the world around us.
Nature [evolution] gave you and I our freak brains,
brains that invent atomic weapons and gods
>
> > religion teaches him that his reason is corrupted
>
> Why does it? Mine doesn't require anything of me that would oppose
> scientific discovery in any way. So why would you say that *religion*
> tells man to doubt his reason?
Well for starters it expect you to swallow stuff like this:
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgments to 'James, Seattle'
>
> > given by a deceitful God to lead his creatures
> > astray.
>
> And which 'God' would that be? Which 'God' do you presume is the basis
> of all religion?
none - they are all man made myths
bob young
Midjis wrote:
> bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > Well my window faces the bush
> > and out there a good sixty percent of mammals eat their prey whilst it
> > is still alive.
>
> Yep. Grim, isn't it?
>
>
> ...................but i am eating my lunch now
> > and i don't have the stomach for any more of your loving god's
> > creations.
>
> Sorry? My 'loving god'? Who's that? You wouldn't be thinking of the Christian God,
> by any chance, and thus making my point for me?
could be any god. Most of them were given wide powers of creation, most had a heaven and
a hell
but it makes no difference, all are man made.
>
>
>
> > your working so hard with the 'volume' of arguments,
> > I'm sure your god would be proud of you, were he to exist.
>
> 'He'?
well there were a few female gods in Egypt way back before the daddy of Jesus was dreamed
up.
Actually not sure if your god is a he, a she, black or white or brown.
One thing i am sure of though - you haven't seen 'IT'
>
>
>
> > I wouldn't bother, artists are often atheists.
>
> Whether that's true or not, it isn't related to the point I was making. The point I
> was making is that different people perceive art in different ways - not just the
> artist, but the people who experience what the artist has done. The same piece of art
> might say entirely different things to different people. The point here is that each
> person's appreciation of that piece of art isn't an objective phenomenon that can be
> empirically measured.
I agree, we are al different. Psychology uses the Bell Curve to measure human traits and
those 'really' appreciating arts will be on one skirt of the bell and those who cannot
stand it on the opposite one.
give you one thing about humanity, we are a mixed up bunch
>
>
> A person cannot provide 'objective proof' of what they perceive in a piece of art -
> which is an illustration of the fact that demands for 'objective proof' are sometimes
> misleading.
what !?
>
> > All you and I have is a freak brain that resulted from billions of
> > years of evolution,
>
> True. And I appreciate it.
So you do not subscribe to the theory we are god's children made by 'Him' then?
then what are we arguing about. I prefer laughter to argument any day
>
>
> > [or did a 'god' approve of the latter?]
>
> I take it that was rhetoric, rather than a real question.
>
>
> > have the same god of biblical days appear and do the same thing like
> > walking on water. easy isn't it?
>
> Not from my point of view, no. I don't believe in that god.
so it seems. you have been leading me a merry dance.
always happy to oblige. [can you do the Samba?]
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
>> Politics exists, we can see it working,
>> we can touch the politicians, they can kiss our babies.
>
>Some would make the same claim about religion. But the point here is
>whether a given political viewpoint can be measured objectively. Bill's
>demand was that we - that is, the religious - provide objective,
>verifiable evidence of the truth of the Christian religion. You might
>just as well demand of a Republican or a Democrat, or a Conservative or
>Labour voter, that they provide objective, verifiable evidence that their
>stance is right.
Politicians get the same demand to put up or shut up. And they try to
weasel out as well.
>
>
>> Religion is ethereal, you cannot touch it
>
>That depends on your religious point of view. Again, it's the assumption
>of Bill and his supporters that all religion is what Christianity defines
>it as.
>
>
>> Nature [evolution] gave you and I our freak brains,
>> brains that invent atomic weapons and gods
>
>Indeed it did. But it doesn't make any demands about what we do with
>them. You said that Nature tells man to consult reason. That's not the
>case. If I didn't know better, I'd query the apparent assumption that
>Nature possesses any conscious will or opinion about what we do.
>
>
>> Well for starters it expect you to swallow stuff like this:
>
>Remember we're talking about *religion* here, not just Christianity. So,
>from the point of view of a religious person:
>
>> The universe revolves around the earth.
>
>My religion says no such thing. Earth is simply one tiny planet in a
>vast, vast universe, and happens to support life.
>
>
>> Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
>
>My religion doesn't say so. To me, stars are giant balls of hydrogen
>undergoing a fusion reaction.
>
>
>> The world is flat (and on pillars)
>
>My religion doesn't say so. The world is a ball of rock, water, magma
>and air orbiting one of the above.
>
>
>> Bats are a kind of bird.
>
>Bats are mammals, according to my religion.
>
>
>> Rabbits chew their cud.
>
>Not as far as I'm aware. Certainly my religion hasn't required me to
>acknowledge any such thing.
>
>
>> There is enough water to flood the entire planet
>
>My religion hasn't said so. Nor does it postulate any circumstances
>under which such a flood might occur.
>
>
>> Women were created from a man's rib
>
>I don't recall any part of my religion that says as much. Women are
>formed in much the same way that men are formed: the combination of two
>DNA sequences by means of the fusion of sperm and ovum. Neither arrived
>on Earth before the other.
>
>
>> Rainbows are a promise from God
>
>Rainbows, I'm pretty sure, are the result of sunlight being prismatically
>refracted through atmospheric moisture. My religion certainly doesn't
>say otherwise.
>
>
>> none - they are all man made myths
>
>But your statements above have already given me the *true* answer.
>Again, faced with having to debunk *religion*, all you can offer is why
>*Christianity* (and Bible-literalist Christianity, at that) isn't true.