Abortion Is Genocide

[Patrick]

Abortion Is Genocide







Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
experienced.



http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html

[Alan Ferris]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:04:57 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

> Abortion Is Genocide

Jesus clearly did not teach the meaning of "Genocide" to his church.
Which might explain why they are so bothered about a baby in a womb
but not a child on the end of priests dick.


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>The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
>1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
>clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal
>of testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
>punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."

Makes sense to me.
-----------------
P Barker

[Jeanne Douglas]

The only real question is what are YOU doing to stop the need for
abortion, which every sane person knows should be rare?

Are you supporting full sex education for children, starting BEFORE
they hit puberty. Are you supporting every initiative to make birth
control available to every person who wants it? Are you supporting
Planned Parenthood, whose distribution of birth control prevents the
need for millions of abortions every year?

If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you've lost your right
to complain about abortions, because you are supporting all the
situations in which they become necessary.

JD

[Syd M.]

On Apr 24, 3:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> Abortion is literally a life and death issue.

Nope.
No child is killed in an abortion, ignorant loser.

PDQ

[casey]

I hold no religious views and do support community
responsibility for children but would also like an
answer to the question.

It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.

[W.T.S.]

In article <hZ-dnTdjse3EZAvS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...
>
> Abortion Is Genocide
Pure, lying, bull shit! No baby is involved in any abortion.
Do you have a single ounce of truth to post? I really doubt you do.

>
> Abortion is literally a life and death issue.

Pure, lying bull shit. No baby is involved in any abortion.

> How can we as a society not
> see that?

Because it's bull shit, always has been and always will be pure, lying
bull shit.

> We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> that it involves the destruction of human life.

Pure, lying bull shit. No baby is involved in any abortion.

> We get so caught up in
> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> rate of about 4,000 a day.

"God" is a fuck mouthed lie. Do you have a drop of truth to post? We
both know you don't!

> If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> experienced.

We aren't. And no baby is involved in any abortion.
>
> http://www.OurCatholicFilth.org/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/
"If it's Catholic, it's filth."


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Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
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>
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[Don Martin]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:24:33 +0100, Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:04:57 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Abortion Is Genocide
>
>Jesus clearly did not teach the meaning of "Genocide" to his church.
>Which might explain why they are so bothered about a baby in a womb
>but not a child on the end of priests dick.

"Innocence en brochette!"

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
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[Don Martin]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>> The only real question is what are YOU doing to stop the need for
>> abortion, which every sane person knows should be rare?
>>
>> Are you supporting full sex education for children, starting BEFORE
>> they hit puberty. Are you supporting every initiative to make birth
>> control available to every person who wants it? Are you supporting
>> Planned Parenthood, whose distribution of birth control prevents the
>> need for millions of abortions every year?
>>
>> If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you've lost your right
>> to complain about abortions, because you are supporting all the
>> situations in which they become necessary.
>>
>> JD
>
>I hold no religious views and do support community
>responsibility for children but would also like an
>answer to the question.
>
>It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
>is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.

Personhood at birth also happens to be a legal distinction in the U.S., but
don't trouble your pretty little head about that.

Incidentally, should you ever be the victim of a violent crime, you may comfort
yourself with the fact that your assailant has a very good chance of being an
unwanted child who was NOT aborted. "Unwanted" does not evaporate post partum.

[BroilJAB]

Any woman who murders her child
deserves a lifetime of self-induced trauma
and an eternity in Hell.

[casey]

On Apr 25, 9:40 am, A Robert Parker <Dontbot...@netportusa.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au>

>> I hold no religious views and do support community
>> responsibility for children but would also like an
>> answer to the question.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
>> is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.
>
>

> No one is denying that a fetus is a individual person,

Some do deny that. For example is the "person" we value
the body or the "mind"? When the brain is working we
are "alive". If we are brain dead we donate our organs,
for the part we value, the "mind", the functioning of
an awake brain is no longer there.


> with all the rights of any person. However what the
> pro-life is denying is the woman is a individual person
> with all the rights of any person. No person has a right
> to another persons body without that persons on going
> consent. I cannot force you to give me a pint of your
> blood to sustain my life. Society has no right to
> control any woman's body. Hey, I despise abortion.
> But I love personal freedom, and hate laws that force
> people to do things against their will.

I have no problem with your point of view but I also
like to have evidence based beliefs not beliefs fitted
to suit my wants. I may want a big Daddy in the sky
and an inheritance in heaven but that is no argument
that such an entity exists.

casey

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:31:16 -0400, Don Martin
<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:39:18 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> The only real question is what are YOU doing to stop the need for
>>> abortion, which every sane person knows should be rare?
>>>
>>> Are you supporting full sex education for children, starting BEFORE
>>> they hit puberty. Are you supporting every initiative to make birth
>>> control available to every person who wants it? Are you supporting
>>> Planned Parenthood, whose distribution of birth control prevents the
>>> need for millions of abortions every year?
>>>
>>> If you answered "no" to any of those questions, you've lost your right
>>> to complain about abortions, because you are supporting all the
>>> situations in which they become necessary.
>>>
>>> JD
>>
>>I hold no religious views and do support community
>>responsibility for children but would also like an
>>answer to the question.
>>
>>It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
>>is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.
>
>Personhood at birth also happens to be a legal distinction in the U.S., but
>don't trouble your pretty little head about that.

Are there any anti-abortion people capable of arguing their position
honestly?

NOBODY says a fetus is not an individual "simply because it is
unwanted" apart from lying "pro-lifers" putting words into other
people's mouths they know they didn't say.

It is something with the potential to become an individual, but isn't
one yet.

In exactly the same way an acorn has the potential to become an oak.

Don't they even bother to think what message they send when they lie
about people who don't support them?

[casey]

On Apr 25, 9:31 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> [...]

> Incidentally, should you ever be the victim of a
> violent crime, you may comfort yourself with the
> fact that your assailant has a very good chance
> of being an unwanted child who was NOT aborted.
> "Unwanted" does not evaporate post partum.

That has nothing to do with the personhood or
otherwise of some stage of human life.

I am not making any moral or ethical judgments
only asking when are we physically a person as
opposed to a collection of cells.

casey

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:02:33 -0800, "L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com>
wrote:

>casey wrote:
>
>> It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
>> is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.
>

>You have it backwards. The parasitic growth inside a woman's body is
>considered an individual by some people because they want it.

Are there any honest "pro-lifers"?

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:

"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
of about 4,000 a day"...

Are you aware that in the natural course of
things -- natural, with no human intervention
involved -- only about one in four fertilized
eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
term? The majority fail implant, others abort
spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.

A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
to a figure of three quarters of a million
"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
your 4,000.

If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
little persons, I cannot understand why they
do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
night over this monstrous number of "God's
Children" that their God lets die every day,
day in and day out, year after year after
year.


Seth

[Mitchell Holman]

Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2440d7e5-b4d2-4ceb...@f17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:

Christians have no problem with murder,
as long as their God does it or orders it.





GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness
of man and decides to do something about it. He kills
every living thing on the face of the earth other than
Noah's family.

EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down
everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast
except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the
land of Egypt. Even the first born animals are killed.

EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go
in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and
slay every man his brother, and every man his companion,
and every man his neighbor."

EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay 3000 men.

NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and
swallow up the men and their households (including
wives and children) because the men had been rebellious.

NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.

NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.

NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many
Israelites.

NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay
Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there
was not one survivor left ...."

NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders
the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children
and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How
would it be determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)

[elizabeth]

On Apr 24, 12:24 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:04:57 -0400, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com>

Jesus didn't say anything about abortion, even though it was common at
the time.

[BroilJAB]

We need hard Laws mandating Death
to anyone participating in Abortion. And
they should be made Ex Post Facto.
And they should be on par with the
Constitution itself. When a women kills
her child, or HAS killed her child, she
must immediately understand that she
shall be Legally Executed by being hanged
to death in chains. The sooner launched into
Hell, the sooner the real sentence begins.

[elizabeth]

On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>       Abortion Is Genocide

NOT.

> Abortion is literally a life and death issue.

Yes, and banning it KILLS WOMEN.

Which is what you want.

[casey]

On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> little persons, I cannot understand why they
> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
> night over this monstrous number of "God's
> Children" that their God lets die every day,
> day in and day out, year after year after
> year.
>
> Seth

Caring about these things is a human emotion
which results in reproductive success. There
is no evidence that any God exists who cares
one way or the other.

It depends on what kind of society you want to
live in and how you want to value other human
beings.

There are various religious notions about life
but if you take the soul in the body notion
then death of a body wouldn't matter just shove
the soul into another body. Some religions
think this happens anyway with reincarnation.

They all sound like fairy tales to me and there
is no evidence for any of them. It would be
interesting however if science could get a
handle on exactly what is happening when the
brain reports it is a conscious Self.

casey

[Uergil]

In article
<f03d3781-6e7d-4f27...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Any woman who is impregnated by rape or incest should have the right to
> end that pregnancy.

And if Romney does not support that, Obama will be our next president.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[thomas p.]

Since that is not the reason, what is the problem?

[thomas p.]

> [...]
>> Incidentally, should you ever be the victim of a
>> violent crime, you may comfort yourself with the
>> fact that your assailant has a very good chance
>> of being an unwanted child who was NOT aborted.
>> "Unwanted" does not evaporate post partum.
>
>That has nothing to do with the personhood or
>otherwise of some stage of human life.
>
>I am not making any moral or ethical judgments
>only asking when are we physically a person as
>opposed to a collection of cells.
>
>casey

Personhood is not determined by biology.

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:

>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> that it involves the destruction of human life.

It involves the destruction of *human tissue*. Not yet a human being.

? We get so caught up in

> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children

Hold the phone, Sparky; got any objective, verifiable evidence that
*any* god *actually exists*? Because until and unless you do, you're
just blathering about nonexistent beings.

> at the rate of about 4,000 a day.

Well thank Dog for that! This planet is already hopelessly
overcrowded. Where are you going to find jobs and housing for an
extra 4,000 people a day? We can't adequately take care of the ones
we've already got!

> If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> experienced.

Yeah, well, there's a difference between losing 4,000 non-sentient,
non-conscious bits of meat that *might someday* turn into babies, and
losing 4,000 independent, sentient, conscious *adults*. There's no
comparison.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

When our neurological systems are hooked up and we can fully feel pain
and react to stimuli and are able to acheive consciousness. This is
achieved at approximately the time of natural birth.

[BroilJAB]

[duke]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>       Abortion Is Genocide
>>
>:
>
>> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
>> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
>> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
>> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
>> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
>> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
>> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
>> experienced.
>
>> http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html
>
>
>
>"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
>of about 4,000 a day"...
>
>Are you aware that in the natural course of
>things -- natural, with no human intervention
>involved -- only about one in four fertilized
>eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
>term?

And this gives you an opportunity to murder some on your own?

The majority fail implant, others abort
>spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
>always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
>had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
>hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.
>
>A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
>to a figure of three quarters of a million
>"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
>completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
>your 4,000.

I'm going to get you a professional position of "counter". Would you like that?

>If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
>little persons,

They are 100% guaranteed to be human life.

> I cannot understand why they
>do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
>night over this monstrous number of "God's
>Children" that their God lets die every day,
>day in and day out, year after year after
>year.
>
>
>Seth
>

duke, American - American

*****
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4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[duke]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>       Abortion Is Genocide
>>
>> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
>> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
>> that it involves the destruction of human life.
>
>It involves the destruction of *human tissue*. Not yet a human being.

Correction - human life, it tis. A

>? We get so caught up in
>> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
>> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children
>
>Hold the phone, Sparky; got any objective, verifiable evidence that
>*any* god *actually exists*? Because until and unless you do, you're
>just blathering about nonexistent beings.

Got any that he doesn't?

> at the rate of about 4,000 a day.
>
>Well thank Dog for that! This planet is already hopelessly
>overcrowded. Where are you going to find jobs and housing for an
>extra 4,000 people a day? We can't adequately take care of the ones
>we've already got!
>
>> If we were losing that many servicemen each day
>> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
>> experienced.
>
>Yeah, well, there's a difference between losing 4,000 non-sentient,
>non-conscious bits of meat

That' God says are HIS.

> that *might someday* turn into babies, and
>losing 4,000 independent, sentient, conscious *adults*. There's no
>comparison.

That's why hell exists.

>Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[duke]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
>> little persons, I cannot understand why they
>> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
>> night over this monstrous number of "God's
>> Children" that their God lets die every day,
>> day in and day out, year after year after
>> year.
>>
>> Seth

>Caring about these things is a human emotion
>which results in reproductive success. There
>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>one way or the other.

I have evidence that God exists.

>It depends on what kind of society you want to
>live in and how you want to value other human
>beings.

Baby killers are dirty animals.

>There are various religious notions about life
>but if you take the soul in the body notion
>then death of a body wouldn't matter just shove
>the soul into another body. Some religions
>think this happens anyway with reincarnation.
>
>They all sound like fairy tales to me and there
>is no evidence for any of them. It would be
>interesting however if science could get a
>handle on exactly what is happening when the
>brain reports it is a conscious Self.
>casey

*At conception, the entire genetic blueprint of a new individual is formed.
Chromosomes contain tightly packed, tightly coiled molecules called DNA.
*The heart begins beating 3 weeks and one day following fertilization.
*Individualized brainwaves recorded via electroencephalogram have been reported
as early as 6 weeks, 2 days.
*By 9 weeks thumb sucking begins and the fetus may swallow amniotic fluid. The
fetus can also grasp an object, move the head forward and back, open and close
the jaw, move the tongue, sigh, and stretch.
*By 9 weeks, the nerve receptors in the face, palms of the hands, and soles of
the feet can sense and respond to light touch. Following a light touch on the
sole of the foot, the fetus will bend the hip and knee and may curl the toes.
*An infant’s delicate, little fingernails actually begin growing just 10 weeks
after fertilization - as do fingerprints. These patterns can be used for
identification throughout life.
http://www.ehd.org/

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <hZ-dnTdjse3EZAvS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

<bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

> Abortion Is Genocide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
>see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget

>that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in

>winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the

>political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
>rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day

>in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
>experienced.
>

** TBRC thinking requirements:
1. All abortions are for convenience of the mother.
2. There is no such thing as miscarriage.
3. There is no such thing as a fatal birth defect.
4. The road to Hell is paved with condoms and condom wrappers stuck
together with semen.
5. DNA screening of fetuses is the work of Satan.

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[Rockinghorse Winner]

Attila <<proc...@here.now> writes:

>On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:04:57 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>in alt.abortion with message-id
><hZ-dnTdjse3EZAvS...@posted.localnet> wrote:

>> Abortion Is Genocide

>Balderdash and poppycock.


>Are humans an endangered species?

_Caring_ humans are, indeed.

>--
>Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom

>Every illegal alien is a criminal.
>No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
>Deportation upon identification as the only option.

>Support H.R.140 - Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
>Support extending Alabama immigration laws to every state.
>Bonehead O'Bysmal, the Clown-in-Chief, should be unemployed in 2013 or sooner.

>Religion is the worst monstrosity ever fostered upon the
>human species. Only mental defectives would pay the
>slightest attention to it.

>Why should any religion be considered a foreign nation
>with Ambassadors and diplomatic immunity?

>Michael Vick should be stripped naked and put in a pit
>with at least a dozen of his dogs.
--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
-Albert Schweitzer

badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

[Don Martin]

"L. Raymond" <badaddress@....com> wrote:
> casey wrote:
>

>> It seems to me a view of convenience to say a fetus
>> is not an individual simply because it is unwanted.
>

> You have it backwards. The parasitic growth inside a woman's body is
> considered an individual by some people because they want it.
>

Not that they want it so bady that they adopt it, should it happen to get
born.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[Don Martin]

casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 9:31 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> Incidentally, should you ever be the victim of a
>> violent crime, you may comfort yourself with the
>> fact that your assailant has a very good chance
>> of being an unwanted child who was NOT aborted.
>> "Unwanted" does not evaporate post partum.
>
> That has nothing to do with the personhood or
> otherwise of some stage of human life.
>
> I am not making any moral or ethical judgments
> only asking when are we physically a person as
> opposed to a collection of cells.

Drawing of the first breath worked for Adam as such a transformation; one
presumes Jahweh concurs. Our laws on abortion impose different statuses
per each trimester, with the third granting the most rights to the fetus.
It does at least have some brain then. My point above goes to the quality
of human life rather than to its legal status. Antiabortionists sneer at
the prospective mother's selfishness in seeking the "convenience" of the
termination of the pregnancy, but ignore the fact that the psychological
damage of being unwanted by one's own mother can be severe and productive
of antisocial, but legal, persons. Abuse by dad (or Father Ryan) appears
to do less harm to the kid, at least in terms of violent behaviors.

[Patrick]

"Seth lePod" <v.infe...@gmail.com> wrote

"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
of about 4,000 a day"...

Are you aware that in the natural course of
things -- natural, with no human intervention
involved -- only about one in four fertilized
eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
term?

+ Yes, I am aware of that.
+ Were you aware that: Car Crash Stats:
There were nearly 6420000 auto accidents in the
United States in 2005. The financial cost of
these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars.

[Martin Sheen]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:04:57 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>

wrote:

> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> see that?

There are 7 billion homo sapiens walking around on the planet, it doesn't
matter that a few million are aborted every year. The nice thing about
biological organism is that they can reproduce very easily. Now if a
species is in danger of extinction it is important to try and save that
species, but the individual biological entity is irrelevant.

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
>>which results in reproductive success. There
>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>>one way or the other.
>
>I have evidence that God exists.

Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.

Not even your church claims to have evidence. But that never stops
Earl thinking himself somehow gifted.....he is, but not in a good way.

"Isn't Ireland to the south of London."
"And I never said South."
"I never lie"
- duke (Earl J Weber)

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 25, 4:35 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> >:
>
> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> >> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> >> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> >> experienced.
>
> >>http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html
>


:
> >"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
> >of about 4,000 a day"...
:
> >Are you aware that in the natural course of
> >things -- natural, with no human intervention
> >involved -- only about one in four fertilized
> >eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
> >term?

:
> And this gives you an opportunity to murder some on your own?

Me? Never aborted a single zygote in my
life.

However, if I did, even devoting the rest of
my life to the task, I couldn't remotely
approach the number that your indifferent god
lets die every day.

> The majority fail implant, others abort
> >spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
> >always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
> >had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
> >hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.

> >A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
> >to a figure of three quarters of a million
> >"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
> >completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
> >your 4,000.
:
> I'm going to get you a professional position of "counter". Would you like that?

Was that your "Math class is tough!" Barbie impression?

:

> >If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> >little persons,
:
> They are 100% guaranteed to be human life.

"human life" which your god allows to wash
out the vagina at a rate of several hundred
thousand a day.

Why does he permit that?

Seth

HERE

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:08:42 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<rwi...@badass.edu> wrote:

>>Are humans an endangered species?
>
>_Caring_ humans are, indeed.

Is that the same caring humans who let millions of children die each
year because they cannot be bothered to control population growth and
leave them in poverty?

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[Paul Duca]

On Apr 24, 3:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> We need warm bodies to fill our pews and collection plates!

[Syd M.]

On Apr 25, 7:40 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> >> that it involves the destruction of human life.
>
> >It involves the destruction of *human tissue*.  Not yet a human being.
>
> Correction - human life, it tis

Not.
You are still wrong, Dork.

> >? We get so caught up in
> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children
>
> >Hold the phone, Sparky; got any objective, verifiable evidence that
> >*any* god *actually exists*?  Because until and unless you do, you're
> >just blathering about nonexistent beings.
>
> Got any that he doesn't?
>
> > at the rate of about 4,000 a day.
>
> >Well thank Dog for that!  This planet is already hopelessly
> >overcrowded.  Where are you going to find jobs and housing for an
> >extra 4,000 people a day?  We can't adequately take care of the ones
> >we've already got!
>
> >> If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> >> experienced.
>
> >Yeah, well, there's a difference between losing 4,000 non-sentient,
> >non-conscious bits of meat
>
> That' God says are HIS.
>

No.

> > that *might someday* turn into babies, and
> >losing 4,000 independent, sentient, conscious *adults*.  There's no
> >comparison.
>
> That's why hell exists.
>

PROVE it, Earl the liar.

PDW

[Syd M.]

On Apr 25, 7:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> >> little persons, I cannot understand why they
> >> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
> >> night over this monstrous number of "God's
> >> Children" that their God lets die every day,
> >> day in and day out, year after year after
> >> year.
>
> >> Seth
> >Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >which results in reproductive success. There
> >is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >one way or the other.
>
> I have evidence that God exists.
>

And yet, you refuse to post it here.
How quant.
Almost like it's, ya know, yet another LIE.

PDW

[Paul Duca]

On Apr 25, 2:19 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote

>
> "We are destroying God's Children at the rate
> of about 4,000 a day"...
>

If God can't be bothered to support His Children, why are WE expected
to?


Paul

[Syd M.]

On Apr 25, 7:25 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> We need hard Laws mandating Death
> to anyone participating in Abortion.

Dream on, loser.

PDW

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 25, 4:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> *An infant?s delicate, little fingernails actually begin growing just 10 weeks

> after fertilization - as do fingerprints. These patterns can be used for
> identification throughout life.
> http://www.ehd.org/

Pretty wonderous.

So, why does your God let three quarters of a
million of these little marvels die every
day?


Seth

[Paul Duca]

On Apr 25, 7:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

\

But it can still turn into a piece of garbage like Duke....


Paul

[duke]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Now you and case and butt naked all know.

>So, why does your God let three quarters of a
>million of these little marvels die every
>day?

Hell, 100% of all living things die - guaranteed.

[duke]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 25, 4:35 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> >>       Abortion Is Genocide

>> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
>> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
>> >> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
>> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
>> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
>> >> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
>> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
>> >> experienced.
>>
>> >>http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html

>> >"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
>> >of about 4,000 a day"...
>:
>> >Are you aware that in the natural course of
>> >things -- natural, with no human intervention
>> >involved -- only about one in four fertilized
>> >eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
>> >term?

>> And this gives you an opportunity to murder some on your own?

>Me? Never aborted a single zygote in my
>life.

But you stand in support of it making you an accessory to the action.

>However, if I did, even devoting the rest of
>my life to the task, I couldn't remotely
>approach the number that your indifferent god
>lets die every day.

100% of all living things die.

>> The majority fail implant, others abort
>> >spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
>> >always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
>> >had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
>> >hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.
>
>> >A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
>> >to a figure of three quarters of a million
>> >"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
>> >completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
>> >your 4,000.

>> I'm going to get you a professional position of "counter". Would you like that?
>Was that your "Math class is tough!" Barbie impression?

You sounded like you would want the job.

>> >If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
>> >little persons,
>> They are 100% guaranteed to be human life.

>"human life" which your god allows to wash
>out the vagina at a rate of several hundred
>thousand a day.

No, they will pay.

>Why does he permit that?

To declare you final desire - God or satan. You stand in support making you an
accessory to murder.

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 25, 11:19 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Seth lePod" <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote

OK then. I had thought that the deaths of
three quarters of a millon of "God's
Children" every day -- that's a quarter of a
billion per year -- might be a cause of some
concern to you, given that for some reason you
pretended to think a miniscule 4,000 a day
somehow wasn't just down in the noise.

My bad.

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>

Something your god exhibits an admirable
efficiency at -- preventing a quarter of a
billion a year from even being born in
the first place.

Saves wear and tear on the ovens,
doncha know.

Seth

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:44:45 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Pretty wonderous.
>
>Now you and case and butt naked all know.

Earl will you go to a private bar to pick up men. It is disgusting
watching you do it here

"I can take you two gobblers"
- duke (Earl Weber)
touting for sex online

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:44:45 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>So, why does your God let three quarters of a
>>million of these little marvels die every
>>day?
>
>Hell, 100% of all living things die - guaranteed.

Liar:

Turritopsis nutricula

"Anyone know what a "mass card" is?"
-duke (Earl J Weber)

[W.T.S.]

In article <q8ofp7pk1vi0t7obu...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>       Abortion Is Genocide
> >>
> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> >> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> >> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> >> experienced.
> >

> >> http://www.OurCatholicFilth.org/Lies/Disinformation/Propaganda/

> >
> >"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
> >of about 4,000 a day"...
> >
> >Are you aware that in the natural course of
> >things -- natural, with no human intervention
> >involved -- only about one in four fertilized
> >eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
> >term?
>

> And this gives you an opportunity to murder some on your own?

No baby is involved in any abortion. Stop being such a constant liar,
"duke"!

>
> The majority fail implant, others abort
> >spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
> >always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
> >had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
> >hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.
> >
> >A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
> >to a figure of three quarters of a million
> >"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
> >completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
> >your 4,000.
>
> I'm going to get you a professional position of "counter". Would you like that?

You need to renounce Catholicism, "duke", before you totally fuck up
what's left of your life.

>
> >If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> >little persons,
>

> They are 100% guaranteed to be human life.

Pure, lying bull shit. They are 100% guaranteed to be nothing but fetus
filth. Why do you lie so much, "duke"?

>
> > I cannot understand why they
> >do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
> >night over this monstrous number of "God's
> >Children" that their God lets die every day,
> >day in and day out, year after year after
> >year.
> >
> >Seth
> >

> puke, CatholiKKK Liar - CatholiKKK Stool.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38

[Rockinghorse Winner]

Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

>On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
>>>which results in reproductive success. There
>>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>>>one way or the other.
>>
>>I have evidence that God exists.

>Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.

You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?

Terry

[W.T.S.]

In article <8iogp7tlmc2vstoo3...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 25, 4:35 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >> >>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> >> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> >> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> >> >> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
> >> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> >> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> >> >> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> >> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> >> >> experienced.
> >>

> >> >>http://www.OurCatholicFilth.org/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/

>
> >> >"We are destroying God's Children at the rate
> >> >of about 4,000 a day"...
> >:
> >> >Are you aware that in the natural course of
> >> >things -- natural, with no human intervention
> >> >involved -- only about one in four fertilized
> >> >eggs, zygotes, "God's Children" makes it to
> >> >term?
>
> >> And this gives you an opportunity to murder some on your own?
>
> >Me? Never aborted a single zygote in my
> >life.
>
> But you stand in support of it making you an accessory to the action.

Look at me! I aborted three of mine. I helped many others abort. I
support and vote for abortion. I feel good about that. You should too.

>
> >However, if I did, even devoting the rest of
> >my life to the task, I couldn't remotely
> >approach the number that your indifferent god
> >lets die every day.
>
> 100% of all living things die.

100% of "God" never existed.

>
> >> The majority fail implant, others abort
> >> >spontaneously in the first trimester, almost
> >> >always unnoticed. Gynecologists and obstetricians
> >> >had long suspected it; our ability now to measure
> >> >hGC in blood or urine confirms their intuitions.
> >
> >> >A quick estimate based on that numbers leads
> >> >to a figure of three quarters of a million
> >> >"natural abortions" -- each and every day. A
> >> >completely natural occurrence that dwarfs
> >> >your 4,000.
>
> >> I'm going to get you a professional position of "counter". Would you like that?
> >Was that your "Math class is tough!" Barbie impression?
>

> >> >If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> >> >little persons,
> >> They are 100% guaranteed to be human life.

They are 100% guaranteed to not be any sort of human life. They're just
fetus filth.

>
> >"human life" which your god allows to wash
> >out the vagina at a rate of several hundred
> >thousand a day.
>
> No, they will pay.

No, they won't.

>
> >Why does he permit that?

Because "God" is a lie.

>
> To declare you final desire - God or satan. You stand in support making you an
> accessory to murder.

"God" and "Satan" are both lies, just a con game of the CatholiKKK
Church.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - CatholiKKK Stool.

[W.T.S.]

In article <rcofp7d5mn605fhm4...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:12:23 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 24, 12:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> >>       Abortion Is Genocide
> >>
> >> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> >> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> >> that it involves the destruction of human life.
> >

> >It involves the destruction of *human tissue*. Not yet a human being.
>

> Correction - human life, it tis.
Bull shit. Why do you insist on your constant lying, "duke"?
>
> >? We get so caught up in

> >> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> >> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children
> >

> >Hold the phone, Sparky; got any objective, verifiable evidence that
> >*any* god *actually exists*? Because until and unless you do, you're
> >just blathering about nonexistent beings.
>

> > at the rate of about 4,000 a day.
> >

> >Well thank Dog for that! This planet is already hopelessly
> >overcrowded. Where are you going to find jobs and housing for an
> >extra 4,000 people a day? We can't adequately take care of the ones
> >we've already got!
> >

> >> If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> >> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> >> experienced.
> >

> >Yeah, well, there's a difference between losing 4,000 non-sentient,
> >non-conscious bits of meat
>
> That' God says are HIS.

There is no "God", "duke", stop lying and trying to con us all. It
doesn't work anymore.

>
> > that *might someday* turn into babies, and
> >losing 4,000 independent, sentient, conscious *adults*. There's no
> >comparison.
>
> That's why hell exists.

No, it doesn't, "duke".
>
> >Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> >BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> >EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> >skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> >skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>
> duke,

[W.T.S.]

In article <hlofp7pbrhdf72jue...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [...]

> >> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are

> >> little persons, I cannot understand why they

> >> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
> >> night over this monstrous number of "God's
> >> Children" that their God lets die every day,
> >> day in and day out, year after year after
> >> year.
> >>
> >> Seth
>

> >Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >which results in reproductive success. There
> >is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >one way or the other.
>
> I have evidence that God exists.

No, you don't. That con game no longer works, "duke".

>
> >It depends on what kind of society you want to
> >live in and how you want to value other human
> >beings.
>

> Catholics are dirty animals.
Well, at least you got that right, "duke". Nice of you to finally admit
it. Your next step is to renounce, denounce, and repudiate the Catholic
Church. You'll be free then.

>
> >There are various religious notions about life
> >but if you take the soul in the body notion
> >then death of a body wouldn't matter just shove
> >the soul into another body. Some religions
> >think this happens anyway with reincarnation.
> >
> >They all sound like fairy tales to me and there
> >is no evidence for any of them. It would be
> >interesting however if science could get a
> >handle on exactly what is happening when the
> >brain reports it is a conscious Self.
> >casey
>

Life only begins at birth, never at conception. That is a proven,
scientific fact.

>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man - CatholiKKK Stool.

[casey]

Because we are here and God isn't?

Caring for children has a reproductive advantage.

Gentic variation means we are not all equal in that caring.

Natural selection will decide the outcome.

Casey

[W.T.S.]

In article <hgogp7t446si2d5jc...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 25, 4:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
> >> >> little persons, I cannot understand why they
> >> >> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
> >> >> night over this monstrous number of "God's
> >> >> Children" that their God lets die every day,
> >> >> day in and day out, year after year after
> >> >> year.
> >>
> >> >> Seth
> >> >Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >> >which results in reproductive success. There
> >> >is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >> >one way or the other.
> >>

> >> I have no evidence that God exists.

> >>
> >> >It depends on what kind of society you want to
> >> >live in and how you want to value other human
> >> >beings.
> >>

> >> Catholics are dirty animals.

> >>
> >> >There are various religious notions about life
> >> >but if you take the soul in the body notion
> >> >then death of a body wouldn't matter just shove
> >> >the soul into another body. Some religions
> >> >think this happens anyway with reincarnation.
> >>
> >> >They all sound like fairy tales to me and there
> >> >is no evidence for any of them. It would be
> >> >interesting however if science could get a
> >> >handle on exactly what is happening when the
> >> >brain reports it is a conscious Self.
> >> >casey
> >

> Life begins at birth, never at conception. This is a proven,
> scientific fact.
> >
> >Pretty wonderous.
>
> The Pope is butt naked.

>
> >So, why does your God let three quarters of a
> >million of these little marvels die every
> >day?
>
> Hell, 100% of all living things die - guaranteed.

And that's an excellent reason for abortion. With abortion, things can
at least live a normal, decent life.
>
> >Seth
> >
> >> puke, CatholiKKK Stool.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Con Man.

[W.T.S.]

In article <7q5m69-...@badass.edu>, rwi...@badass.edu says...

> Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
> >On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >>>which results in reproductive success. There
> >>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >>>one way or the other.
> >>
> >>I have evidence that God exists.
>
> >Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
>
> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?

What a con game! We already have proof that "God" is just a lie. What
more do you want?
>
> Terry

[elizabeth]

On Apr 25, 2:09 pm, Rockinghorse Winner <rwin...@badass.edu> wrote:
> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> >On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >>>which results in reproductive success. There
> >>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >>>one way or the other.
>
> >>I have evidence that God exists.
> >Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
>
> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?
>
> Terry
>
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

And supposin' you be wrong, and there is no god, how will you know
for sure if you're dead and there is no afterlife?

[Rockinghorse Winner]

Have faith - he's coming!

[BroilJAB]

When a women kills only begotten,
her child, or HAS killed her child, she
must immediately understand that she
shall be Legally Executed by being hanged
to death in chains. The sooner launched into
Hell, the sooner the real sentence begins.

[SkyEyes]

On Apr 25, 2:09 pm, Rockinghorse Winner <rwin...@badass.edu> wrote:

> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> >On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >>>which results in reproductive success. There
> >>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >>>one way or the other.
>
> >>I have evidence that God exists.
> >Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
>
> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?

Yeah. Veiled threats. That's all you theists have, isn't it?

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Apr 25, 2:09?pm, Rockinghorse Winner <rwin...@badass.edu> wrote:
>> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>> >On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
>> >>>which results in reproductive success. There
>> >>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>> >>>one way or the other.
>>
>> >>I have evidence that God exists.
>> >Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
>>
>> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
>> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?
>
> Yeah. Veiled threats. That's all you theists have, isn't it?

Not a veiled threat. Meeting the just and living God is the final end of us
all. I was just trying to get across that it's better to be ready than not.

So, the proof is coming. The point is, will we be ready for it when it
arrives?

[casey]

On Apr 26, 4:38 pm, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>
wrote:
> [...]

> So, the proof is coming.

So I take that to mean there is no proof yet
so no rational reason to believe.

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <rwi...@badass.edu> skrev i meddelelsen
news:7q5m69-...@badass.edu...

> Alan Ferris <hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
>>>>which results in reproductive success. There
>>>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>>>>one way or the other.
>>>
>>>I have evidence that God exists.
>
>>Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
>
> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?

In other words you have no evidence. Why didn't you just admit that from
the beginning?

>
> Terry
>
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <rwi...@badass.edu> skrev i meddelelsen

news:55hm69-...@badass.edu...

So you say. Others say that Joseph Smith was shown the Book of Mormon.

>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:slrnjphrb7.d1g....@badass.edu...

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>

snip

>>> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will
>>> get
>>> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?
>>
>> Yeah. Veiled threats. That's all you theists have, isn't it?
>
> Not a veiled threat. Meeting the just and living God is the final end of
> us
> all. I was just trying to get across that it's better to be ready than
> not.
>
> So, the proof is coming. The point is, will we be ready for it when it
> arrives?

No, the point is that we have no reason to believe you or any of the other
competing theist claims.

>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

[BroilJAB]

Let every woman be aware:
If you choose to murder your child,
you also choose Hell for yourself.

[W.T.S.]

In article <slrnjphrb7.d1g....@badass.edu>,
badass....@gmx.com says...

> * It may have been the liquor talking, but
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 25, 2:09?pm, Rockinghorse Winner <rwin...@badass.edu> wrote:
> >> Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> >> >On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:43:12 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >>>Caring about these things is a human emotion
> >> >>>which results in reproductive success. There
> >> >>>is no evidence that any God exists who cares
> >> >>>one way or the other.
> >>
> >> >>I have evidence that God exists.
> >> >Yet in over 2 decades have never presented it.
> >>
> >> You'll have your proof. You just have to wait your turn. Everyone will get
> >> the proof they want. The question is, how much time have you got?
> >
> > Yeah. Veiled threats. That's all you theists have, isn't it?
>
> Not a veiled threat. Meeting the just and living God is the final end of us
> all. I was just trying to get across that it's better to be ready than not.

Do you have any better a con game than this?

>
> So, the proof is coming. The point is, will we be ready for it when it
> arrives?

And you'll have your Nigerian fortune the moment you advance me
$50,000.00. Just don't open the strong box until after I've left town.
Be ready to live it up on your new millions.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Apr 24, 8:04 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget

> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in

> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the

> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day

> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> experienced.
>

> http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html

Try and think rationally.

Is the problem abortion?

Or is the problem the legislation?

The truth is it is the legislation.

At least in the USA.

Why do I say this?

Because your legislation allows one thing.

Abortion on demand.

If you remove that factor or at least restrict it.

Guess what will happen?

The number of abortions being carried out would drop significantly.

But I guess you so-called pro-lifers want to stop all abortions.

Regardless of the fact that women will die as a result of such a
complete ban.

[W.T.S.]

In article <56509e6f-66cd-4aec-b3b1-
a56863...@v1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, manky...@gmail.com says...

It would also cause gave physical injury to thousands of women, destroy
the lives and futures of tens of thousands of women, destroy the
families of thousands upon thousands of women, create a huge social
problem with hundreds of thousands of unwanted children every year who
would have no futures except prison, cost the taxpayers billions upon
billions of dollars every year, all for the sake of something that isn't
even a baby, the _fetus_! No baby is involved in any abortion. And it
doesn't stop there. The pro-liars want an end to comprehensive sex
education, effective contraception, sterilization, and anything else
that would reduce the need for abortion; the pro-liar, forced-birthers
want to throw gasoline on the fire. In a few decades, the Earth would
become a stinking cesspool of over population such as the world has
never seen, and that includes such delights as not enough fresh drinking
water, epidemics, famines, and a host of social breakdowns. But, that's
fine with the anti-choice, pro-liars, they don't care just as long as
more child filth is born, even if the child's life is short and
miserable. It's the kind of people they are.

[duke]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:24:57 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>

>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 25, 4:43 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT), casey <jgkjca...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >On Apr 25, 12:32 pm, Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> [...]
>> >> >> If pro-lifers truly believe that zygotes are
>> >> >> little persons, I cannot understand why they
>> >> >> do not wail and gnash their teeth day and
>> >> >> night over this monstrous number of "God's
>> >> >> Children" that their God lets die every day,
>> >> >> day in and day out, year after year after
>> >> >> year.
>>
>> >> >> Seth

>> >> >Caring about these things is a human emotion
>> >> >which results in reproductive success. There
>> >> >is no evidence that any God exists who cares
>> >> >one way or the other.
>>
>> >> I have evidence that God exists.
>>

>> >> >It depends on what kind of society you want to
>> >> >live in and how you want to value other human
>> >> >beings.
>>

>> >> Baby killers are dirty animals.

>>
>> >> >There are various religious notions about life
>> >> >but if you take the soul in the body notion
>> >> >then death of a body wouldn't matter just shove
>> >> >the soul into another body. Some religions
>> >> >think this happens anyway with reincarnation.
>>
>> >:
>> >> >They all sound like fairy tales to me and there
>> >> >is no evidence for any of them. It would be
>> >> >interesting however if science could get a
>> >> >handle on exactly what is happening when the
>> >> >brain reports it is a conscious Self.
>> >> >casey

>> >:
>> >> *At conception, the entire genetic blueprint of a new individual is formed.
>> >> Chromosomes contain tightly packed, tightly coiled molecules called DNA.
>> >>  *The heart begins beating 3 weeks and one day following fertilization.
>> >>  *Individualized brainwaves recorded via electroencephalogram have been reported
>> >> as early as 6 weeks, 2 days.
>> >>  *By 9 weeks thumb sucking begins and the fetus may swallow amniotic fluid. The
>> >> fetus can also grasp an object, move the head forward and back, open and close
>> >> the jaw, move the tongue, sigh, and stretch.
>> >>  *By 9 weeks, the nerve receptors in the face, palms of the hands, and soles of
>> >> the feet can sense and respond to light touch. Following a light touch on the
>> >> sole of the foot, the fetus will bend the hip and knee and may curl the toes.
>> >>  *An infant?s delicate, little fingernails actually begin growing just 10 weeks
>> >> after fertilization - as do fingerprints. These patterns can be used for
>> >> identification throughout life.
>> >>  http://www.ehd.org/
>>
>> >Pretty wonderous.
>>
>> Now you and case and butt naked all know.
>:

>> >So, why does your God let three quarters of a
>> >million of these little marvels die every
>> >day?
>:
>> Hell, 100% of all living things die - guaranteed.

>Something your god exhibits an admirable
>efficiency at -- preventing a quarter of a
>billion a year from even being born in
>the first place.

And then (woe)men do their share in butchering their own unborn for their own
comfort and convenience.

>Saves wear and tear on the ovens,
>doncha know.
>Seth

Yep, you're a sicko.

duke, American - American

*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[Dakota]

On 4/26/2012 4:49 AM, Devils Advocaat wrote:
> On Apr 24, 8:04 pm, "Patrick"<barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>> Abortion Is Genocide
>>
>> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
>> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
>> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
>> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
>> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
>> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
>> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
>> experienced.
>>
>> http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html
>
> Try and think rationally.
>
> Is the problem abortion?
>
> Or is the problem the legislation?
>
> The truth is it is the legislation.
>
> At least in the USA.
>
> Why do I say this?
>
> Because your legislation allows one thing.
>
> Abortion on demand.
>
> If you remove that factor or at least restrict it.
>

How can you remove the 'on demand' factor? There is a window of
opportunity for the procedure and on for so-called morning-after pill.
Some restrictions have already been enacted such as on late-term
abortions. What other restrictions would you recommend?

>
> Guess what will happen?
>
> The number of abortions being carried out would drop significantly.
>

The number of abortions being legally carried out might drop but the
total number might not change much.

[W.T.S.]

In article <ic8ip79j67k15jtt1...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

Goodness, "duke", you're still a lying sack of shit, I see. There's no
such thing as an "unborn"! And, I see you're still spitting into the
face of women everywhere by referring to their entire lives, health and
futures as "comfort and convenience", about which, you know nothing.
Hint: Don't you think just about any woman, or man, understands the
real meaning of your slogan, "comfort and convenience"? Only a truly
stupid ass hole wouldn't understand. Would it help if we burdened you
with an unwanted bastard child for 18 years? I think you'd change your
tune afterwards, especially if you had to work in a factory to support
the little darling and no suitable spouse to help.
Damn, you're actually a stupid, ignorant liar, "duke"!

>
> >Saves wear and tear on the ovens,
> >doncha know.
> >Seth
>

> Yep, I'm a sicko.
>
> puke, CatholiKKK Stool.

[Rockinghorse Winner]

* It may have been the liquor talking, but

casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> On Apr 26, 4:38?pm, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>

You must distinguish between rational proof and experimental proof based on
evidence. Most of the smart people through the ages who believed in God had
no experimental proof of God. However, they found the rational proofs
compelling.

So, yes, there is definitely a rational basis for the existence of God, but
no evidentiary proof beyond what is usually referred to as the proof from
design and it's many variants. JMHO.

[thomas p.]

"Rockinghorse Winner" <badass....@gmx.com> skrev i meddelelsen

news:slrnjpimm5.erh....@badass.edu...

>* It may have been the liquor talking, but
> casey <jgkj...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 26, 4:38?pm, Rockinghorse Winner <badass.super...@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> So, the proof is coming.
>>
>> So I take that to mean there is no proof yet
>> so no rational reason to believe.
>
> You must distinguish between rational proof and experimental proof based
> on
> evidence. Most of the smart people through the ages who believed in God
> had
> no experimental proof of God. However, they found the rational proofs
> compelling.

So?

>
> So, yes, there is definitely a rational basis for the existence of God,
> but
> no evidentiary proof beyond what is usually referred to as the proof from
> design and it's many variants. JMHO.

All of which have been refuted, but you do not really care about reason or
logic.

>
>
>
> Terry
> --
> "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
> -Albert Schweitzer
>
> badass linux - 3.2.12-gentoo

[Xeudon]

On Apr 25, 7:04 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>       Abortion Is Genocide
>
> Abortion is literally a life and death issue. How can we as a society not
> see that? We sometimes get caught up in the politics of the issue and forget
> that it involves the destruction of human life. We get so caught up in
> winning our debate points over an opponent on the other side of the
> political fence that we forget that we are destroying God's Children at the
> rate of about 4,000 a day. If we were losing that many servicemen each day
> in combat there would be a nationwide outcry of a magnitude never
> experienced.
>
> http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/abortion.html

The website you quote says "this is not a women's rights issue."

Well... In a way it *is*, actually. The pro-abortionists try to
pretend that it's a women's right to "control her own fertility". By
putting it that way, they hope to steer the argument away from a
woman's right to motherhood.

It's a women's rights issue in the sense that they're trying to coerce
the mother into throwing away her right to continue her motherhood,
and we're trying to defend her rights as a mother. The reality is that
they're attacking women's rights and we're defending them. Of course,
we're also defending the rights of our young sons and daughters to
remain alive.

The ancient law "Thou shalt not kill" means exactly what it says.

XC

[Mike Painter]

On 4/26/2012 7:25 AM, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:

A while back.

" Facts start out as theories, and then when enough evidence accumulates
become fact. There is no hard and fast rules as to what is fact and
what is theory. Nevertheless, 'facts' can be overturned quite easily,
either slowly through the accumulation of new knowledge"

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:23:33 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<rwi...@badass.edu> wrote:

>Have faith - he's coming!

Tell him to use a rubber.


--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 23:38:31 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<badass....@gmx.com> wrote:

>> Yeah. Veiled threats. That's all you theists have, isn't it?
>
>Not a veiled threat. Meeting the just and living God is the final end of us
>all. I was just trying to get across that it's better to be ready than not.

What are you going to do if you find out the Hindus were right all
along?

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:25:09 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
<badass....@gmx.com> wrote:

>> So I take that to mean there is no proof yet
>> so no rational reason to believe.
>
>You must distinguish between rational proof and experimental proof

Rational proof is experimental. I think you meant to compare
irrational and rational proof. All you have presented is your
irrational beliefs that you have tried to claim proof for but have
successfully argued the opposite.

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:23:22 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>>Something your god exhibits an admirable
>>efficiency at -- preventing a quarter of a
>>billion a year from even being born in
>>the first place.
>
>And then (woe)men do their share in butchering their own unborn for their own
>comfort and convenience.

And then those who defend rapists of children like yourself. I know
which I consider worse.

"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
your priest?"
- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse by priests

[Patrick]

"Devils Advocaat" <manky...@gmail.com> wrote

Is the problem abortion?
Or is the problem the legislation?
The truth is it is the legislation.
At least in the USA.
Why do I say this?
Because your legislation allows one thing.
Abortion on demand.
If you remove that factor or at least restrict it.
Guess what will happen?
The number of abortions being carried out would drop significantly.
But I guess you so-called pro-lifers want to stop all abortions.
Regardless of the fact that women will die as a result of such a
complete ban.

+ You do not understand.
+ MY feelings are exactly the same.
+ Pro-lifers are foolish if they wish to stop all abortions.
+ An abortion should be between the woman, her doctor and her God.
+ Legislation screws it all up.
+ Especially when legislation demands that I pay for a procedure
that inconveniences some slut who can't close her legs.

[Patrick]

"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote

+ Here he goes again with his lies.....

> It would also cause gave physical injury to thousands of women,

BULL SHIT.
The mother always comes before the fetus.

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:24:10 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote
>
>+ Here he goes again with his lies.....

"+I have told you, I do not learn, I will never learn.
+God said let them lie, so I lie." - P Barker

"+ I lie about you." - P Barker

"+ Don't you worry about my false accusations.
+ I know exactly what I do." - P Barker

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:22:50 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>+ An abortion should be between the woman, her doctor

Totally agree, the church should get out of peoples private lives.

"+ My parents were never married."
- P Barker 29Dec2001 admitting he is illegitimate