Church in crisis as seminary shuts down.
Michael Painter
"Only one training facility remains in the republic. St Patrick's College in
Maynooth, Co Kildare, has vowed to remain open, but statistics showing only
57 nuns and priests in Ireland under 30 are not encouraging. Twenty-three
years ago a third of Ireland's population welcomed Pope John Paul II and
almost 90 per cent attended Mass regularly. Attendance is now as low as 5
per cent in some areas. "
Kumo Atsureki
<m.pa...@worldnet.att.net> posted
<Wwsc9.5379$jG2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, which
read:
Who says no news is good news?
Bob Dog
And in the US today, a new franchise of the cultholic
church opened for business, containing several stores
and a restaurant.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_cathedral_3
The ego and arrogance that it takes to waste money
this way is amazing. This building is "needed" the
way a convicted rapist needs a Playboy subscription.
Bob Dog
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New L.A. Cathedral Opens Its Doors
Mon Sep 2,11:01 AM ET
By PAUL WILBORN, Associated Press Writer
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The opening of the first new U.S.
Cathedral in 25 years comes as the Roman Catholic church
deals with economic problems and a sex abuse scandal, but
leaders say the landmark building is just what is needed
during these turbulent times.
The $195 million Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral -
intentionally a foot longer than New York's St. Patrick's
Cathedral - was scheduled to open Monday at a dedication
that was to draw on the diverse backgrounds of the
community.
Cardinal Roger Mahony, the leader of the nation's largest
Roman Catholic archdiocese, said the cathedral is
symbolic of the church's ability to withstand the turmoil.
"A cathedral is timeless in terms of human joys and
difficulties," Mahony said. "We've had over the course of
time and history many saints and sinners in the church.
The cathedral stands as its own reflection of God's
presence."
Protesters angered by the church's handling of sex abuse
allegations were expected among the thousands of priests
and visitors during the dedication ceremony outside the
cathedrals' thick, adobe-colored walls.
The cathedral is Spanish architect Rafael Moneo's
postmodern interpretation of California's original
Spanish missions, including sloping floors, high ceilings
and muted tapestries that depict saints and worshippers.
Artists and designers have added symbols from diverse
beliefs and languages as a way of welcoming everyone,
Mahony said.
The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from
around the world, and a disc-like water sculpture in the
entry is inscribed with the biblical phrase "I will give
you living water" in the 37 languages in which Mass is
celebrated throughout the archdiocese.
A procession of 565 priests, bishops, archbishops and
cardinals was to cross the cathedral plaza and walk down
the 333-foot-long nave. Mahony, five bishops and a
monsignor planned to bless the building.
Built on a hill overlooking the traffic-choked Hollywood
Freeway, the cathedral also stands as a reflection of
Mahony's commitment to the city's downtown.
Along with drawing from California's 9 million Catholics,
it is expected to draw tourists from Europe, South
America and Asia and become a focal point for
redevelopment of downtown.
There are no official projections, but tourism officials
hope the number will top the 6 million people that visit
St. Patrick's each year. The Staples Center, home of the
Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers, is nearby, and the
Disney Concert Hall is expected to open late next year
"The cathedral is another crown jewel in downtown," said
Carol Schatz, of the Central City Association, a downtown
development group. "What brings downtowns back to life
are a number of things, but one is architectural
masterpieces that give people a reason to come downtown."
The church itself has struggled financially as the stock
market decline has taken a deep bite out of the
archdiocese's budget, forcing cuts for ministry and
education by as much as 30 percent and a scaling back of
the opening celebrations.
Most of the $195 million to build the cathedral was
raised through private donations. A 6,000-space mausoleum,
built beneath the cathedral, along with a gift shop,
restaurant, conference center and a 600-car parking garage
should cover most expenses, Mahony said.
The design has drawn mixed reviews from the community.
Bill Scott, a county employee who has watched the
cathedral rise across the street from his office, said he
doesn't know what to make of it. "It doesn't look like a
church," he said. "It looks more like a fortress ... or a
prison."
Max DeMoss, a Riverside artist who created a number of
pieces for the cathedral, agreed with the fortress
description but said, he also gets "a sense of
exhilaration as I approach it."
The cardinal, who lives in a second-floor apartment that
overlooks the plaza, said he is pleased with the
finished product.
"The inside has a warmth and prayerfulness and
peacefulness to it that I wasn't sure we would reach,"
he said. "I just couldn't be more pleased."
Still daunting, though, is the shadow of the sex abuse
scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.
"While Cardinal Mahony is celebrating his building,
we'll be there to expose the lies and deceptions and
deceit, which has been the foundation many victims have
experienced in the church," said Mary Grant, who heads
a Southern California chapter of the Survivors Network
of Those Abused by Priests.
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Bored With the Bitch
So, even Ireland is growing up. Good on them!
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight | "The Truth against the World."
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our personal lord and saviour. Unfortunately, we later
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stoney
<Wwsc9.5379$jG2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Too bad such figures aren't prevalent in the U.S..
--
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
Bob Dog
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_cathedral_3
>
> The ego and arrogance that it takes to waste money
> this way is amazing. This building is "needed" the
> way a convicted rapist needs a Playboy subscription.
Cripes, I thought the arrogance was bad, but you have
to see the building itself. It looks like something
from DOOM or Quake. If I were a thievist, I'd call
this thing satanic.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_cathedral_6
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/020902/168/2634x.html
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/090202cathedral&tmpl=sl&e=1
Men with something to hide...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/090202cathedral&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=&l=&e=12&a=0&t=
And I don't know about you, but this pic scares me.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/090202cathedral&a=&tmpl=sl&e=5&l=&ns=
At least if they'd brought an NFL team to LA with
the $195 million, they might have done some good.
Bob Dog
Michael Painter
""Bored With the Bitch"" <fire...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:752EC03916761E31.04869A68...@lp.airnews.net...
> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:56:06 GMT, "Michael Painter"
> <m.pa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,784109,00.html
> >
> >"Only one training facility remains in the republic. St Patrick's College
in
> >Maynooth, Co Kildare, has vowed to remain open, but statistics showing
only
> >57 nuns and priests in Ireland under 30 are not encouraging. Twenty-three
> >years ago a third of Ireland's population welcomed Pope John Paul II and
> >almost 90 per cent attended Mass regularly. Attendance is now as low as 5
> >per cent in some areas. "
>
> So, even Ireland is growing up. Good on them!
>
the punchline of a joke involving an Irish priest.
Marc Lechowicz
"Bob Dog" <bg1...@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:4fa573de.02090...@posting.google.com...
>
> And in the US today, a new franchise of the cultholic
> church opened for business, containing several stores
> and a restaurant.
>
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_ca
thedral_3
>
And just how many starving people would that $195 million have fed?
--
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Michael Painter
"Marc Lechowicz" <marc.le...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3d74f...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com...
>
> "Bob Dog" <bg1...@apexmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4fa573de.02090...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > And in the US today, a new franchise of the cultholic
> > church opened for business, containing several stores
> > and a restaurant.
> >
> >
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_ca
> thedral_3
> >
>
> And just how many starving people would that $195 million have fed?
>
religious retreats, homes for the staff, and time off for prayer meetings;
Maybe 20.
The sad answer is not many compared to the number in need. The christian
children's fund says 30,000 a DAY die of hunger. That's 11 million a year
and that means that these kids would get less than $20.00 a year in
additional food.
So man would have to decide the best way to maximize this small amount of
money while their god checks out his new digs and compares lengths to see
who has the bigger one.
Angelico
stoney <sto...@the.net> tapped on my shoulder and told me:
> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:56:06 GMT, "Michael Painter"
> <m.pa...@worldnet.att.net>, Message ID:
> <Wwsc9.5379$jG2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
> alt.atheism;
>
> >http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,784109,00.html
> >
> >"Only one training facility remains in the republic. St Patrick's College in
> >Maynooth, Co Kildare, has vowed to remain open, but statistics showing only
> >57 nuns and priests in Ireland under 30 are not encouraging. Twenty-three
> >years ago a third of Ireland's population welcomed Pope John Paul II and
> >almost 90 per cent attended Mass regularly. Attendance is now as low as 5
> >per cent in some areas. "
>
> Too bad such figures aren't prevalent in the U.S..
Everything takes its time, they didn't build Rome in a day :)
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stoney
Message ID: <4fa573de.02090...@posting.google.com> wrote
in alt.atheism;
>"Michael Painter" <m.pa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<Wwsc9.5379$jG2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,784109,00.html
>>
>> "Only one training facility remains in the republic. St Patrick's College in
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, has vowed to remain open, but statistics showing only
>> 57 nuns and priests in Ireland under 30 are not encouraging. Twenty-three
>> years ago a third of Ireland's population welcomed Pope John Paul II and
>> almost 90 per cent attended Mass regularly. Attendance is now as low as 5
>> per cent in some areas. "
>
>And in the US today, a new franchise of the cultholic
>church opened for business, containing several stores
>and a restaurant.
>
>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020902/ap_on_re_us/la_cathedral_3
>
>The ego and arrogance that it takes to waste money
>this way is amazing. This building is "needed" the
>way a convicted rapist needs a Playboy subscription.
Indeed. Provide basic water plumbing and waste handling
infrastructure or books for education? Or food to areas where there
is drought or other disaster? Don't be silly! The answer is to
build another cathedral and make sure it's just a little larger than
another one....(spit)
(snip)
stoney
Message ID: <ala8de$1p1dtk$3...@ID-90593.news.dfncis.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
>On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:10:41 -0700, while wandering by alt.atheism,
>stoney <sto...@the.net> tapped on my shoulder and told me:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:56:06 GMT, "Michael Painter"
>> <m.pa...@worldnet.att.net>, Message ID:
>> <Wwsc9.5379$jG2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> wrote in
>> alt.atheism;
>>
>> >http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,784109,00.html
>> >
>> >"Only one training facility remains in the republic. St Patrick's College in
>> >Maynooth, Co Kildare, has vowed to remain open, but statistics showing only
>> >57 nuns and priests in Ireland under 30 are not encouraging. Twenty-three
>> >years ago a third of Ireland's population welcomed Pope John Paul II and
>> >almost 90 per cent attended Mass regularly. Attendance is now as low as 5
>> >per cent in some areas. "
>>
>> Too bad such figures aren't prevalent in the U.S..
>
>Everything takes its time, they didn't build Rome in a day :)
(grumble) I know....it took a day and a half.... :)