What Really Happened On 9/11

[HVAC]

On Sept. 11, 2001, nineteen people, using knives and boxcutters,
hijacked four transcontinental airline flights and flew them toward
America's financial and political capitals of New York and Washington.

Three reached their targets: The first two struck the towers of the
World Trade Center, causing their collapse within hours, and the third
struck the Pentagon.

The pilot of the fourth plane crashed it into a field in Pennsylvania
after the passengers rose up against the hijackers.

American air defense fighters scrambled against the threats but were
ultimately misdirected and had no effect on the attacks.

In New York, where most of the nearly 3,000 fatalities took place, the
dead included 343 members of the New York Fire Department, including the
chief, 37 members of the Port Authority Police Department and 23 members
of the New York Police Department. Of between 16,400 and 18,800
civilians in the towers on 9-11, 2,152 died; the rest were successfully
evacuated. About 95 percent of the dead civilians worked in or above the
floors where the planes impacted.

The third plane came in low over the Arlington National Cemetery and
struck the western face of the Pentagon, penetrating through three of
the building's five rings. All 64 people on the plane, including the
five hijackers, were killed; 125 in the Pentagon also died.

U.S. suspicion immediately centered on al-Qaeda as well as Iraq, but
intercepted terrorist communications pinpointed Osama bin Laden's
network as responsible. Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders later took
credit for the operation.

CIA officers entered Afghanistan, al-Qaeda's home, almost immediately,
to reestablish contacts with fighters opposed to al-Qaeda's allies, the
Taliban, which controlled most of the country. The Taliban was ousted
from power within a few months, but many al-Qaeda leaders, including bin
Laden, escaped to Pakistan and Iran.

One of those leaders, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was the mastermind of the
attacks. He proposed such an operation to bin Laden in 1996; in late
1998 or early 1999, bin Laden approved it, and Mohamed Atef, Khalid
Shaikh Mohammed and bin Laden began assembling the hijacker teams.

Central to the plot was the "Hamburg Cell" a group of well-educated
Muslims who had become radicalized while living in Germany. The three
members -- Atta, Shehhi and Jarrah -- who could obtain U.S. visas
piloted three of the four aircraft hijacked on 9-11.

Also involved were two veteran al-Qaeda members, Mihdhar and Hazmi, who
tried and failed to become pilots. They ultimately served as muscle on
American Airlines 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. It was piloted by
Hani Hanjour, another al-Qaeda recruit with flying experience who was
added to the plot as it progressed.

Providing the bulk of the muscle were 13 young hijackers, 12 of them
Saudi, who were gathered and trained in Afghanistan. Many came from the
poorer parts of Saudi Arabia; most were unmarried and had no more than a
high school education. It is believed they were not briefed on details
of the plot until they reached the United States.

Other potential hijackers, comprising a slate of so-called "20th
hijackers," either quit the plot or were not allowed into the United States

The plan, as originally conceived by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, involved
hijacking 10 planes, 9 of which would be used as missiles. In addition
to the World Trade Center and Pentagon, additional targets included CIA
and FBI headquarters, nuclear power plants, and the tallest buildings in
California and Washington State. KSM himself would land the 10th plane
at a U.S. airport, kill all adult males on board, and then deliver a
speech to the news media castigating U.S. support for Israel, the
Philippines and Arab governments.

Bin Laden pared down the plan to its final size.

Attash as claimed that many of the the Saudi "muscle" hijackers tried to
reach the fighting in Chechnya in 1999, but were unable to reach the
front. They then went to Afghanistan for training, where they heard bin
Laden speak and volunteered to become suicide operatives.










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"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[a425couple]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message...

A valid, nice 'tight' / short & to the point, telling
of the events.
Information of things like the earlier WTC bombing, the
embassy bombings, the USS Cole, and Ahmad Shah Massoud
who was killed Sept 9, 2001 may be informative,
but may also dilute this.

[Bast]

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that
questions the official fairytale.

http://www.ae911truth.org

,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 8, 9:55 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that
> questions the official fairytale.
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>
>
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>
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> a425couple wrote:

> > "HVAC" <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message...

Yes, but obviously motives, means and opportunity are no longer
allowed within the department of justice, any more so than the
expertise of multiple independent sources plus whatever independent
video and audio that wasn't modified by approved insiders doesn't
count. Apparently treason doesn't even count, especially if those at
risk of being caught or implicated are Semites.

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

[Freedom Man]

The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!

The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
September 11, 2001 remains unsolved. Many know this with certainty and some
suspect it, but some Americans still believe the coverup lies and propaganda
fed them through the government-manipulated corporate mass-media. To
understand why, and know the truth, read on - -

To understand the point I wish to make, let's assume that an obviously alien
creature was walking peacefully down the street, and observe peoples'
reactions to it.

Some would simply not see it! Their brains would reject as IMPOSSIBLE what
their eyes tell them, and block out their awareness of the unearthly
creature.

Some might stare, perhaps be shocked or frightened, but then go on,
rationalizing that they only saw someone in costume, or that they had
indulged too heavily at last night's party and were seeing things. They
would tell no one what they saw for fear of being thought crazy. They would
even, in defense of their own rationalization, label other people that
reported such a sighting as crazy. This is the psychological phenomenon of
DENIAL.

Perhaps in fear for their own sanity, deniers condemn as crazy others that
claim aliens or whatever to be real. Such assertions are frightening because
they violate their sense of reality - "only KOOKS believe in aliens!" Thus
people tend to reject as unreal what is not comfortable for them to accept,
and likewise embrace beliefs that do not hold up to scientific scrutiny but
do provide them comfort. You don't believe what you DON'T WANT to believe;
denial thus serves to protect the mind from what would be mentally traumatic
if accepted.

Some things are simply too horrific, too abominably appalling, too greatly
in violation of what we WANT to think or believe, to accept as actual
reality - even when they ARE real! "Look; the Emperor wears no clothes,"
said the child too naïve to know that such facts are not to be spoken of,
nor even acknowledged to oneself.

PSYOPS - definition paraphrased from Wikipedia: Psychological Operations.
Techniques used to influence a target audience's value systems, beliefs,
emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. PSYOPS are used to induce
confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the
originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or
false flag tactics. The phrase is commonly used by governments who wish to
avoid the terms propaganda and brainwashing in reference to their own work
because those terms have negative connotations. The use of such euphemisms
for what is in effect mind control is in itself an example of psychological
operations, i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade a large number
of people to support something they wouldn't normally support or to
unquestioningly accept lies.

Obviously, to permit or commit an atrocity on the scale of the 9/11 attacks,
and/or to exploit the horror, shock, and fear thus created to influence
public opinion and actions, is clearly a PSYOP. The exploitation of the
psychological phenomenon of DENIAL is also clearly a PSYOP. Who would want
to believe that traitors in our own government would permit, or even
perpetrate, such an atrocity on their own people? How much easier it would
be to accept the existence of aliens - or fanatical Jihadists!

"But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -
Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials.

Now that we understand what PSYOPS are, and the psychological phenomenon of
DENIAL, we are in a better position to rationally investigate the true
nature and possible sources of the 9/11 attacks.

The UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of an INSIDE JOB:

BLOWN TO BITS:

The sudden, complete, straight down at near free-fall speed collapse of
steel framed WTC building 7, which was not touched by the planes, is the
SMOKING GUN of the 9/11 conspiracy. The building's few small fires and
superficial debris damage could not account for this collapse, which had all
the earmarks of controlled demolition by explosives. Videos clearly show
this. Such demolitions take many days or weeks to set up - not the few hours
between the plane "attacks" and the collapse. The explosives therefore had
to be put in place BEFOREHAND. This lends credibility to the use of
previously placed explosives to bring down the towers as well, which like
the badly damaged and fire-gutted Deutchbank building would probably have
remained standing.

Propaganda shills, disinformationists, and those in psychological denial
still insist the collapse of WTC 7 could not be what it obviously was, and
they employ often ludicrous rationalizations and fabrications, elaborate
lies, and infantile ad-hominem attacks to defend their indefensible
position. The REAL terrorists are desperate to cover up their mass-murderous
crime of the century - the permitting if not perpetration of, and subsequent
political and economic exploitation of the fully preventable 9/11 disaster.
Could Bin Laden have somehow totally incapacitated NORAD - the world's most
sophisticated aerospace defense system - on that horrible morning? I don't
think so!

There is evidence of an INSIDE JOB even more clear and indisputable than the
explosive demolition collapse of building 7 and the standing down of NORAD.
Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on the roofs of nearby
buildings. These were too far away to be from jumpers from the towers. If
the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire alone, what blew these
bodies to smithereens and sent the fragments flying for considerable
distances? The plane impacts did not have the explosive brisance (shattering
force) necessary to do this - only HIGH EXPLOSIVES can blow bodies to tiny
bits and throw them such distances.

So - who can credibly account for these body fragments, other than their
being the result of high explosives being detonated in the towers?


The NORAD STAND-DOWN (complete failure to take defensive action) is
compelling evidence of the 9/11 conspiracy. NORAD is the world's most
sophisticated aerospace defense system, with backups and redundancies that
make it extremely reliable and effective. NORAD routinely intercepts off
course or out of communication aircraft of all kinds, especially near such
security-sensitive areas as New York City and the Pentagon. On 9/11, FOUR
allegedly hijacked subsonic-speed commercial jets were out of communication
and flying towards known terrorist targets for well over an hour. NOT ONE of
these planes was intercepted by NORAD! We were told that NORAD only looks
for aircraft coming from outside the USA, but this is a blatant LIE, given
the history of NORAD's routine interceptions!


The following article proves, using the inviolate laws of physics, the
falsity of the government's propaganda explanation for the World Trade
Center building collapses:

SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE - GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK

On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World TradeCenter
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.

In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."

We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale!"

Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?

The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.

According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.

There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts

* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steelcore
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.

* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity
alone. This article focuses on the latter of these two discrepancies.

Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.

How Gravity Acts:

Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force ofgravity at
and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.

Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.

So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet persecond
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.

So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.

Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object isfalling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.

Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found inany
high-school physics book

* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)
And
* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D =1/2 x
G x T x T)

So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds

Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet

So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.

Checking Our Work:

We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work,using
conservation of energy.

We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energyin a
barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn gasoline
in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some heat, as an
engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to bleed off some
of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy isconverted into heat (the
brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy [molecular or atomic]
to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to shatter or even
pulverize concrete.

In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whateveris
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.

So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.

The equation for potential energy is
* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G xH)

The equation for kinetic energy is
* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)

So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object hasa
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)

The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32x144
= 4608

The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 seconds is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared
=1/2 x 9216 = 4608

So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy.Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.

One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance

The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.

That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way inorder
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.

In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.

This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall.At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with theair
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the accelerationupward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity ismaintained.

Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows theperson
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.

A Quick Recap:

Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by airresistance it
falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to fall
a given distance.

Free-fall From WTC Building Heights

The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an objectto
free-fall from the towers' height.

Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)

With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time,T:

2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)
Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)
Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))
Time = 9.2

So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.

Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is justover
200 mph.

But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.

Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.

Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.

Observations from 9/11:

On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote

"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could
not lie about this.

But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.

This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.

Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively without friction as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?

It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!

What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!

Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?

Conclusions

In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met

* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.

None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.

The Bottom Line

The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.

It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that theWTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.

The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.

So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.

The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.

Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.

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FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law_of_black_body_radiation Also see:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

SO - WHO DONE IT??

Any good detective will tell you that the way to find criminals is to
investigate those that benefitted, or stood to benefit, from the crime.
Surely those that were quickly blamed for this mass-murderous crime of the
century - Bin Laden, etc., had evil intentions against America, but could
not have done it single-handedly. Just after 9/11 Iraq and Saddam Hussein
were implied as guilty in a PSYOP to justify the invasion of Iraq, when in
fact they were blameless for 9/11.

Here are some that, under the criteria of the good detective above, must be
considered suspects:

Bush, Cheney, and their fellow Republican/neo-conservatives then in power.
Then NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani.
WTC owner/leaseholder Larry Silverstein.
The theocratic nation of Israel.

DEMAND that congress reopen the investigation and bring the real
MASS-MURDERERS to justice!

NINE ELEVEN - NEVER AGAIN!

[George152]

On 2/9/2012 6:55 AM, Bast wrote:
> Architects& Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that

> questions the official fairytale.
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>

Wrong..
How's that fund raising going ?

And their great membership drive?
About now they must have joined up all the mentally challenged

[Bast]

So ?
I'm guessing you are just too stupid to be able to click a link and look for
yourself, if you have questions ?

http://www.ae911truth.org

[George152]

I don't have questions I have answers.
You don't like the answers and want people to click on kook links

[raven1]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
wrote:

>The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>
>The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.

In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
Goldman are technically "unsolved".

>Many know this with certainty

And most of those also "know with certainty" that there is a crashed
alien spacecraft at Roswell, that the Illuminati run the government,
and the Moon landings were faked, so that isn't saying much.

<snip psychology for the paranoid>

>The UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of an INSIDE JOB:
>
>BLOWN TO BITS:
>
>The sudden, complete, straight down at near free-fall speed collapse of
>steel framed WTC building 7, which was not touched by the planes, is the
>SMOKING GUN of the 9/11 conspiracy. The building's few small fires and
>superficial debris damage

By this you mean "uncontrolled fires on several floors, and massive
damage to the southern facade caused by the collapse of 1 WTC".

>could not account for this collapse,

The actual damage could. Fire officials on the scene gave warning
hours in advance that the building was likely to collapse from the
damage it had sustained.

> which had all
>the earmarks of controlled demolition by explosives.

Here's a question I've never gotten a straight answer to from a
Troofer: what would you have expected to see different if the official
story is true? Be specific, and back it up with something more than
speculation.

>Videos clearly show
>this. Such demolitions take many days or weeks to set up

Which nicely illustrates how ridiculous your claim is. The notion that
a 50 story skyscraper could be prepped for demolition ***with no one
noticing*** is so laughable as to not even merit rebuttal.

> - not the few hours
>between the plane "attacks" and the collapse. The explosives therefore had
>to be put in place BEFOREHAND.

Or, in a simpler scenario, there were no explosives.

>This lends credibility to the use of
>previously placed explosives to bring down the towers as well,

It's even more ridiculous that two 110 story skyscrapers could be
prepped for demo ***with no one noticing***.

> which like
>the badly damaged and fire-gutted Deutchbank building would probably have
>remained standing.

So why didn't "they" demolish that as well? And what motive did "they"
have to demolish 7 WTC? Your scenario makes no sense.

>Propaganda shills, disinformationists, and those in psychological denial
>still insist the collapse of WTC 7 could not be what it obviously was,

Or what you insist against all evidence and rationality it was.

> and
>they employ often ludicrous rationalizations and fabrications, elaborate
>lies, and infantile ad-hominem attacks to defend their indefensible
>position. The REAL terrorists are desperate to cover up their mass-murderous
>crime of the century - the permitting if not perpetration of, and subsequent
>political and economic exploitation of the fully preventable 9/11 disaster.
>Could Bin Laden have somehow totally incapacitated NORAD - the world's most
>sophisticated aerospace defense system - on that horrible morning? I don't
>think so!

And no one claims he did. NORAD is for defending the US against enemy
attacks from outside; no one ever intended it to defend against planes
hijacked within our borders

>There is evidence of an INSIDE JOB even more clear and indisputable than the
>explosive demolition collapse of building 7 and the standing down of NORAD.
>Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on the roofs of nearby
>buildings. These were too far away to be from jumpers from the towers. If
>the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire alone, what blew these
>bodies to smithereens and sent the fragments flying for considerable
>distances? The plane impacts did not have the explosive brisance (shattering
>force) necessary to do this - only HIGH EXPLOSIVES can blow bodies to tiny
>bits and throw them such distances.

High explosives such as airplanes crashing into buildings at 500 MPH
and exploding, perhaps?

>So - who can credibly account for these body fragments, other than their
>being the result of high explosives being detonated in the towers?

I just did.

<snip repetitive nonsense>

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[BDK]

In article <jgucv2$97i$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

>
> Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that
> questions the official fairytale.
>
> http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>

Ramdom posts by "trolls", would no doubt be saner than 99% of what's
posted on that kOOkpage.

--
Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[tomcov]

Aah, the 'Semites' gambit, if you have nothing to say, reply using the
word 'Semites'.

[Brad Guth]

We sure as hell can't call any of these bad-guys Muslims, or even
Catholics.

I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants and the
likes of South Park.

[Double-A]

I hear that the Illuminati are behind everything!

Double-A

[GovShill]

Shhhhh...

That's a secret!

Shill #2
Them™

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in news:jgtug3$ggd$1...@hvac.motzarella.org:

> The plan, as originally conceived by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, involved
> hijacking 10 planes, 9 of which would be used as missiles. In addition
> to the World Trade Center and Pentagon, additional targets included
> CIA and FBI headquarters, nuclear power plants, and the tallest
> buildings in California and Washington State.

Damn, I didn't know they were originally going after the west coast too.
Sea-Tac is only 15 miles away from the proposed target in Seattle and
planes are always flying past the Columbia Center and the Space Needle as
the landings are North/South rather than East/West.

It was always pretty cool to fly past the Needle and see it from above.

--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*,
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I will pay it back." and "I have your address and will mail you the
money." Ed the lying deadbeat.

[George152]

On 2/9/2012 1:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> We sure as hell can't call any of these bad-guys Muslims, or even
> Catholics. I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants
> and the likes of South Park.

That is sufficient to show your age

[Brad Guth]

Seans, they hit and run.

[Brad Guth]

Unlike yourself, I have nothing to hide.

[Tony Dragon]

Except your 'evidence'.

[Bast]

Aren't you forgetting the al queda operatives in your underpants.
Never fear,...TSA agents who have years of extensive training in Washinton
D.C public mens rooms will make sure you are safe.
And will be pleased to check again and again as many times as you keep
running back to the end of the line



....And here is some reading, for those who DO NOT like TSA

http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

Here you go

http://www.ae911truth.org

[Bast]

It must really be frustraing for you to have to wake up every day, and
continually put up with the rest of us who aren't, "know it all's"

[HVAC]

On 2/9/2012 4:29 AM, Bast wrote:
>
>
>
> Aren't you forgetting the al queda operatives in your underpants.
> Never fear,...TSA agents who have years of extensive training in Washinton
> D.C public mens rooms will make sure you are safe.
> And will be pleased to check again and again as many times as you keep
> running back to the end of the line
>
>
>
> ....And here is some reading, for those who DO NOT like TSA

What's the matter, Bast? Don't like it when they grab your junk?

[HVAC]

On 2/8/2012 9:55 PM, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote:
>
>
> Damn, I didn't know they were originally going after the west coast too.
> Sea-Tac is only 15 miles away from the proposed target in Seattle and
> planes are always flying past the Columbia Center and the Space Needle as
> the landings are North/South rather than East/West.
>
> It was always pretty cool to fly past the Needle and see it from above.

Cocksuckers would kill every last one of us if they could.

That's why we keep bombing them. It's tough to plan an attack
when you're ducking and covering.

[Brad Guth]

Evidence is for a jury of our peers to decide how best to interpret.
However, it seems you and others of your Semitic kind want to keep
whatever possible evidence down to a dull roar, and/or having the
authority as to selectively banish and otherwise especially excluding
motives, means and opportunity. No doubt the implications are that
insiders of your own kind had more than a little something to gain by
all of this.

Unlike your special FUD-master self, I'm not here for the laughs.

”whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell

Any fool can believe each and every word of their government, right up
until that government expects us to pay the ultimate price, and gets
us dead.

Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
"alt.astronomy" and so many other newsgroups, simply can't deal with
anything that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new
science interpretations into this public newsgroup medium isn't
something these Usenet insiders want to see happen, but at least for
the moment you can read it and reply anyway.

Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
return) via mainstream indoctrination, intranet filters and other
methods, including how Google makes public access to these Usenet
newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+" version
makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I guess
that's progress).

[Brad Guth]

Except LLPOF Semites like "George152" only have to accept their own
version of evidence.

[Bast]

raven1 wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>
>> The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>> September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>
> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
> Goldman are technically "unsolved".

Oh what a nice comparison.
G.W Bush was so vocal about finding the killers himself,....Just as O.J.
Did.

And when it was told to us that Saudi's did it,......well it Just made sense
to G.W. to atack Iraq,....who were later admitted to have NOTHING to do
with 9/11.

Are you people THAT stupid to keep denying the truth,....the it is the U.S.
govenment that are the biggest terrorists everyone should fear

http://www.ae911truth.org

[raven1]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:13:56 -0500, "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

>
>
>raven1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>>
>>> The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>>> September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>>
>> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
>> Goldman are technically "unsolved".
>
>
>
>
>
>Oh what a nice comparison.
>G.W Bush was so vocal about finding the killers himself,....Just as O.J.
>Did.
>
>And when it was told to us that Saudi's did it,......

Not "the Saudis" per se, Saudi nationals working for al Qaeda.

>well it Just made sense
>to G.W. to atack Iraq,....who were later admitted to have NOTHING to do
>with 9/11.

Absolutely. As the PNAC had planned to do since 1999. The Bush
Administration opportunistically used 9/11 as a pretext to attack
Iraq, but there's fuck-all evidence that they were involved in it. The
focus that Troofers place on ridiculous conspiracy theories only
serves to distract from the real crimes of the Bush Administration,
and that is just sad.

>Are you people THAT stupid to keep denying the truth,....the it is the U.S.
>govenment that are the biggest terrorists everyone should fear

Blaming them for something they didn't do, particularly in the face of
all the evidence, is the equivalent of crying wolf: it makes people
ignore the real thing.

[Freedom Man]

"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:pmr5j7lm8poth6623...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>
>>The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>>September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>
> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
> Goldman are technically "unsolved".

< snip >

Your mind is made up, so I won't try to change the unchangable.
Believe what you will, but to become wise we must know and believe only the
truth.

[Tony Dragon]

Standard answer #3 "Semites"

[BDK]

In article <jh03o0$qh3$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

You won't find any evidence on that kOOkpage. Just troofic kOOktardery.

--
Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[BDK]

In article <jh03th$rb2$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

You make us laugh, it's the best value in entertainment! If you troofers
and other kOOks didn't post your crazy nonsense, we wouldn't have the
fun we have playing with you, and would probably slowly disappear. You
really have no self awareness at all, do you?

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[HVAC]

On 2/9/2012 12:57 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>
> Absolutely. As the PNAC had planned to do since 1999. The Bush
> Administration opportunistically used 9/11 as a pretext to attack
> Iraq, but there's fuck-all evidence that they were involved in it. The
> focus that Troofers place on ridiculous conspiracy theories only
> serves to distract from the real crimes of the Bush Administration,
> and that is just sad.
>
>> Are you people THAT stupid to keep denying the truth,....the it is the U.S.
>> govenment that are the biggest terrorists everyone should fear
>
> Blaming them for something they didn't do, particularly in the face of
> all the evidence, is the equivalent of crying wolf: it makes people
> ignore the real thing.

So who do you think we should have attacked after 9/11?

[George152]

That includes your insanity

[George152]

He has to demonstrate his antisemitic bigotry at every turn...

[George152]

On 2/10/2012 8:00 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 12:57 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Absolutely. As the PNAC had planned to do since 1999. The Bush
>> Administration opportunistically used 9/11 as a pretext to attack
>> Iraq, but there's fuck-all evidence that they were involved in it. The
>> focus that Troofers place on ridiculous conspiracy theories only
>> serves to distract from the real crimes of the Bush Administration,
>> and that is just sad.
>>
>>> Are you people THAT stupid to keep denying the truth,....the it is
>>> the U.S.
>>> govenment that are the biggest terrorists everyone should fear
>>
>> Blaming them for something they didn't do, particularly in the face of
>> all the evidence, is the equivalent of crying wolf: it makes people
>> ignore the real thing.
>
>
> So who do you think we should have attacked after 9/11?

She didn't want her insane Islamist buddies to be made responsible for
their actions

[raven1]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:09:57 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>

wrote:

>"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
>news:pmr5j7lm8poth6623...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>>
>>>The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>>>September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>>
>> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
>> Goldman are technically "unsolved".
>
>< snip >
>
>Your mind is made up, so I won't try to change the unchangable.

You certainly can't change my mind by repeating claims that have been
long debunked.

>Believe what you will, but to become wise we must know and believe only the
>truth.

Which is why the 9/11 Truth movement is so ironically named: they'll
believe literally anything, no matter how patently absurd, as long as
it contradicts the official explanation. This is a weakness that all
Conspiracy Theorists suffer from.

[Hägar]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jgtug3$ggd$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>

You do know you're riling up the k00ks, don't you ???
Bastie must be spewing froth by now ...

[HVAC]

What? Who? Me?

[Hägar]

"HVAC" <mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:jh1d3f$766$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...

> On 2/9/2012 3:31 PM, Hägar wrote:
>> "HVAC"<mr....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:jgtug3$ggd$1...@hvac.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>
>> You do know you're riling up the k00ks, don't you ???
>> Bastie must be spewing froth by now ...
>>
>>
>
>
> What? Who? Me?

... Hehehehee

[Tony Dragon]

On 09/02/2012 15:22, Brad Guth wrote:
> On Feb 8, 10:38 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 09/02/2012 04:56, Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 8:19 pm, George152<gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2/9/2012 1:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:> We sure as hell can't call any of these bad-guys Muslims, or even
>>>>> Catholics. I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants
>>>>> and the likes of South Park.
>>
>>>> That is sufficient to show your age
>>
>>> Unlike yourself, I have nothing to hide.
>>
>> Except your 'evidence'.
>
> Evidence is for a jury of our peers to decide how best to interpret.
> However, it seems you and others of your Semitic kind want to keep
> whatever possible evidence down to a dull roar, and/or having the
> authority as to selectively banish and otherwise especially excluding
> motives, means and opportunity. No doubt the implications are that
> insiders of your own kind had more than a little something to gain by
> all of this.
>

Aah the 'Semite' gambit, do try something new.

> Unlike your special FUD-master self, I'm not here for the laughs.
>
> ”whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
>
> Any fool can believe each and every word of their government, right up
> until that government expects us to pay the ultimate price, and gets
> us dead.
>
> Apparently the usual media oligarchs and FUD-masters of
> "alt.astronomy" and so many other newsgroups, simply can't deal with
> anything that isn't fully mainstream approved. Allowing actual new
> science interpretations into this public newsgroup medium isn't
> something these Usenet insiders want to see happen, but at least for
> the moment you can read it and reply anyway.
>

Aah the 'FUD master' gambit, do try something new.

> Most K-12s have already been automatically excluded or banished (as
> well as snookered and systematically dumbfounded past the point of no
> return)

No, you lost me there, could you repost in English.

> via mainstream indoctrination, intranet filters and other
> methods,

How would an intranet filter affect the internet?

>including how Google makes public access to these Usenet
> newsgroups nearly impossible to find, and their "Google+" version
> makes it even more restricted and just slower to respond (I guess
> that's progress).

Don't use Google, it is not a newsreader.

[tomcov]

On Feb 9, 12:46 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 3:17 pm, tomcov <thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 8, 9:55 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>

> > > > Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that

> > > > questions the official fairytale.
>
> > > >http://www.ae911truth.org
>
> > > > ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>

> > > > >> --
> > > > >> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
> > > > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo
>

> > > Yes, but obviously motives, means and opportunity are no longer
> > > allowed within the department of justice, any more so than the
> > > expertise of multiple independent sources plus whatever independent
> > > video and audio that wasn't modified by approved insiders doesn't
> > > count.  Apparently treason doesn't even count, especially if those at
> > > risk of being caught or implicated are Semites.
>

> > >  http://translate.google.com/#
> > >  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
>

> > Aah, the 'Semites' gambit, if you have nothing to say, reply using the
> > word 'Semites'.
>

> We sure as hell can't call any of these bad-guys Muslims, or even
> Catholics.

Why could we not call them Muslims?

>
> I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants and the
> likes of South Park.

I don't think that SpongeBob could pilot a plane.

[Brad Guth]

Your Zionist Nazi approved reply is noted.

[DanielSan]

On 2/9/2012 3:10 PM, tomcov wrote:
> On Feb 9, 12:46 am, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 3:17 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 9:55 am, "Bast"<faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>

>>>>> Architects& Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that

>>>>> questions the official fairytale.
>>
>>>>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>>
>>>>> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>>
>>>>> a425couple wrote:
>>>>>> "HVAC"<mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
>>

>>>>>> A valid, nice 'tight' / short& to the point, telling

Sure he could. He just has to stick his arms out, run around in figure
eights or circles or something, going "Blblblblblblblblbbl" with his
lips and tilting his arms to "bank". :)

[Brad Guth]

When you hire mercenaries as false flag operatives (just like we did
in order to make it seem as though independent or rogue Muslims were
killing our cold-war Russians instead of us doing the killings, you
kinda get whatever you pay for.

>
> > I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants and the
> > likes of South Park.
>
> I don't think that SpongeBob could pilot a plane.

A paraplegic dysfunctional moron could pilot, so what does that make
you?

[Double-A]

On Feb 8, 8:53 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 5:53 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> > > I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants and the
> > > likes of South Park.
>

> > I hear that the Illuminati are behind everything!
>
> > Double-A
>
> Seans, they hit and run.


That's enough, coffee boy!

Double-A

[Brad Guth]

But none the less, you can't prove me wrong.

[George152]

No?
Every-one else has so why not him ?

[Tony Dragon]

Thank you for your standard reply, is that the only reply that you can give.

[Brad Guth]

Google access to Usenet/newsgroups works perfectly fine and dandy for
honest folks, so I don't know what your problem is.

[Loirbaj]

I was over at my long-time friend and brother-in-law's
house. I've posted from his house before, and he's
posted from my house. And we'll probably keep doing it.
--Calvin Ramsey, non-Elect, non-Homosexualist ?

No one gives a FUCK what you, an admitted HOMO,
thinks about anything, "Ducksicker" --Kenneth Kellogg

[Calvin Ramsey]

Proof that Loirbaj is not a Christian:



On 2/9/2012 9:31 AM, Loirbaj wrote:

> SHIT


Loibaj also admitted in an email to me that he is not
a member of any particular church, and in fact does
not even attend church service, and that the only
time he's ever in a church building is "for weddings
and funerals".

Loirbaj also wrote that the Apostle Paul "really had
no clue what Jesus even taught", and that "he often
contradicts Jesus."

And yet Loirbaj denies these very words of Jesus,
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent
me draws him.", and "You did not choose me, but I
chose you.", and "If the world hates you, know that
it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of
the world, the world would love you as its own; but
because you are not of the world, but I chose you out
of the world, therefore the world hates you."

And there are many more verses like those where Jesus
specifically states that the Father gives to Him those whom
he has chosen.

Loirbaj refuses to accept those verses, and he thereby rejects
the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Rather than refer to the Word of God as the Bible,
Loirbaj calls it the "Black Book".


There is no doubt in my mind that Loirbaj is not a Christian.

[Government Shill #2]

Then why did you write "... including how Google makes public access to these
Usenet newsgroups nearly impossible to find..."?

Shill #2
--
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman

[John Baker]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:09:57 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>

wrote:

>"raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
>news:pmr5j7lm8poth6623...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>>
>>>The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans on
>>>September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>>
>> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
>> Goldman are technically "unsolved".
>
>< snip >
>
>Your mind is made up, so I won't try to change the unchangable.
>Believe what you will, but to become wise we must know and believe only the
>truth.

The first step toward knowing the truth is learning to recognize what
is real and what is delusion. You obviously aren't there yet.




>

[HVAC]

On 2/10/2012 5:19 AM, Government Shill #2 wrote:
>
>>
>> Google access to Usenet/newsgroups works perfectly fine and dandy for
>> honest folks, so I don't know what your problem is.
>
>
> Then why did you write "... including how Google makes public access to these
> Usenet newsgroups nearly impossible to find..."?

Please don't confound Guth with facts.......

[Tony Dragon]

I have no problem, unlike you, but Google is still not a newsreader and
it was broken the other day.

Oh, I liked the way you ignored my post.

[Tony Dragon]

On 09/02/2012 23:23, Brad Guth wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:10 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 12:46 am, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 3:17 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 9:55 am, "Bast"<faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>

>>>>>> Architects& Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that

>>>>>> questions the official fairytale.
>>
>>>>>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>>
>>>>>> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>>
>>>>>> a425couple wrote:
>>>>>>> "HVAC"<mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
>>

>>>>>>> A valid, nice 'tight' / short& to the point, telling

So no answer to my question.

>
>>
>>> I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants and the
>>> likes of South Park.
>>
>> I don't think that SpongeBob could pilot a plane.
>
> A paraplegic dysfunctional moron could pilot, so what does that make
> you?

Interesting reply that, could you tell me what it means?
Oh, & you troothers have been telling us for a long time that the people
who flew the jets into the wtc & the pentagon could not do it as they
were not competent to fly, I glad you agree otherwise.

[BDK]

In article <6nr9j7l93epvjqtdt...@4ax.com>,
gov....@gmail.com says...

>
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:49:46 -0800 (PST), Brad Guth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 9, 10:42 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> On 09/02/2012 23:15, Brad Guth wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Feb 9, 3:06 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com>  wrote:
> >> >> On 09/02/2012 15:22, Brad Guth wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> On Feb 8, 10:38 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com>    wrote:
> >> >>>> On 09/02/2012 04:56, Brad Guth wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>> On Feb 8, 8:19 pm, George152<gbl...@hnpl.net>      wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On 2/9/2012 1:46 PM, Brad Guth wrote:>        We sure as hell can't call any of these bad-guys Muslims, or even
> >> >>>>>>> Catholics. I supposed we could blame it all on SpongeBob SquarePants
> >> >>>>>>> and the likes of South Park.
> >>
> >> >>>>>> That is sufficient to show your age
> >>
> >> >>>>> Unlike yourself, I have nothing to hide.
> >>
> >> >>>> Except your 'evidence'.
> >>
> >> >>> Evidence is for a jury of our peers to decide how best to interpret.
> >> >>> However, it seems you and others of your Semitic kind want to keep
> >> >>> whatever possible evidence down to a dull roar, and/or having the
> >> >>> authority as to selectively banish and otherwise especially excluding
> >> >>> motives, means and opportunity.  No doubt the implications are that
> >> >>> insiders of your own kind had more than a little something to gain by
> >> >>> all of this.
> >>
> >> >> Aah the 'Semite' gambit, do try something new.
> >>
> >> >>> Unlike your special FUD-master self, I'm not here for the laughs.
> >>

> >> >>>    ?whoever controls the past, controls the future? / George Orwell

Now you know when you post facts it gives Brad and the other kOOks
cramps! I bet they all have an ample supply of Midol handy.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[George152]

On 2/10/2012 7:49 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> Google access to Usenet/newsgroups works perfectly fine and dandy for
> honest folks, so I don't know what your problem is.

Well, that's your problem right there under your nose ...

[HVAC]

On 2/10/2012 2:19 PM, BDK wrote:
>
>
> Now you know when you post facts it gives Brad and the other kOOks
> cramps! I bet they all have an ample supply of Midol handy.

And a jug of Summer's Eve....For when Guth has that
"not so fresh" feeling.

[George152]

On 2/11/2012 7:24 AM, Tony Dragon wrote:
>
> Interesting reply that, could you tell me what it means?
> Oh, & you troothers have been telling us for a long time that the
> people who flew the jets into the wtc & the pentagon could not do it
> as they were not competent to fly, I glad you agree otherwise.

for the amount of flying the mad moronic muslims did?
Hell, give me 10 hours to dust off my instrument and multiengine
ratings and bring on the self loading cargo

[WrongWayWade]

Please... It's Zionist Nazi, FUD-Master, Semite, ZNR, Selene As Dark As
Coal, Joose are made of green cheese, Guth-Usenet, Guth-Internet. I hate it
when you're insults are incomplete.

[Brad Guth]

Funny how all the best FUD-masters always have the most pathetic
Usenet names, and always hiding their true ID as well as their
political and religious affiliations. It must be a genetic mutation,
made worse via their incest.

[Brad Guth]

On Feb 10, 2:19 am, Government Shill #2 <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

You FUD-masters really are bad at reading comprehension, and always
good at taking stuff out of context seems to be your only status quo.
Do try to keep up.

[Tony Dragon]

Standard reply 'FUD masters'

[Tony Dragon]

Standard reply 'FUD-masters'

[Brad Guth]

Just think, without yourself and others of your kind, there wouldn't
have been any need of 9/11.

[Tony Dragon]

Oh, how drool.

But this time there were no Nazi, Semite, FUD masters, so it seems like
you are learning.

Now here is a question that you might be able to answer, 'What is my kind'?

[tomcov]

You can pilot a plane?

[tomcov]

Does Google know when you are dishonest?

[tomcov]

You expect him to give a credible answer?

[Government Shill #2]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:50:33 +0000, Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com>
wrote:

Sane.

Shill #2
--
Them™
Pay Section
Disinformation Directorate
Ministry of Information
Antipodean Division

[tomcov]

Fud masters are mutations, you saw it here first folks.

[Brad Guth]

I'm quite sure you'd buy into SpongeBob SquarePants as being the chief
Muslim bad-guy that's the mastermind responsible for 9/11.

Are you actually suggesting there's no such thing as any bad Semites?

Are you suggesting that no Americans ever did anything the least bit
wrong or having failed to keep our word with Muslims we’d previously
hired (including OBL) to kill as many Russians as possible?

[Brad Guth]

Google knows more than we might care to admit.

[Brad Guth]

No argument there.

[Brad Guth]

Yes, especially one having a super autopilot that's capable of doing
everything from takeoff until landing.

[Government Shill #2]

So... by your "logic", that would make you a paraplegic dysfunctional moron.

Sorry to hear about the disability. I already suspected the dysfunctional moron
bit.

Shill #2
--
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

[George152]

On 2/11/2012 2:41 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
> On Feb 10, 3:52 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 11:23 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 3:10 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 9, 12:46 am, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 3:17 pm, tomcov<thomas.coven...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 6:22 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 9:55 am, "Bast"<faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Architects& Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid evidence that

>>>>>>>> questions the official fairytale.
>>>>>>>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>>>>>>>> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on Usenet ?
>>>>>>>> a425couple wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "HVAC"<mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message...

>>>>>>>>> A valid, nice 'tight' / short& to the point, telling

Riiight.
I have this bridge for sale

[George152]

Elmer Fudd rocks

[BDK]

In article <jh3rcd$o5o$1...@hvac.motzarella.org>, mr....@gmail.com says...

>
> On 2/10/2012 2:19 PM, BDK wrote:
> >
> >
> > Now you know when you post facts it gives Brad and the other kOOks
> > cramps! I bet they all have an ample supply of Midol handy.
>
> And a jug of Summer's Eve....For when Guth has that
> "not so fresh" feeling.

I wish some enterprising young FUD-Master would find Brad and post some
pics of the Great Guthball for all of us to admire.

[Brad Guth]

nice quoting, pathetic reply.

Is there something those autopilots could not do?

[Bast]

George152 wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 8:00 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> On 2/9/2012 12:57 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely. As the PNAC had planned to do since 1999. The Bush
>>> Administration opportunistically used 9/11 as a pretext to attack
>>> Iraq, but there's fuck-all evidence that they were involved in it. The
>>> focus that Troofers place on ridiculous conspiracy theories only
>>> serves to distract from the real crimes of the Bush Administration,
>>> and that is just sad.
>>>
>>>> Are you people THAT stupid to keep denying the truth,....the it is
>>>> the U.S.
>>>> govenment that are the biggest terrorists everyone should fear
>>>
>>> Blaming them for something they didn't do, particularly in the face of
>>> all the evidence, is the equivalent of crying wolf: it makes people
>>> ignore the real thing.
>>
>>
>> So who do you think we should have attacked after 9/11?
>
> She didn't want her insane Islamist buddies to be made responsible for
> their actions




You dumb asses remind me of a dog that just got hit by a car.
......It's in pain, and is determined it's going to bite ANYONE,....even
those trying to help it.

No actual THOUGHT , LOGIC, OR REASON involved,...just reflex action.

So how does it feel to be stupider than a wounded dog ?

[Bast]

raven1 wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:09:57 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "raven1" <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote in message
>> news:pmr5j7lm8poth6623...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:12:56 -0500, "Freedom Man" <frees...@4eva.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 9/11 "ATTACK" - TEN YEARS, NO JUSTICE!
>>>>
>>>> The crime of the century that mass-murdered 3000 innocent Americans
>>>> on September 11, 2001 remains unsolved.
>>>
>>> In the same sense that the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald
>>> Goldman are technically "unsolved".
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>> Your mind is made up, so I won't try to change the unchangable.
>
> You certainly can't change my mind by repeating claims that have been
> long debunked.
>
>> Believe what you will, but to become wise we must know and believe
>> only the truth.
>
> Which is why the 9/11 Truth movement is so ironically named: they'll
> believe literally anything, no matter how patently absurd, as long as
> it contradicts the official explanation. This is a weakness that all
> Conspiracy Theorists suffer from.




I can see you are going to just love being appointed hall monitor at the
FEMA camp.
It doesn't pay anything, but they give you a nice shiny plastic badge.

[Bast]

BDK wrote:
> In article <jh03th$rb2$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...
>>
>> George152 wrote:
>>> On 2/9/2012 9:21 AM, Bast wrote:
>>>> George152 wrote:

>>>>> On 2/9/2012 6:55 AM, Bast wrote:
>>>>>> Architects& Engineers for 9/11 truth, has presented valid
>>>>>> evidence that questions the official fairytale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,....Or would you rather believe what an anonymous troll writes on
>>>>>> Usenet ?

>>>>> Wrong..
>>>>> How's that fund raising going ?
>>>>>
>>>>> And their great membership drive?
>>>>> About now they must have joined up all the mentally challenged
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So ?
>>>> I'm guessing you are just too stupid to be able to click a link and
>>>> look for yourself, if you have questions ?
>>>>
>> http://www.ae911truth.org
>>>
>>> I don't have questions I have answers.
>>> You don't like the answers and want people to click on kook links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It must really be frustraing for you to have to wake up every day, and
>> continually put up with the rest of us who aren't, "know it all's"
>
> You make us laugh, it's the best value in entertainment! If you troofers
> and other kOOks didn't post your crazy nonsense, we wouldn't have the
> fun we have playing with you, and would probably slowly disappear. You
> really have no self awareness at all, do you?




Sure I do.
If it wasn't for you stretching out the thread, people would look at a
single 9/11 post and just ignore it.
When they see a gazillion posts from seemingly hundreds of posters,....the
thread gets their attention.

Then I can post

http://www.ae911truth.org

And they get curious, then see for themselves why the official fairytale is
so stupid.
So keep laughing,....the world needs village idiots, and your silly giggling
too.

[Tony Dragon]

So no answer to my question then.

[Tony Dragon]

Build a conspiracy from soap bubbles & pixie dust?

[HVAC]

Guth wrote:
>>
>> You can pilot a plane?
>
> Yes, especially one having a super autopilot that's capable of doing
> everything from takeoff until landing.

I keep getting this vision from the movie 'Airplane'.
Guth hits auto pilot and the inflatable pilot takes shape.



Then Peter Graves says, "Do you like gladiator movies, Bradley?"

[HVAC]

On 2/11/2012 12:31 AM, Bast wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You dumb asses remind me of a dog that just got hit by a car.
> ......It's in pain, and is determined it's going to bite ANYONE,....even
> those trying to help it.
>
> No actual THOUGHT , LOGIC, OR REASON involved,...just reflex action.
>
> So how does it feel to be stupider than a wounded dog ?

Finally Bast has realized that it wasn't the US government
that carried out the attacks on 9/11.....

It was a wounded pit bull named Mohamed and his evil pack
of mu-slum puppy sycophants.

[HVAC]

On 2/11/2012 12:35 AM, Bast wrote:
>
>>
>> Which is why the 9/11 Truth movement is so ironically named: they'll
>> believe literally anything, no matter how patently absurd, as long as
>> it contradicts the official explanation. This is a weakness that all
>> Conspiracy Theorists suffer from.
>
>
> I can see you are going to just love being appointed hall monitor at the
> FEMA camp.
> It doesn't pay anything, but they give you a nice shiny plastic badge.

I love camp! Can *I* be the hall monitor?

[raven1]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:31:25 -0500, "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

Why don't you tell us while I repair my Irony-ometer?

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[raven1]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:35:53 -0500, "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

FEMA camp? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Q.E.D.

[BDK]

In article <jh5mel$9ov$2...@hvac.motzarella.org>, mr....@gmail.com says...

>
> On 2/11/2012 12:35 AM, Bast wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Which is why the 9/11 Truth movement is so ironically named: they'll
> >> believe literally anything, no matter how patently absurd, as long as
> >> it contradicts the official explanation. This is a weakness that all
> >> Conspiracy Theorists suffer from.
> >
> >
> > I can see you are going to just love being appointed hall monitor at the
> > FEMA camp.
> > It doesn't pay anything, but they give you a nice shiny plastic badge.
>
>
> I love camp! Can *I* be the hall monitor?

Sure! I'll put you at the top of the list.

[BDK]

In article <s6tcj7piqaob1umu4...@4ax.com>,
quotht...@nevermore.com says...

Don't crap on her delusions, it would be a shame if she somehow got a
clue at this stage in her illness.

[BDK]

In article <jh5aul$kkg$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

Since most people, even on usenet are sane, what happens is they chuckle
and say something like, "Holy shit, how can people so gullible still be
alive?"

> So keep laughing,....the world needs village idiots, and your silly giggling
> too.

What else would a sane person do when reading insane ravings?

[George152]

Yup. Make up for your inability as a human

[Brad Guth]

In other words, if you were smart enough to enter the GPS lat-long or
address of a given location and it's altitude, and were still smart
enough to pushed START or GOTO, the autopilot could accomplish the
task. Of course manual override is always a given. The path each of
those aircraft took seems quite autopilot like, so not much flying by
any human pilot was necessary.

What's not entirely human about exploring deductively through all of
the evidence, or is only your selective evidence qualified?

[Bruno Heller]

HVAC wrote:
> On Sept. 11, 2001, nineteen people, using knives and boxcutters,
> hijacked four transcontinental airline flights and flew them toward
> America's financial and political capitals of New York and Washington.

The dancing Jews did it.

Here's all the evidence!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxI-HDpCiic&feature=fvst

[HVAC]

On 2/11/2012 2:27 PM, BDK wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I can see you are going to just love being appointed hall monitor at the
>>> FEMA camp.
>>> It doesn't pay anything, but they give you a nice shiny plastic badge.
>>
>>
>> I love camp! Can *I* be the hall monitor?
>
> Sure! I'll put you at the top of the list.

Once *I am the Hall Monitor, everyone BETTER have a Hall Pass.
Or else I'll have Warhole unleash the 4 Horsemen and break the
7th seal.

And then you will be in a world of shit.

[BDK]

In article <jh6n50$8k2$2...@hvac.motzarella.org>, mr....@gmail.com says...

>
> On 2/11/2012 2:27 PM, BDK wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> I can see you are going to just love being appointed hall monitor at the
> >>> FEMA camp.
> >>> It doesn't pay anything, but they give you a nice shiny plastic badge.
> >>
> >>
> >> I love camp! Can *I* be the hall monitor?
> >
> > Sure! I'll put you at the top of the list.
>
>
> Once *I am the Hall Monitor, everyone BETTER have a Hall Pass.
> Or else I'll have Warhole unleash the 4 Horsemen and break the
> 7th seal.
>
> And then you will be in a world of shit.

Is his bones are dust by now "Gran'Da'Dy" going to spank me/us?