Blood of Saint Januarius liquifies again in Naples cathedral
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13857
Blood of Saint Januarius liquifies again in Naples cathedral
Naples, Sep 21, 2008 / 03:51 am (CNA).- The blood of Saint Januarius, patron
saint of Naples, has reportedly liquefied again in a continuation of the
centuries-long miracle.
In Naples' Cathedral on Wednesday, Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe, the Archbishop
of Naples, held up a vial containing the blood of the third-century saint
while a traditional white handkerchief was waved, ANSA reports. The
thousands packing the cathedral and the square outside cheered and set off
fireworks.
The cardinal said that the blood had apparently liquefied before it was
removed from the strongbox in which it is stored.
The dried blood of Saint Januarius, a bishop who was beheaded during a
persecution by the Roman Emperor Diocletian in September of 305,
traditionally liquefies on the anniversary of his martyrdom. Additionally,
it annually liquefies on the Saturday before the first Sunday in May and on
the December 16 anniversary of a 1631 eruption of the volcano Mt. Vesuvius,
an eruption believed to have been stopped by San Januarius' intercession.
The liquefaction of the blood can take hours and even days. Some consider
its failure to liquefy an omen of looming disaster. After one such failure
in 1527, tens of thousands died from the plague. In 1980, 3,000 died in an
earthquake which devastated parts of southern Italy.
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Cary Kittrell
> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
You mean except for the ones Joe Nickell has written about
several years back?
-- cary
Enkidu
> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
It's a fraud, a lie, a crock of shit. How's that for an explaination?
--
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ULC, Modesto, CA
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Uncle Vic
> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
Nor care for. A miracle, eh? Why doesn't your piddly god just show
himself and end all the bullshit? All this hide-and-seek nonsense only
reveals the *fact* that your god is imaginary.
Go hallucinate for the Christian NGs. They'll applaud you. We'll only
laugh at you.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
LC
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> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
We _have_ an answer, IBen.
It's known as testing <ahem> "phenonema" by the scientic method.
Have your drug counselor explain it to you.
> --
> J Young
> Jvis...@live.com
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yourself) why would you want to do these other substances if your goal is to
straighten out your life p.s. I'm a former maintainance man so i'm not just
talking out my ass."
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Lorrie S.
Lorrie S.
himself and end all the bullshit?
Because he's too busy sitting back enjoying the show, watching innocent
infants and children getting raped and dying of starvation to bother showing
himself to all of you non-believers. And it is all a part of his big plan
that you would never be able to comprehend. All those suffering and dying
children are part of his secret, complicated plan for the future.
The Chief Instigator
> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
You mean another of your schizophrenic assaults on reality, which couldn't
care less about your fantasies.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
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DuhIdiot
of a keyboard:
And of course this all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving critter has to
bother with secret, complicated plans instead of just going ahead and
creating the world as he intends it to eventually be because...
...because...
...shut up is why, you mean old atheists you!
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not one glitch!
"What a day, if you can look it in the face and hold your vomit." - Faith
No More
No S-P-A-M in my email.
Uncle Vic
Good post! I'm glad this monster is just a dream.
panam...@hotmail.com
snip
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/12250/naples-blood-boils-at-miracles-debunking
-PF, Atl.
etc.
Pastor Dave
<lorri...@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
>Why doesn't your piddly god just show
>himself and end all the bullshit?
He did. You still reject Him. So why do you
pretend to be honest about it?
--
Pastor Dave
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance.
It is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel Boorstin
Nosterill
> On Sep 21, 9:38 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
> -PF, Atl.
> etc.
Better late than never. the "Holy Blood" of Hailes Abbey was debunked
in 1538 and no one in the UK has taken that kind of thing seriously
since.
Nosterill
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
>
> >Why doesn't your piddly god just show
> >himself and end all the bullshit?
>
> He did. You still reject Him. So why do you
> pretend to be honest about it?
When? Where? Is there any evidence?
ca...@optonline.net
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
><lorri...@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>Why doesn't your piddly god just show
>>himself and end all the bullshit?
>
>He did.
When and where, liar?
> You still reject Him.
Nobody is "rejecting" what you have never shown is anything more than
a figment of your deluded imagination in the decade or so you have
been lying about both us and it, serial liar.
> So why do you
>pretend to be honest about it?
Why cannot you be honest for once in your pathetic, miserable life,
deliberately nasty serial liar?
MarkA
> Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
>
You don't do much outside reading, do you?
"A secular explanation suggests that the liquefaction miracle involves not
blood but rather a thixotropic gel, such as hydrated iron oxide,
FeO(OH).[12] In such a substance viscosity increases if left unstirred and
decreases if stirred or moved. The liquifaction has been replicated in the
laboratory."
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Hatter
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
>
> >Why doesn't your piddly god just show
> >himself and end all the bullshit?
>
> He did. You still reject Him. So why do you
> pretend to be honest about it?
>
dubious origin, not confirmed by outside evidence, with a timeline in
conflict with non-religious sources, written in a time before science,
that have numberous elements that seem to be borrowed from earlier
pagan myths.
Pardon me if I find such claims less than reliable.
Hatter
Don Martin
From Wikipedia:
Scientific scrutiny
A secular explanation suggests that the liquefaction miracle involves
not blood but rather a thixotropic gel, such as hydrated iron oxide,
FeO(OH).[12] In such a substance viscosity increases if left unstirred
and decreases if stirred or moved. The liquifaction has been
replicated
in the laboratory.[13][14]
12 Christopher, Kevin (2000-09-22). "The Miracle Blood of Saint
Januarius". Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. Retrieved on 2007-03-02.;
L. Garlaschelli, F. Ramaccini, S. Della Sala, "The Blood of St.
Januarius," Chemistry in Britain 30.2, 1994, p. 123 (CICAP: "The Blood
of St. Januarius", the Italian Committee for the Investigation of
Claims
on the Paranormal).
13 Epstein, Michael; Luigi Garlaschelli (1992). "Better Blood Through
Chemistry: A Laboratory Replication of a Miracle". Journal of
Scientific
Exploration 6: 233–246. Retrieved on 2007-03-02.
14 Owen, Richard (2005-09-20). "Naples blood boils at miracle's
'debunking'", The Times, Times Newspapers Ltd. Retrieved on
2007-03-02.
panam...@hotmail.com
I'll bet the only ones of these "relics" that couldn't be debunked are
the ones the preists just won't allow to be tested. <g>
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Uncle Vic
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
> <lorri...@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
That was my post.
>
>
>>Why doesn't your piddly god just show
>>himself and end all the bullshit?
>
> He did. You still reject Him. So why do you
> pretend to be honest about it?
>
When? Bibletime or real time? If bibletime is real time, then he wouldn't
mind doing it again, within MY lifetime. Since Biblegod hasn't made an
appearance since bibletime, something's obviously wrong. I'm guessing
bibletime is one of those historical skews, like the one in Back to the
Future II. Great movie, but like the bible, and "bibletime", it's fiction.
snex
lets see a DNA test.
johac
<1730288a-5ac2-4fd8...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
snex <sn...@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd laugh if it turns out to be pig or donkey blood.
--
John #1782
•R. L. Measures
<to...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:38:39 -0400, J wrote:
>
> > Another in a long list of events that atheists have no answer for.
> >
>
> You don't do much outside reading, do you?
>
> "A secular explanation suggests that the liquefaction miracle involves not
> blood but rather a thixotropic gel, such as hydrated iron oxide,
> FeO(OH).[12] In such a substance viscosity increases if left unstirred and
> decreases if stirred or moved. The liquifaction has been replicated in the
> laboratory."
** Chortle. There's one born every minute.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
•R. L. Measures
<602c2b18-5da3-4cf2...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 22, 6:20=A0am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 6:48=A0am, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Sep 21, 9:38=A0pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > > snip
> >
> > >http://www.religionnewsblog.com/12250/naples-blood-boils-at-miracles-...
> >
> > > -PF, Atl.
> > > etc.
> >
> > Better late than never. the "Holy Blood" of Hailes Abbey was debunked
> > in 1538 and no one in the UK has taken that kind of thing seriously
> > since.
>
> I'll bet the only ones of these "relics" that couldn't be debunked are
> the ones the preists just won't allow to be tested. <g>
>
• Indeed Floyd. One of the more recent RCC mistakes was to allow
scientific testing of the Shroud of Turin - thereby proving that it was
made c. a millenium after the crucifiixion. . For the LdS/mormon church,
a recent big mistake was to allow scientific testing of the Kinderhook
Plates - thereby proving that their revered "prophet" Smith was a clever
scamster.
Pastor Dave
<flad...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
>On Sep 22, 11:12 am, Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
>> <lorriem...@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
>>
>> >Why doesn't your piddly god just show
>> >himself and end all the bullshit?
>>
>> He did. You still reject Him. So why do you
>> pretend to be honest about it?
>
>When? Where? Is there any evidence?
You know when and where and that there is
evidence. So why do you pretend to be asking
honest questions?
--
Pastor Dave
When you get tangled up in your problems, be still.
God wants us to be still, so he can untangle the knot.
Pastor Dave
thusly:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:12:31 -0400, Pastor Dave
><ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:12:56 -0700, "Lorrie S."
>><lorri...@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Why doesn't your piddly god just show
>>>himself and end all the bullshit?
>>
>>He did.
>
>When and where, liar?
You call me a liar and yet, you are the one
who is asking when and where, while calling
me a liar before I answer. That's disingenuous.
>> You still reject Him.
>
>Nobody is "rejecting" what you have never shown
You still reject Him and it is disingenuous to pretend
that I personally had to show it to you, as if I am
the keeper of the holy evidence or something.
Goodbye now.
--
Pastor Dave
When you work here, you can name your own salary.
I named mine "Skinny".
Steve O
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>
>
>
Superstitious twit.
Why you think any of this drivel is important or meaningful is beyond me.
--
Steve O
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B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by Papal Indulgence
Alex W.
"Steve O" <nos...@herethanks.com> wrote in message
news:6js25cF...@mid.individual.net...
> Why you think any of this drivel is important or
> meaningful is beyond me.
>
Now you know how I feel about your smoking theories...
:-)
Steve O
"Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6k01g0F...@mid.individual.net...
That was a low baller.
Wanna start THAT debate again?
;-)
Alex W.
>
> "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6k01g0F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Steve O" <nos...@herethanks.com> wrote in message
>> news:6js25cF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> Why you think any of this drivel is important or
>>> meaningful is beyond me.
>>>
>>
>> Now you know how I feel about your smoking theories...
>> :-)
>>
>>
> Ooooh!
> That was a low baller.
> Wanna start THAT debate again?
> ;-)
Anytime, anyplace, bub.
Steve O
I reckon one debate in one lifetime on that subject was enough.
Jeez, it went on forever, didn't it?
>
Alex W.
So no desire to miraculously resurrect it?
Steve O
I've forgotten most of it by now.
I still use the same theory to keep weight down, which does get a little
harder as you get older.
Still quite fit at 47, though.
Hey, hold a minute - I've started doing that pensioner thing where you add
an extra year to your actual age.
"Eeeh!- I'll be ninety one next birthday!
Alex W.
Bodies change.
Don't fight it (too hard).
Plus, the extra fat will help keep male menopause and
osteoporosis at bay.
> Still quite fit at 47, though.
> Hey, hold a minute - I've started doing that pensioner
> thing where you add an extra year to your actual age.
> "Eeeh!- I'll be ninety one next birthday!
Better than claiming you're 46 and five-sevenths....