Cows

[Jahnu]

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[Father Haskell]

On Nov 3, 8:20 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
>
> Cows - taste REAL fucking good.

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Cows - taste REAL fucking good.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"

-Albert Einstein

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[Father Haskell]

On Nov 3, 10:40 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Cows - taste REAL fucking good.
>
> "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
> of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"

Enjoy your broccoli burger.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<5b074b7b-e1eb-453b...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

We really do need to eat less meat. Or decrease the population.

That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
alternatives several days a week.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:43:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Enjoy your broccoli burger.

Broccoli - yum! And avocado and olives, rye bread, butter and cheese -
yum. No need for violence. You know, all the violence you cause other
living entities, or help causing, will come back to haunt yourself -
law of karma. You can't escape it... force of nature. To support the
slaughter-house culture is definitely not smart, if one has one's own
welfare in sight...

You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is
concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.

--Ralph Waldo Emerson

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[Jahnu]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
>alternatives several days a week.

Let me give you some pointers. You can get the protein and fat, you
normally obtain from meat, from milk and milk-products.

A fully nourishing lunch can be - two slices of wholesome bread, one
avocado cut in half and stone removed. Some emmenthaler cheese, some
sour cream, some olives and some lemon. Eat the avocado with a slob of
sour creame on top and sprikled with lemon juice and black pebber and
little salt.

Together with bread, cheese and olives, yum...

and salad, like rocket or other letuce with olive oil, lemonjuice, and
salt. What to speak of butter-steamed broccoli... yum.

No human needs to consume meat. It's bad karma for you...

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[Don Martin]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

Mormon missionaries are nice.

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[Irreverend Dave]

Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><5b074b7b-e1eb-453b...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 10:40 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>>> >
>>> > <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > > Cows - taste REAL fucking good.
>>> >
>>> > "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
>>> > survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
>>> > diet"
>>>
>>> Enjoy your broccoli burger.
>>
>>We really do need to eat less meat. Or decrease the population.
>>
>>That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
>>alternatives several days a week.
>
> Mormon missionaries are nice.
>

As are Hindus. They're grain fed doncha know!


--
"Theology is not a source of genuine knowledge and therefore is not a
science. Reason and religion are thus at odds with each other." -
William Lane Craig

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:57:46 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
<revere...@ministerpants.com> wrote:

>Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article
>>><5b074b7b-e1eb-453b...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 3, 10:40 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>>>> >
>>>> > <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > > Cows - taste REAL fucking good.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
>>>> > survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
>>>> > diet"
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy your broccoli burger.
>>>
>>>We really do need to eat less meat. Or decrease the population.
>>>
>>>That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
>>>alternatives several days a week.
>>
>> Mormon missionaries are nice.
>
>As are Hindus. They're grain fed doncha know!

Permitting one to be a second-degree vegetarian.
The Mormons have more bicycles for resale, though.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 4, 1:57 pm, Irreverend Dave <reverend_d...@ministerpants.com>
wrote:

> Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

> > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>In article
> >><5b074b7b-e1eb-453b-bf0e-22665d1a9...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

> >> Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 3, 10:40 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> >>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>
> >>> > <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> > > Cows - taste REAL fucking good.
>
> >>> > "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
> >>> > survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
> >>> > diet"
>
> >>> Enjoy your broccoli burger.
>
> >>We really do need to eat less meat. Or decrease the population.
>
> >>That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
> >>alternatives several days a week.
>
> > Mormon missionaries are nice.
>
> As are Hindus. They're grain fed doncha know!

Corned hindoo, yum...

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 4, 1:07 am, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:43:44 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Enjoy your broccoli burger.
>
> Broccoli - yum! And avocado and olives, rye bread, butter and cheese -
> yum. No need for violence.

Not with a weapon of mass destruction of that caliber.
Broccoli farts are capable of stripping paint, according
to those who've survived them.

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:18:53 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Not with a weapon of mass destruction of that caliber.
>Broccoli farts are capable of stripping paint, according
>to those who've survived them.

Nobody survives. The death rate is still a 100 %. But everyone could
improve their quality of life greatly by going vegetarian.

Vegetarian - It’s Healthier

Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat. It’s a fact.
Scientific studies show that vegetarians suffer much less from
illnesses like cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and other
common health problems. A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die of
any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).

A US study of 50,000 vegetarians showed a very low rate of cancer
(Seventh Day Adventist Study, Massachussets). It has been estimated
that by following a low-fat vegetarian diet, the risk of food
poisoning is decreased by 80%. More evidence
of the benefits of a vegetarian diet is being found each year.

From TIME magazine (July 2002) - A balanced vegetarian diet is better
for humans than one that includes meat:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020715/index.html

Vegetarian - It’s Humane

Billions of animals are killed in slaughterhouses around the world. In
the US, some half a million are killed each hour, while in the UK over
600 million are killed each year. A proportional number are killed in
Australia. It is nothing more than an undercover massacre. Animals
suffer enormously in the process. Quite apart from the terror of being
killed, they undergo pain and
fear through routine stock mutilations and during transportation to
saleyards and abattoirs.

Most animals eaten in New Zealand, Australia, UK, USA and similar
countries today are intensively raised in dark, sunless sheds where
they are fed a diet of processed foods. In most cases antibiotics,
growth-promotants and hormones are routinely administered. As
biological entities,these animals are treated as little more than meat
machines. We would be horrified if our pet cat or dog was treated in
this way, so why should we subject other animals to such cruelty? The
fact that the killing is done by someone else makes it easy to eat
meat but, by eating it, we are really condemning the next animal in
line.
Have you ever really stopped to think about the cruelty we
systematically inflict on other species simply by eating them?

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-cruelty-page.htm
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-equal-respect-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Economical

Meat is expensive, both economically and agriculturally. With so many
starving people in the world today it is a criminal waste of food to
produce it. Meat-animals are fed perfectly good plant food which could
have been fed directly to starving people. For instance, it takes 17
kilos -of corn, beans, grain, etc, to produce one kilo of beef in
feedlot cattle. This is like investing
$17.00 in a bank term deposit and withdrawing $1.00 at maturity! It
requires massive reserves of land to grow the crops which are used as
animal feed. About 70% of crops grown in the US are fed to animals and
not to humans. Meanwhile, a child dies of starvation somewhere in the
world every two seconds. As the world human population grows, so too
does the need for the dwindling reserves of arable land on which to
grow crops to feed it.

see more fact about the cost of meat in different ways HERE:
www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Environmentally Friendly In Central America, entire
forests are felled or burnt to provide land for grazing cattle. Most
of these cattle end up as second-quality hamburger meat for the North
American junk food market. Being hard-hooved, cattle erode the
vulnerable topsoil, while each animal produces over 300 litres of
methane (a “greenhouse” gas) per day.
Also, the trees which are felled to clear land for cattle ranching are
left to rot. The termites which then feed on them produce even more
methane than the cattle.

Weight for weight, cattle alone outweigh the entire human population
of our planet. A recent Greenpeace report told how the dairy industry
of California uses enough water to supply a city of 22 million people.
The effluent produced from intensive piggeries, cattle feedlots and
broiler units is polluting our river systems. A NSW government
newsletter pointed out that the late
Homebush abattoirs was the single greatest industrial polluter of
Sydney’s coastal waters.

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-environment-page.htm

Vegetarian - Exploding Some Myths

Understandably, people are a bit apprehensive about changing their
diet. Everyone seems to know “someone” who looks as pale as a bleached
potato since giving up meat! The truth is that a well-balanced
vegetarian diet provides all the protein and nutrients needed for a
vigorous and healthy life (American Dietary Association Study). What
is seldom pointed out are the
millions of conventional eaters who suffer from constipation,
malnutrition, gout and a host of other problems and diseases brought
on by a lack of fresh fruit and vegetables in their diet, combined
with the adverse effects of meat.

A study carried out the by University of Surrey in Britain found that
vegetarians were better nourished than meat eaters, and much closer to
the “ideal” diet recommended by the government’s own health advisers.

More information on our Vegetarianism and Beyond site
www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-AdirajIntroVeg.html
Hard Facts www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm
Links to hundreds of Vegetarianism related sites
www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.html

Vegetarian - Aren't We Designed To Eat Meat? Not at all. Many people
say that we are meat-eaters because we have sharp teeth. This is like
judging a book by its cover. Look inside and you will find out what is
really going on.

Our digestive system resembles that of the herbivores and the
frugivores (fruit-eaters). It consists of a very long intestine
allowing slow digestion of nutrients. By contrast, carnivores have a
short digestive tract designed so that meat can quickly pass through
the body before it putrefies and becomes toxic. To compensate for this
rapid transition, carnivores have a stomach acid concentration 10
times greater than that of vegetarian mammals (including humans) to
enable them to quickly digest the meat. When humans eat meat it begins
to putrefy before leaving the body, often resulting in disorders as
diverse as
constipation and bowel cancer if eaten persistently over a period of
time. Sure, the more fibre eaten with meat, the quicker it passes
through the intestines, but why eat meat at all? Only vegetable matter
contains fibre and a good vegetarian diet provides all the fibre the
body needs without having to add extra”artificially”.

If you are serious about lowering your cholesterol intake, a
vegetarian diet is the best way to go since only animal products
contain cholesterol.

Health Fact Sheet www.hknet.org.nz/VegeGo.html
Speaking out - www.hknet.org.nz/veg-stubborn-page.htm

Vegetarianism and the Bible -

You mean it says that in the Bible
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-UmeanItsinBible.html
Religion and Vegetarianism -
www.hknet.org.nz/WesternIndologists-page.htm
Random Christian Quotes supporting Vegetarianism
- www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-christians-page.htm

Vegetarian - What do I eat then?

Most people imagine vegetarian eating to be meat and two “veg” minus
the meat. To a conventional meat-eater this sounds like someone being
sold a car with the engine missing! Nothing could be further from the
truth. Vegetarian eating is about eating a wide variety offoods
prepared in an abundance of different ways.

Being a good vegetarian means being adventurous and open-minded about
food. It is not simply about eating a predictable menu day-in,
day-out. Many vegetarian staples had their origin in different
countries hundreds of years ago . pasta from China (and later Italy),
tofu from China, and tempeh from Indonesia. Tofu is bean curd made
from soya beans. Tempeh is a sort of
nut-flavoured cheese made from fermented soy beans. It is rich in
enzymes and easily digested.

Both can be bought at health food stores and larger supermarkets.
These are not merely substitutes for meat, but nutritious food in
themselves which have proved to be an excellent source of protein for
centuries.

Stupid things that vegetarians hear all the time
from meat-eaters: www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html#Stupid

Vegetarian - Where Do I Get My Protein?

Protein is naturally very plentiful. It occurs in every living thing,
plant and animal. Apart from fruit and vegetables, good sources of
protein include pasta, lentils, rice, potatoes, soy beans, chick peas,
nuts, seeds and grains, with or without moderate use of eggs and dairy
products.

The amount you need depends on different personal attributes (weight,
height, etc) and the daily requirement varies considerably from 20 to
90 grams per day. By eating a variety of foods each day you should
easily meet your individual requirements. In fact, the nutritional
attitude to protein has changed dramatically in recent years. The
old-fashioned notion that “you can never get too much protein” has now
been proved wrong. Excess protein not used by the body has to be
broken down and excreted as waste. In fact, a major culprit in many
human degenerative diseases is a protein overdose. For example,
calcium loss in osteoporosis has been linked largely to an excess of
high-protein foods.

This site lists everything that anyone would need to have a balanced
healthy life-style as a vegetarian; vitamins and minerals sources, the
food triangle, check it out: www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html
Vegetarian - What about Minerals like Iron and Calcium?

A sound vegetarian diet should provide all needed nutrients. The
presence of vitamin C with iron in the diet will help iron absorption
by up to 30%.

It is a myth that you have to eat meat to get sufficient iron. It is
readily available in breakfast cereals, whole grain products, soy
products, legumes and leafy green vegetables. Tiredness is not
necessarily caused by iron deficiency. It may also be caused by lack
of sleep, depression, stress and poor eating habits (usually junk
food).

Calcium is found in all unprocessed vegetable foods in amounts that
are sufficient to meet the needs of both adults and growing children.
Whatever the calcium intake, the intestine absorbs sufficient calcium
to meet the body’s needs. Good sources of calcium are sesame seeds,
tofu, almonds, soy beans, parsley, green vegetables and fortified soy
milk. A recent dietary study on 6,500 Chinese found that even those
who ate no animal products actually consumed twice the amount of iron
as the average North American. In spite of the fact that dairy
products were not eaten, osteoporosis was almost unknown.

It's all here www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html

Vegetarian - The change - How Do I Start?

The best place to start going vegetarian is in the kitchen! Buy a
cookbook and start preparing. You will soon get used to the types of
food that are used and how they are prepared. Also, your taste for
vegetarian food will adapt. If you are doubtful about your abilities
as a cook you can enrol in cooking classes. Information about these is
often available in health food shops and some courses are run at TAFE
colleges(in Australia).

See HERE www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.htm for some we know of.....
otherwise the Vegetarian
Society(ies) www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links2.htm often has a list of
recommended classes.

Giving up meat might seem strange at first, but so does giving up
tobacco to the cigarette addict! If you feel that you can’t drop meat
straight away, try cutting it down bit by bit.

Just increase your use of foods like beans, grains, nuts, seeds, tofu,
tempeh, gluten and some of the many low cholesterol convenience foods
(like burgers and sausages) now available at health food stores and
supermarkets.

Some Recommended On-line and Hard-copy Cook books Higher Taste
Cookbook - available from Hare Krishna temples and centres view it
on-line http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/ht/ or at
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/

Great Vegetarian Dishes by Kurma dasa - BBT
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/vd.html
Cooking With Kurma - http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/cwk.html
The Hare Krishna Book of vegetarian cooking
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/hkvc.html
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/hkvc1.html
Vegetarian and lowfat food recipes (WinHelp)
(FREE Download) http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?500000010774

Others available at the bookstore:

Eat More, Weigh Less by Dean Ornish
Food for Life by Neal Barnard
Squirrel’s Cookbook No.1 & No.2
PassionATE - Pure Vegetarian Cuisine
Christine Lehmann
The Cookbook for People Who Love Animals
Gentle World
The Vegan Health Plan Amanda Sweet
The Moosewood Cookbook Mollie Katzen
The Vegan Kitchen Mate David Horton
Vegetarian Cookery Rose Elliot
Sarah Brown’s Vegetarian Cookbook Sarah Brown
The Very Best of Vegetarian Cooking Janet Hunt
Gourmet Vegetarian Cooking Rose Elliot
First Steps in Vegetarian Cooking Kathy SilkFor children and babies
The Vegetarian Baby Sharon Yntema
Vegetarian Children Sharon Yntema
Rose Elliot’s Vegetarian Mother and Baby Book

Vegetarian - Do You Want to Know More?

The following books are highly recommended for their revealing
analysis of all aspects of vegetarianism and how it relates to health,
the environment and animal rights.

Living Without Cruelty Mark Gold (Green Print)
Food for a Future Jon Wynne-Tyson (Centaur Press)
The Silent Ark Juliet Gellatley
Diet For a New America
John Robbins (Stillpoint Publishing)
Why You Don’t Need Meat Peter Cox (Bloomsbury)
Animal Factories
Jim Mason and Peter Singer (Crown Publishers)
Your Heart, Your Planet
Harvey Diamond (Pythagorean Press)

Vegetarian - Why Do So Many People Eat Meat?

Meat-eating in the quantity our society eats today really began with
the industrial revolution. Better machines led to more efficient
agriculture. When a surplus of crops was produced, this was fed to
animals and the animals eaten by those who could afford meat. Thus
meat became something of a status symbol. Unfortunately the status
symbol developed into a habit so that most of us in the wealthier
countries think that it is a normal part of our diet. As we approach a
new century, it is high time we turned back to the healthier, less
wasteful diet of our forebears.

Today the meat and dairy industries promote the myth of their products
being necessary through heavy advertising (you only have to count the
times they appear on television to see that!). Close behind them are
the pharmaceutical companies which provide the hormones, antibiotics
and growth promotants to the animal producers.

Altogether there are many vested interests in keeping us eating animal
products! Unfortunately the only interests that are lost in this
expensive advertising jungle are yours.

Individual health . and a healthy environment . begins with good
eating habits, and a vegetarian lifestyle is the simplest and most
effective way to achieve them.

Living in Harmony with Vegetarians www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html
Taking a graphic look at Animal slaughter and meat eating:
www.hknet.org.nz/DeadAnimalFleshnFood.html

Download books, musik and video VCd that reveal the truth about the
big business behind keeping you addicted to eating meat with no
consideration for man nor beast: www.hknet.org.nz/V-meetURmeat.html

Vegetarian - 101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian:
http://www.vivavegie.org/vv101/index.html

Vegetarian - Making the Change

To make any change is not easy, particularly when it involves
explanations to friends and family. However, making a change that you
know will take an enormous burden off the environmental stresses of
the planet, that will improve your health and ultimately save millions
of animals from cruelty makes it easy.

Already in the US and Britain there is a massive change towards a
meat-free diet. Some half a million people are adopting a vegetarian
lifestyle each year in the US while the number of British vegetarians
is now 4 million. The trend is catching in Australia and New Zealand
where many, mainly young people, are realising that they want a
healthy and humane future.

Whether you go vegetarian overnight or over a period of time does not
matter. The important thing is to get on the track. Even cutting down
on meat consumption will make an enormous difference.

TIME magazine ran an 8 page article asking "Should we all be
Vegetarians?" their conclusion was that a healthy balanced vegetarian
diet is better than one that includes meat
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-articles.html

Health and a Meatless Diet
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-health-meatless-diet-page.htm

A Beginners Guide to Vegetarianism:
http://people.qualcomm.com/sriharid/info/vegetarianism/veg.html

How Mary and Frank and Friends Eat - very nice Vegetarian pages:
http://www.all-creatures.org/recipes.html

The new millenium is the time to make the change. Let’s make it a goal
for the whole planet. Remember . You’re in good company!

Vegetarian - Famous Vegetarians

Pythagoras, Plutarch, Leonardo Da Vinci,
Tolstoy, Shelley, George Bernard Shaw, Gandhi,
Thoreau, Bob Dylan, Joanna Lumley, George
Harrison, Paul and Linda McCartney, Michael
Jackson, Madona, Martina Navratilova, Hayley
Mills, William Shatner, Sir Mark Oliphant, Cliff
Young, Peter Singer, Bob Barker, Spike Milligan,
Nigel Hawthorne, Annie Besant, Anthony Robbins,
Peter Sumner, Chrissie Hynde, Tim
McCartney-Snape, Peter Brock, Lynda Stoner,
Johnny Weissmuller (the first Tarzan), Julie
Christie, Morissey (The Smiths), Marty Feldman,
Murray Rose, Paavo Nurmi (9 Olympic medals),
Andreas Cahling (body building champion), Dave
Scott (6-time Ironman Triathlon winner),
k.d.lang, Belinda Carlisle, Edwin Moses, Sean
Hughes, Bryan Adams, Dennis Weaver, Woody
Harrelson, Killer Kowalski (champion wrestler),
Alicia Silverstone, Annalise Braakensiek, Vanessa
Amorosi, Greg Chappell, Jerry Seinfeld, Uri
Geller, Kim Basinger, Alec Baldwin, James
Cromwell, Radha Mitchell, Daniel Johns
(silverchair), Susie Porter, Joaquin Phoenix,
Josef Brown, Daniel Jones (Savage Garden).

To see hundreds more visit our page
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-famouspeople-page.htm

For all this and more see our page at Vegetarianism and Beyond
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veges-Beyond5page.htm or at
http://turn.to/Vegetarianism

For still more information mailto:jt...@xtra.co.nz

This page is also available on-line
www.hknet.org.nz/VegeFacts-links.html and as a printable Fact-sheet
without html links at www.hknet.org.nz/VegeFacts.html

[Smiler]

They make a nice curry.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Don Martin]

On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 02:45:49 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:14:43 -0800, Father Haskell wrote:
>
>> On Nov 4, 1:57�pm, Irreverend Dave <reverend_d...@ministerpants.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:31:02 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>> > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>In article
>>> >><5b074b7b-e1eb-453b-bf0e-22665d1a9...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> >> Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> On Nov 3, 10:40 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:29:07 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
>>>
>>> >>> > <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>> > > Cows - taste REAL fucking good.
>>>
>>> >>> > "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
>>> >>> > survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian
>>> >>> > diet"
>>>
>>> >>> Enjoy your broccoli burger.
>>>
>>> >>We really do need to eat less meat. Or decrease the population.
>>>
>>> >>That said, I have no intention of giving up meat, just trying to find
>>> >>alternatives several days a week.
>>>
>>> > Mormon missionaries are nice.
>>>
>>> As are Hindus. They're grain fed doncha know!
>>
>> Corned hindoo, yum...
>
>They make a nice curry.

But they are versatile and not limited to a single cuisine. Try
hindoo bourguignon or General Tso's Hindoo.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Just baked bens baked Alaskans.

[Smiler]

Hindu tartar with pickled Gurkhas.

[Don Martin]

Sorry, but given the high rates of parasitism on the subcontinent, I cannot
recommend underdone Hindu. The Gurkhas would be OK, but they are tough.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 6, 12:59 pm, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:27:11 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>

Gurkha jerky, won't matter, it's like shoe leather anyway.

[Smiler]

Not when they're well pickled. You've never had khukri lessons, I presume.

[WangoTango]

In article <hlwdjsd2-2A2EDF...@news.giganews.com>, hlwdjsd2
@NOSPAMgmail.com says...

And that is the sensible thing to do, and that is what my family and I
do. Lots of legumes and rice, or spuds, as the main attraction, along
with a salad, animal protein as the side dish, if you will. Lots of
fish, and chicken, read meat less often. However, I do hunt, and we
enjoy the lean meat that brings to the table. It is the healthy and
cost effective thing to do, not because some superstition comes into
play. Had baked tilapia last night, yummy on a bed of Jasmine rice.

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:07:54 -0500, WankerTango wrote:

>And that is the sensible thing to do, and that is what my family and I
>do. Lots of legumes and rice, or spuds, as the main attraction, along
>with a salad, animal protein as the side dish, if you will. Lots of
>fish, and chicken, read meat less often. However, I do hunt, and we
>enjoy the lean meat that brings to the table. It is the healthy and
>cost effective thing to do, not because some superstition comes into
>play. Had baked tilapia last night, yummy on a bed of Jasmine rice.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
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[WangoTango]

In article <kh1m98tvslr9utbla...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:07:54 -0500, WankerTango wrote:
>
> >And that is the sensible thing to do, and that is what my family and I
> >do. Lots of legumes and rice, or spuds, as the main attraction, along
> >with a salad, animal protein as the side dish, if you will. Lots of
> >fish, and chicken, read meat less often. However, I do hunt, and we
> >enjoy the lean meat that brings to the table. It is the healthy and
> >cost effective thing to do, not because some superstition comes into
> >play. Had baked tilapia last night, yummy on a bed of Jasmine rice.
>
> HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

You are wasting your breath with me.
The problem with a zealot is they want you to believe with them so much
they would make it a law if they could. It is all about choice, my diet
is MY choice.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:44:44 -0500, WankerTango :

>You are wasting your breath with me.
>The problem with a zealot is they want you to believe with them so much
>they would make it a law if they could. It is all about choice, my diet
>is MY choice.

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"

--Albert Einstein

[WangoTango]

In article <j9ko98lh4hat8tcg3...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:44:44 -0500, WankerTango :
>
> >You are wasting your breath with me.
> >The problem with a zealot is they want you to believe with them so much
> >they would make it a law if they could. It is all about choice, my diet
> >is MY choice.
>
> "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
> of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
>
>

The problem with your "If we just didn't feed our grain to animals"
argument is that the farmers that grow the various grains expect to make
a return on that investment, and sending off grain to people that can't
pay for it is a losing proposition. If we all went vegan tomorrow, the
amount of crops grown would drop to be in line with that demand, HERE.
The poor starving people would still be poor and still be starving.
The common denominator here is the POVERTY not the meat eating.
The only way to fix the problem is to make sure that there is the rule
of law to protect property rights so people can invest in their own
future.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:44:28 -0500, WangoTango
<Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>The problem with your "If we just didn't feed our grain to animals"
>argument is that the farmers that grow the various grains expect to make
>a return on that investment, and sending off grain to people that can't
>pay for it is a losing proposition. If we all went vegan tomorrow, the
>amount of crops grown would drop to be in line with that demand, HERE.
>The poor starving people would still be poor and still be starving.
>The common denominator here is the POVERTY not the meat eating.
>The only way to fix the problem is to make sure that there is the rule
>of law to protect property rights so people can invest in their own
>future.

Hungry world 'must eat less meat'
By Alex Kirby
BBC News Online environment correspondent


Livestock needs a lot of water

World water supplies will not be enough for our descendants to enjoy
the sort of diet the West eats now, experts say.

The World Water Week in Stockholm will be told the growth in demand
for meat and dairy products is unsustainable.

Animals need much more water than grain to produce the same amount of
food, and ending malnutrition and feeding even more mouths will take
still more water.

Scientists say the world will have to change its consumption patterns
to have any realistic hope of feeding itself.
Losing the race

The World Water Week conference is held annually in the Swedish
capital, and is organised by the Stockholm International Water
Institute, Siwi. This year's runs from 15 to 21 August.

It's going to be almost impossible to feed future generations the
kind of diet we have now in western Europe and North America

Anders Berntell, Stockholm International Water Institute
Siwi says: "With about 840 million people undernourished or lacking a
secure food supply today, and another two billion or more people... by
2025, feeding the world's growing population - and finding the water
to grow the food - continues to be a basic and sizeable challenge."
A paper to be delivered during the conference, entitled Water: More
Nutrition Per Drop, says: "For several decades, the increase in food
production has outpaced population growth. Now much of the world is
simply running out of water for more production... "

The World Health Organisation calls malnutrition "the silent
emergency", and says it is a factor in at least half the 10.4 million
child deaths which occur every year.

Grain goes far to feed the world

Anders Berntell, Siwi's executive director, told BBC News Online: "The
basic problem is that food is the main global consumer of water, with
irrigation taking 70% or more of all the water we use, apart from huge
volumes of rainwater.

"The bottom line is that we've got to do something to reduce the
amount of water we devote to growing food today.
Upturn in demand

"Animals fed on grain, and also those which rely on grazing, need far
more water than grain crops.

WATER AND FOOD

A kilogram of grain-fed beef needs at least 15 cubic metres of water
A kilo of lamb from a sheep fed on grass needs 10 cubic metres
A kilo of cereals needs from 0.4 to 3 cubic metres
"But in the developed world, and in parts of some developing
countries, consumers are demanding more meat.
"Of course people should have healthier diets and a higher intake of
nutrients: we don't want to stop that.

Slow to dawn

"But it's going to be almost impossible to feed future generations the
kind of diet we have now in western Europe and North America.

Meat is a treat for the rich

"Most of us don't appreciate, either politically or personally, the
challenge of finding enough water to grow enough food, though in some
countries it's a problem of everyday living.

"I think the world's future water supply is a problem that's an entire
order of magnitude greater than we've begun to realise."
Mr Berntell said the rich would be able to buy their way out of
trouble by importing "virtual water" - the water needed to grow the
food they bought from abroad.

He said: "The transport of virtual water is huge. Australians were
astonished to find that although their country is short of water,
they're net exporters of water in the form of meat."

[WangoTango]

In article <dpkr98p21e6hst5dh...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 14:44:28 -0500, WangoTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >The problem with your "If we just didn't feed our grain to animals"
> >argument is that the farmers that grow the various grains expect to make
> >a return on that investment, and sending off grain to people that can't
> >pay for it is a losing proposition. If we all went vegan tomorrow, the
> >amount of crops grown would drop to be in line with that demand, HERE.
> >The poor starving people would still be poor and still be starving.
> >The common denominator here is the POVERTY not the meat eating.
> >The only way to fix the problem is to make sure that there is the rule
> >of law to protect property rights so people can invest in their own
> >future.
>
>
> Hungry world 'must eat less meat'
> By Alex Kirby
> BBC News Online environment correspondent
>
>
> Livestock needs a lot of water

Yep, and your argument is still invalid.

These are the problems that the very industries you are bitching about
are working on. No business sets itself up to go OUT of business. We
create more food on less land than at anytime in history. I see no
reason to doubt that we will adapt or overcome these problems too.
People will pay for what they want.

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:43 -0500, WankerTango
<Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>These are the problems that the very industries you are bitching about
>are working on. No business sets itself up to go OUT of business. We
>create more food on less land than at anytime in history

You? Creating food? hahaha :) You create nothing. Nature creates food,
bozo. The civilization you are a mindless product of, has created
nothing but mayhem and destruction on the planet. The modern Coca-cola
culture is the most harmful and destructive culture this planet has
ever seen.

> I see no
>reason to doubt that we will adapt or overcome these problems too.
>People will pay for what they want.

Krishna says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 12, 7:56 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:43 -0500, WankerTango
>

> <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >These are the problems that the very industries you are bitching about
> >are working on.  No business sets itself up to go OUT of business.  We
> >create more food on less land than at anytime in history
>
> You? Creating food? hahaha :) You create nothing. Nature creates food,
> bozo.

And humans improve it. You'd worship farmers instead
of harry kirshner if you were the least honest.

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:31:07 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>And humans improve it.

Humans have improved nothing made by nature. They have only managed to
make it worse.

>You'd worship farmers instead
>of harry kirshner if you were the least honest.

One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda.

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana

[WangoTango]

In article <s063a85fs8c8bmd0t...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:43 -0500, WankerTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >These are the problems that the very industries you are bitching about
> >are working on. No business sets itself up to go OUT of business. We
> >create more food on less land than at anytime in history
>
> You? Creating food? hahaha :) You create nothing. Nature creates food,
> bozo. The civilization you are a mindless product of, has created
> nothing but mayhem and destruction on the planet. The modern Coca-cola
> culture is the most harmful and destructive culture this planet has
> ever seen.

LOL, I don't buy into your mumbo jumbo buddy.
People are living the longest and healthiest in history.
100 years ago you couldn't talk to a family that didn't know or have
someone that died of a communicable disease. Now, you would be hard
pressed to find that in any industrialized nation. Have we made
mistakes? Sure, but we learn from our mistakes, and religion and
mysticism are, by definition, static and unchanging. Well, that's not
entirely true, they have had to give some sway where science kicks their
ignorance flat on its' face and they have no choice but be dragged along
for the ride.

>
> > I see no
> >reason to doubt that we will adapt or overcome these problems too.
> >People will pay for what they want.
>
> Krishna says:

> Man who go to bed with itchy butt wakes up with stinky fingers.

[WangoTango]

In article <8gi3a85ql37hiv850...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:31:07 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
> <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >And humans improve it.
>
> Humans have improved nothing made by nature. They have only managed to
> make it worse.

Really? Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:44:44 -0500, WangoTango
<Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Really? Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?

Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
door, nothing human about it.

Krishna says:

One who is not connected with the Supreme [in Krsna consciousness] can
have neither transcendental intelligence nor a steady mind, without
which there is no possibility of peace. And how can there be any
happiness without peace? (Bg 2.66)

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:44 -0500, WangoTango
<Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>LOL, I don't buy into your mumbo jumbo buddy.

Nobody, not even your mother, gives a shit what you buy into.

>People are living the longest and healthiest in history.

hahaha :) ...are you serious? People have never been more sick,
unhealthy and despressed than at present. The sales of
anti-depressants have shot through the roof in later years. They build
more more hospitals and the queues outside them are getting longer and
longer.

>100 years ago you couldn't talk to a family that didn't know or have
>someone that died of a communicable disease. Now, you would be hard
>pressed to find that in any industrialized nation. Have we made
>mistakes? Sure, but we learn from our mistakes, and religion and
>mysticism are, by definition, static and unchanging. Well, that's not
>entirely true, they have had to give some sway where science kicks their
>ignorance flat on its' face and they have no choice but be dragged along
>for the ride.

Good little clone faithfully repeating the dogma of the day...

Shukadeva Gosvami says:

Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy,
duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day
by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.

--Srimad Bhagavatam, 12.2.2

[Smiler]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:14:28 +0530, Jahnu wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:44 -0500, WangoTango <Asga...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
>>LOL, I don't buy into your mumbo jumbo buddy.
>
> Nobody, not even your mother, gives a shit what you buy into.
>
>>People are living the longest and healthiest in history.
>
> hahaha :) ...are you serious? People have never been more sick, unhealthy
> and despressed than at present. The sales of anti-depressants have shot
> through the roof in later years. They build more more hospitals and the
> queues outside them are getting longer and longer.
>
>>100 years ago you couldn't talk to a family that didn't know or have
>>someone that died of a communicable disease. Now, you would be hard
>>pressed to find that in any industrialized nation. Have we made
>>mistakes? Sure, but we learn from our mistakes, and religion and
>>mysticism are, by definition, static and unchanging. Well, that's not
>>entirely true, they have had to give some sway where science kicks their
>>ignorance flat on its' face and they have no choice but be dragged along
>>for the ride.
>
> Good little clone faithfully repeating the dogma of the day...
>

My grade 1, top of the range, Ironymeter just exploded!

<snip krishnacrap>

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:21:42 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
wrote:

>My grade 1, top of the range, Ironymeter just exploded!

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.

--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"Jahnu" <Jahn...@gamail.com> wrote in message
news:lfp5a8h0psl2gpt37...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:44:44 -0500, WangoTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Really? Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?
>
> Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
> door, nothing human about it.

There's nothing human about a cow either. They're some of the dumbest
animals on the planet. And they have no souls. If God hadn't intended for
us to eat them, why did He make them out of beef?

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 13, 7:31 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:44:44 -0500, WangoTango
>

> <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >Really?  Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?
>
> Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
> door, nothing human about it.

Who planted it?

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:57:18 -0600, "Zacharias Mulletstein" blithered:

>There's nothing human about a cow either. They're some of the dumbest
>animals on the planet. And they have no souls. If God hadn't intended for
>us to eat them, why did He make them out of beef?

The cow is one of the 7 mothers of human kind. Humans grow up on cow's
milk, therefore she is considered a sacred mother.

If God didn't intend you to eat your wife and kids why did He make
them out of meat, Dumbo?

"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 12, 11:20 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:31:07 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >And humans improve it.
>
> Humans have improved nothing made by nature. They have only managed to
> make it worse.

Been in a supermarket lately? Every bit of produce is
a human-bred hybrid.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 13, 11:28 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:57:18 -0600, "Zacharias Mulletstein" blithered:
>
> >There's nothing human about a cow either.  They're some of the dumbest
> >animals on the planet.  And they have no souls.  If God hadn't intended for
> >us to eat them, why did He make them out of beef?
>
> The cow is one of the 7 mothers of human kind. Humans grow up on cow's
> milk, therefore she is considered a sacred mother.

Goat's milk is better for humans.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:27:24 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 13, 7:31�pm, Jahnu wrote:

>> Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
>> door, nothing human about it.
>
>Who planted it?

Who made the seed for you to plant?

-- but, but it was just some chemicals that miraculously amalgamated
into a banana seed, you know, by the law of necessity - it's all
scientific. They taught me that in the Mickey Mouse school, I went to.
And I also saw it on TV. It must be true...

hahaha :)... and you wonder why God Himself calls atheists less
intelligent and foolish.

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:33:04 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Goat's milk is better for humans.

Says who?

Ayurveda, the oldest, most advanced and thorough science of health
known to human kind, pronounces cows' milk as the most miraculous
food-stuff for humans.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:29:08 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Nov 12, 11:20 pm, Jahnu wrote:

>> Humans have improved nothing made by nature. They have only managed to
>> make it worse.
>
>Been in a supermarket lately? Every bit of produce is
>a human-bred hybrid.

As i said,humans have only managed to make worse, what nature already
provides. Just look at the declaration sticker of any food product and
note the long list of harmful chemicals and substances (like ie.
gelatine) added by the producers. If you consider that an improvement,
then what more can I say? Good luck with your health...

Krishhna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 13, 11:36 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:27:24 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 13, 7:31 pm, Jahnu  wrote:
> >> Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
> >> door, nothing human about it.
>
> >Who planted it?
>
> Who made the seed for you to plant?

Bananas are grown from clones (slips), not seeds.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 13, 11:41 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:33:04 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Goat's milk is better for humans.
>
> Says who?

Anyone who's allergic to cow's milk.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 13, 11:48 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:29:08 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 12, 11:20 pm, Jahnu wrote:
> >> Humans have improved nothing made by nature. They have only managed to
> >> make it worse.
>
> >Been in a supermarket lately?  Every bit of produce is
> >a human-bred hybrid.
>
> As i said,humans have only managed to make worse, what nature already
> provides. Just look at the declaration sticker of any food product and
> note the long list of harmful chemicals and substances (like ie.
> gelatine) added by the producers. If you consider that an improvement,
> then what more can I say? Good luck with your health...

Including organic produce? Even the organic strawberries
are manmade hybrids.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:46:37 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>Bananas are grown from clones (slips), not seeds.

Whatever. That's not the point...

The sage, Sri Shukadeva Gosvami says:

My dear King, your question is glorious because it is very beneficial
to all kinds of people. The answer to this question is the prime
subject matter for hearing, and it is approved by all
transcendentalists. (SB. 2.1.1)

Those persons who are materially engrossed, being blind to the
knowledge of ultimate truth, have many subject matters for hearing in
human society, O Emperor. (SB. 2.1.2)

The lifetime of such an envious householder is passed at night either
in sleeping or in sex indulgence, and in the daytime either in making
money or maintaining family members. (SB. 2.1.3)

Persons devoid of knowledge of the self do not inquire into the
problems of life, being too attached to the fallible soldiers like the
body, children and wife. Although sufficiently experienced, they still
do not see their inevitable destruction. (SB. 2.1.4)

O descendant of King Bharata, one who desires to be free from all
miseries must hear about, glorify and also remember the Personality of
Godhead, who is the Supersoul, the controller and the savior from all
miseries.
(SB 2.1.5)

The highest perfection of human life, achieved either by complete
knowledge of matter and spirit, by practice of mystic powers, or by
perfect discharge of occupational duty, is to remember the Personality
of Godhead at the end of life. (SB. 2.1.6)

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:48:22 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Including organic produce? Even the organic strawberries
>are manmade hybrids.

The point is that man has not made anything made by nature better,
only worse. Only an envious, ignorant scumbag would not give credit to
the magnificent, super-intelligence that has created such a wonderful,
superlative spectacle as is nature.

Krishna says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

The original disease of the living entities inhabiting the material
world lies in their urge to enjoy the body and mind. From a spiritual
point of view it is considered a disease because in its healthy
condition the soul is meant to be enjoyed by Lord Krishna. The soul is
an eternal part of the Totality of all things - Krishna. When the soul
functions in harmony with the Whole it is complete. It is when the
soul does not take part in the Whole, when it acts with itself as
center, that discord arises. It is much like a symphony orchestra -
when all the instruments are in tune and play in harmony with each
other, the sound produced is pleasing to the ear, but as soon as one
instrument deviates from the tune, everything is spoiled.

In describing how we as individuals are meant to serve Krishna, Srila
Prabhupada often used the analogy of a hand being part of the body,
and is meant to serve it in that capacity. If the hand somehow becomes
lame or crippled it disturbs the whole body. The soul's original
position is to be enjoyed by Krishna, but in its diseased condition it
desires to enjoy separately from Krishna. This is like a hand that
desires to enjoy separately from the body. If the hand one day decides
it has had enough of always serving the body by putting food in the
stomach, and instead decides to chew the food itself or throw it on
the ground, the end result is that it will wither and die.

The medicine to cure this disease is bhakti yoga, or devotional
service. Through bhakti the soul can regain its lost original position
as being enjoyed by Krishna. The paradox of devotional service lies in
that we wish to enjoy. In fact, this desire is so strong that it
becomes the driving factor for all our activities. But if we really
want to enjoy we first have to give up the desire for selfish
enjoyment and surrender to Krishna's enjoyment. Therein lies the
paradox. To become truly happy we have to give up the desire to become
happy by material methods. In being enjoyed by Krishna we will
experience a higher satisfaction than that which we can experience by
satisfying the body's senses. Thus, the real thing -- spiritual
satisfaction -- comes from satisfying Krishna.

Spiritual enjoyment means being enjoyed by Krishna and material
enjoyment means trying to enjoy through the senses. Thus material
enjoyment is dependent on externl circumstance -- bodily and mental --
and will cease when disease, old age, or death appear. On the other
hand, spiritual enjoyment is totally independent from such external,
bodily circumstances.

The only condition, the only price we have to pay, is to surrender to
Krishna's service. Service to Krishna can be rendered completely
independent of external circumstances like wealth, education, social
position, bodily beauty, fame etc.

Material enjoyment is indirect because it is experienced through the
senses. Such enjoyment has a beginning and an end and consequently
will always end in misery, because the soul requires eternal
satisfaction. This demand for unending enjoyment can only be fulfilled
by serving Krishna and surrendering to His enjoyment. Only in this way
can the soul experience direct pleasure. Anyone can have access to
such direct, spiritual satisfaction simply by uttering Krishna's name.
It is a very simple process especially designed for this disturbed age
of a Kali. Simply chant Hare Krishna Hare Krisha Krishna Krishna Hare
Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare and be happy.
Satisfaction is guaranteed.

[WangoTango]

In article <lfp5a8h0psl2gpt37...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:44:44 -0500, WangoTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Really? Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?
>
> Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
> door, nothing human about it.

And *THAT* one statement is all anyone needs to know.
There were *NOTHING* but starch bananas, until they were bred that way,
by man.
If nature was so good at this, why do we need to bend and break it to
get what we need? Shouldn't the food just "be there" for the taking?
No, naturally not, we have to wrestle it from nature. It rarely gives
it up for free.

[WangoTango]

In article <l576a857303skndah...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:57:18 -0600, "Zacharias Mulletstein" blithered:
>
> >There's nothing human about a cow either. They're some of the dumbest
> >animals on the planet. And they have no souls. If God hadn't intended for
> >us to eat them, why did He make them out of beef?
>
> The cow is one of the 7 mothers of human kind. Humans grow up on cow's
> milk, therefore she is considered a sacred mother.

Wow, I grew up on HUMAN milk. Cow's milk is a TOTALLY unacceptable
replacement. That may explain a lot. I might drink some cow's milk as
an adult, but it is a totally voluntary thing, and I wouldn't die
without it. Why do you want to enslave a poor cow into a teat of burden
for humanity?

>
> If God didn't intend you to eat your wife and kids why did He make
> them out of meat, Dumbo?

I don't know, I was nibbling on my wife just last night.

[WangoTango]

In article <9kp5a8pvn0c54npsu...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:43:44 -0500, WangoTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >LOL, I don't buy into your mumbo jumbo buddy.
>
> Nobody, not even your mother, gives a shit what you buy into.

Yep, you know know so much about me.

>
> >People are living the longest and healthiest in history.
>
> hahaha :) ...are you serious? People have never been more sick,
> unhealthy and despressed than at present. The sales of
> anti-depressants have shot through the roof in later years. They build
> more more hospitals and the queues outside them are getting longer and
> longer.

Maybe in the shit holes where they buy into your your delusion.

>
> >100 years ago you couldn't talk to a family that didn't know or have
> >someone that died of a communicable disease. Now, you would be hard
> >pressed to find that in any industrialized nation. Have we made
> >mistakes? Sure, but we learn from our mistakes, and religion and
> >mysticism are, by definition, static and unchanging. Well, that's not
> >entirely true, they have had to give some sway where science kicks their
> >ignorance flat on its' face and they have no choice but be dragged along
> >for the ride.
>
> Good little clone faithfully repeating the dogma of the day...

Denial of reality is nothing to be proud of. I can see and measure the
very things I spoke of.

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:33:38 -0500, WankerTango blithered:

>And *THAT* one statement is all anyone needs to know.
>There were *NOTHING* but starch bananas, until they were bred that way,
>by man.

hahaha :)... listen to this clown.

--but, but. but before man made bananas, they were only starch.

And you wonder why atheists per definition are considered less
intelligent.

>If nature was so good at this, why do we need to bend and break it to
>get what we need? Shouldn't the food just "be there" for the taking?
>No, naturally not, we have to wrestle it from nature. It rarely gives
>it up for free.

That's because there is nothing nature hates more than atheists.

It's a clear, observable fact, that as the population becomes more and
more irreligious and atheistic, the more crime, murder, rape, drugs,
alcohol, insanity etc. increase in such a society.

Krishna says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:37:38 -0500, WankerTango wrote:

>Yep, you know know so much about me.

I know one very important thing about you - you'll soon die.

Even if you live to be a hundred, those 100 years are just a
nano-second in the real scheme of things.

The thing is, you are like a fly sitting on the wall. And what you are
saying is about as meaningful as it's buzz. A fly sits on the wall for
a couple of seconds, then it flies away and lands another place. In a
cosmic scale that's your life. Lets say you live for a hundred years.

For someone living for, say, one billion years - in his lifetime you
would die and get born again a million times. Imagine how
insignificant you would be to such a being. Something like how you
regard a fly on the wall.

There are beings in this universe - demigods - who would perceive an
earthling the same way you look upon a fly on the wall. And then,
that's in a cosmic scale, but in eternal time, the unfathomable
lifespans of demigods are but fleeting micro-seconds.
Do you get it now, how much you are dedicated to illusion?

You are completely convinced that you are Wanker, and that this
existence in the Wanker body is the all in all. But it's just one of a
billion lives you have had. That's how insignificant you are. That's
how illusory your identity as Wanker is. But you think, it is very,
very important what you think and how you feel in this present body.
To you it is the all in all - to an enlightened person it's just a
fleeting moment in his real, eternal existence.

Krishna says:

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (Bg. 2.12)

[WangoTango]

In article <hih8a813eahjjtbuh...@4ax.com>,
Jahn...@gamail.com says...

>
> >And *THAT* one statement is all anyone needs to know.
> >There were *NOTHING* but starch bananas, until they were bred that way,
> >by man.
>
> hahaha :)... listen to this clown.
>
> --but, but. but before man made bananas, they were only starch.

Your inability to comprehend what was stated isn't *MY* problem.

While science is making greater and greater additions to our ability to
understand, modify, and control EVERYTHING around us, you wallow in
ancient delusions.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 14, 3:53 am, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:46:37 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Bananas are grown from clones (slips), not seeds.
>
> Whatever. That's not the point...

Then why did you ask?

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 14, 4:06 am, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:48:22 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Including organic produce?  Even the organic strawberries
> >are manmade hybrids.
>
> The point is that man has not made anything made by nature better,
> only worse.

Obviously you've never enjoyed a ripe June-bearing
strawberry, straight from the garden. Except for
Alpine varieties, they're all manmade hybrids,
almost all originating from the Beltsville, MD
Agricultural Research Station.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 14, 1:33 pm, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> In article <lfp5a8h0psl2gpt37sh48pim02g9dqh...@4ax.com>,
> Jahnud...@gamail.com says...

>
>
>
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:44:44 -0500, WangoTango
> > <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > >Really?  Ever eaten a nice, sweet, banana?
>
> > Sure have. In fact, I have a banana-palm growing right outside my
> > door, nothing human about it.
>
> And *THAT* one statement is all anyone needs to know.
> There were *NOTHING* but starch bananas, until they were bred that way,
> by man.

They're also seedless, which makes them entirely
dependent on humans for propagation.

> If nature was so good at this, why do we need to bend and break it to
> get what we need?  Shouldn't the food just "be there" for the taking?
> No, naturally not, we have to wrestle it from nature.  It rarely gives
> it up for free.

Further, we have to IMPROVE on what nature gave
us, or starve.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:02:20 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Obviously you've never enjoyed a ripe June-bearing
>strawberry, straight from the garden. Except for
>Alpine varieties, they're all manmade hybrids,
>almost all originating from the Beltsville, MD
>Agricultural Research Station.

You have obviously never tasted a real strawberry as they were made by
God. As I said, man has never managed to improve anything made by
nature. Look at the present Coca-cola culture, ie. that you are the
mindless product of - the planet has never seen a more harmful,
destructive civilization. Still kids learn in schools that it s the
culmination of all human knowledge and progress.

For the first time in history the broad, mindless masses have been
given a voice in the public... via internet.

The broad masses don't understand how they are being manipulater and
controlled by the ruling powers. Either privately or publically they
simply express the dominating dogma of the day.

It has never before happened that illusion, ignorance and sin was
spread far and wide to the public. Ones sinful activities and
ignorance was kept to oneself. They weren't used to create public
opinion. In earlier times, when people were more enlightened, the
rallying around glorifying illusory, animalistic principles did not
exist.

Since the society was ruled by godly powers, the public was being
educated in spiritual pinciples. The population was not being told
that there is no meaning to life - it's just about getting ahead and
get the best out of it, the short time there is to one's dsiposal.

It's quite obvious that if the majority of people believe that this is
the only life they have and will ever get, then it becomes a race to
succeed. You think this is the only chance you'll ever get to enjoy
your material body.

But ths whole set up is to make people into good consumers. If you
tell people that the highest goal of life is to ean money and spend
it, you create good consumers. People who are educated in the real
meaning of life, does not make for good consumers, and that is not
wanted in a consumer society.

Imagine what a culture it would make, if the majority of people were
convinced of the fact that this present live is just one out of
billion of lives we have been through in the 8.400.000 species of
life. Vi have tried repeatedly to become satisfied by fulfilling basic
bodily and mental needs.

The needs of the body is to eat, sleep, mate, and defend. And the
needs of the mind is the longing for name, fame, and position in
society. You want to be somebody.

Those desires are inherent in all humans. It's not something we can
escape. That type of desires are called material desires. It is bodily
lust. The body is material, the mind is material, so therefore the
desires and lust to fulfill their desires are considered material.

Material desires are selfish. Oneself is the center for one's needs.
The selfishness can be either contracted to oneself, or it can be
extended to one's family, friends, and society, but one's own body is
always the center of one's activities.

Material desires are nothing but distortions of the self's real
desires to serve Krishna. One can eat for Krishna, sleep for Krishna,
mate for Krishna, and defend for Krishna. That's what a proper human
culture should educate its population in. When the majority of people
agree to serve the same whole, Krishna, then it creates greater unity
and feeling of belonging in the people.

In stead of seeing everyone else as a body different from yourself,
you see them as a soul, the same as you. In this way all feelings of
racism, social differences, and national pride are eradicated, because
all souls are equal, parts and parcels of the same whole.

But now a days people are educated to just get ahead as best they can,
because there is nothing else, and there never will be anything else -
this life is your only chance to get your desires fulfilled.

Instead of centering people around God, people are centered around
what? a flag, a piece of cloth. Does it get more meaningless and
illusory than that? There are actually people who are willing to die
for their nation, but this nation is nothing but a temporary bodily
identity. In the eternal existence of the soul it lasts a few seconds.
Thus, everything that enforces our bodily identity are established by
ungodly powers.

A society in which the majority of people think they are their bodies,
is a sick society. Spiritually sick. We know everything materially but
spiritually we are in the dark. We have forgotten how blissful it is
to serve Krishha. That's our disease - to be absorbed in
sensegratification.

And the only cure for this disease is the name of Krishna. It doesn't
matter whether one is a Christian, Hindu, Mohammedan or a Buddhist,
the proces is the same - to sing, recite or meditate on Krishna's
name. If one has some sectarian prejudice against the original name of
God, Krishna, one can chant Jehova, Jahve, Allah, Jesus, Manito,
Buddha, Om, or Ram, doesn't matter, the point is to chant God's name.
If the population does that, the world will undoubtedly become a
better place to be.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.. (Bg. 9.2)

[Alex W.]

Nor has he ever eaten an apple.
The original wild apple is pretty much inedible.

Ditto wheat: the original wheat still grows wild in the Middle
East, known by the German "Einkorn" -- literally "one corn". One
grain per ear, no more. If we still had to live off that, we'd
have starved a long time ago....

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 15, 7:55 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:02:20 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Obviously you've never enjoyed a ripe June-bearing
> >strawberry, straight from the garden.  Except for
> >Alpine varieties, they're all manmade hybrids,
> >almost all originating from the Beltsville, MD
> >Agricultural Research Station.
>
> You have obviously never tasted a real strawberry as they were made by
> God.

Neither has anyone else.

BTW, as of tomorrow, no more Hostess Twinkies to
be made. Shouldn't you be stripping off your clothes
and dancing in the streets in sheer, unbridled vegan
ecstacy?

[Father Haskell]

If that was your only food, you'd suffer from niacin
deficiency long before that.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:33:42 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Neither has anyone else.

Krishna says:
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything
emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. (Bg 10.8)

>BTW, as of tomorrow, no more Hostess Twinkies to
>be made. Shouldn't you be stripping off your clothes
>and dancing in the streets in sheer, unbridled vegan
>ecstacy?

You need to learn the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 16, 8:03 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:33:42 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Neither has anyone else.
>

> Some old book says:

That's better.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 16, 8:03 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:33:42 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Neither has anyone else.
>
> Krishna says:
> I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything
> emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
> devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. (Bg 10.8)
>
> >BTW, as of tomorrow, no more Hostess Twinkies to
> >be made.  Shouldn't you be stripping off your clothes
> >and dancing in the streets in sheer, unbridled vegan
> >ecstacy?
>
> You need to learn the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

I guess you'll be out making a disturbing public spectacle
of yourself tomorrow, then. You didn't say you weren't.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:27:44 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I guess you'll be out making a disturbing public spectacle
>of yourself tomorrow, then. You didn't say you weren't.

Krishna is the supreme witness sitting within your heart. He notes
down what you are thinking and what you are doing. He also gives
facility. If you want to do something to satisfy your senses, Krishna
gives the facility for that action... In this way Krishna gives us a
chance. If you want Krishna, then He will give you a chance to have
Him. If you want to enjoy life, forgetting Krishna, forgetting God,
then Krishna will give you all facility so that you can forget. And if
you want to enjoy life with Krishna consciousness, then Krishna will
give you the chance to make progress in Krishna consciousness. That is
up to you.

- Srila Prabhupada, Science of Self Realization, p. 249

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 16, 8:33 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:27:44 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I guess you'll be out making a disturbing public spectacle
> >of yourself tomorrow, then.  You didn't say you weren't.
>
> Krishna is the supreme witness sitting within your heart. He notes
> down what you are thinking and what you are doing.

Second denial noted.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:12:48 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Second denial noted.

Whom of us is living in denial will be made painfully clear to you in
due course. When that time comes, see if you can remember Krishna's
name, that will be your only chance,


"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract
the reactions to more sins than he is able to commit."

--Brihad-visnu Purana

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 16, 9:19 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:12:48 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Second denial noted.
>
> Whom of us is living in denial will be made painfully clear to you in
> due course. When that time comes, see if you can remember Krishna's
> name, that will be your only chance,

What time does your "performance" start? Advance warning
would be appreciated so that children and those with
sensitive stomachs can be removed to a safe distance.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:21:10 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>What time does your "performance" start? Advance warning
>would be appreciated so that children and those with
>sensitive stomachs can be removed to a safe distance.

If not sooner, that performance, as you call it, will start at the
point of death. Death will be a rude awakening for all atheists.

Krishna says:

Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, O son of
Kunti, that state he will attain without fail. (Bg 8.6)

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 16, 9:28 pm, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:21:10 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >What time does your "performance" start?  Advance warning
> >would be appreciated so that children and those with
> >sensitive stomachs can be removed to a safe distance.
>
> If not sooner, that performance, as you call it, will start at the
> point of death. Death will be a rude awakening for all atheists.

Death will be like going to sleep. Forever.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:25:41 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> If not sooner, that performance, as you call it, will start at the
>> point of death. Death will be a rude awakening for all atheists.
>
>Death will be like going to sleep. Forever.

As I said, you are in for a rude awakening.

Krishna says:

Material nature consists of three modes�goodness, passion and
ignorance. When the eternal living entity comes in contact with
nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, he becomes conditioned by these modes.
(Bg. 14.5)

O sinless one, the mode of goodness, being purer than the others, is
illuminating, and it frees one from all sinful reactions. Those
situated in that mode become conditioned by a sense of happiness and
knowledge. (Bg. 14.6)

The mode of passion is born of unlimited desires and longings, O son
of Kunt�, and because of this the embodied living entity is bound to
material fruitive actions. (Bg. 14.7)

O son of Bharata, know that the mode of darkness, born of ignorance,
is the delusion of all embodied living entities. The results of this
mode are madness, indolence and sleep, which bind the conditioned
soul. (Bg. 14.8)

O son of Bharata, the mode of goodness conditions one to happiness;
passion conditions one to fruitive action; and ignorance, covering
one's knowledge, binds one to madness. (Bg. 14.9)

Sometimes the mode of goodness becomes prominent, defeating the modes
of passion and ignorance, O son of Bharata. Sometimes the mode of
passion defeats goodness and ignorance, and at other times ignorance
defeats goodness and passion. In this way there is always competition
for supremacy. (Bg. 14.10)

The manifestation of the mode of goodness can be experienced when all
the gates of the body are illuminated by knowledge. (Bg. 14.11)

O chief of the Bharatas, when there is an increase in the mode of
passion the symptoms of great attachment, fruitive activity, intense
endeavor, and uncontrollable desire and hankering develop. (Bg.
14.12)

When there is an increase in the mode of ignorance, O son of Kuru,
darkness, inertia, madness and illusion are manifested. (Bg. 14.13)

When one dies in the mode of goodness, he attains to the pure higher
planets of the great sages. (Bg. 14.14)

When one dies in the mode of passion, he takes birth among those
engaged in fruitive activities; and when one dies in the mode of
ignorance, he takes birth in the animal kingdom. (Bg. 14.15)

The result of pious action is pure and is said to be in the mode of
goodness. But action done in the mode of passion results in misery,
and action performed in the mode of ignorance results in foolishness.
(Bg. 14.16)

From the mode of goodness, real knowledge develops; from the mode of
passion, greed develops; and from the mode of ignorance develop
foolishness, madness and illusion. (Bg. 14.17)

Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the
higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly
planets; and those in the abominable mode of ignorance go down to the
hellish worlds. (Bg. 14.18)

When one properly sees that in all activities no other performer is at
work than these modes of nature and he knows the Supreme Lord, who is
transcendental to all these modes, he attains My spiritual nature.
(Bg. 14.19)

When the embodied being is able to transcend these three modes
associated with the material body, he can become free from birth,
death, old age and their distresses and can enjoy nectar even in this
life. (Bg. 14.20)

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 17, 12:37 am, Jahnu <Jahnud...@gamail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:25:41 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
>

> <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> If not sooner, that performance, as you call it, will start at the
> >> point of death. Death will be a rude awakening for all atheists.
>
> >Death will be like going to sleep.  Forever.
>
> As I said, you are in for a rude awakening.

Cremation, actually.

[Jahnu]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:40:17 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Cremation, actually.

Krishna says:

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood
to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at
death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bg 2.13)