> , Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>> "linuxgal" <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d4ydnc0JSKgX6-rNnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> > MarkA wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:46:48 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> >>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that >>> >>> no
>>> >>> man
>>> >>> can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>> >> Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say what
>>> >> happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who came up >>> >> with
>>> >> the idea in the first place.
>>> > And also because there are no angels and animals don't talk.
>>> Prove it.
>>Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>limited vocabularies.
> Did a prairie dog tell you that?
I used to whistle on the prairie and wait until one of them gophers
would stick his head up. Then, I'd shoot his brains out.
> For a while, the RCC solved the problem by postulating the existence of
> "Limbo", where everyone goes if they don't qualify for either Heaven or
> Hell. Recently, the Pope decided that Limbo wasn't such a good idea after
> all, so they stopped promoting it.
> So, now, if you ask a "good Catholic" what happens to the soul of an
> unbaptized baby that dies, they say, "Idunno", and leave it at that.
> I'm waiting for the Pope to realize that, since the Bible doesn't say
> anything against abortion or birth control, either, he should maybe apply
> the same "Idunno" standard there, too?
> I'm not holding my breath.
Good plan. Abortion is the deliberate taking of a life.
That will never be accepted as logical or moral behavior.
Birth control is another story.
> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2:44 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>> In article <60sm71.33i.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Liar.com > >> >> >>> says...
> >> >> >>> > What a fantastic idea!
> >> >> >>> Usual lying bull shit, why repost?
> >> >> >> Yeah, why did you repost your usual lying bullshit?
> >> >> >>> Summary: No child is ever involved in any abortion. End of story.
> >> >> >>> So, what else is new?
> >> >> >> The fact that your summary is a lie is not new. See the following, > >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> a non-biased website:
> >> >> >> http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/child-term.html > >> >> >> Here is the relevant excerpt:
> >> >> >> Child
> >> >> >> 1) A person's offspring of any age, which can include biological
> >> >> >> offspring, unborn children, adopted children, stepchildren, foster
> >> >> >> children, and children born outside of marriage.
> >> >> >Anybody who considers a fertilized oocyte to be an "unborn child" is > >> >> >just
> >> >> >plain crazy.
> >> >> At the moment of conception, God infuses a soul into the body.
> >> >You have yet to provide any evidence that any such thing as a "soul" > >> >even exists. Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
> >> God said it does. Until you can prove God wrong, your argument is of a > >> stupid
> >> immature woman trying to make an invalid point.
> >You have yet to provide any evidence that this god of yours exists. > >Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
> And you will burn in hell until hell is null and void.
Not according to your bible which states that only believers have eternal life.
-- JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
> >> > Just so nobody forgets, Patrick here represents the Roman Catholic
> >> > community.
> >> All men have one.
> >> You are not a man.
> >> You don't have one.
> >> Simple.
> > Having a dick does not confer wisdom.
> > Too many, like "Patrick", seem to think it can replace their brain!
> Not my claim, honey.
It it whether it is your practice to think with it that is in question.
-- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong.
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:45:20 -0400, "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote:
>"duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote ...
>> , Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>> "linuxgal" <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:d4ydnc0JSKgX6-rNnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> > MarkA wrote:
>>>> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:46:48 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> >>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that >>>> >>> no
>>>> >>> man
>>>> >>> can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>>> >> Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say what
>>>> >> happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who came up >>>> >> with
>>>> >> the idea in the first place.
>>>> > And also because there are no angels and animals don't talk.
>>>> Prove it.
>>>Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>>calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>>limited vocabularies.
>> Did a prairie dog tell you that?
>I used to whistle on the prairie and wait until one of them gophers
>would stick his head up. Then, I'd shoot his brains out.
U-boy talks to them instead.
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>>>> >> >> On Oct 9, 2:44 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> In article <60sm71.33i.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Liar.com
>>>> >> >>> says...
>>>> >> >>> > What a fantastic idea!
>>>> >> >>> Usual lying bull shit, why repost?
>>>> >> >> Yeah, why did you repost your usual lying bullshit?
>>>> >> >>> Summary: No child is ever involved in any abortion. End of
>>>> >> >>> story. So, what else is new?
>>>> >> >> The fact that your summary is a lie is not new. See the
>>>> >> >> following, from
>>>> >> >> a non-biased website:
>>>> >> >> http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/child-term.html >>>> >> >> Here is the relevant excerpt:
>>>> >> >> Child
>>>> >> >> 1) A person's offspring of any age, which can include biological
>>>> >> >> offspring, unborn children, adopted children, stepchildren,
>>>> >> >> foster children, and children born outside of marriage.
>>>> >> >Anybody who considers a fertilized oocyte to be an "unborn child"
>>>> >> >is just plain crazy.
>>>> >> At the moment of conception, God infuses a soul into the body.
>>>> >You have yet to provide any evidence that any such thing as a "soul"
>>>> >even exists. Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
>>>> God said it does. Until you can prove God wrong, your argument is of a
>>>> stupid
>>>> immature woman trying to make an invalid point.
>>>You have yet to provide any evidence that this god of yours exists. Until
>>>you do that, your argument is null and void.
>> And you will burn in hell until hell is null and void.
>It's a fair cop!
That too.
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>> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2:44 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> In article <60sm71.33i.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Liar.com >> >> >> >>> says...
>> >> >> >>> > What a fantastic idea!
>> >> >> >>> Usual lying bull shit, why repost?
>> >> >> >> Yeah, why did you repost your usual lying bullshit?
>> >> >> >>> Summary: No child is ever involved in any abortion. End of story.
>> >> >> >>> So, what else is new?
>> >> >> >> The fact that your summary is a lie is not new. See the following, >> >> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> a non-biased website:
>> >> >> >> http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/child-term.html >> >> >> >> Here is the relevant excerpt:
>> >> >> >> Child
>> >> >> >> 1) A person's offspring of any age, which can include biological
>> >> >> >> offspring, unborn children, adopted children, stepchildren, foster
>> >> >> >> children, and children born outside of marriage.
>> >> >> >Anybody who considers a fertilized oocyte to be an "unborn child" is >> >> >> >just
>> >> >> >plain crazy.
>> >> >> At the moment of conception, God infuses a soul into the body.
>> >> >You have yet to provide any evidence that any such thing as a "soul" >> >> >even exists. Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
>> >> God said it does. Until you can prove God wrong, your argument is of a >> >> stupid
>> >> immature woman trying to make an invalid point.
>> >You have yet to provide any evidence that this god of yours exists. >> >Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
>> And you will burn in hell until hell is null and void.
>Not according to your bible which states that only believers have >eternal life.
Now you're starting to get it. It's God's decision.
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:05:42 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:50:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:13:51 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:46:48 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:23:49 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> At the moment of conception, God infuses a soul into the body. From
>>>>>>> that moment on, a human being is starting a journey to God's arms.
>>>>>> If that's the case, why is it that the majority of fertilized oocytes
>>>>>> will fail to implant, and those souls will be right back in God's
>>>>>> arms within a few days? Seems like a pretty pointless endeavor to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>Not unless they've been baptized. If they haven't they end up in Limbo.
>>>>>Oh. Wait. That was the way I was taught in Catholic school decades ago.
>>>>>Some later Pope decided that was nonsense. Now they go directly to
>>>>>hell.
>>>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that no
>>>> man can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>>Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say what
>>>happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who came up with
>>>the idea in the first place.
>> Exactly, numbnuts. Scripture states that only the baptized can see the
>> kingdom of God. It is man specifically that expressed the idea that,
>> shirley, our loving God would not relegate the unbaptized dead infant to
>> hell forever as it is no fault of his own. In recent times, numbuts, we
>> came to accept that God never said one way or the otter for sure, so we no
>> longer push this idea over that idea.
>> Do you understand that now, numbnuts?
>It's perfectly clear to me. In the Bible, Jesus says that "None come to
>the Father except through me."
Exactly.
> Christians have widely interpreted that to
>mean that only by accepting Jesus as your Saviour can you get into Heaven.
No, that's your interpretation regardless of what others think. You see, to me
belief mandates following, but following does not mandate belief. God called us
to follow, not to "believe". Many people in the world live a life equal to
following Jesus, even though they realize it not.
>Many Christians, Catholics in particular, also believe that the soul
>enters the body at the moment of conception (which is not actually a
>moment, BTW, but that's a discussion for another day).
You can't split hairs. God knows when it happens.
>This creates a conflict, when you consider that for every person alive
>today, there are at least 3 or 4 who died within a few days of conception,
>because their blastocyst did not implant in the wall of their mother's
>uterus. Clearly, they can't go to Heaven. Equally clearly, they don't
>deserve to go to Hell, either. And, there's a LOT of them.
Agreed, and now you know where the concept of limbo comes from. It is a BELIEF,
not a fact, that our loving God does not eternally punish the unbaptized infant
for no fault of his own. But no man can state one way or the other.
>For a while, the RCC solved the problem by postulating the existence of
>"Limbo", where everyone goes if they don't qualify for either Heaven or
>Hell. Recently, the Pope decided that Limbo wasn't such a good idea after
>all, so they stopped promoting it.
>So, now, if you ask a "good Catholic" what happens to the soul of an
>unbaptized baby that dies, they say, "Idunno", and leave it at that.
We never did, we don't now, we never will. God alone calls the shots.
>I'm waiting for the Pope to realize that, since the Bible doesn't say
>anything against abortion or birth control, either, he should maybe apply
>the same "Idunno" standard there, too?
>I'm not holding my breath.
Then breathe. The Pope long ago advised that we don't know one way or the
other, but we can only hope that our loving God has plans for those infants that
died unbaptized to eventually be raised to the heavenly kingdom.
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>>>>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that no
>>>>> man
>>>>> can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>>> Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say what
>>>> happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who came up with
>>>> the idea in the first place.
>>> And also because there are no angels and animals don't talk.
>> Prove it.
>Okay, except for parrots, but they just copy the sounds they hear. Sort >of like believers in talking snakes.
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence? BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
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>>>>>> I know I've explained this to you before, Patrick: pregnancy carries >>>>>> the
>>>>>> risk of sudden death from pulmonary embolism, or the development of
>>>>>> chronic disease, such as diabetes. That simple fact alone is
>>>>>> justification for terminating any pregnancy you don't absolutely want.
>>>>> Well, remember, in Catholic theology, this life doesn't count, it's the
>>>>> next life that's important, so it is absolutely imperative that a woman
>>>>> carries her baby full term and gets it baptized. After that, one or >>>>> both
>>>>> can die, no skin off the Pope's dick.
>>>> Hmmmm - you really are excited about dicks, aren't you?
>>> You must be disappointed.
>>I've got one, honey.
>When Patrick tried Viagra he grew six inches taller.
When Ratprick tried on a condom, he suffocated.
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>> > Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>> > calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>> > limited vocabularies.
>> They sure as shit don't cover the sacraments.
>That's a point in their favor.
Satan likes that one.
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:07:49 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:23:37 -0400, Brian E. Clark wrote:
>> In article <gsWdnT9viPAg5uXNnZ2dnUVZ_qSdn...@giganews.com>,
>> linux...@cleanposts.com says...
>>> > Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite
>>> > different calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they
>>> > do have quite limited vocabularies.
>>> They sure as shit don't cover the sacraments.
>> That's a point in their favor.
>They may not have sacraments, but they have plenty of excrement, which is
>infinitely more useful.
What do you use it for?
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duke wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:23:37 -0400, Brian E. Clark
> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>> In article <gsWdnT9viPAg5uXNnZ2dnUVZ_qSdn...@giganews.com>,
>> linux...@cleanposts.com says...
>>>> Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>>> calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>>> limited vocabularies.
>>> They sure as shit don't cover the sacraments.
>> That's a point in their favor.
> Satan likes that one.
I suppose you know that from being in his personal entourage.
-- Veteran of the Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force (1990-1951)
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:45:20 -0400, Patrick wrote:
> "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote ...
>> , Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>>>> "linuxgal" <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:d4ydnc0JSKgX6-rNnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> > MarkA wrote:
>>>> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:46:48 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> >>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that
>>>> >>> no
>>>> >>> man
>>>> >>> can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>>> >> Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say
>>>> >> what happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who
>>>> >> came up with
>>>> >> the idea in the first place.
>>>> > And also because there are no angels and animals don't talk.
>>>> Prove it.
>>>Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>>calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>>limited vocabularies.
>> Did a prairie dog tell you that?
> I used to whistle on the prairie and wait until one of them gophers would
> stick his head up. Then, I'd shoot his brains out.
Now this is interesting. The very last post of yours that I read before
this one was the one where you said that "deliberate taking of a life will
never be accepted as logical or moral behavior." Clearly, you didn't mean
just *any* life. You must have meant "human life, under some
circumstances". After all, even in the Bible, God says, "Thou shalt not
kill", and Moses immediately orders the execution of 3,000 people for
worshiping the golden calf made by Aaron. So, even killing humans is OK
under some circumstances.
You and I just have different circumstances that we recognize as
appropriate for killing some humans.
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:45:20 -0400, Patrick wrote:
>>>>> > MarkA wrote:
>>>>> >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:46:48 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>> >>> No, you should has stuck with our original thought. Truth is that
>>>>> >>> no
>>>>> >>> man
>>>>> >>> can state definitively what happens to the unbaptized soul.
>>>>> >> Talk about unintended humor! Men are the ONLY ones who can say
>>>>> >> what happens to the unbaptized soul, since they are the ones who
>>>>> >> came up with
>>>>> >> the idea in the first place.
>>>>> > And also because there are no angels and animals don't talk.
>>>>> Prove it.
>>>>Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>>>calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>>>limited vocabularies.
>>> Did a prairie dog tell you that?
>> I used to whistle on the prairie and wait until one of them gophers would
>> stick his head up. Then, I'd shoot his brains out.
> Now this is interesting. The very last post of yours that I read before
> this one was the one where you said that "deliberate taking of a life will
> never be accepted as logical or moral behavior." Clearly, you didn't mean
> just *any* life. You must have meant "human life, under some
> circumstances".
Exactly.
Human life and animal life are not even close to the same thing.
Have you ever seen a hereford calf step in a gopher hole and break
its leg? It is very sad. The calf's mother will even give up on the
calf and move on. I just happen o value a calf's life above a gopher's life.
And I consider a human life to be infinitely more important than
a calf's life. ANy more questions?
> After all, even in the Bible, God says, "Thou shalt not
> kill", and Moses immediately orders the execution of 3,000 people for
> worshiping the golden calf made by Aaron. So, even killing humans is OK
> under some circumstances.
OK.
I don't hold a lot of reality in some of the OT stories.
> You and I just have different circumstances that we recognize as
> appropriate for killing some humans.
Yes.
I don't think I could kill another human unless it were under
extraordinary circumstances. But, I won't shed any tears if
you go around killing rapists in the streets.
> >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2:44 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> In article <60sm71.33i.1...@news.alt.net>, Jerk-L...@Liar.com > >> >> >> >>> says...
> >> >> >> >>> > What a fantastic idea!
> >> >> >> >>> Usual lying bull shit, why repost?
> >> >> >> >> Yeah, why did you repost your usual lying bullshit?
> >> >> >> >>> Summary: No child is ever involved in any abortion. End of > >> >> >> >>> story.
> >> >> >> >>> So, what else is new?
> >> >> >> >> The fact that your summary is a lie is not new. See the > >> >> >> >> following, > >> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> >> a non-biased website:
> >> >> >> >> http://www.nolo.com/dictionary/child-term.html > >> >> >> >> Here is the relevant excerpt:
> >> >> >> >> Child
> >> >> >> >> 1) A person's offspring of any age, which can include biological
> >> >> >> >> offspring, unborn children, adopted children, stepchildren, > >> >> >> >> foster
> >> >> >> >> children, and children born outside of marriage.
> >> >> >> >Anybody who considers a fertilized oocyte to be an "unborn child" > >> >> >> >is > >> >> >> >just
> >> >> >> >plain crazy.
> >> >> >> At the moment of conception, God infuses a soul into the body.
> >> >> >You have yet to provide any evidence that any such thing as a "soul" > >> >> >even exists. Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
> >> >> God said it does. Until you can prove God wrong, your argument is of a > >> >> stupid
> >> >> immature woman trying to make an invalid point.
> >> >You have yet to provide any evidence that this god of yours exists. > >> >Until you do that, your argument is null and void.
> >> And you will burn in hell until hell is null and void.
> >Not according to your bible which states that only believers have > >eternal life.
> Now you're starting to get it. It's God's decision.
Wow. Talk about twisted logic.
What, exactly, am I starting to get? The fact that you always bring up the empty threat when you're losing an argument?
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In article <50861ee5-7263-45ce-8bb6-1ff85953c...@n2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2:44 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Summary: No child is ever involved in any abortion. End of story. So,
> > what else is new?
> The fact that your summary is a lie is not new.
that allegation from a well known plagiarist like you doesn't carry much weight.
On Oct 13, 3:43 pm, "Patrick" <PBARKER...@r.com> wrote:
> Human life and animal life are not even close to the same thing.
> Have you ever seen a hereford calf step in a gopher hole and break
> its leg? It is very sad. The calf's mother will even give up on the
> calf and move on. I just happen o value a calf's life above a gopher's
> life.
> And I consider a human life to be infinitely more important than
> a calf's life. ANy more questions?
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:39:46 -0700, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:23:37 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>> In article <gsWdnT9viPAg5uXNnZ2dnUVZ_qSdn...@giganews.com>,
>>> linux...@cleanposts.com says...
>>>>> Actually some animals do 'talk', e.g., prairie dogs have quite different
>>>>> calls to warn of hawks versus coyotes and wolves. But they do have quite
>>>>> limited vocabularies.
>>>> They sure as shit don't cover the sacraments.
>>> That's a point in their favor.
>> Satan likes that one.
>I suppose you know that from being in his personal entourage.
When the shoe fits, you don't have to walk with the foot.
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