Where is a boundary between religion and political ideology?
simple_...@yahoo.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion#Fascism):
According to Emilio Gentile, "Fascism was the first and prime instance
of a modern political religion."[3] "This religion sacralized the
state and assigned it the primary educational task of transforming the
mentality, the character, and the customs of Italians. The aim was to
create a 'new man,' a believer in and an observing member of the cult
of Fascism."[1]
"The argument [that fascism was a 'political religion'] tends to
involve three main claims: i) that fascism was characterized by a
religious form, particularly in terms of language and ritual; ii) that
fascism was a sacralized form of totalitarianism, which legitimized
violence in defence of the nation and regeneration of a fascist 'new
man'; and iii) that fascism took on many of the functions of religion
for a broad swathe of society."[4]...
"Among committed [Nazi] believers, a mythic world of eternally strong
heroes, demons, fire and sword - in a word, the fantasy world of the
nursery - displaced reality."[2] Heinrich Himmler was fascinated by
the occult, and sought to turn the SS into the basis of an official
state cult.[3]...
The North Korean government has promulgated Juche as a political
alternative to traditional religion. The doctrine advocates a strong
nationalist propaganda basis and is fundamentally opposed to
Christianity and Buddhism, the two largest religions on the Korean
peninsula. Juche theoreticians have, however, incorporated religious
ideas into the state ideology. According to government figures, Juche
is the largest political religion in North Korea.
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Muslims claim that Islam is a religion, but there is no such thing as
a non-political Islam. If Fascism is a religion, than Fascist
organizations deserve the same privileges that are granted to other
religions.
norbu_...@yahoo.com
<simple_langu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wikipedia lists many examples of political religions (source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion#Fascism):
>
> According to Emilio Gentile, "Fascism was the first and prime instance
> of a modern political religion."[3] "This religion sacralized the
> state and assigned it the primary educational task of transforming the
> mentality, the character, and the customs of Italians. The aim was to
> create a 'new man,' a believer in and an observing member of the cult
> of Fascism."[1]
>
Fascism is defined *in practice* as the repression of opposing ideas.
It might be
a theistic, atheistic, capitalist, communist, or whatever idiology,
but what
defines a fascist state is the use of force to silence dissent and
open
discussion as to the aims and means of governance.
> "The argument [that fascism was a 'political religion'] tends to
> involve three main claims: i) that fascism was characterized by a
> religious form, particularly in terms of language and ritual; ii) that
> fascism was a sacralized form of totalitarianism, which legitimized
> violence in defence of the nation and regeneration of a fascist 'new
> man'; and iii) that fascism took on many of the functions of religion
> for a broad swathe of society."[4]...
Violence in defense of some conceptual "nation" against the citizens
of that supposed nation
and the global community is indeed a hallmark of fascism. China and
the USA have both used
their troops to shoot down students who saw through through their
immoral policies.
"Democracy" or "Communist", both were fascist states when they
employed violence to silence dissent.
> "Among committed [Nazi] believers, a mythic world of eternally strong
> heroes, demons, fire and sword - in a word, the fantasy world of the
> nursery - displaced reality."[2] Heinrich Himmler was fascinated by
> the occult, and sought to turn the SS into the basis of an official
> state cult.[3]...
For what it's worth the Nazis tried to subvert the folk beliefs to
their own ends,
just as the Japanese warlords did, Within their own natural areas the
Asgardian and Shinto beliefs were related to how a people could
interact with the land
and produce a good harvest, ward off attackers, etc. Nothing about
conquest.
> The North Korean government has promulgated Juche as a political
> alternative to traditional religion. The doctrine advocates a strong
> nationalist propaganda basis and is fundamentally opposed to
> Christianity and Buddhism, the two largest religions on the Korean
> peninsula. Juche theoreticians have, however, incorporated religious
> ideas into the state ideology. According to government figures, Juche
> is the largest political religion in North Korea.
What is "Juche" ?
ZerkonX
> Wikipedia lists many examples of political religions
Deal with this first before you judge others
ike milligan
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word coined by the neo-cons when it became obvious that the Bush
Administration was Fascist. To pre-empt the criticism fo Bush and Cheney as
Fascists, they resorted to a well-known political tactic of projection,
accusing others of their own faults. Technically Islamists are not Fascists.
Fascism is a nationalist phenomenon, not a universalist phenomenon. Teh term
ISalamo-fascist is meant to draw a parallel between World War II and the
present so-called War on Terror, a nebulous concept used to justify
unlimited expansion of militarism, and an attempt to revive Colonialism.
Just as the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty, etc. can have no end or
victory, neither can the War on Terror have an Armistice or a surrender of a
nation to end hostilities.
V
<simple_langu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wikipedia lists many examples of political religions (source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_religion#Fascism):
>
> According to Emilio Gentile, "Fascism was the first and prime instance
> of a modern political religion."[3] "This religion sacralized the
>
Boundaries are tough to define. If we examine out own lives we can see
we step outside the boundaries of healthful and peaceful living
ourselves many times. so just as we do, so can others.
When a politician of a certain religion gets voted in, you get 'the
whole package' and the religious morals and values are part of that
package. Generally religion does not become a problem in politics
unless the religion is imposed against the will of people it is being
imposed on.
Other times humanity can be most grateful for having such religious
values being imposed on them.
We can see that come to fruition with the many countries that the US
has been at war with and subsequently lost the war. If we were a
country that did not apply Christian principles to our captors
millions more would have been killed.
Atheist run countries have a policy of extermination and ethnic
cleansing rather than applying charity. Atheist like to claim religion
killed so many people...well without religion in world the killings
would have been much worse.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2