On 4/04/2013 1:12 AM, sbalneav wrote:
> In alt.atheism felix_unger <
m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> On 03-April-2013 3:45 PM, sbalneav wrote:
>>
>>> Name an "atheist state".
>>
>> North Korea
ATHEIST STATES
"North Korea's government exercises virtual total
control over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
- Hertzke, Allen. 2006.
Freeing God's Children. Rowman & Littlefield
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"Although the North Korean constitution states that freedom of religion
is permitted, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea
as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion
of religious freedom"
- Essential Background: Overview of human rights issues in
Human Rights in North Korea
(DPRK: The Democratic People's Republic of Korea)
(Human Rights Watch, 8-7-2004)
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"All publications are subject to supervision and censorship by the state.
There is no freedom of religion.
Independent worship is not allowed"
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/english/docs/2004/07/08/nkorea9040.htm
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"North Korea is officially an atheist state"
- World and Its Peoples: Eastern and Southern Asia
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"Atheism continues to be the official position of the
governments of China, North Korea and Cuba."
- The State of Religion Atlas. Simon & Schuster.
"autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent;
government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of
religious freedom"
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html
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>Juche:
"According to Juche, there is no god"
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http://www.northkoreanchristians.com/juche-idea.html
No difference to atheists everywhere:
According to atheists "There is no God":
http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
LA Atheists "There are no gods"
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
How to be recognised as AN ATHEIST on alt.atheism:
Probably no Gods
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/1/6/1231252848586/Atheist-advertising-campa-001.jpg
Juche was invented by the Nth Korean atheist regime in response
to the justified accusations that the Nth Korean atheist state
SUPPRESSED religion, ..allowing the regime to say, "No, see,
we allow Juche'. pfffft!
Atheism is not just a simple non-belief in something, it is,
as atheists everywhere claim
> It's not just simple non-belief.
We know, we have told you that often and were suprised when
you admitted it and confessed that Lenin was right;
"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."
- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.
http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:fasgnadh
Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAA
So, that's CLEAR and INDISPUTABLE! B^]
The real question about these Atheist states is WHY were they
ALL totalitarian tyrannies and again Snot Balneave, an atheist insider,
spills the beans:
"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
- Scott Balneave, quoted from the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
> This is what I've been saying, over and over.
And there is tons of evidence, so sure MOST atheist groups are as you
say, but still no proof that EVERY last one is! 8^o
Can't you find even one that is the exception to your rule.
Once again, atheists tell us their BELIEFS, share their IDEOLOGY
(unproven ideas) BUT HAVE NO PROOF!
No wonder the gutless propaganda tools keep running from the debate! B^]
> "atheist state" makes no sense since
YOu only have to look at one, such as the INSANE North Korean atheist
state, the last INSANE one left after all the others FAILED
CATASTROPHICALLY, to agree with Snot.
Compare it to the free, open, progressive secular democracies, and the
great and enduring CIVILISATIONS, inspired by majority RELIGIOUS
societies to see that religion is generally a positive force,
> atheism *isn't*
It's a mere tool of anti theist hatred and what Snot describes as
an 'evil abomination' ans as the infamous atheist dictator Lenin said
'Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.'
> a political philosophy.
athat adopted atheist anti-theism
If you look at contemporary atheism you find that even when
Communist countries keep their POLITICAL system, abandon atheist
extremism, allow 300,000,000 new Chinese BELIEVERS and prosper and
develop.. the hate-filled violent atheist "killing and opressing" still
goes on, without communism to BLAME for their OWN
'evil abomination' as Snot Balneave calls atheism;
Brutal Atheist Animals Without Agape
And WITHOUT an excuse, Steve isn't a communist, just an atheist,
the source of all that hate-filled anti-theist ideology that
he espouses and all of BAAWA and every atheist in USENET who
SUPPRTS IT! 8^o
> There are LOTS of secular states out there:
All built by majority religous societies, NOT ONE EVER
ACHIEVED by an atheist state, they were ALL, 100%, totalitarian shitholes!
And when you look at the misery, degradation, torture, terror, despair
and death in EVERY atheist state you know WHY they kept their
populations CAPTIVE, because everyone, even ATHEIST HYPOCRITES, prefers
to live in the secular democracies which MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies,
NOT the 'evil abominations Snot Balneave says 'every atheist society' is.
> That's what the vast majority of atheists want: secular states,
See, Snot is now admitting what I have been telling atheists for YEARS,
we all KNEW they were rank hypocrites because given a chance, EVERY ONE
of them chooses to live in "In God We Trust" USA rather than North
Korea, the atheist terror state that SUPRESSES freedom of thought or
belief, and threatens the US with a 'premptive nuclear strike'!
No one really wants to live in an atheist society,
not even atheists like Snot who admits they are "an evil abomination
killing and opressing" when they can live in the RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES
which have built and sustained the most evolved civilisations humanity
has yet achieved...
> where religion
> or irreligion is left to the populace *as a matter of personal choice*.
So after years of atheist anti-theism, as EVIDENCED by the atheist
anti-theist thuggery and violence by Nth Korea, BAAWA and the support of
both from this cesspit, alt.atheism, and the general atheist society ,
or 'evil abomination' as Snot calls it, we have Snot
conceding my thesis and pretending to support the theist tolerance
which you find in Majority religious societes, BUT NEVER IN AN ATHEIST
REGIME, or in atheists societies, according to this HYPOCRITE AND LIAR;
> If people want to believe in a deity, that's their business, and I'm happy that
> they do so.
NO YOU DO NOT!
You slander and vilify those who express religious viewpoints, (and
agnostics like myself who defend them from your slander and
vilification, you created a website falsely attributing YOUR words to
your target and then branding them a troll for what YOU SAID!
You photoshopped their portrait and pasted it onto a group photo
of a religious gathering, vilifying their ethnic cultural practices
and religious beliefs.. all of which were harmless, unlike the
80,000,000 people terrorised tortured and killed by ATHEIST states!
You defend the North Korean atheist terror state, denying the widely
accepted FACTS showing that it IS an atheist terror state, prohibits
religion, persecutes believers and constructed a state imposed
sham called Juche simply so when criticised by the ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL
COMUNITY (except you and your fellow atheist propagandists for
Pyongyang) for BANNING ALL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, they could say;
"No, lookeee here.. we got Juche, that our People's Cult!"
pfffft, the ONLY PEOPLE ON PLANET EARTH WHO ACCEPT AND HELP PROPAGATE
THE NORTH KOREAN ATHEIST TERROR STATES PROPAGANDA LIES are WESTERN
ATHEIST STOOGES AND TOOLS such as Snot Balneave and the rest of his
self-confessed 'evil abominations'
>
> The communist states FORCE atheism AS PART OF a political ideology.
Another LIE, China is the perfect example of a FORMER atheist tyranny,
which under Mao and his Cultural Devolution smashed churches, temples
and mosques, persecuted believers and phrihibited religion, terrorising
torturing and killing over 40,000,000 people and regressing China during
the Great Leap Backward! In 1982 they repudiated militant state
anti-theism and the forced indoctrination of State Atheism, and reformed
their constitution to ALLOW GREATER RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
As freedom of belief and thought spread, there were over 300,000,000 new
believers, as China progressed prospered and raced toward superpower
status. In every other atheist state thre was CATASTROPHIC FAILURE
which destroyed STATE, EXONOMY, CULTURE, PROGRESS AND HOPE.
In China when they abandoned IMPOSED STATE ATHEISM, they retained
POLITICAL control by the COMMUNIST PARTY and have had phenomenal PROGRESS.
Freedom, as the Chinese have learned is INDIVISIBLE, when you crush
religious belief and practice, you crush THOUGHT and ENTERPRISE because
fear of the atheist state is a MIND KILLER!
China is STILL run by the Communist Party, but
atheist anti-theism is FINISHED! B^]
Unlike Snot, I provide EVIDENCE for a RATIONAl ARGUMENT, not his
self-serving OPINIONS, BELIEFS and ATHEIST PROPAGANDA"
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
Recap to show this PROVEN atheist LIAR and propagandist for
ATHEIST STATE TYRANNY what happens when communists ABANDON
ATHEIST anti-theism:
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms,
religion was no longer proscribed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In 1982, the constitution was amended to allow
Chinese people considerable freedom of religion."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
The Chinese COMMUNISTS, freed of atheist anti-theism,
now praise the POSITIVE SOCIAL BENEFITS OF RELIGION,
"building a harmonious society" cutting down CRIME!
Still the Communist party, still exercising political
control and control of the COMMANDING HEIGHTS of the
economy.. but an NO LONGER ANTI-THEIST ATHEIST STATE! B^]
> They are not atheist states: they are COMMUNIST STATES.
THEY ARE **NOW* .. SINCE FREEDOM FROM THE FORMER ATHEIST
STATE TYRANNY which produced STAGNATION, MISERY DESPAIR
AND DEATH, was granted and religious belief EXPLODED! B^D
Now they are PROGRESSING at a fantastic rate,
with explosive economic growth, massive development,
entrepeneurship, dynamic new industries, an emerging
SUPERPOWER demonstrating that EXPANDING RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION
CORRELATES WITH PROGRESS.. while the USA with it's
slowly eroding religious affiliation, down to 75% has
slowly declined, economically, politically and globally.
I have witnessed it first hand, the DYNAMISM of the Chinese
people, their OPTIMISM and HOPE, their FAITH in the future,
and the more subdued spirit in America.. during my recent
travels through both countries last year.
As every atheist state, and according to Snot, every atheist society,
is an 'evil abomination' it is no surprise that atheism correlates
to FALURE, MISERY and DESPAIR.
Q.E.D.
And it is the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES that have produced the most
ENDURING SUCCESS and evolved the HIGHEST FORM os social organisation
the world has ever seen, the free open progressive secular democracies!
>>>>> After all, they were genuinely
>>>>> trying to set up an egalitarian society.
Evidence that their beliefs are superior to the FAILURE OF **EVERY*
ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY and thus the failed atheist thesis!
>>>>> You can't judge one brutal action harshly, and condemn it,
Yes you can, unless you are an atheist who denies the terror
torture and mass murder of not just ONE (and therfore possibly
ATYPICAL ABBERATION) BUT EVERY ATHEIST STATE IN HISTORY!
>>>>> then judge an equally brutal action as "oh, well,
>>>>> you have to look at the times/context/etc."
It has already been proven that Snot and the other atheist
holocaust deniers are HYPOCRITES who try all kinds of
propaganda lies to DENY THE FACTS, they lie ALL the time
> Despite your attempt at misdirection, you still haven't answered
> the question;
> under what context is it all right to burn someone to death?
Since when was that 'the question', you feeble apologist for
atheist state terror?
We are not interested in your EXCUSES for atheist terror
torture and murder.. just in making sure no 'evil abomination'
as you call atheist groups ever gets the chance to create another
atheist state.
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
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