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maff

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Jul 12, 2005, 7:15:36 AM7/12/05
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Rural Poor Aren't Sharing In Spoils of China's Changes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101710_pf.html

Costs of Goods Rise, Standard of Living Falls

By Peter S. Goodman
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, July 12, 2005; A01

SANBAIHU VILLAGE, China -- The China that Wang Huazhong glimpses on
television is in the midst of an amazing transformation. In cities he
has never visited, skyscrapers tower over highways choked with cars,
and people jam glass-fronted malls buying up jewelry and luggage simply
to pass the time.

Here in his village in the country's northwest, Wang sees the same
desiccated landscape that has changed little in his 46 years. A rutted
dirt track winds through treeless mountains to the county seat 30 miles
away, the outermost boundary of his experience. Watermelon plants
emerge reluctantly from chalky soil, waiting for rain that may never
come. A wood stove occupies his mud floor, painting his walls with
soot.

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PeterL

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Jul 12, 2005, 12:43:12 PM7/12/05
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maff wrote:
> Rural Poor Aren't Sharing In Spoils of China's Changes

Like, this is news? It's pretty common for any new economy to have
have's and have nots. It would be highly unusual to have lock step
economic development in urban and rural areas. Hell many highly
developed countries still have a large segment of their population not
sharing in the country's wealth.

charl...@my-deja.com

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Jul 13, 2005, 2:10:12 AM7/13/05
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PeterL wrote:
> maff wrote:
> > Rural Poor Aren't Sharing In Spoils of China's Changes
>
> Like, this is news? It's pretty common for any new economy to have
> have's and have nots. It would be highly unusual to have lock step
> economic development in urban and rural areas.

Well said. China's culture is not even that "different", and we must
not be judgmental.

But leave it to the self-righteous who are convinced they for some
unknown are uniquely better qualified to judge what's "healthy",
"normal", so much so than 1.2 billion Chinese people.

> Hell many highly
> developed countries still have a large segment of their population not
> sharing in the country's wealth.

Case in point, for comparison (and not for rationalizing China's own
delimas and choices) - America's growing underclass:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/race/economics/sam.html

skyeyes

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Jul 13, 2005, 2:59:07 PM7/13/05
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PeterL wrote:

>Hell many highly developed countries still have a large
>segment of their population not sharing in the country's wealth.

USA: see "Indian Reservations"

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Jim Walsh

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Jul 13, 2005, 9:33:45 AM7/13/05
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:10:12 -0700, charles_liu thought carefully and
wrote:

> PeterL wrote:

>> Hell many highly
>> developed countries still have a large segment of their population not
>> sharing in the country's wealth.
>
> Case in point, for comparison (and not for rationalizing China's own
> delimas and choices)

Mr. Lui, since you are not providing these facts to rationalize the CCP's
neglect of the rural poor, who no longer get free education, free medical
care or any of the benefits promised under communism, can we conclude that
you are criticizing the CCP?


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markde...@hotmail.com

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Jul 13, 2005, 5:22:48 PM7/13/05
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How can you equate US indian reservations to Tibet?
The average Tibetian is constrained to remain inside Tibet by law
and practice; they are prisoners.

Indians are more than welcome to leave their reservations and come
to Wall Street (or San Diego or where-ever)
and make their milliions like so many other Americans as well as
immigrants. Many of
them have done so. They
have full rights and privileges of US citizens. In fact, they have
MORE privileges given
their historical status. These privileges include taking advantages of
their reservation properties
to make BILLIONS running gambling operations for white americans.
Unlike Tibetians,
US Indians are not required
to remain on their reservations. All they have to do is get in a car
and drive. Indeed, closing up
those reservations would make the US taxpayers quite happy.

Jim Walsh

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Jul 14, 2005, 3:49:07 AM7/14/05
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:22:48 -0700, markdemers15 thought carefully and
wrote:

> How can you equate US indian reservations to Tibet? The average Tibetian
> is constrained to remain inside Tibet by law and practice; they are
> prisoners.
>
> Indians are more than welcome to leave their reservations and come to
> Wall Street (or San Diego or where-ever) and make their milliions like

> so many other Americans as well as immigrants. ...

Good points.

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maff

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Jul 14, 2005, 4:05:32 AM7/14/05
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markde...@hotmail.com wrote:
> How can you equate US indian reservations to Tibet?
> The average Tibetian is constrained to remain inside Tibet by law
> and practice; they are prisoners.
>
> Indians are more than welcome to leave their reservations and come
> to Wall Street (or San Diego or where-ever)
> and make their milliions like so many other Americans as well as
> immigrants. Many of

So why aren't you telling that to the judge, Royce Lamberth?

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> them have done so. They
> have full rights and privileges of US citizens. In fact, they have
> MORE privileges given
> their historical status. These privileges include taking advantages of
> their reservation properties
> to make BILLIONS running gambling operations for white americans.
> Unlike Tibetians,
> US Indians are not required
> to remain on their reservations. All they have to do is get in a car
> and drive. Indeed, closing up
> those reservations would make the US taxpayers quite happy.

Nah. US tax payers won't be happy when they find they have to pay
several hundreds of trillions of dollars in compensation to the Native
Americans.

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Jim Walsh

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Jul 14, 2005, 4:27:43 AM7/14/05
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:05:32 -0700, maff thought carefully and wrote:

> markde...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> How can you equate US indian reservations to Tibet? The average
>> Tibetian is constrained to remain inside Tibet by law and practice;
>> they are prisoners.
>>
>> Indians are more than welcome to leave their reservations and come to
>> Wall Street (or San Diego or where-ever) and make their milliions like
>> so many other Americans as well as immigrants. Many of
>
> So why aren't you telling that to the judge, Royce Lamberth?

The mistreatment of Native Americans by the USA is well-known. The Judge
who concluded that the BIA stole and mishandled trust properties does not
need Mr. Lamberth to confirm that for him.

Nevertheless, as bad as the original people were treated, they have more
rights than Tibetans. Which was Mr. Lamberth's point.

BTW, if Mr. Lamberth were arguing that the mistreatment of Tibetans
justified the mistreatment of Native Americans, or vice-a-versa, I would
certainly be criticizing him.

BTW, further if he were arguing that giving native Americans certain
rights excuses their mistreatment, I would certainly be criticizing him.

Jez

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Jul 14, 2005, 4:57:39 AM7/14/05
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markde...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1121289768.172786.80350
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> How can you equate US indian reservations to Tibet?
> The average Tibetian is constrained to remain inside Tibet by law
> and practice; they are prisoners.

And their under the vile 'Lamas' in Tibet things were worse....
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

>
> Indians are more than welcome to leave their reservations and come
> to Wall Street (or San Diego or where-ever)
> and make their milliions like so many other Americans as well as
> immigrants. Many of
> them have done so. They
> have full rights and privileges of US citizens. In fact, they have
> MORE privileges given
> their historical status.

LOL !!!! Someones arse is where their head should be !

> These privileges include taking advantages of
> their reservation properties
> to make BILLIONS running gambling operations for white americans.


Privileges ???????? It was THEIR land, dipshit.

--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.

'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn



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