MCKEE, Ky. (AP) — With essentially no community opposition, volunteers placed the Ten Commandments in every classroom in a rural eastern Kentucky school district before classes began on Wednesday. The Jackson County school board and superintendent made the decision as part of ``an effort to start having good morals in school ... because of all the violent issues that have been showing up,'' said Betty Bond, principal of Jackson County High School. Timothy Crawford, the district's attorney, said he's concerned about lawsuits, but believes the Ten Commandment plaques in the district's five schools are allowed by law because they were paid for and posted by local volunteers. Robert Lakes, a business teacher at Jackson County High School, said the Ten Commandments were posted in the classroom when he was growing up. ``It's like the flag,'' Lakes said. ``We've been tearing down symbols that have been in this country'' for a long time. Jackson County isn't the only school district in Kentucky or the country where the Ten Commandments are on display in schools. Tonya Adams, principal of Union Chapel Elementary School in Russell County, which has had the Ten Commandments posted for years, said she's never received any complaints about it. In Adams County, Ohio, a group of ministers paid to place Ten Commandments tablets outside four high schools to counter ``moral decline.'' Jeff Vessels, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky, said the organization just became aware of the situation in Jackson County and has not had time to consider a response. ``We're very concerned,'' he said in a telephone interview from Louisville. In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a Kentucky case that posting the Ten Commandments violated the Constitution's ban on government-established religion. In June, the U.S. House passed a measure allowing the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools and other government buildings. The bill now goes to the Senate.
Rather amusing. Don't look at the root cause of what causes kids to act out violently -- bad home lives, not fitting in at school, etc -- and just shove in a quick fix. Sorry, but I doubt "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is gonna make any difference to a kid who's already decided his like sucks enough that he's gonna go out in a blaze of glory, taking a few people with him.
athe...@home.com wrote in message <37b220ea.274366934@news-server>... >Ky. School Displays 10 Commandments
> By KIMBERLY HEFLING > Associated Press Writer
> MCKEE, Ky. (AP) — With essentially no community opposition, > volunteers placed the Ten Commandments in every classroom in a rural > eastern Kentucky school district before classes began on Wednesday. >The Jackson County school board and superintendent made the decision >as part of ``an effort to start having good morals in school ... >because of all the violent issues that have been showing up,'' said >Betty Bond, principal of Jackson County High School. >Timothy Crawford, the district's attorney, said he's concerned about > lawsuits, but believes the Ten Commandment plaques in the district's >five schools are allowed by law because they were paid for and posted >by local volunteers. >Robert Lakes, a business teacher at Jackson County High School, said >the Ten Commandments were posted in the classroom when he was growing > up. >``It's like the flag,'' Lakes said. ``We've been tearing down symbols >that have been in this country'' for a long time. >Jackson County isn't the only school district in Kentucky or the >country where the Ten Commandments are on display in schools. Tonya >Adams, principal of Union Chapel Elementary School in Russell County, >which has had the Ten Commandments posted for years, said she's never >received any complaints about it. >In Adams County, Ohio, a group of ministers paid to place Ten > Commandments tablets outside four high schools to counter ``moral > decline.'' >Jeff Vessels, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union >of Kentucky, said the organization just became aware of the situation >in Jackson County and has not had time to consider a response. >``We're very concerned,'' he said in a telephone interview from >Louisville. >In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a Kentucky case that posting >the Ten Commandments violated the Constitution's ban on > government-established religion. >In June, the U.S. House passed a measure allowing the Ten > Commandments to be posted in schools and other government buildings. > The bill now goes to the Senate.
Reciting the Lord's Prayer in the morning, not teaching evolution, and now posting the Ten Commandments... I took it for granted that my school (near Toronto, ON Canada) is religion-neutral, but after reading about this I'm feeling very grateful.
Rob Teehan wrote: > athe...@home.com wrote in message <37b220ea.274366934@news-server>... > >Ky. School Displays 10 Commandments
> > By KIMBERLY HEFLING > > Associated Press Writer
> > MCKEE, Ky. (AP) — With essentially no community opposition, > > volunteers placed the Ten Commandments in every classroom in a rural > > eastern Kentucky school district before classes began on Wednesday. > >The Jackson County school board and superintendent made the decision > >as part of ``an effort to start having good morals in school ... > >because of all the violent issues that have been showing up,'' said > >Betty Bond, principal of Jackson County High School. > >Timothy Crawford, the district's attorney, said he's concerned about > > lawsuits, but believes the Ten Commandment plaques in the district's > >five schools are allowed by law because they were paid for and posted > >by local volunteers. > >Robert Lakes, a business teacher at Jackson County High School, said > >the Ten Commandments were posted in the classroom when he was growing > > up. > >``It's like the flag,'' Lakes said. ``We've been tearing down symbols > >that have been in this country'' for a long time. > >Jackson County isn't the only school district in Kentucky or the > >country where the Ten Commandments are on display in schools. Tonya > >Adams, principal of Union Chapel Elementary School in Russell County, > >which has had the Ten Commandments posted for years, said she's never > >received any complaints about it. > >In Adams County, Ohio, a group of ministers paid to place Ten > > Commandments tablets outside four high schools to counter ``moral > > decline.'' > >Jeff Vessels, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union > >of Kentucky, said the organization just became aware of the situation > >in Jackson County and has not had time to consider a response. > >``We're very concerned,'' he said in a telephone interview from > >Louisville. > >In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a Kentucky case that posting > >the Ten Commandments violated the Constitution's ban on > > government-established religion. > >In June, the U.S. House passed a measure allowing the Ten > > Commandments to be posted in schools and other government buildings. > > The bill now goes to the Senate.
> Reciting the Lord's Prayer in the morning, not teaching evolution, and now > posting the Ten Commandments... > I took it for granted that my school (near Toronto, ON Canada) is > religion-neutral, but after reading about this I'm feeling very grateful.
> Rob
I'm an atheist myself but I go to a catholic school for a good laugh. =) Religion class is so easy...
>Rather amusing. Don't look at the root cause of what causes kids to act >out violently -- bad home lives, not fitting in at school, etc -- and >just shove in a quick fix. Sorry, but I doubt "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is >gonna make any difference to a kid who's already decided his like sucks >enough that he's gonna go out in a blaze of glory, taking a few people >with him.
A great source for morals, the same people who:
Persecuted Galileo for being right. Brought us the Crusades Brought us the Holocaust Brought us numerous Inquisitions Brought us Witch Burnings Hate Mongering/Homophobia/anti-semitism/intolerance Missionary annhilation of indigenous populations and their cultures. Endorsed slavery Endorsed a subservient position in society for women.
Etc., etc., etc.
Oh yeah, posting the ten commandments should solve all the problems in the public schools.
Did I mention that school principle is buying some choice swamp land I currently own.
> Rather amusing. Don't look at the root cause of what causes kids to act > out violently -- bad home lives, not fitting in at school, etc -- and > just shove in a quick fix. Sorry, but I doubt "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is > gonna make any difference to a kid who's already decided his like sucks > enough that he's gonna go out in a blaze of glory, taking a few people > with him.
Besides, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is NOT one of the Ten Commandments!
"Thou Shalt Not Kill" *is* one of ten things that God says in Exodus 20. But the ten things God says which are *identified* as "The Ten Commandments" in the Bible occur in Exodus 34. "Thou shalt not kill" isn't one of them!
If you have one of these icky books, look it up yourself.
-Jeff Dee
-- "It is as morally bad not to care whether a thing is true or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to care how you got your money as long as you have got it." -Edmund Way Teale, "Circle of the Seasons", 1950
borg166 wrote in message <37B25192.DF96F...@hotmail.com>... >Rob Teehan wrote: >> Reciting the Lord's Prayer in the morning, not teaching evolution, and now >> posting the Ten Commandments... >> I took it for granted that my school (near Toronto, ON Canada) is >> religion-neutral, but after reading about this I'm feeling very grateful. >I'm an atheist myself but I go to a catholic school for a good laugh. =) >Religion class is so easy...
> >> If you have one of these icky books, look it up > >> yourself.
> >I don't.
> Do what I did. Next time you're in a hotel, pick up one of the > complementary copies that they have.
Heh. The last time I remember attempting to read one of those was when I was about 14. I was visiting my cousin in Colorado and we took a trip up to South Dakota to see Mt. Rushmore. I tried to start reading the Bible from the beginning. It didn't take long for me to get bored.
>> >> If you have one of these icky books, look it up >> >> yourself.
>> >I don't.
>> Do what I did. Next time you're in a hotel, pick up one of the >> complementary copies that they have.
>Heh. The last time I remember attempting to read one of those was when >I was about 14. I was visiting my cousin in Colorado and we took a trip >up to South Dakota to see Mt. Rushmore. I tried to start reading the >Bible from the beginning. It didn't take long for me to get bored.
The Bible is actually a pretty entertaining book, like the Odyssey or the Lord of the Rings trilogy. But it gets ruined by the fact that people actually believe it...
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> > Rather amusing. Don't look at the root cause of what causes kids to act > > out violently -- bad home lives, not fitting in at school, etc -- and > > just shove in a quick fix. Sorry, but I doubt "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is > > gonna make any difference to a kid who's already decided his like sucks > > enough that he's gonna go out in a blaze of glory, taking a few people > > with him.
> Besides, "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is NOT one of the Ten > Commandments!
> "Thou Shalt Not Kill" *is* one of ten things that God > says in Exodus 20. But the ten things God says which > are *identified* as "The Ten Commandments" in the Bible > occur in Exodus 34. "Thou shalt not kill" isn't one of > them!
> If you have one of these icky books, look it up > yourself.
Hey, I just got one of those icky books (Cheapo secondhand) for just these sort of occasions. First time I used it I looked up the Exodus stuff. Whaddya know - the ten commandments are a pile of crap. And what the hell is all that about the "first birth of the womb belongs to me" and buying back the males and stuff? And then the part that people *think* contains the ten commandments, it goes on about what to do with your slaves - I notice the hebrew men get to go free after six years but not the women (unless you put her eye out or knock out a few teeth) And there's so much of it - those hebrew elders were control freaks weren't they, when they made up all this stuff?
Mind you, I loved the way it kept coming back to *honouring* your parents and not answering back. You can just imagine them all sitting round a dung fire, moaning and groaning about their kids, how they've got no respect and 'it wasn't like that when we were young, we knew what respect was'. ROFL!
-- Diem 1459
"More and more, I want to be living in a Big Here and a Long Now." - Brian Eno
> >> If you have one of these icky books, look it up > >> yourself.
> >I don't.
> Do what I did. Next time you're in a hotel, pick up one of the > complementary copies that they have.
You have to be selective on that, though. Most of the complimentary copies I've seen were the KJV, while I prefer the more modern (readable) versions. I use the NRSV - the grandson of the KJV, and a LOT more fun to schlepp through.
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On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:27:32 GMT, john-hat...@bigfoot.com (John
Hattan) wrote: > Dan McEwen <djmcew...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >uniga...@io.com wrote: > >> If you have one of these icky books, look it up > >> yourself. > >I don't. > Do what I did. Next time you're in a hotel, pick up one of the > complementary copies that they have.
