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L.Roberts  
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From: "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:10:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 8:10 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Jun 1, 7:29 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

I've been observing the phenomena of 'early religious indoctrination'
for a long time now. Actually there is nothing about you that is any
different than any of the other sheeple so afflicted. Maybe someday
though a way will be found to snap all of you out of your closed
mindedness.

 
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From: Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:55:40 -0500
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 8:55 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

God is omnipotent. He agreed to let Lucifer/Satan explore sin and
rebellion with we humans tagging along for the purpose of learning
enough about sin and rebellion to assure God that NONE of us would
EVER want to go back and explore it any further, once we've been
granted immortality and absolute sovereignty.

God could have pre-programmed us as puppets or He could have
intimidated us into compliance, but this would not have provided means
for us to mature into fully reliable, fully sovereign individuals, as
God wants us to. We are children of God and children are expected to
mature to the level of their parents. God wants us to be absolutely
sovereign and absolutely reliable, during our immortal existence.

Back to your implication that God is not able...there are many ways in
which god restricts Himself. For example, God can not lie or be
deceptive...because He restricts Himself in these matters. In a
similar way, God restricted Himself when He allowed Lucifer/Satan to
delve into the realm of sin and rebellion. When Lucifer first got this
idea, there was no other Satan leading him on, and there was no way
for Lucifer and the other angels to develop a full, in-depth
understanding of the effects of sin and rebellion other than to get
down and get dirty while exploring it in depth. This is the ONLY way
any of us could develop the understanding that will enable us to
resist any and all temptations to go the way Lucifer/Satan went in the
beginning.

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 More options Jun 1 2012, 10:17 am
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From: Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 10:17 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On May 31, 4:59 am, Ivan I. Deer <Iv...@swbell.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2012 08:00:14 -0400, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 5/30/2012 7:07 AM, duke wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 May 2012 07:33:33 -0400, HVAC<mr.h...@gmail.com>  wrote:

> >>> On 5/29/2012 7:31 AM, duke wrote:

> >>>> If you believed in the Christian God, you would understand.
> >>> As opposed to the Jewish god?

> >> Same one.

> >And the muslum god?

> The Muslim Allah is one and the same as Satan who deceived Adam and
> Eve.

Is Trump also Mormon?
As for those being Mormon is at least open minded enough to accept
that other forms of intelligent life besides us humans exist, and I
kind of like that.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fac2Fig1.jpg
 "Detail of Joseph Smith Hypocephalus. Reference numeral 1 represents
Kolob according to Joseph Smith, Jr., who was not a trained
Egyptologist. Modern scholars interpret this as an altered figure of a
creator god."

The Mormon god looks like a giant cockroach, as being worshiped by a
couple of dogs.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abraham_Facsimile_2.png
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

At least their symbolism is quite fascinating and worthy of such
Mormon ETs.

Seriously, what ETs has Romney and Donald Trump ever spoken with?

“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...
 Go right ahead and tell us whatever you can manage to interpret,
because if you accept other mainstream media imaging obtained from
public funded science that’s of extensively photoshopped, stacked and
color/hue saturation modified images that our NASA plus the likes of
JPL and ASU gets mainstream published and even into textbooks all the
time, then interpreting this one should be quite easy.

 http://groups.google.com/groups/search
 http://translate.google.com/#
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From: linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:46:03 -0700
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

HVAC wrote:

> Which only points up the foolishness of religious wars.
> They aren't fighting over who's god is real..They fight
> over which flavor of god is preferred.

Quarks for sale- Comes in six flavors!

 
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From: Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Jun 1, 8:55 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:

> God is omnipotent. He agreed to let Lucifer/Satan explore sin and
> rebellion with we humans tagging along for the purpose of learning
> enough about sin and rebellion to assure God that NONE of us would
> EVER want to go back and explore it any further, once we've been
> granted immortality and absolute sovereignty.

That's like giving someone beer in hopes that they'll
never want one again.

 
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 More options Jun 1 2012, 12:58 pm
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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:58:45 -0500
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:10:24 -0700 (PDT), "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

That because, as an early religious indoctrinated, I grew up and realized the
truth hadn't changed..

> Maybe someday
>though a way will be found to snap all of you out of your closed
>mindedness.

We lose then.  If you join us, you win.

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 More options Jun 1 2012, 3:06 pm
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From: Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:06:48 -0500
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote
in news:jq5utk$fl7$1@dont-email.me:

Where does the bible say this?

> He created
> Satan to be nearly as powerful as Him, and it's going to be difficult
> to defeat him, but He can do it.

This is pure silliness.  Why would someone who wants to win create an enemy
that could possibly prevent this?  Then again, why would a sane creator
create a species said creator knew would "sin" against him, then punish it
horribly for that?

Your jesus stories are the ramblings of a madman.

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From: Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:18:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0104016f-2f6c-4535-9bcf-e1a7b728ac66@fr28g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> http://news.yahoo.com/serpent-handling-west-virginia-pastor-dies-snake-
> bite-173406645--abc-news-topstories.html

> Pastor picks up Satan and pays the ultimate penalty. LOL,
> Pentacostalists, dumbest bastard out there.

"A "serpent-handling" West Virginia pastor died after his rattlesnake bit
him during a church ritual, just as the man had apparently watched a snake
kill his father years before."

---

He apparently blamed Satan for his father's demise, believing he could
overcome this "evil" himself.  Like I keep saying, these idiots are
incapable of learning, even from their own mistakes.

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From: Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:20:53 -0500
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in
news:a7nes7pfrcfp3lsfnqavjo3unot44ejn1a@4ax.com:

>>Those are fox Pentecostals.  Real Pentecostals stay away from snakes.
>>We prefer lizards and baby alligators.

> So you're a fake pente?

He's a Loki.  Pretty good one, too.  He's made mistakes, though, that point
to him being an atheist pretending to be a fundy.

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Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other of the Borg  
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 More options Jun 1 2012, 4:32 pm
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From: Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other of the Borg <six-n...@borgcollective.gov>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:32:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
In article <2p9hs7hlo54k7p2m4f7o0qph94islej...@4ax.com>,

You worship a little god.

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From: Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other of the Borg <six-n...@borgcollective.gov>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:57:13 -0700
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
In article <vb9hs75i1cqp8aq3h0pjldb4gskgvdv...@4ax.com>,

 duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> 1.  Eternal love with God in Heaven.  
> 2.  Salvation from the fires of Hell.

You live, you die, you're gone. Only the god to be will be eternal.

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From: Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:17:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On May 30, 4:11 pm, "Zacharias Mulletstein"

Satan was jebus' older brother.  Ask any mormon.

 
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From: Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2012 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Jun 1, 4:27 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

:

> >> So what are you looking for?  Or don't you realize there are only 2 choices to
> >> pursue.

:

> >Dude, you are SO close!
> >Only off by one.

:

> Oh, you must be talking about the triune Godhead

Which "tribune Godhead"?  Celtic, Germanic, Greek,
Indian, Roman, Slavic, Taoist, Thelemic, other?  Triune
deities are boringly common.

> - the Father is not the Son is
> not the Holy Spirit is not the Father.  I thought you were talking about heaven
> or hell.

I'm -- as of course even you understood -- talking
about your "there are only two choices".

Close: there's only one.  But that one's not a
choice.

:

> >And so you admit that the only reason one you can
> >think of to want to spend an endelssly tediuous
> >eternity in heaven is "Well, at least it isn't
> >hell"?

:

> Strawman.

Really?  Define the usage of that term, and
explain why you claim it is one:

:

> >I guess I'll have to add you to the list of
> >Christians who were puzzlingly unable to give me a
> >single reason they were looking forward to heaven.

:

> 1.  Eternal love with God in Heaven.

Seeing what his "love" has wrought here on Earth
in a few mere millennia, I'll pass on seeing
what horrors he can concoct given unlimited time.

But even so, what do you plan to do there, other
than sitting around for ever and ever and ever
and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and
ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever?

No thank you.

:

> 2.  Salvation from the fires of Hell.

Uh huh.  And living in a refrigerator box in an
alley in New York is better than living in the
slums of Calcutta. That doesn't make it any kind
of positive recommendation.

> So you don't have any yourself!!!  Interesting.

Not a one.  Contemplating prospect of such a thing
is one thing that started me on my recovery from Christianity.

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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:34:57 -0400
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:20:53 -0500, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
>duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:a7nes7pfrcfp3lsfnqavjo3unot44ejn1a@4ax.com:

>>>Those are fox Pentecostals.  Real Pentecostals stay away from snakes.
>>>We prefer lizards and baby alligators.

>> So you're a fake pente?

>He's a Loki.  Pretty good one, too.  He's made mistakes, though, that point
>to him being an atheist pretending to be a fundy.

I hope not.  I prefer to suppose that atheists are more honest than
that.  Besides, I have never noticed any shortage of fundies capable
of making their faith look idiotic.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:54:40 -0500
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 7:54 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:32:18 -0700, Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other
of the Borg <six-n...@borgcollective.gov> wrote:

I'm not sure about his size, but he's the ONLY God almighty.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:57:39 -0500
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 7:57 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:57:13 -0700, Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other
of the Borg <six-n...@borgcollective.gov> wrote:

>In article <vb9hs75i1cqp8aq3h0pjldb4gskgvdv...@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

>> 1.  Eternal love with God in Heaven.  
>> 2.  Salvation from the fires of Hell.

>You live, you die, you're gone. Only the god to be will be eternal.

God said otherwise.

Our bodies come from dust and to dust our bodies will return.   Fancy that.  We
come from dust.  Our God had no problem animating us and giving us a soul.  He
will have no problem re-animating our souls which are imperishable.  

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:09:38 -0500
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 8:09 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:57:26 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.inferna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

There's only one - almighty God.  Those "others" you refer to have never so much
as lifted one wooden finger.

Don't you ever investigate your wild comments, lepod.  You wouldn't appear so
immature if you did.

>> - the Father is not the Son is
>> not the Holy Spirit is not the Father.  I thought you were talking about heaven
>> or hell.
>I'm -- as of course even you understood -- talking
>about your "there are only two choices".

I already know what I'm talking about - heaven or hell.   YOU are the one that
suggested "off by one".

>Close: there's only one.  But that one's not a
>choice.

Heeheehee.

>> >And so you admit that the only reason one you can
>> >think of to want to spend an endelssly tediuous
>> >eternity in heaven is "Well, at least it isn't
>> >hell"?
>> Strawman.
>Really?  Define the usage of that term, and
>explain why you claim it is one:

Inconsequential and false conclusion.

>> 1.  Eternal love with God in Heaven.
>Seeing what his "love" has wrought here on Earth
>in a few mere millennia, I'll pass on seeing
>what horrors he can concoct given unlimited time.

I know what his love is.  

>> 2.  Salvation from the fires of Hell.
>Uh huh.  And living in a refrigerator box in an
>alley in New York is better than living in the
>slums of Calcutta. That doesn't make it any kind
>of positive recommendation.

Then you don't understand.

>> So you don't have any yourself!!!  Interesting.
>Not a one.  Contemplating prospect of such a thing
>is one thing that started me on my recovery from Christianity.

I'm thrilled about being back.  I was wrong before and you are now.

>Seth

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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:12:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

The answer to your second comment is that God wants us to reflect our desire to
overcome our sinfulness for his love.  It's a maturity in creation thing.

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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:17:00 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell

That's why mormons aren't Christians.

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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:14:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:55:40 -0500, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net>
wrote:

No, not once, but in exchange for.

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From: duke <duckgumb...@cox.net>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:18:08 -0500
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Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

Islam - God named Allah, people - muslims submissive to God.
Judiasm - God named Jehovah, people - Jews servants of God.
Christianity - God named God, people - Christians family of God.

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L.Roberts  
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 More options Jun 2 2012, 8:05 am
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From: "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 05:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 8:05 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
On Jun 1, 12:58 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

all you have is artificial light, duke, you dumbass racist bastard,
the dark is still there, will always be there, but, and here I have a
agree with a historic dumbass, there is nothing to fear but fear itself

 
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Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other of the Borg  
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 More options Jun 2 2012, 8:41 am
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From: Aunt Six of Nine or Half-dozen of the Other of the Borg <six-n...@borgcollective.gov>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 05:41:11 -0700
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 8:41 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G
In article <1u0ks79v9q3avje8id4ste82vuelqlb...@4ax.com>,

Don't you get tired of telling your god what to do?

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Aren't you special. Tell me your problems.


 
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Alan Ferris  
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 More options Jun 2 2012, 8:43 am
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From: Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:43:47 +0100
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 8:43 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:54:40 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Pagan.

>>You worship a little god.

>I'm not sure about his size, but he's the ONLY God almighty.

Is that why you are so FAT, trying to copy him?

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"And God said that no one has ever seen him." - duke (Earl Webber)

Exodus 24:10 "...and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet
there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire...”
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"no one had a job, so no money." - duke (Earl Webber)

Matthew 22:19 "Show me the coin used for paying the tax..."
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"The only religion preceding Christianity was Judaism" - duke (Earl
Webber)

1 Kings 22:53 "For he served Baal, and worshipped him"
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Alan Ferris  
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 More options Jun 2 2012, 8:45 am
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From: Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:45:41 +0100
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2012 8:45 am
Subject: Re: He signs His name with a capital G

On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:12:39 -0500, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>>This is pure silliness.  Why would someone who wants to win create an enemy
>>that could possibly prevent this?  Then again, why would a sane creator
>>create a species said creator knew would "sin" against him, then punish it
>>horribly for that?
>>Your jesus stories are the ramblings of a madman.

>The answer to your second comment is that God wants us to reflect our desire to
>overcome our sinfulness for his love.  It's a maturity in creation thing.

So why do you keep lying, or do you feel lying is not a sin worthy of
overcoming?

"Did you report yourself to the civil authorities for what you did to
your priest?"
- duke (Earl Weber) defending abuse


 
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