Man in Supposed 23-Year-Long Coma Speaks, Says He Was Always Conscious
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knows?
http://www.lifenews.com/bio3007.html
Man in Supposed 23-Year-Long Coma Speaks, Says He Was Always Conscious
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
November 23, 2009
London, England (LifeNews.com) -- After he was the victim of an automobile
accident, doctors said 23-year-old Rom Houben was in a comatose state and
unable to communicate with those around him. Now, 23 years later, the
46-year-old says he felt trapped as he was conscious the entire time and
attempted to communicate.
Houben became paralyzed after the crash but, thanks to advances in medical
technology, he is now able to tell the world his thoughts via computer.
"I screamed, but there was nothing to hear," he told the London Daily Mail
newspaper.
"I dreamed myself away," he said of how he coped with the situation. "All
that time I just literally dreamed of a better life. Frustration is too
small a word to describe what I felt."
Although tests at the time showed that he was essentially "extinct," newer
tests conducted just three years ago showed Houben's brain was functioning
normally -- and his renewed ability to communicate is something he describes
as a "second birth."
"I shall never forget the day when they discovered what was truly wrong with
me - it was my second birth," he told the paper. "I want to read, talk with
my friends via the computer and enjoy my life now that people know I am not
dead."
British neurological expert Dr. Steven Laureys has described Houben's case
in a new paper and said, "Medical advances caught up with him."
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J Young
Jvis...@live.com
IAAH
> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> knows?
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If only "facilitated communication" weren't an utter bunch of shit, who
knows?
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian godmay exist; so may the
gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them."
- Bertrand Russell
Ray Fischer
>If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
>knows?
Everybody except you nazi turds knows.
>http://www.lifenews.com/bio3007.html
>Man in Supposed 23-Year-Long Coma Speaks, Says He Was Always Conscious
And the FMRI scan actually revealed his consciousness. A similar scan
shows Schiavo's lack of brain.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Clave
news:3acf1u....@news.alt.net...
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> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> knows?
What, you think her brain would have reconstituted itself from its
atrophied, walnut-sized state?
Sounds about as likely as yours doing the same thing.
Jim
Jeffrey Normann
> J wrote, On 09-11-24 12:04 AM:
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> > If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> > knows?
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> If only "facilitated communication" weren't an utter bunch of shit, who
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> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot
> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian godmay exist; so may the
> gods of
> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
> hypotheses is
> more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable
> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them."
> - Bertrand Russell
/applaud. People fall for facilitated communication waaaaaaay too
easily.
Lefty
> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
<snip liesite claptrap>
Jimbo
> knows?
The doctors that examined them knew.
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> http://www.lifenews.com/bio3007.html
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> Man in Supposed 23-Year-Long Coma Speaks, Says He Was Always Conscious
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> by Steven Ertelt
> LifeNews.com Editor
> November 23, 2009
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> London, England (LifeNews.com) -- After he was the victim of an automobile
> accident, doctors said 23-year-old Rom Houben was in a comatose state and
> unable to communicate with those around him. Now, 23 years later, the
> 46-year-old says he felt trapped as he was conscious the entire time and
> attempted to communicate.
Did his doctor ever diagnose him as being in a deteriorating,
vegetative state?
Jimbo
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Looks like he "communicated" in much the same manner as spirits
"communicate" through a ouji borard. All it takes is one wise guy...
Lee
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> London, England (LifeNews.com) -- After he was the victim of an
> automobile accident, doctors said 23-year-old Rom Houben was in a
> comatose state and unable to communicate with those around him. Now,
> 23 years later, the 46-year-old says he felt trapped as he was
> conscious the entire time and attempted to communicate.
> Houben became paralyzed after the crash but, thanks to advances in
> medical technology, he is now able to tell the world his thoughts via
> computer.
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> "I screamed, but there was nothing to hear," he told the London Daily
> Mail newspaper.
Wonder what he was silently screaming, perhaps "FFS someone end this
nightmare and kill me pleeeeeese!"
Sanity's Little Helper
> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> knows?
Everybody knows, and that includes you, that Terry Schiavo was already
dead.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"Christian" (n). A person who views insulting non-Christians as a sacred
duity, and any response as persecution
Not authentic without this signature.
Boo Radley
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Yeah, her pudding brain could have congealed and she could have hopped up
and did the Charleston. Terry Schiavo was dead 20 years ago and should have
been put to rest then. You idiots are the only ones trying to make her into
some sort of martyr which is the reason that all of you morons should be put
to death because you are stupid.
LC
Drugged out kook "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
news:3acf1u....@news.alt.net...
> If only Michael Schiavo <kookslap>
Speaking of comas, if only you had left heroin and methadone alone, you
might have had a life.
Ain't hypotheticals fun?
"A.A. has no position on any outside issues but, ask yourself (and only
yourself) why would you want to do these other substances if your goal is to
straighten out your life p.s. I'm a former maintainance man so i'm not just
talking out my ass. good luck and God bless! ;)"
From: jdyo...@volcanomail.com (J Young)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.aa
Subject: Re: methadone
Date: 12 Nov 2003 19:31:53 -0800
Message-ID: <25e1e54f.03111...@posting.google.com>
Gwen Bennet
You're conscious, but you're in a morality coma.
> http://www.lifenews.com/bio3007.html
Not credible.
Davej
> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> knows?
You're an idiot. Brain waves can be easily measured. They can tell if
you are awake or asleep or in a coma. More extensive scans can tell
exactly how much of the brain tissue is functioning.
archie dux
What a horrible, horrible, tragic joke.
The patient is not "saying" anything. The patient
is a vegetable.
It's the sad phenomenon of "facilitated communication".
The only "saying" that is going on is coming via the
woman, who is pointing the patient's finger to one
key after another.
She may be being consciously deceptive, in which
case she should be jailed. Or she may be doing
it unconsciously, like children playing with a Ouija
board, convinced that some thing outside of themselves
is moving the planchette. Either way, there are
no spirits, just as in the case of this patient,
there is no longer any one home.
It's a sad farce.
See also
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/
search down to "Is this guy conscious?:"
Archie
Archie
haiku jones
Wrong. Stupidly, gullably, irresponsibly wrong:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/783-this-cruel-farce-has-to-stop.html
Haiku Jones
brady r
> On Nov 23, 10:04 pm, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
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> Wrong. Stupidly, gullably, irresponsibly wrong:
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Actually, some news reports are indicating that this
patient had been previously diagnosed as "locked in"
via PET scans. If this is true, then no one was
regarding him as a vegetable.
And if that is true, can you imagine the frustration
he must feel as the facilitated communicator
happily charges ahead, putting words in
his mouth?
brady r
Syd M.
> knows?
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We do know, meth junkie... They'd still be waiting around today. And
Schiavo would still be the same living dead husk she was then.
PDW
WangoTango
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> If only Michael Schiavo or the Berg family had waited a little longer, who
> knows?
She had no brain, you know kinda' like you.......
Just wait until your family pulls the plug.
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 24, 12:04?am, "J" <Jvisi...@live.com> wrote:
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> You're conscious, but you're in a morality coma.
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>> http://www.lifenews.com/bio3007.html
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> Not credible.
Houben's more credible than Junkie will ever be.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 2, Houston 1 (OT, November 22)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 25 at Hamilton, 6:05
Ben Kaufman
Just ask him a question which the facilitator cannot hear.
Ben
MarkA
If they had let her die 20 years ago, she would not have been able to
culture up all kinds of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Anybody with that
profound level of mental depression loses many of the mechanisms the body
uses to prevent bacterial colonization in the bladder and the lungs,
resulting in frequent infections. These infections get treated with
multiple rounds of antibiotics, which accelerates the rate of emergence of
resistant strains. In a very real sense, keeping Schiavo alive endangered
the lives of everyone else.
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
IAAH
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:11:10 -0500, IAAH <n...@email.exist> in
> alt.abortion with message-id <hefpte$qij$2...@news.eternal-september.org>
> wrote:
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>> If only "facilitated communication" weren't an utter bunch of shit, who
>> knows?
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> questions and the 'facilitator' doesn't know the answers.
And it would be so easy to find out. Send the
therapist out of the room, tell the guy that the
next word typed should be "bacon" or "apotheosis"
or " xylophone" and then see what happens.
haiku jones
> On 11/25/09 4:30 PM, * Attila < wrote:
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> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:11:10 -0500, IAAH <n...@email.exist> in
> > wrote:
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> >> If only "facilitated communication" weren't an utter bunch of shit, who
> >> knows?
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> > Exactly. I understand it doesn't work well when the patient is asked
> > questions and the 'facilitator' doesn't know the answers.
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> And it would be so easy to find out. Send the
> therapist out of the room, tell the guy that the
> next word typed should be "bacon" or "apotheosis"
> or " xylophone" and then see what happens.
Someone -- I believe it was on PZ Myers' site --
noted that neither patient nor facilitator
speaks English, and suggested replacing
the facilitator with one who speaks only English.
If the input is coming from the patient, that
shouldn't make any difference. But if
the messages start coming in English, well...
Haiku Jones
WangoTango
Boy you sure got quiet on this one.
Especially since it looks like a hoax.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34212528/ns/health-mental_health//
I REALLY like the part where they admit to NONE of the facilitators
passing their simple test.