Scoutmaster Pleads Guilty to Homosexual Crimes
J
for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the boys?
http://www.pe.com/localnews/corona/stories/PE_News_Local_C_ccurtis09.41dc7af.html
Scoutmaster Pleads Guilty to Homosexual Crimes
A former director of the Corona library pleaded guilty this week to two
counts of child rape that occurred during his work as an assistant
Scoutmaster and librarian in the state of Massachusetts. Howard W. Curtis,
who headed Corona's library for almost a decade, was sentenced to serve two
concurrent prison sentences of four to six years for molesting the boy, who
was 11 or 12 at the time, during Boy Scout camping trips and at the library
where the two worked more than 20 years ago. After the charges were brought
against Curtis, two more men came forward claiming they were sexual-abuse
victims of Curtis, said lawyers in the criminal and civil cases.
--
J
Jvis...@live.com
"How many human lives have you saved from death! Continue along this path
and do not be afraid, so that the smile of life may triumph on the lips of
all children and their mothers".
- His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
John Baker
So I guess you won't be needing that uniform anymore, eh, IBen?
Andrew McGee
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:46:36 -0400, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
> So I guess you won't be needing that uniform anymore, eh, IBen?
shouldn't this heading be 'Scoutmaster pleads guilty to child sexual
offences'?
If the child parties had been female, would the OP have posted it as
'Scoutmaster pleads guilty to Heterosexual crimes'?
Somehow I doubt it.
John Baker
Under those circumstances, I doubt he'd have had anything to say about
it at all.
>
MarkA
> How can any person with a shred of decency or common sense condemn the BSA
> for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the boys?
>
Sounds like the BSA has a lot in common with the RCC. I try to keep my
kids away from both.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Mark K. Bilbo
> How can any person with a shred of decency<SNIP>
Know something that cracks me up?
That you think you're getting away with this "decency" posturing.
That really cracks me up.
thylacole...@clearwire.net
controlled by the Mormon and Catholic churches.
hal lillywhite
MarkA wrote:
> > How can any person with a shred of decency or common sense condemn the BSA
> > for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the boys?
> Sounds like the BSA has a lot in common with the RCC. I try to keep my
> kids away from both.
Notice that the abuse occured over 20 years ago. There was a time
when little attention was paid to child abuse, in the BSA and most
anywhere else. Thankfully those days are past.
The BSA has since greatly improved its prevention measures. Today
there must be two adults on every outing and adults are required to
sleep in separate tents, not shower with the youth etc. As a merit
badge councilor if I am working with a scout he must bring a buddy who
must be present during the entire session. Should a scout show up to
work on a badgw witout a buddy I don't even let him in my house, I
send him home. The boys are told that and told that if someone
violates the policy they must report it and not stay in that
situation.
NAMBLA apparently used to tell its members to get involved in scouting
to have easy access to boys. The BSA learned of that and took
preventative measures.
Of course no program is perfect, but if a boy follows the guidlines,
there is little chance he will be abused on a scout activity.
Mark K. Bilbo
> Ever wonder why the BSA is a magnet for pedophiles? The BSA is
> controlled by the Mormon and Catholic churches.
So you're saying what's really going on is they don't wanna share...
Bill Shatzer
Or not, as the case may be.
http://archive.recordonline.com/archive/2006/05/20/news-hyscout-05-20.html
http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_152221933.html
Peace and justice,
MTD
> Or not, as the case may be.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
MarkA
Sounds like a very sensible policy. As such, it certainly reduces much of
the fear that a pedophile scoutmaster, regardless of gender orientation,
will be able to abuse one of the scouts.
So why the continued hostility toward homosexuals and atheists?
Presumably, it is because the Mormon Church is the single largest sponsor
of BSA activities, and they have told the home office that if they soften
their stance on gays and atheists, they will withdraw their support. I
have no desire to dance to the tune the Mormons are playing, hence, my
complete lack of support towards the BSA.
Lobby Dosser
> So why the continued hostility toward homosexuals and atheists?
> Presumably, it is because the Mormon Church is the single largest sponsor
> of BSA activities, and they have told the home office that if they soften
> their stance on gays and atheists, they will withdraw their support. I
> have no desire to dance to the tune the Mormons are playing, hence, my
> complete lack of support towards the BSA.
>
>
I'm sure they'll be just devastated by that news.
lein
Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
many disadvantaged kids?
Ray Fischer
>How can any person with a shred of decency or common sense condemn the BSA
>for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the boys?
How can anyone NOT condemn the Catholic church for continuing to
shelter and enable child molesters?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
lein
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:46:36 -0400, J wrote:
> > How can any person with a shred of decency or common sense condemn the BSA
> > for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the boys?
>
> Sounds like the BSA has a lot in common with the RCC. I try to keep my
> kids away from both.
or your local public school, I guess this one leaked out before our
beloved public employees were able to shuffle him off to another
district.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/05/mount_angel_pe_teacher_arrest.html
Mount Angel P.E. teacher arrest for sex abuse, misconduct
John Baker
Sure, if they're straight and Christian. Otherwise, they're SOL.
MarkA
Because there are other organizations that uplift many disadvantaged kids
that do not discriminate against atheists and homosexuals.
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
MarkA
They'll get over it. As long as the Mormons have lots of sheep to
fleece, and are willing to spend some of it to buy influence in the BSA,
they'll be OK without me.
SeahawkFan
"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.05.14....@nowhere.com...
My son is a member with the BSA, as I was when growing up.
I have NEVER seen in our division, the BSA discriminate against anyone.
Nor have I EVER seen them ask anyone what their religion is or their sexual
agenda.
The scouts has provided my son with MANY opportunities to learn great
things, such as team work, outdoor skills, helping others, and school work.
Point is, the Scouts is a wonderful organization.
if you don't like it, don't join.
I like the scouts and I'm proud to be associated with them and happy to see
the many great things they teach kids and do with the kids.
james g. keegan jr.
news:JeKdnUubh7aXkLbV...@comcast.com:
[...]
> Point is, the Scouts is a wonderful organization.
are you including all of the pedophilia and rapes perpetuated by the
organization or were you referring only to the racism, bigotry and hatred
espoused by the organization's actions?
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
<noneedtok...@mail.com>
in<v4qdndNQW_fFAMXanZ2dnUVZ_sOrn...@comcast.com>
Hatter
>
So the youth outreach activities of the KKK makes them something
everyone should support? Because that's the reasoning you are using.
Hatter
lein
And they don't allow girls to join either, yet you never seem to make
any noise about that, hmmm...
SeahawkFan
"Hatter" <Hatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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*everyone should support? Because that's the reasoning you are using.
Fact: You can look at almost ANY organization, left wing, right wing,
middle, liberal, necon, socialist, etc...
and you're going to find some corruption somewhere in those organizations.
No organization that I can think of is without corruption, scandal, and
those who take things upon themselves and make the whole organization look
bad. Organizations like Pita, GreenPeace, and yes, even the BSA is not
without something that is embarrassing. Does that mean we shoot down the
whole organization? Of course not, the best we can hope for is to weed out
the undesirables.
The problem in this newsgroup is many of you are just cherry picking, and
it's out of desperation primarily, and forgetting the facts are just what I
stated above.
So unless your own backyard is without corruption, scandal, etc... keep in
mind, the mud your slinging can easily come back on you.
As I said, I am a member of the BSA and in my local district, Del-mar-va
pack 277, I have NEVER seen discrimination, bigotry, racism, etc...
If anything, I have found a district and a pack that is open and very
positive for the boys. We just took a very nice camping trip a few weeks
ago, not once did I see anyone or hear anyone ask another if they believe in
God or what their sexual preference was. Instead, we hiked, fished, roasted
marshmelllows, put up our tents, told stories, and had a great time.
lein
You too forgot to mention that the boy scouts don't allow girls to
join.
So how come BSA protesters like yourself don't simply form your own
scouting organization that allows whoever you like? It's really not
that difficult.
Don Homuth
<boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On May 14, 2:48 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:54 -0700 (PDT), lein
>>
>> >Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
>> >many disadvantaged kids?
>>
>> Sure, if they're straight and Christian. Otherwise, they're SOL.
>
>And they don't allow girls to join either, yet you never seem to make
>any noise about that, hmmm...
Is that a Big Deal to you, lein?
But once again, you and the others continue to miss the Real point of
the discussion. It's about Money.
The BSA, being a private organization and all, may discriminate as it
wishes. But no Public Entity is under any obligation to fund it, and
in some states such public entities May Not fund it.
If the BSA can get by on private money, it may continue to do as it
has done. Which seems quite reasonable.
lein
> "SeahawkFan" <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:JeKdnUubh7aXkLbV...@comcast.com:
>
> [...]
>
> > Point is, the Scouts is a wonderful organization.
>
> are you including all of the pedophilia and rapes perpetuated by the
> organization or were you referring only to the racism, bigotry and hatred
> espoused by the organization's actions?
Organizations like public education?
lein
Lets throw a bit more hyperbole out there, okay Mr. Nambla?
james g. keegan jr.
news:d8a8ba3f-5407-43fa...@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
the word "Scout" confused you, didn't it?
SeahawkFan
"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Don't forget Greenpeace and PITA
james g. keegan jr.
news:6KmdnbHtVpV_hLbV...@comcast.com:
[...]
> The problem in this newsgroup is many of you are just cherry picking,
> and it's out of desperation primarily, and forgetting the facts are just
> what I stated above.
when you post the word "facts," are you referring to your blatant and
malicious lies shown in my .sig or any of the other hundreds of blatant and
malicious lies you have posted?
james g. keegan jr.
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interesting to see you fall back into blatantly lying and misrepresenting as
soon as you're confronted with a concept you can't handle, liar heishman. no
wonder the state of delaware department of corrections banned you from
continuing to humiliate them by posting from their news servers.
Martin
> You too forgot to mention that the boy scouts don't allow girls to
> join.
That's not true!
In the UK girls can join the scouts if they want to.
The real, and most important question is "Would Baden Powell be allowed
to be a scout master in the US?"
Why or why not?
hal lillywhite
Bill Shatzer wrote:
> > Of course no program is perfect, but if a boy follows the guidlines,
> > there is little chance he will be abused on a scout activity.
> Or not, as the case may be.
> http://archive.recordonline.com/archive/2006/05/20/news-hyscout-05-20.html
> http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_152221933.html
Notice that I said "little chance," not "no chance." Sadly perfection
seems beyond human atainment. However with the current procedures
scouting has in place I believe a boy is safer from abuse in a scout
troop than in most other organizations. If you add in concerned
parents who make sure their son knows and follows the rules and
doesn't have other unsupervised visits with scout leaders he is even
safer.
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> You too forgot to mention that the boy scouts don't allow girls to
> join.
Actually, "Venturing" (formerly Explorer Scouting) is open to both sexes.
Peace and justice,
Jon Deer
> Peace and justice,
lein
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
lein
How about the general BSA skippy?
MarkA
>
> As I said, I am a member of the BSA and in my local district, Del-mar-va
> pack 277, I have NEVER seen discrimination, bigotry, racism, etc...
> If anything, I have found a district and a pack that is open and very
> positive for the boys. We just took a very nice camping trip a few weeks
> ago, not once did I see anyone or hear anyone ask another if they believe in
> God or what their sexual preference was. Instead, we hiked, fished, roasted
> marshmelllows, put up our tents, told stories, and had a great time.
It is all well and good that individual packs are populated with good
people. I'm sure that is the rule, not the exception. However, that does
not change the fact that the central leadership of the BSA is beholden to
the Mormon Church, or that the BSA, unlike other Scouting organizations
around the world, continue to discriminate against homosexuals, or that
Darrell Lambert, an Eagle Scout, was expelled for refusing to falsely
declare belief in a Supreme Being.
I'm all in favor of hiking, fishing, and the like, but you can
do that without supporting the tacit fascism of the BSA.
--
MarkA
(This space temporarily unavailable)
MarkA
>> > Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
>> > many disadvantaged kids?
>>
>> Because there are other organizations that uplift many disadvantaged kids
>> that do not discriminate against atheists and homosexuals.
>
> You too forgot to mention that the boy scouts don't allow girls to
> join.
>
> So how come BSA protesters like yourself don't simply form your own
> scouting organization that allows whoever you like? It's really not
> that difficult.
Such organizations already exist. Furthermore, I have no quarrel with the
BSA pursuing whatever policies they like, as long as they don't expect the
financial support of the government, or other publicly-funded institutions.
My only objection to the BSA is that they present themselves as a shining
example of what boys should learn as they grow up. I don't agree that
intolerance towards homosexuals and atheists should be among those values.
SeahawkFan
>
>>
>> As I said, I am a member of the BSA and in my local district, Del-mar-va
>> pack 277, I have NEVER seen discrimination, bigotry, racism, etc...
>> If anything, I have found a district and a pack that is open and very
>> positive for the boys. We just took a very nice camping trip a few weeks
>> ago, not once did I see anyone or hear anyone ask another if they believe
>> in
>> God or what their sexual preference was. Instead, we hiked, fished,
>> roasted
>> marshmelllows, put up our tents, told stories, and had a great time.
>
> It is all well and good that individual packs are populated with good
> people. I'm sure that is the rule, not the exception. However, that does
> not change the fact that the central leadership of the BSA is beholden to
> the Mormon Church, or that the BSA, unlike other Scouting organizations
> around the world, continue to discriminate against homosexuals, or that
> Darrell Lambert, an Eagle Scout, was expelled for refusing to falsely
> declare belief in a Supreme Being.
First:
Darrell Lambert was fully aware of the requirements for membership.
I don't feel sorry for him, he took that risk and the BSA expelled him.
Second:
You can't find any organizations that don't have some sort of a fault. All
you guys are doing
is just cherry picking.
>
> I'm all in favor of hiking, fishing, and the like, but you can
> do that without supporting the tacit fascism of the BSA.
Then do it, who cares?
I like the BSA and that's that.
MarkA
>>> Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
>>> many disadvantaged kids?
>>
>> Because there are other organizations that uplift many disadvantaged kids
>> that do not discriminate against atheists and homosexuals.
>
> My son is a member with the BSA, as I was when growing up.
> I have NEVER seen in our division, the BSA discriminate against anyone.
> Nor have I EVER seen them ask anyone what their religion is or their sexual
> agenda.
> The scouts has provided my son with MANY opportunities to learn great
> things, such as team work, outdoor skills, helping others, and school work.
>
> Point is, the Scouts is a wonderful organization.
>
> if you don't like it, don't join.
>
> I like the scouts and I'm proud to be associated with them and happy to see
> the many great things they teach kids and do with the kids.
If you can tolerate the gross injustices they actively perpetrate because
they are otherwise doing good things, well...
...it reminds me of that saying:
"First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out..."
Don Homuth
Why do that? It's not, you know.
james g. keegan jr.
news:b8ydnSeQDbro1rbV...@comcast.com:
> I like the BSA and that's that.
well of course *you* do. but you ran away from my question on why. here it is
again:
"are you including all of the pedophilia and rapes perpetuated by the
organization or were you referring only to the racism, bigotry and hatred
espoused by the organization's actions?"
i think you'll run away again.
lein
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
They use public accommodations do they not?
SeahawkFan
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:02:17 -0400, SeahawkFan wrote:
>
>
>>>> Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
>>>> many disadvantaged kids?
>>>
>>> Because there are other organizations that uplift many disadvantaged
>>> kids
>>> that do not discriminate against atheists and homosexuals.
>>
>> My son is a member with the BSA, as I was when growing up.
>> I have NEVER seen in our division, the BSA discriminate against anyone.
>> Nor have I EVER seen them ask anyone what their religion is or their
>> sexual
>> agenda.
>> The scouts has provided my son with MANY opportunities to learn great
>> things, such as team work, outdoor skills, helping others, and school
>> work.
>>
>> Point is, the Scouts is a wonderful organization.
>>
>> if you don't like it, don't join.
>>
>> I like the scouts and I'm proud to be associated with them and happy to
>> see
>> the many great things they teach kids and do with the kids.
>
> If you can tolerate the gross injustices they actively perpetrate because
> they are otherwise doing good things, well...
I have YET to ever see an injustice while I have been associated with the
organization.
I do however, unlike some, know their requirements and I abide by them as
anyone would with ANY organization they were a part of and respected.
It's all about respecting the organization, and some people don't respect
it, as the individual who said he didn't believe in God when he became an
Eagle Scout.
He knew the requirements of the organization, he could have simply just
dropped out instead of "DISRESPECTING" the organization and everyone else
who is a member of the organization. He was expelled, as he should have
been.
Don Homuth
No caucus incongruous is illegal, nor could one be declared illegal.
You are So concerned about trifles.
james g. keegan jr.
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> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.14...@nowhere.com...
>> If you can tolerate the gross injustices they actively perpetrate because
>> they are otherwise doing good things, well...
>
> I have YET to ever see an injustice while I have been associated with the
> organization.
like you didn't *see* injustices when you were a prison guard, right?
on a related question, you think your lies described in my .sig are an
injustice? do you think any the hundreds of other malicious lies you have
posted were unjust?
lein
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:58:19 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
>
>
> >On May 14, 1:38 pm, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
> >> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 14, 9:59 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> >> The BSA, being a private organization and all, may discriminate as it
> >> >> wishes. But no Public Entity is under any obligation to fund it, and
> >> >> in some states such public entities May Not fund it.
>
> >> >> If the BSA can get by on private money, it may continue to do as it
> >> >> has done. Which seems quite reasonable.
>
> >> >Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
>
> >> Why do that? It's not, you know.
>
> >They use public accommodations do they not?
>
> No caucus incongruous is illegal, nor could one be declared illegal.
So long as they can get by on private money, else no Public Entity is
under any obligation to fund it and in some states such public
entities May Not fund it.
>
> You are So concerned about trifles.
Your the one obsessed with the boy scouts, not me.
Seahawk-Fan
That's what I was basically trying to say earlier, they are just
cherry picking.
Pick one of their organizations they approve of, do some research,
find a few scandals and other shady problems and they will run like
stuck pigs.
Don Homuth
Hardly. But you Might have noticed that the Congressional Black
Caucus is not a Private Entity en passant.
But I'd surmise probably not.
Don Homuth
http://gop.cha.house.gov/services/memberhandbook.htm#160
The CBC is one of a number of Congressional Membership Organizations
(CMOs) organized pursuant to the rules of the House. The cite for the
membership handbook is above. Your Deep Personal Concern about the
use of Public Funds for the CBC isn't based on anything Real, it would
seem. That's just your usual sort of Adamant Ignorance talking.
Again.
Specifically on CMOs, the discussion reads:
Congressional Member Organizations
General
Members of Congress may form a Congressional Member Organization (CMO)
in order to pursue common legislative objectives.
Registration
Each Congress, CMOs must register with the Committee on House
Administration.
CMOs must provide the following information:
1. Name
2. Statement of Purpose
3. Officers of the CMO
4. Employee designated to work on issues related to the CMO
Membership
Members of both the House and Senate may participate in CMO, but at
least one of the Officers of the CMO must be a Member of the House.
The participation of Senators in a CMO does not impact the scope of
authorized CMO activities in any regard.
Funding and Resources
CMOs have no separate corporate or legal identity. A CMO is not an
employing authority. The MRA may not directly support a CMO as an
independent entity. A CMO may not be assigned separate office space.
Neither CMOs nor individual Members may accept goods, funds, or
services from private organizations or individuals to support the CMO.
Members may use personal funds to support the CMO.
A Member of a CMO, in support of the objectives of that CMO, may
utilize employees (including shared employees) and official resources
under the control of the Member to assist the CMO in carrying out its
legislative objectives, but no employees may be appointed in the name
of a CMO.
Communications
CMOs may not use the Frank, nor may a Member lend his or her Frank to
a CMO.
A Member may use official resources for communications related to the
purpose of a CMO. Any such communications must comply with the
Franking Regulations.
Members may devote a section of their official Web site to CMO issues,
but CMOs may not have independent Web pages.
A Member may use inside mail to communicate information related to a
CMO.
Members may prepare material related to CMO issues for dissemination.
Official funds may not be used to print or pay for stationery for the
CMO.
Members may refer to their membership in a CMO on their official
stationery.
lein
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 15:35:22 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
lein
There would be no issue if they simply put their energies towards
forming their own scouting organization where they are free to run as
they wish.
james g. keegan jr.
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[...]
> Pick one of their organizations they approve of, do some research,
> find a few scandals and other shady problems and they will run like
> stuck pigs.
and liar heishman demonstrates yet another reason why he is a sleazeball.
rather than challenge or correct a crime, or a wrong, liar heishman would
rather find someone else who committed the same deed.
and he claims to be in law enforcement.
SeahawkFan
Exactly! I have said that many times myself; however, they seem to be more
content bashing other organizations.
lein
> Seahawk-Fan <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:ec039339-ee42-4062...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> [...]
>
> > Pick one of their organizations they approve of, do some research,
> > find a few scandals and other shady problems and they will run like
> > stuck pigs.
>
> and liar heishman demonstrates yet another reason why he is a sleazeball.
> rather than challenge or correct a crime, or a wrong, liar heishman would
> rather find someone else who committed the same deed.
>
> and he claims to be in law enforcement.
Well, it's probably more credible than Don's claim that he was a fire
fighter.
SeahawkFan
The BSA is not doing anything illegal.
Some of those who were in the BSA tried to deceive and dishonor the
organization, and therefore they were expelled as they should have been.
The BSA makes it very clear what they require and look for. One of the
things I admire the most about the BSA is the fact they try to enforce and
instill
morals into young boys, so they can grow up to be honorable, honest, and
hard working men.
I'd much rather see a young boy do something positive in the scouts than to
sit on a stoop in some poor area of a city and learn how to be a criminal.
Free Lunch
<deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:25fdf1cc-e454-4368...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 14, 5:29 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Seahawk-Fan <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> innews:ec039339-ee42-4062...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> > Pick one of their organizations they approve of, do some research,
>>> > find a few scandals and other shady problems and they will run like
>>> > stuck pigs.
>>>
>>> and liar heishman demonstrates yet another reason why he is a sleazeball.
>>> rather than challenge or correct a crime, or a wrong, liar heishman would
>>> rather find someone else who committed the same deed.
>>>
>>> and he claims to be in law enforcement.
>>
>> Well, it's probably more credible than Don's claim that he was a fire
>> fighter.
>
>The BSA is not doing anything illegal.
Just immoral.
>Some of those who were in the BSA tried to deceive and dishonor the
>organization, and therefore they were expelled as they should have been.
Yes, it's sad when people lie to the BSA to avoid its discriminatory
policies.
>The BSA makes it very clear what they require and look for. One of the
>things I admire the most about the BSA is the fact they try to enforce and
>instill morals into young boys, so they can grow up to be honorable, honest,
>and hard working men.
They teach bigotry, discrimination and self-righteousness. That's
immorality in my book. You must believe in some other vile form of
morality.
>I'd much rather see a young boy do something positive in the scouts than to
>sit on a stoop in some poor area of a city and learn how to be a criminal.
The BSA is inherently bigoted. It discriminates against those who do not
believe in gods and it discriminates against those who are honest about
their homosexuality. It has allowed religious reactionaries to take
control of the national organization.
SeahawkFan
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:khdn2496qiqan0o0d...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:58:14 -0400, "SeahawkFan"
> <deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"lein" <boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>>news:25fdf1cc-e454-4368...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 14, 5:29 pm, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Seahawk-Fan <deseahawk...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> innews:ec039339-ee42-4062...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> > Pick one of their organizations they approve of, do some research,
>>>> > find a few scandals and other shady problems and they will run like
>>>> > stuck pigs.
>>>>
>>>> and liar heishman demonstrates yet another reason why he is a
>>>> sleazeball.
>>>> rather than challenge or correct a crime, or a wrong, liar heishman
>>>> would
>>>> rather find someone else who committed the same deed.
>>>>
>>>> and he claims to be in law enforcement.
>>>
>>> Well, it's probably more credible than Don's claim that he was a fire
>>> fighter.
>>
>>The BSA is not doing anything illegal.
>
> Just immoral.
Oh please, an atheist talking about morals???
The BSA is all about teaching morals.
Honesty
Respect
Hard Work
People know that they want people who have a faith in God.
If you don't have a faith in God, then don't join..it's as simple as that.
Go form your own organization.
>
>>Some of those who were in the BSA tried to deceive and dishonor the
>>organization, and therefore they were expelled as they should have been.
>
> Yes, it's sad when people lie to the BSA to avoid its discriminatory
> policies.
How many white people do you see on the board with the NAACP?
Are you attacking them?
How many men do you see working at a Hooters?
Do you attack that organization?
>
>>The BSA makes it very clear what they require and look for. One of the
>>things I admire the most about the BSA is the fact they try to enforce and
>>instill morals into young boys, so they can grow up to be honorable,
>>honest,
>>and hard working men.
>
> They teach bigotry,
Wrong
> discrimination
Wrong again.
>and self-righteousness.
Three strikes, you're out.
I've been with the organization for over 30 years, and not ONCE have I ever
seen them teach any of those things.
That's
> immorality in my book. You must believe in some other vile form of
> morality.
>
>>I'd much rather see a young boy do something positive in the scouts than
>>to
>>sit on a stoop in some poor area of a city and learn how to be a criminal.
>
> The BSA is inherently bigoted.
Go form your own organization and stop your whining.
It discriminates against those who do not
> believe in gods
Does the NAACP allow KKK members?
Are you attacking them?
and it discriminates against those who are honest about
> their homosexuality.
They know the requirements of the organization, like you..they can't respect
an organization unless that organization is willing to change just for you
(them)
Ray Fischer
Ray Fischer
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:54 -0700, lein wrote:
>>
>>> On May 13, 1:25 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 08:59:00 -0700, hal lillywhite wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > MarkA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> > How can any person with a shred of decency or common sense condemn
>>>> >> > the BSA
>>>> >> > for their continuing battle to keep these predators away from the
>>>> >> > boys?
>>>>
>>>> >> Sounds like the BSA has a lot in common with the RCC. I try to keep
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> kids away from both.
>>>>
>>>> > Notice that the abuse occured over 20 years ago. There was a time
>>>> > when little attention was paid to child abuse, in the BSA and most
>>>> > anywhere else. Thankfully those days are past.
>>>>
>>>> > The BSA has since greatly improved its prevention measures. Today
>>>> > there must be two adults on every outing and adults are required to
>>>> > sleep in separate tents, not shower with the youth etc. As a merit
>>>> > badge councilor if I am working with a scout he must bring a buddy who
>>>> > must be present during the entire session. Should a scout show up to
>>>> > work on a badgw witout a buddy I don't even let him in my house, I
>>>> > send him home. The boys are told that and told that if someone
>>>> > violates the policy they must report it and not stay in that
>>>> > situation.
>>>>
>>>> > NAMBLA apparently used to tell its members to get involved in scouting
>>>> > to have easy access to boys. The BSA learned of that and took
>>>> > preventative measures.
>>>>
>>>> > Of course no program is perfect, but if a boy follows the guidlines,
>>>> > there is little chance he will be abused on a scout activity.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a very sensible policy. As such, it certainly reduces much
>>>> of
>>>> the fear that a pedophile scoutmaster, regardless of gender orientation,
>>>> will be able to abuse one of the scouts.
>>>>
>>>> So why the continued hostility toward homosexuals and atheists?
>>>> Presumably, it is because the Mormon Church is the single largest
>>>> sponsor
>>>> of BSA activities, and they have told the home office that if they
>>>> soften
>>>> their stance on gays and atheists, they will withdraw their support. I
>>>> have no desire to dance to the tune the Mormons are playing, hence, my
>>>> complete lack of support towards the BSA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why your continued hostility towards and organization that uplifts
>>> many disadvantaged kids?
>>
>> Because there are other organizations that uplift many disadvantaged kids
>> that do not discriminate against atheists and homosexuals.
>
>My son is a member with the BSA, as I was when growing up.
>I have NEVER seen in our division, the BSA discriminate against anyone.
Because you see what you want to see.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Free Lunch
How does teaching bigotry teach respect?
>Hard Work
>
>People know that they want people who have a faith in God.
>If you don't have a faith in God, then don't join..it's as simple as that.
>Go form your own organization.
Fine, but I don't have to respect an organization that discriminates
against some children because they don't believe in any gods.
>>>Some of those who were in the BSA tried to deceive and dishonor the
>>>organization, and therefore they were expelled as they should have been.
>>
>> Yes, it's sad when people lie to the BSA to avoid its discriminatory
>> policies.
>
>How many white people do you see on the board with the NAACP?
The NAACP does not discriminate against whites.
>Are you attacking them?
Your bogus comparison should explain to you exactly why I don't.
>How many men do you see working at a Hooters?
Many, behind the scenes.
>Do you attack that organization?
Of course. Maybe the dirty old men who run the BSA like it, I don't.
>>>The BSA makes it very clear what they require and look for. One of the
>>>things I admire the most about the BSA is the fact they try to enforce and
>>>instill morals into young boys, so they can grow up to be honorable,
>>>honest,
>>>and hard working men.
>>
>> They teach bigotry,
>
>Wrong
>
>> discrimination
>
>Wrong again.
>
> >and self-righteousness.
>
>Three strikes, you're out.
>I've been with the organization for over 30 years, and not ONCE have I ever
>seen them teach any of those things.
Sure you have. The organization has a list of people who aren't good
enough for them.
> That's
>> immorality in my book. You must believe in some other vile form of
>> morality.
>>
>>>I'd much rather see a young boy do something positive in the scouts than
>>>to
>>>sit on a stoop in some poor area of a city and learn how to be a criminal.
>>
>> The BSA is inherently bigoted.
>
>Go form your own organization and stop your whining.
Just don't ask for any tax money for your bigots.
> It discriminates against those who do not
>> believe in gods
>
>Does the NAACP allow KKK members?
>Are you attacking them?
Keep your racism out of it. The BSA never claimed to be religious until
they were told to get rid of their bigotry.
> and it discriminates against those who are honest about
>> their homosexuality.
>
>They know the requirements of the organization, like you..they can't respect
>an organization unless that organization is willing to change just for you
>(them)
No, I cannot respect the BSA, though there are many leaders and members
I respect. The BSA as an organization has tried for years to play both
sides, both as a religious organization and also claiming to be a
secular organization that is qualified to get subsidized by the
government. They're just another religion organization. That is what
they finally admitted, the hypocrites.
SeahawkFan
Teaching kids how to tie a knot is teaching bigotry?
Teaching kids science projects is teaching bigotry?
Teaching kids to respect adults is teaching bigotry?
Teaching kids to stay physically fit is teaching bigotry?
You sure got a warped head if you think that's teaching bigotry.
>
>>Hard Work
>>
>>People know that they want people who have a faith in God.
>>If you don't have a faith in God, then don't join..it's as simple as that.
>>Go form your own organization.
>
> Fine, but I don't have to respect an organization that discriminates
> against some children because they don't believe in any gods.
I don't respect you because you can't respect others.
>
>>>>Some of those who were in the BSA tried to deceive and dishonor the
>>>>organization, and therefore they were expelled as they should have been.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's sad when people lie to the BSA to avoid its discriminatory
>>> policies.
>>
>>How many white people do you see on the board with the NAACP?
>
> The NAACP does not discriminate against whites.
Answer my question please.
>
>>Are you attacking them?
>
> Your bogus comparison should explain to you exactly why I don't.
You can't answer the question can you?
>
>>How many men do you see working at a Hooters?
>
> Many, behind the scenes.
Wrong, if a male applied to be a waiter at Hooters, would he get the job?
Answer: No, because he is a man and doesn't have "hooters".
>>Do you attack that organization?
>
> Of course.
That's a lie, I have yet to see you attack them. The list goes on with
other organizations.
Tell you what, give us a list of the organizations you support and let me do
some background checks.
>Maybe the dirty old men who run the BSA like it, I don't.
That's odd, the BSA is full of young men AND women who work with the
organization.
You are speaking about something you know little to nothing about.
>
>>>>The BSA makes it very clear what they require and look for. One of the
>>>>things I admire the most about the BSA is the fact they try to enforce
>>>>and
>>>>instill morals into young boys, so they can grow up to be honorable,
>>>>honest,
>>>>and hard working men.
>>>
>>> They teach bigotry,
>>
>>Wrong
>>
>>> discrimination
>>
>>Wrong again.
>>
>> >and self-righteousness.
>>
>>Three strikes, you're out.
>>I've been with the organization for over 30 years, and not ONCE have I
>>ever
>>seen them teach any of those things.
>
> Sure you have.
Really? Care to tell me when in the 30 years you observed me seeing any of
this?
The organization has a list of people who aren't good
> enough for them.
Like MANY organizations they have their rules, and if you can't follow their
rules don't join.
Simple as that.
>
>> That's
>>> immorality in my book. You must believe in some other vile form of
>>> morality.
>>>
>>>>I'd much rather see a young boy do something positive in the scouts than
>>>>to
>>>>sit on a stoop in some poor area of a city and learn how to be a
>>>>criminal.
>>>
>>> The BSA is inherently bigoted.
>>
>>Go form your own organization and stop your whining.
>
> Just don't ask for any tax money for your bigots.
The only bigot here is you.
>
>> It discriminates against those who do not
>>> believe in gods
>>
>>Does the NAACP allow KKK members?
>>Are you attacking them?
>
> Keep your racism out of it.
Ah, my question stings you deeply.
The BSA never claimed to be religious until
> they were told to get rid of their bigotry.
Why did my question about the NAACP hurt you?
Because you know I'm right.
>
>> and it discriminates against those who are honest about
>>> their homosexuality.
>>
>>They know the requirements of the organization, like you..they can't
>>respect
>>an organization unless that organization is willing to change just for you
>>(them)
>
> No, I cannot respect the BSA,
And you can not be respected.
Now stop crying about it.
DanielSan
Teaching kids that homosexuality is wrong is teaching bigotry.
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Hatter
yes but they are not 501c3, nor do they get federal grants. The BSA is
a differering matter.
Hatter
SeahawkFan
"DanielSan" <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fMOdndRwN6UitLHV...@comcast.com...
I have NEVER witnessed the BSA talking about homosexuality, and even if
they did say it was wrong that's their right to say so.
If you don't like it, don't join. It's no different than a lot of you
"liberals" bashing people who are "republican", which is something YOU do.
Moral of the story: Make sure your own backyard is clean before you tell
someone else about theirs.
Your backyard is filthy.
DanielSan
If they were 100% private, yes.
> If you don't like it, don't join.
And I don't want my money going to an organization like that.
<snip irrelevancies>
Hatter
> On May 14, 9:35 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So the youth outreach activities of the KKK makes them something
> > everyone should support? Because that's the reasoning you are using.
>
> Lets throw a bit more hyperbole out there, okay Mr. Nambla?- Hide quoted text -
>
So because I show a fault in your reasoning, I am a child molester.
Your lack of reason is, once again, showing.
Hatter
SeahawkFan
Don't donate, who asked you?
>
>> If you don't like it, don't join.
>
> And I don't want my money going to an organization like that.
Don't donate, now stop your crying and do something else productive.
We have done fine all these years without you, we will continue to do fine
without you.
We have a very nice camping trip coming up and tonight we work on a model
volcano with the kids, without you..:o)
It's better not having people like you in the organization, we can actually
teach the kids something positive in life.
Don Homuth
<boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
They were not allowed to join. There is no requirement in the
Members' Handbook that they be allowed to join.
DanielSan
My money is forcefully going to the organization when they use federal
funds.
DanielSan
Or, to be more precise, "My money is forcefully going to the
organization when they use PUBLIC funds."
My apologies for my lack of precision.
SeahawkFan
Wrong again, bigot.
Personally, I hate hypocrites...a bigot calling another organization
bigoted.
Stop crying and fix your own problems, bigot.
SeahawkFan
You should be apologizing for your own bigotry.
lein
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
> >Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
>
> They were not allowed to join. There is no requirement in the
> Members' Handbook that they be allowed to join.
And why were they not allowed to join?
Don Homuth
Because the folks who formed the CBC didn't invite them to -- just
like every other organized CMO incongruous.
lein
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
Just like the Boy Scouts don't invite?
Don Homuth
As I have said previously, the BSA may discriminate on whatever basis
it chooses. It's a private entity, and if it doesn't wish to invite
someone, it need not do so. I've never said otherwise.
But likewise it has no Right to public money either.
This discussion is about Money first and foremost. Always was.
lein
It doesn't matter, they are using public funds and are excluding
membership based on race.
Now, justify why the Girl Scouts, a 501c3, can exclude boys?
lein
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
>
>
> >On May 15, 8:18 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
> >> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 15, 6:30 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
> >> >> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >> >Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
>
> >> >> They were not allowed to join. There is no requirement in the
> >> >> Members' Handbook that they be allowed to join.
>
> >> >And why were they not allowed to join?
>
> >> Because the folks who formed the CBC didn't invite them to -- just
> >> like every other organized CMO incongruous.
>
> >Just like the Boy Scouts don't invite?
>
> As I have said previously, the BSA may discriminate on whatever basis
> it chooses. It's a private entity, and if it doesn't wish to invite
> someone, it need not do so. I've never said otherwise.
>
> But likewise it has no Right to public money either.
>
> This discussion is about Money first and foremost. Always was.
So does the same apply to the Girl Scouts who exclude boys?
Don Homuth
Ask the local funding sources. They control the money.
Don Homuth
No -- they are Not using public funds. The CMOs do not receive an
appropriation from public funds. You've already been provided that
information previously. Is there some reason you choose to ignore it?
>... and are excluding
>membership based on race.
>
>Now, justify why the Girl Scouts, a 501c3, can exclude boys?
For the same reason the BSA, a 501(c)3 can exclude girls from part of
its program.
And that has Nothing to do with whether or not the BSA receives public
funding regardless.
SeahawkFan
Same reason girls organizations excludes boys.
Same reason organizations like the United Negro College Fund doesn't give
scholarships to whites.
We can go on further if you wish.
Don Homuth
<boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On May 15, 5:21 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 14, 4:58 pm, lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 14, 1:38 pm, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
>> > > >Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
>>
>> > > Why do that? It's not, you know.
>>
>> > They use public accommodations do they not?
>>
>> yes but they are not 501c3, nor do they get federal grants. The BSA is
>> a differering matter.
>>
>> Hatter
>
>It doesn't matter, they are using public funds and are excluding
>membership based on race.
* They are Not using public funds.
* Excluding membership on any grounds is Not forbidden or illegal.
http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/January/20070110151854HMnietsua0.3051264.html
...According to the House Committee on Administration, there were more
than 200 of these caucuses in the 109th Congress. These included
caucuses that promote an ethnic or cultural group interest, such as
the Congressional Black Caucus, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and
the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus. Other caucuses focus
on regional issues, with members drawn from representatives of that
region, regardless of party affiliation.
Other groups focus on very narrow topics: the Congressional Boating
Caucus is a bipartisan group of members concerned with issues that
affect the recreational marine industry, while the Congressional
Internet Caucus hosts briefings and workshops to teach members of
Congress about technology and Internet policy.
Many of these caucuses have a bipartisan membership drawn from both
the House and Senate. Only a few set specific qualifications for
membership. For example, only women can join the Congressional Caucus
on Women's Issues. The size of a caucus varies – some have more than
100 members, while others have only a handful of participants.
Caucuses are not publicly funded. In the past, some had collected dues
from their members that helped them operate and hire staff, but a 1995
law prohibited members from paying dues out of their office accounts,
a step that forced most caucuses to stop employing staff of their
owns. Today, many caucuses receive administrative support from
members' personal staffs. Other caucuses have recruited outside
partners to handle certain operations....
lein
> lein <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On May 14, 1:38 pm, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
> >> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 14, 9:59 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
> >> >> The BSA, being a private organization and all, may discriminate as it
> >> >> wishes. But no Public Entity is under any obligation to fund it, and
> >> >> in some states such public entities May Not fund it.
>
> >> >> If the BSA can get by on private money, it may continue to do as it
> >> >> has done. Which seems quite reasonable.
>
> >> >Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
>
> >> Why do that? It's not, you know.
>
> >They use public accommodations do they not?
>
> They don't.
Who pays to manage "house.gov"?
Don Homuth
<boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On May 14, 1:38 pm, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:05:26 -0700 (PDT), lein
>> >Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
>>
>> Why do that? It's not, you know.
>
>They use public accommodations do they not?
Here's a site for you to ponder, to give you an idea of the numerous
caucuses that a congresscritter can belong to. None of them receive
public money.
The guy's a Republican, fwiw:
http://calvert.house.gov/caucuses.asp
109th Congressional Caucuses
Co-Chaired Caucuses
Manufactured Housing Caucus (Co-Chair)
Generic Drug Equity Caucus
Caucus Membership
Beef Caucus
Boating Caucus
Canada Caucus
Coastal Caucus
Goods Movement Caucus
Hydrogen Caucus
International Conservation Caucus
Congressional Internet Caucus
Native American Caucus
Real Estate Caucus
Renewable Energy and Energy Efficiency Caucus
Specialty Crop Caucus
Sportsmen’s Caucus
Suburban Agenda
Western Caucus
Wine Caucus
Armenian Caucus
Baltic Caucus
Hellenic Caucus
Human Rights Caucus
India Caucus
International Anti-Piracy Caucus
Moroccan Caucus
Travel and Tourism Caucus
Zero Capital Gains Tax Caucus
Congressional Diabetes Caucus
Cong. Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus
Coalition on Autism Research and Education
2015 Caucus (House Cancer Caucus)
Fire Caucus
Medical Technology Caucus
Electronic Warfare Caucus
Modeling & Simulation Training Caucus
National Guard and Reserve Components Caucus
Navy-Marine Corps Caucus
Shipbuilding Caucus
Special Operations Forces Caucus
Meth Caucus
U.S. House Law Enforcement Caucus
STEM Caucus
Congressional Missing and Exploited Children Caucus
Immigration Reform Caucus
Congressional Border Caucus
Congressional Internet Caucus
Congressional Diabetes Caucus
Coalition on Autism Research and Education
2015 Caucus (House Cancer Caucus)
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Caucus
Congressional Alzheimer’s Taskforce
Heart and Stroke Coalition
Cystic Fibrosis Caucus
Do you require a list of All caucuses incongruous?
And obtw, the Freshman Caucus limits its membership only to Freshman
congresscritters.
See, inter alia, Tempest and Teapot for a further application.
Now -- what was your whine about again?
Don Homuth
How does that either apply or matter? The caucuses don't have their
own websites, and are forbidden to have them.
lein
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:33:31 -0700 (PDT), lein
>
I'm asking you, the guy who wants to be County Commissioner.
Don Homuth
Counties generally, and my county specifically, has no role in funding
either the Boy Scouts or the Girls Scouts. And since you wish to
place your question in that venue, that's the only appropriate answer.
No one is, however, excluding money from the Boy Scouts because they
exclude girls. Which does seem applicable.
james g. keegan jr.
news:hdydneR6sdL-37HV...@comcast.com:
>>> funds.
>>
>> Or, to be more precise, "My money is forcefully going to the
>> organization when they use PUBLIC funds."
>>
>> My apologies for my lack of precision.
>
> You should be apologizing for your own bigotry.
you're already admitted your suggestion of "bigotry" on "DanielSan"'s part
was false.
since you seem to have apologies on your mind, why don't you show readers
*your* apology for some of your more malicious lies?
you can use those described in my .sig or any of several hundred other lies.
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
<noneedtok...@mail.com>
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Don Homuth
<boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Then declare the Congressional Black Caucus illegal and move on.
We have previously discussed how a CMO does Not receive public money
and employs no staff, does not have a caucus website, does not have a
franking privilege, and the like.
Now then...
For a list (as complete as I can get, anyway) of all the nearly 200 or
so caucuses incongruous, go here:
http://cha.house.gov/member_orgs110th.aspx
Same observations apply. None of them get public money, have a staff,
or are even legal or corporate entities. They are merely groups of
congresscritters with similar interests who get together for their own
convenience.
Nothing else.
And None of them are illegal.
Moving on....
MarkA
>
> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.14....@nowhere.com...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:57:06 -0400, SeahawkFan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As I said, I am a member of the BSA and in my local district, Del-mar-va
>>> pack 277, I have NEVER seen discrimination, bigotry, racism, etc...
>>> If anything, I have found a district and a pack that is open and very
>>> positive for the boys. We just took a very nice camping trip a few weeks
>>> ago, not once did I see anyone or hear anyone ask another if they believe
>>> in
>>> God or what their sexual preference was. Instead, we hiked, fished,
>>> roasted
>>> marshmelllows, put up our tents, told stories, and had a great time.
>>
>> It is all well and good that individual packs are populated with good
>> people. I'm sure that is the rule, not the exception. However, that does
>> not change the fact that the central leadership of the BSA is beholden to
>> the Mormon Church, or that the BSA, unlike other Scouting organizations
>> around the world, continue to discriminate against homosexuals, or that
>> Darrell Lambert, an Eagle Scout, was expelled for refusing to falsely
>> declare belief in a Supreme Being.
>
> First:
> Darrell Lambert was fully aware of the requirements for membership.
> I don't feel sorry for him, he took that risk and the BSA expelled him.
>
What offends me is that the BSA is actively promoting the myth that one
cannot be moral and trustworthy unless one believes in a Supreme Being.
That the BSA puts so much importance on that myth that they will expel and
Eagle scout for refusing to lie about it is unconscionable.
>
> Second:
> You can't find any organizations that don't have some sort of a fault.
> All you guys are doing
> is just cherry picking.
>
That's the whole point. To the BSA, discrimination against homosexuals
and atheists isn't a fault at all, but a virtue. That is why I have no
respect for them.
>> I'm all in favor of hiking, fishing, and the like, but you can do that
>> without supporting the tacit fascism of the BSA.
>
> Then do it, who cares?
> I like the BSA and that's that.
>
I used to have respect for the BSA, and for Eagle Scouts. Not any more.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
MarkA
Do they still wear Brown Shirts? Just wondering...
MarkA
Teaching kids that you cannot be moral and trustworthy without believing
in God is, well, one reason why people are still killing each other all
around the world.
Free Lunch
<deseah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"DanielSan" <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fMOdndRwN6UitLHV...@comcast.com...
>I have NEVER witnessed the BSA talking about homosexuality, and even if
>they did say it was wrong that's their right to say so.
But they were also falsely claiming to be secular while selling their
religiosity. Adding bigotry against atheists and gays, we can add
dishonesty, a very, very popular undertaking by religionists. When did
the commandment get changed to "Thou shalt bear false witness?"
>If you don't like it, don't join. It's no different than a lot of you
>"liberals" bashing people who are "republican", which is something YOU do.
>
>Moral of the story: Make sure your own backyard is clean before you tell
>someone else about theirs.
>
>Your backyard is filthy.
I'll bet you make excuses for the child abusers in the Roman Catholic
Church, too.
Free Lunch
So, you consider those who are opposed to evil to be bigoted. I suppose
that is consistent with your political views.
Free Lunch
<dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT), lein
><boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
>
>They were not allowed to join. There is no requirement in the
>Members' Handbook that they be allowed to join.
Yes, kindness can only go so far. Jesus may have commanded His followers
to love their neighbors, but the Boy Scouts don't have to do that, even
if they are a religious organization. Apparently they are better than
Jesus.
Free Lunch
<dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:01:04 -0700 (PDT), lein
><boomer_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 15, 8:18 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT), lein
>>>
>>> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> >On May 15, 6:30 am, Don Homuth <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 14 May 2008 16:41:23 -0700 (PDT), lein
>>>
>>> >> <boomer_the_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Tell us how Steven Cohen and Pete Stark fared when they tried to join.
>>>
>>> >> They were not allowed to join. There is no requirement in the
>>> >> Members' Handbook that they be allowed to join.
>>>
>>> >And why were they not allowed to join?
>>>
>>> Because the folks who formed the CBC didn't invite them to -- just
>>> like every other organized CMO incongruous.
>>
>>Just like the Boy Scouts don't invite?
>
>As I have said previously, the BSA may discriminate on whatever basis
>it chooses. It's a private entity, and if it doesn't wish to invite
>someone, it need not do so. I've never said otherwise.
But it always did when it was collecting public money and meeting in
public schools.