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John Hattan

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Sep 11, 2001, 11:19:08 AM9/11/01
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All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.

My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
into.

For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.freespeech.org/shatner

Rune Børsjø

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Sep 11, 2001, 11:41:52 AM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote:

>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
>My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>into.
>
>For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did this.
THEN bomb the living crap out of them!
--


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Fred Stone

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:08:51 PM9/11/01
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"Rune Børsjø" wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote:
>
> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
> >
> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> >into.
> >
> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>
> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did this.
> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

Exactly. Not hot rage. Cold slow icy rage.
Put on the stompin' boots and crush them like the vermin they are.
And if anybody's foolish enought to claim credit, we should exterminate
THEM too.

--
Fred Stone
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Dr. Smartass (was Fury)

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:14:59 PM9/11/01
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John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> into.
>
> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

I'm with you...

Dr. Smartass (was Fury)

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Sep 11, 2001, 12:17:36 PM9/11/01
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Rune Børsjø <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
>
> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
> >
> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> >into.
> >
> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>
> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
this.
> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

Right now, I'm too shocked for that...I'm more concenred about the
victims...I'm going to go give blood or something (despite a fear of
needles...)


--Doc, who can't move from this chair

The Plasmatron

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:07:18 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:08:51 -0400 Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
> "Rune Børsjø" wrote:

>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote:
>>
>> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>> >
>> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>> >into.
>> >
>> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>>
>> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did this.
>> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

> Exactly. Not hot rage. Cold slow icy rage.
> Put on the stompin' boots and crush them like the vermin they are.
> And if anybody's foolish enought to claim credit, we should exterminate
> THEM too.

I agree. We must change our response so that terrorism does not
advance the goals of these assholes. We must PUNISH any country that
would give safe haven to terrorists and we must exterminate the terrorists
themselves.

--
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Fluffy Orange Bunny got run over for our sins!
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Peter van Velzen

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:05:09 PM9/11/01
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My sincere symphathy
and for one time in my lifw: I know how you are feeling.

Peter van Velzen

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:06:50 PM9/11/01
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"Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> schreef in bericht
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
>
> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
> >
> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> >into.
> >
> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>
> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
this.
> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

Please don't
collateral damage my exceed 1 million innocent people


Elroy Willis

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:34:05 PM9/11/01
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Dr. Smartass (was Fury) <a...@ifyouwant.it> wrote in alt.atheism

> Rune Børsjø <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message

>> John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote:

>>> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>>> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>>> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>>> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>>> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.

>>> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>>> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>>> into.

>>> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

>> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
>> this. THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

> Right now, I'm too shocked for that...I'm more concenred about the
> victims...I'm going to go give blood or something (despite a fear of
> needles...)

They let us off work at noon and many of us stopped by on our way
home to give blood. Don't know what else to do right now. I'm in
shock. Makes me afraid to fly I think.

--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news

ath...@home.com

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Sep 11, 2001, 2:50:52 PM9/11/01
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I agree.
We wouldn't want to exceed the barbarity of the barbarians.

atheist@home#1554
>

Don Kresch

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Sep 11, 2001, 4:28:46 PM9/11/01
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan
<jo...@thecodezone.com> let us all know that:

>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
>My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>into.
>
>For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

I have pled with my best friend, in the manner that doesn't seem
like pleading, to teach his kids where ideas like initiating force
against others leads to. For his sake. For my sake. For his kids'
sake.

Each and every person who understands where mysticism leads to
will not bend to it. And that's one less person for the mystics to
use.


Don
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Adam Marczyk

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Sep 11, 2001, 5:28:15 PM9/11/01
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John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> into.
>
> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

My girlfriend has a poster on her wall showing the Manhattan skyline at
night. The Twin Towers feature rather prominently in it. I was looking at it
and all I could think was, the real skyline doesn't look like that
anymore...

--
And I want to conquer the world,
give all the idiots a brand new religion,
put an end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil,
promote equality in all of my decisions...
--Bad Religion, "I Want to Conquer the World"

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Daneel

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Sep 11, 2001, 5:31:56 PM9/11/01
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John Hattan wrote:
> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> into.
>
> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

I have the same feelings - and I'm not even American....


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Sep 11, 2001, 5:51:28 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.

>My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>into.

>For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

My thoughts are with you, with all the kind and colourful Americans
that form the backbone of this ng.

Even from across the Atlantic, the tragedy is very unreal but yet
terribly real. Most of all it hurts. It hurts to hear the number of
possible deaths, it hurts to see the panic on the television, at this
stage, it hurts to see the way how the Americans are dealing with this
horrible event.

Have strength.

--
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JB

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:08:49 PM9/11/01
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"Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
wrote:
>
> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
> >
> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> >into.
> >
> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>
> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
this.
> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

I think we have. US forces are bombing Kabul even as I type.

Rune Børsjø

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Sep 11, 2001, 6:13:30 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:08:49 GMT, "JB" <nos...@dontbugme.net> wrote:

>I think we have. US forces are bombing Kabul even as I type.

No confirmation of that though it seems very likely. Other remote possibilities
include the greatly weakened Afghan guerilla, and the israelis.

FaithHH1

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:01:57 PM9/11/01
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In article <b43tptk027bvf1mfl...@4ax.com>, Rune Børsjø
<NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> writes:

>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:08:49 GMT, "JB" <nos...@dontbugme.net> wrote:
>
>>I think we have. US forces are bombing Kabul even as I type.
>
>No confirmation of that though it seems very likely. Other remote
>possibilities
>include the greatly weakened Afghan guerilla, and the israelis.

Not US forces. CNN reports that Northern forces have attacked the city before
during this civil war and that the weapons being used are not inconsistent with
the attack.


ClaySkye
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Steve Knight

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:18:43 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
wrote:

>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late


>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
>My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>into.
>
>For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

It's beyond comprehension. I'm not a man given to emotion but
listening to the radio today made me tear up a couple times. Typing
these words, trying to express my feelings only leaves me with a
profound sadness.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

*nemo*

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:55:43 PM9/11/01
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John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> into.
>
> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

I remember the day history was made in July of 1969. I rather like seeing
that sort of history being made over seeing this sort.


>
> ---
> John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
> jo...@thecodezone.com http://www.freespeech.org/shatner

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Sep 11, 2001, 8:59:52 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:08:49 GMT, "JB" <nos...@dontbugme.net> posted
in alt.atheism:

>"Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> wrote in message
>news:96cspt8ovjhs4mcas...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
>wrote:

>> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.

>> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>> >into.

>> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

>> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did this.
>> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!

>I think we have. US forces are bombing Kabul even as I type.

What they deserve for this is to turn all of Kabul into a monument.
Let any country learn that the price of such a cowardly act is the
loss of their entire country. Such cowards don't deserve a country.
--
Al - Unnumbered Atheist #infinity
rukbat at optonline dot net

Bored With The Boring Again

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Sep 11, 2001, 8:43:20 PM9/11/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:06:50 +0200, "Peter van Velzen"
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:

The correct amount of "collateral danage" should not exceed the
population of the country which harbours the fanatics who did this.

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:43:20 GMT, fire...@god.airmail.net ("Bored
With The Boring Again") wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:06:50 +0200, "Peter van Velzen"
><pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> schreef in bericht
>>news:96cspt8ovjhs4mcas...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> >All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>>> >February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>>> >the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>>> >in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>>> >one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>>> >
>>> >My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
>>> >grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
>>> >into.
>>> >
>>> >For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>>>
>>> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
>>this.
>>> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!
>>
>>Please don't
>>collateral damage my exceed 1 million innocent people
>
>The correct amount of "collateral danage" should not exceed the
>population of the country which harbours the fanatics who did this.

The population of innocents in any given country exceeds the
population of the fanatics who did this.

atheist@home#1554

H,R.Gruemm

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Sep 12, 2001, 4:23:39 AM9/12/01
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John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message news:<jbasptoi221ta29ai...@4ax.com>...
> All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
> My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> into.
>
> For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .

The sympathies of all people in the world that are entitled to call
themselves human are with you - no matter what their world-view may
be.

Mourning for the dead and feeling with the survivors,
Hans-Richard Grümm

@ ANTISPAM @ntlworld.com Jim the Bad

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Sep 11, 2001, 7:40:52 PM9/11/01
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Peter van Velzen wrote:

>
> "Rune Børsjø" <NOSPA...@chello.noNOSPAM> schreef in bericht
> news:96cspt8ovjhs4mcas...@4ax.com...

[snip]

>> I know people want revenge right now. But let's first figure out who did
> this.
>> THEN bomb the living crap out of them!
>
> Please don't
> collateral damage my exceed 1 million innocent people

Can I second this? I am also shocked and sickened by the events accross the
pond. The image shown repeatedly on CNN of the plane flying straight into
the WTC and exploding will haunt me for a long time, as will that of the
WTC collapsing with who knows how many people inside.

But please don't let horror and anger overcome us. Two wrongs don't make a
right, massive military retaliation will only bring more deaths.

I am now terrified of two things: 1, The ease at which extremeist groups
can cause massive numbers of deaths of innocent people. And 2, What the USA
government's response will be. I will not be suprised if Afganistan and/or
Palistinian settlements are bombed flat (regardless of whether they are
responsible). This will in turn bring more terrorist atrocities...you can
work out the rest.

We must do everything we can to bring the guilty to justice without the
loss of any more innocent lives. The anger and the thirst for revenge
expressed in all these posts is understandable...but it isn't right. For
fucks sake let's not start a holy war of our own.

--
My sympathies to all those affected by this atrocity.
JimTheBad@ANTISPAM@NTLWorld.com

Timothy Wesson

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Sep 12, 2001, 1:17:46 PM9/12/01
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Al Klein wrote:

Hey, why not execute all Muslims: such cowards don't deserve a religion!

> --
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Mark Whickman

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Dr. Smartass (was Fury) <a...@ifyouwant.it> wrote in message
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Giving blood would be the most effective thing to do. I urge all that can to
donate blood now and to continue in the future.


Mark Whickman

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Peter van Velzen <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
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There are only two effective military solutions: Complete precision or
complete annihilation.


Mark Whickman

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:37:04 PM9/12/01
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Adam Marczyk <ebon...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> John Hattan <jo...@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
> news:jbasptoi221ta29ai...@4ax.com...
> > All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
> > February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
> > the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
> > in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
> > one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
> >
> > My dad was born two weeks after Pearl Harbor, and I now know how my
> > grandma felt, wondering what kind of a world her child was being born
> > into.
> >
> > For once in my life, I have nothing more to say. . .
>
> My girlfriend has a poster on her wall showing the Manhattan skyline at
> night. The Twin Towers feature rather prominently in it. I was looking at
it
> and all I could think was, the real skyline doesn't look like that
> anymore...
>

Where I work had one. It has been removed.


Mark Whickman

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Sep 12, 2001, 2:38:09 PM9/12/01
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Al Klein <ruk...@pern.org> wrote in message
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To do this would require nuclear weaponry. Are you advocating its use?


Mike Ruskai

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Sep 12, 2001, 6:43:36 PM9/12/01
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan wrote:

>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.

My grandfather was one of the people who built the twin towers (he was a
welder).

My cousin was on the 105th floor of the first tower hit - above the fire. He
was contacted shortly thereafter, but hasn't been heard from since, and is
officially one of the missing. Several of the people who worked at his
company did make it out, but are in critical condition.

I don't think a monument will be sufficient. I think the buildings must be
rebuilt.

But not until after we take down, to the ground, all groups and supporting
governments responsible for this attack against civilization.


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John Hattan

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Sep 12, 2001, 8:40:34 PM9/12/01
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"Mike Ruskai" <spamten.tt...@begoneynnaht.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:19:08 -0500, John Hattan wrote:
>
>>All I can think of is that my first child, due to be born in late
>>February, will only know of the World Trade Center as the site of one of
>>the greatest mass-murders in human history. h/she will only know of them
>>in "before" pictures and as an inevitable monument on the site, like the
>>one I saw in OKC, containing the list of the people who died.
>
>My grandfather was one of the people who built the twin towers (he was a
>welder).
>
>My cousin was on the 105th floor of the first tower hit - above the fire. He
>was contacted shortly thereafter, but hasn't been heard from since, and is
>officially one of the missing. Several of the people who worked at his
>company did make it out, but are in critical condition.

Sorry to hear that.

>I don't think a monument will be sufficient. I think the buildings must be
>rebuilt.

I agree 100%. Sounds like it might happen. Senator Hillary was
apparently talking about exactly that today.

>But not until after we take down, to the ground, all groups and supporting
>governments responsible for this attack against civilization.

Also agree 100%.

Al Klein

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:17:46 +0100, Timothy Wesson
<tr...@nospam-render.com> posted in alt.atheism:

>Hey, why not execute all Muslims:

Because we're not currently at war with all Muslims. But we ARE most
likely at war with some of them.

Al Klein

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Sep 12, 2001, 9:24:09 PM9/12/01
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:38:09 +0100, "Mark Whickman"
<markwh...@blackfortress.freeserve.co.uk> posted in alt.atheism:

>To do this would require nuclear weaponry. Are you advocating its use?

Or a lot of conventional weaponry. I don't advocate using the stream
you drink from as a toilet, and we have to breathe the same air that's
over wherever we bomb.

BTW, the sunset was particularly beautiful this evening, 60 miles east
of what used to be the WTC. And there's a fine powder on the car I
didn't drive today. Some of that ash may be people who used to work
in the WTC towers.

I'm not feeling too kindly toward enemy soldiers at the moment, nor am
I likely to live long enough to change that attitude. I'm breathing
former friends and colleagues. That kind of puts things into a
perspective that maybe people not living around here can't appreciate.
Although maybe some people who spent some time in Uncle Ho's Vacation
Paradise can.

Those who give succor to those trying to kill them aren't what Darwin
would have called 'fit'.

Space Lord

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Sep 12, 2001, 9:32:46 PM9/12/01
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In article <9noa49$oaa$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Mark Whickman" <markwh...@blackfortress.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

We can do it without nukes. FAE would work, as would massive conventinal
muntions. Not that I'm advocating either, but you're bringing in the
specter of nuclear weapons needlessly.

--
Space Lord
Fire bad. Knife bad. Virulent biotoxin bad.
Bwahahaha? Maybe. Baawa? No, BAAWA!


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Landis D. Ragon

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Steve Knight <BA...@sonic.net> wrote:

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Me, too.

</AOL>

>Warlord Steve
>BAAWA

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Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!"
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