Jesus is real - Believe in Him

[satur...@yahoo.com]

Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 27 May 2012 09:35:25 -0700 (PDT), satur...@yahoo.com wrote in
alt.atheism:

>Believe in Jesus,

Why?

>the son of the God,

So you allege, but have no evidence to back it up.

>who died on cross for our sins.

Again, an allegation that is evidence-free.

>God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal
>life in paradise after death.

Then there's no reason to waste time on it. If God is all-powerful and
wants to give eternal life to everyone, there's nothing to be done about
it. God will save everyone and the smugly whiny believers who have been
gleefully threatening those who don't listen to their self-righteous
rants will have to put up with the unbelievers in heaven.

>I can assure that He is real because of my
>experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

You are making indefensible claims.

[Uncle Vic]

satur...@yahoo.com wrote in
news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com:

> Believe in Jesus

This is alt.atheism, dickwad. We don't believe in your gods.

--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
Matthew 6:5-6
"Keep thy religion to thyself"

Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee

[Neil Kelsey]

On Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:35:25 AM UTC-7, satur...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

Your experience with having hallucinations are hardly assurance that God is real, and even if he were I would feel worse, not better, because it would be disturbing to know that a magical invisible psychopath is torturing billions of people for all eternity.

[linuxgal]

satur...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

Feeling better is not evidence.

[Josef Balluch]

<satur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com...

Previously refuted twaddle:

http://tinyurl.com/7fk6gac

http://tinyurl.com/7b95uh7

[Andy W]

On May 27, 5:35 pm, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

You again? Spouting this crap again? Odd, you think this stuff is so
important that you can shove it in our faces month in month out, but
you never back it up. Why do you keep running away? Is your faith that
weak?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com>,

First, provide objective verifiable evidence that this Jesus person ever
existed. Once you do that, you can provide the same for the existence of
any god.

Once you do that, then we can talk.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"

[Alex W.]

Just to clarify: what would we accept as verifiable evidence?
Clearly, physical remains of his body would not be verifiable.
So would we be satisfied with written references from Roman
imperial sources?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <nwfkg1ldevc2$.5io2ewph...@40tude.net>,

Contemporary accounts, preferably Roman since they did the deed, of the
accounts of the bible would go a long way. Toward the existence of the
Christian Jesus, not, of course, to any of the supernatural stuff; that
requires other evidence.

[Father Haskell]

On May 27, 12:35 pm, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

Does that proposition make sense on any level whatsoever?

[Josef Balluch]

<satur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com...

> Jesus is real - Believe in Him



Sorry, Skippy. Jesus does not exist:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/92d69151e481a211

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.atheism/msg/d5ea57e809148e4c



That makes you a serial liar.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/295219f458ad7275

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/63e5f90670561c0b

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/90b24073cb74b478

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/11cc8f44697c4755



A psychopath like you will most likely offend again. Ask for help while you
are still able.



Regards,

Josef

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:4cm4s7hhed55qtoof...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 27 May 2012 09:35:25 -0700 (PDT), satur...@yahoo.com wrote in
> alt.atheism:
>
>>Believe in Jesus,
>
> Why?
>
>>the son of the God,
>
> So you allege, but have no evidence to back it up.

Why is an evolutionarianism textbook considered evidence but the Bible is
not?

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"Uncle Vic" <so...@noway.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA06070F2C1B...@216.196.97.131...

> satur...@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Believe in Jesus
>
> This is alt.atheism, dickwad. We don't believe in your gods.

Some of us do.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <jpur7a$j6i$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zachariasm...@isalwaysright.com>
wrote:

The book isn't evidence, you silly thing, you. The evidence is
discussed within the book, with citations toward the actual evidence.

Where are the citations to actual evidence in your bible?

JD

[Doc Smartass]

satur...@yahoo.com wrote in news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8-a178-e935123e13b4
@googlegroups.com:

> Subject: Jesus is real - Believe in Him

He's a roofer.

http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k8j1ryj1q/jesus-roofing/

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939

Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/

Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/

Proud to be everything the right wing hates.

[Father Haskell]

On May 28, 9:11 am, Doc Smartass <FortbrickG...@yahoobrick.com> wrote:
> saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote in news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8-a178-e935123e13b4

> @googlegroups.com:
>
> > Subject: Jesus is real - Believe in Him
>
> He's a roofer.
>
> http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k8j1ryj1q/jesus-roofing/

And a painter.

http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k8p2nqr4j/jesus-painting/

[Doc Smartass]

Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:290d6e9f-4b69-
4766-82e6-6...@a10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:

A Miracle!

Repaint and thin no more!

[Richo]

On May 28, 2:35 am, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins.

How can someone else die for my sins?
It doesnt make any sense.
Think about it.

>God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death.

Why would God want that?
Why would God want anything?

> I can assure that He is real because of my experience

So there is no possibility that you are just deluding yourself?
How could I *know* that you were not delusional?
Don't you think crazy people jibber at strangers on the internet all
the time?

People assure me they were kidnapped by aliens and anally probed -
that isn't enough for me to believe - people can sincerely believe
untrue things.
It happens ALL the time!

>and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

Perhaps.
However, I prefer the cold sting of reality to the warm comfort of a
delusion.

Mark.

[Alex W.]

On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:50:11 -0700 (PDT), Richo wrote:

> On May 28, 2:35 am, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins.
>
> How can someone else die for my sins?
> It doesnt make any sense.
> Think about it.

This is a practice called "scapegoating", and Jesus wasn't the
first nor the last such example. In fact, he was fullsquare in
line with Jewish tradition from which we derive the very term
"scape goat": a goat would be ritually burdened by a community's
sins and then driven out into the desert to die.

It's a very fundamental and widespread human instinct: someone
else pays for mistakes and misdeeds (whether your own or anyone
else's). We have whipping boys and fall guys. We have scape
goats to take the blame and suffer the punishment. Whenever a
horrific crime occurs, much (most) of the community wants to see
someone, anyone, caught and punished, and it is only of secondary
importance whether it's the right guy. Social unrest, economic
woes and military disasters? It's the Christians' fault, let's
throw them to the lions in the Circus Maximus. Crops fail, wells
run dry, the plague kills thousands? It's the Jews what did it,
let's kill them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

[BroilJAB]

I can assure that He is real because of my

own experiences and if you believe in Him,
you may enter into eternal life.

[Richo]

On May 29, 9:42 pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:50:11 -0700 (PDT), Richo wrote:
> > On May 28, 2:35 am, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins.
>
> > How can someone else die for my sins?
> > It doesnt make any sense.
> > Think about it.
>
> This is a practice called "scapegoating", and Jesus wasn't the
> first nor the last such example.  In fact, he was fullsquare in
> line with Jewish tradition from which we derive the very term
> "scape goat": a goat would be ritually burdened by a community's
> sins and then driven out into the desert to die.
>

Yes - a truly disgusting and corrupting idea.

If Jesus actually existed then his death was rather a shock to his
followers - the idea of his death being a sacrifice came 50 -100 years
AFTER his death.
His followers believed him to be the Messiah. They would have been
devastated by his death.

Traditionally a Messiah isn't supposed to get killed - he is
triumphant - restores the Temple and the Kingdom of David.
Jesus was a disappointment as a Messiah - so Paul came up with the
Sacrifice shtick - and the rest, as they say, is history (or
Mythology!)

A stroke of genius - turning an abject defeat (getting killed by the
Romans) into a mystical Victory!

> It's a very fundamental and widespread human instinct: someone
> else pays for mistakes and misdeeds (whether your own or anyone
> else's).  We have whipping boys and fall guys.  We have scape
> goats to take the blame and suffer the punishment.  Whenever a
> horrific crime occurs, much (most) of the community wants to see
> someone, anyone, caught and punished, and it is only of secondary
> importance whether it's the right guy.  Social unrest, economic
> woes and military disasters?  It's the Christians' fault, let's
> throw them to the lions in the Circus Maximus.  Crops fail, wells
> run dry, the plague kills thousands?  It's the Jews what did it,
> let's kill them all.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating

A most disgusting idea. I love how Christopher Hitchens expresses his
contempt for the concept.
I couldn't do better than he.

Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardson61ATgmailDOTcom

Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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[Neil Kelsey]

Hey, genius - according to Christianity we all have eternal life whether we believe in him or not. It's just that most of us get to spend it being tortured by the loving psychopathic monster you worship.

[linuxgal]

And that's funny, because they call it the Second Death, and Jesus said
both body and soul are destroyed in hell.

[BroilJAB]

[MelissA]

We will all die...

[Neil Kelsey]

Yeah, their beliefs don't make much sense until you examine them as a neurotic revenge fantasy. It's time for sane people (not the theists who post here, from what I've seen) to abandon this psychopathic meme.

[Josef Balluch]

<satur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e7aa6c4-6680-4aa8...@googlegroups.com...

> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God

> wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life
> in

> paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my
> experience and > if you believe in Him, you will feel better.


Uh huh.

The idea that holding a certain belief will result in a reward only serves
to confirm that the belief itself has no intrinsic value. Furthermore, your
claim would serve to confirm that the belief has no philosophical
justification, in which case there is no reason to suppose that the belief
is actually true.


Regards,

Josef

[BroilJAB]

[BroilJAB]

Come to Him

[Uergil]

In article
<70db99a7-98d8-4d6b...@p16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Come on Him

Shame on you.

Re: BroilCHOP

"Broil, broil, broil the CHOP
Gently on the heat,
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
Darwin has him beat . . ."
"Birric Forcella"

King James Version (KJV)
John 3 16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

Which implies that whosoever does not łbelieveth in him˛ will perish
when their bodies perish and not be available for any alleged eternal
"hell".

And there is as yet no objective physical evidence that that promise of
"everlasting life" is not a con.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[BroilJAB]

Pick up the Black Book today.

[BroilJAB]

Believe in Him. DO what He tells us.
Keep the Commandments.
Enter into Christian decency.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:54:46 -0700 (PDT), BroilJAB
<Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote in alt.atheism:

>Believe in Him. DO what He tells us.
>Keep the Commandments.
>Enter into Christian decency.

Says a man who has made it clear that he rejects what Jesus taught.

[Neil Kelsey]

Torture is not decent. You are participating in a torture ring. I can't figure out whether it's better or worse that the torture is imaginary. Oh well, you loons have managed to squeeze in a lot of pre-death torture, so it's not all a figment of your imagination.

[Herbert W. Caine]

On May 27, 12:35 pm, saturn_...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Believe in Jesus, the son of the God, who died on cross for our sins. God wants that the one who believe in His son, Jesus, would have eternal life in paradise after death. I can assure that He is real because of my experience and if you believe in Him, you will feel better.

When Jesus shows up, text me. I'll become a Catholic and all my
sins will be washed away in the spirit of forgiveness.

Until then, I'll live life as usual. As a person who is socially
responsible, involved in politics as a volunteer, a person who is a
universal blood donor and give's blood every month. I give a large
amount of my income to charity, and I'm an atheist.

[Neil Kelsey]

Your hallucinations are not reassuring that God is real.

[BroilJAB]

Do not lose Pascalian Wager

[BroilJAB]

Come to Him

[Neil Kelsey]

On Monday, June 4, 2012 3:45:39 AM UTC-7, BroilJAB wrote:
> Come to Him

That would be like coming to Saddam Hussein, only billions of times worse and billions of times more imaginary. No thanks.