Commiserations to atheists for the loss of their beloved Supreme Leader

[fasgnadh]

Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.

http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kimjongil.jpg

Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D

In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
materialism.

"North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism


All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..

http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg



"God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk

http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-IN-STATE.jpg

"Kim is Dead" - God B^D

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg

"Mao is Dead" - God

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg

"Lenin is Dead" - God

http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg

"Stalin is Dead" - God

.. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg



Atheism is a feeble joke.


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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

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http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[Gillard=Rudd in a frock]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:47 someone claiming to be fasgnadh
(fasg...@yahoo.com), said:


> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.

You are sounding more and more like a kiddie diddling defrocked priest,
FagsNags.
--

"One thing is sure - there will be no Gillard era. This is not a
20-year stretch. Civilised people's hands are already over their faces
every time she speaks. That cannot last. She has no power, no
influence, no friends, no learning. There's not much there."

Bob Ellis (ALP speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

"Gillard is part of a Melbourne-based gang Ellis dubs the "Mouse Pack",
which includes Simon Crean and Martin Ferguson.

"They twitch their whiskers and come out in favour of the Afghan war
without studying the problem or noting that an army intelligence
officer [independent MP Andrew Wilkie] holds the balance of power,"
Ellis says."

More Bob Ellis (ALP Speech writer) on Dullard!
http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

Labor Lies:

"There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead" - Ju-Liar
Dullard

“Well certainly what we rejected is this hysterical allegation that
somehow we are moving towards a carbon tax from the Liberals in their
advertising. We certainly reject that.” (Swan the Goose)

[fasgnadh]

Limp Cock in a frock demonstrated his inability to read or comprehend:

> On 28/12/2011 7:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>

> You are sounding more and more like a kiddie diddling defrocked priest

This is a text medium, you poor cretin! There is no audio in Usenet, you
are simply hallucinating, again.

But no one is surprised that the voices you hear are from
your inner kiddie- diddler.

Seek medical help for your condition, (have the doctors diagnosed your
problem yet?)

> FagsNags.

Oh, you poor bastard, you should quit shagging sheep! 8^o

[sutartsorric]

On Dec 28, 9:48 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Limp Cock in a frock demonstrated his inability to read or comprehend:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28/12/2011 7:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>
> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> >>http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> >> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> >> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
> >> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
> >> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>
> >> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
> >> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
> >> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
> >> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
> >> materialism.
>
> >> "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
> >> over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>

> >> -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

>
> >> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
> >> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>
> >>http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>
> >> "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>

> >>http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jon...

>
> >> "Kim is Dead" - God B^D
>
> >>http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
> >> "Mao is Dead" - God
>
> >>http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>
> >> "Lenin is Dead" - God
>
> >>http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>
> >> "Stalin is Dead" - God
>
> >> .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>
> >>http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
> >> Atheism is a feeble joke.
>
> > You are sounding more and more like a kiddie diddling defrocked priest
>
> This is a text medium, you poor cretin! There is no audio in Usenet, you
> are simply hallucinating, again.
>
> But no one is surprised that the voices you hear are from
> your inner kiddie- diddler.
>
> Seek medical help for your condition, (have the doctors diagnosed your
> problem yet?)
>
> > FagsNags.
>
> Oh, you poor bastard, you should quit shagging sheep!     8^o
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...

>
>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    "We must combat religion"
>        -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>    the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>       - Lenin
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...

Oh dear.

Arguing with yourself again. The school holidays are obviously way too
long at this time of year.

[Loirbaj]

Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.

[fasgnadh]

suckarseorric is suffering withdrawal pangs:

> Oh dear.

Sorry, I didn't expect he would quit mid stroke and leave you!

> The school holidays are obviously way too
> long at this time of year.

Perhaps you two can find something else to do with the camera
other than photographing the kiddies.

--

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[fasgnadh]

On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.

Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.

It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.

Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
sense of gratitude.

And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.

And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[sarge]

On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual
> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues!   B^D
>
> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
> materialism.
>
>    "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>     over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>
>        -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>
> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>
> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>
>        "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>

> http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jon...

>
>        "Kim is Dead" - God     B^D
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
>        "Mao is Dead" - God
>
> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>
>        "Lenin is Dead" - God
>
> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>
>        "Stalin is Dead" - God
>
>     .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
> Atheism is a feeble joke.
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...

>
>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    "We must combat religion"
>        -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>    the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>       - Lenin
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...

The buddha was an atheist.

[Loirbaj]

It never built a single free, open, democratic
state, let alone the great and enduring
civilisations built by believers.

BroilJAB said,
True. And who in their right mind would work
his ass off...just so countless slugs and losers
could ride high on your sweat and labor. It's
programmed to fail.

Btw, please DELETE the referral to talk dot atheism.
It is a totally DEAD news group but which budikka
hopes and prays folks keep (cross posting) into, so
that Usenet does not extinguish it.

[fasgnadh]

sarge could not dispute the facts, so he fabricated:

Really? B^} So, what are the Devas? and Devaputras? B^D

What is the ultimate reality of pure, spotless changeless mind?

I find it fascinating that Buddhist Atheists can openly
embrace this:

@ "Buddhism speaks of ultimate reality as pure, spotless,
@ changeless Mind that is present in all things, all times,
@ and in all beings and which can never die. Kalu Rinpoche
@ elucidates: "...pure mind cannot be located, but it is
@ omnipresent and all-penetrating; it embraces and pervades
@ all things. Moreover, it is beyond change, and its open
@ nature is indestructible and atemporal."[3

Now Who does that sound like? B^D

But wait there is more..

@ "The text refers to Vairocana Buddha as the "Bhagavat" ("Blessed One,"
@ a term traditionally linked in Indian discourse with "the Divine"],
@ "Master of the Dharma, the Sage who is completely perfect, who is
@ all-pervasive, who encompasses all world systems, who is All-Knowing,
@ the Lord Vairocana".[13]
@
@ The Tantric text, The Sarva-Tathagata-Tattva-Samgraha,
@ characterizes Vairocana as follows:
@
@ He is universal Goodness, beneficial, destroyer [of suffering],
@ the great Lord of Happiness, sky womb, Great Luminosity
@ … the great All-perceiving Lord … He is without beginning or
@ end … [He is] Vishnu [God] … Protector of the world, the sky,
@ the earth … The elements, the good benefactor of beings,
@ All things … the Blessed Rest, Eternal … The Self of all
@ the Buddhas … Pre-eminent over all, and master of the world.
@
@ Similar God-like descriptions are encountered in the All-Creating King
@ Tantra (Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra), where the universal Mind of
@ Awakening (in its mode as "Samantabhadra Buddha") declares of
@ itself:[14]
@
@ I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that
@ exists. I am the cause of all that exists. I am the trunk
@ of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists.
@ I am the root of existence. I am ‘the core’ because I contain
@ all phenomena. I am ‘the seed’ because I give birth to everything.
@ I am ‘the cause’ because all comes from me. I am ‘the trunk’
@ because the ramifications of every event sprout from me.
@ I am ‘the foundation’ because all abides in me. I am called
@ ‘the root’ because I am everything."
@

Some of you "Buddhist Atheists" are really interesting! B^)

@ Deva (Buddhism)
@ A deva (देव Sanskrit and Pāli) in Buddhism is one of many
@ different types of non-human beings who share the
@ characteristics of being more powerful, longer-lived,
@ and, in general, living more contentedly than the
@ average human being.
@
@ Synonyms in other languages include Tibetan lha,
@ Chinese tiān (天）, Korean cheon, Japanese ten,
@ Vietnamese thiên. The concept of devas was adopted
@ in Japan partly because of the similarity with the
@ Shinto's concept of kami.
@
@ Other words used in Buddhist texts to refer to
@ similar supernatural beings are devatā "deity" and
@ devaputra (Pāli: devaputta) "son of the gods".
@
@
@ Powers of the devas
@
@ From a human perspective, devas share the characteristic
@ of being invisible to the physical human eye. The presence
@ of a deva can be detected by those humans who have opened
@ the divyacakṣus (Pāli: dibbacakkhu), an extrasensory power
@ by which one can see beings from other planes. Their
@ voices can also be heard by those who have cultivated
@ a similar power of the ear.
@
@ Most devas are also capable of constructing illusory
@ forms by which they can manifest themselves to the
@ beings of lower worlds; higher and lower devas even
@ have to do this between each other.
@
@ Devas do not require the same kind of sustenance as
@ humans do, although the lower kinds do eat and drink.
@ The higher sorts of deva shine with their own intrinsic
@ luminosity.
@
@ Devas are also capable of moving great distances speedily
@ and of flying through the air, although the lower devas
@ sometimes accomplish this through magical aids such as a
@ flying chariot."

Do Atheists borrow these Magic Chariots on the weekends???

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAA

@ " Types of deva
@
@ The devas of the Ārūpyadhātu have no physical form or location,
@ and they dwell in meditation on formless subjects.

Sounds like some of the Atheists discussing
the probability of a Deva existing! B^)

@ "They do not interact with the rest of the universe."

That is definitely some of the Atheists in alt.atheistan!!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!

BTW, where are the Great Atheist Civilizations? On any Map?

Can we get an Invisible Deva Buddist Chariot and go see some of them?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:00:58 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Yet aother psycho's back.

Where are they all coming from?

re<plonk>

[fasgnadh]

Christopher "Drill Chuck" Lee snipped and ran from the truth:
< Unsnip>

> On 28/12/2011 10:00 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>
>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>>
>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>>
>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>> sense of gratitude.
>>
>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>>
>> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
>> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.

<end unsnip>

Drill Chuck Lee is a classic example of psycho-sexually disturbed
atheist trash who cant rationally debate the truth, snip it and run,
and babble about themselves:

> Yet aother psycho's back.

No one cares where you have been, Drill Chuck,
and no one expects anything sane from you:

# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John

The response from our atheist sociopath? The usual sicko RANT:

# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.

> Where are they all coming from?

Apparently your father had your sister.

And when you popped out, she tipped you down the toilet..

> re<plonk>

You are looking a bit flushed, you dimwitted atheist turd.


---------

[Davej]

On Dec 28, 2:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> spammed:
alt.atheism, talk.atheism, alt.agnoisticism, alt.religion,
alt.religion.christian, aus.politics, uk.politics.misc,
alt.politics.republicans and several more...

>
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of

> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill [...]


It's difficult to imagine anyone wanting to be such an ignorant
religious moron troll.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:02:56 -0600, Rob Par <rob...@mypbmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:47:22 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>
>>http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kimjongil.jpg
>

>Bull shit Kim Jong was worshipped as a god, the difference is
>Kim Jong existed Jehovha was a figment was the imagination.
>Atheist worship no one and hold reverence for the truth. North
>Korea is a theocracy and as such is stuck in the Dark Ages.

It was a personality cult. Not quite the same thing.

Margaret Thatcher even had one in the UK.

[Don Martin]

Is this an indication of the magnetism of her personality or of the
desperation of the Brits?

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
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[Don Martin]

Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

The news group next door had the Orkin man in?

[DonH]

"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:xIAKq.952$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

# Well, well, fangnasher is back, with more fulminations about atheist
tyranny - ignoring or condoning the many theocratic tyrannies which did, or
do, exist.
What is his argument, as he addresses all atheists, in universal
condemnation?
All Communists are Atheists.
You are an Atheist.
Hence, You are a Communist.
- which conveniently ignores the many atheists who are not communists.
Yes, North Korea has all the attributes of a Dogmatic Religion, and acts
accordingly.
In addition, it also has some tinge of Monarchy, as the New Leader is
third in an hereditary line of succession (except youngest son, not eldest).
The belligerent TV newsreader has been replaced by an equally-absurd
weeping newsreader.
We may assume that those who first stop weeping in the crowds lining
the funeral route are in danger or being thought revisionists or disloyal -
like those who first stopped clapping when applauding Stalin.
However, none of this proves or disproves the existence of God, gods,
or goddesses - as this needs empirical and historic research, not dogmatic
dictate.
God is conspicuous by his absence in the modern world, and chanting
from holy texts proves nothing - except that Homo Sapiens is, indeed, the
Mad Ape.
Has "fasgnadh" stopped dithering, as an agnostic, and finally admitted
his atheism?
In afraid that, in Iran, no such fine distinction would be made.

[Colanth]

Cleaned out your filters again?
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
<grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.

>The buddha was an atheist.

So's the Christian god.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:58:12 GMT, Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:02:56 -0600, Rob Par <rob...@mypbmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:47:22 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kimjongil.jpg
>>>
>>> Bull shit Kim Jong was worshipped as a god, the difference is
>>> Kim Jong existed Jehovha was a figment was the imagination.
>>> Atheist worship no one and hold reverence for the truth. North
>>> Korea is a theocracy and as such is stuck in the Dark Ages.
>>
>> It was a personality cult. Not quite the same thing.
>>
>> Margaret Thatcher even had one in the UK.
>
>Is this an indication of the magnetism of her personality or of the
>desperation of the Brits?

It was fostered by a sycophantic press. She was a megalomaniac who
thought she should be treated like the Queen but more so. Heck, she
acted as if she were Queen Victoria.

When she introduced the pound coin to replace the paper money it
became known as the brass Maggie - it was thick, brassy and thought it
was a sovereign.

People were telling jokes about moving to Albania or North Korea to
get away from her personality cult.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:03:53 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
><grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>
>>The buddha was an atheist.
>
>So's the Christian god.

Wasn't the original Buddha a Hindu?

[etio]

[sarcasm]A leader which sadly couldn't come even close to the historic Catholic leader of 20th century, Adolf Hitler. [/sarcasm]

[Immortalist]

On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of

The honest quest for a justifiable Theory of God includes atheists,
believers and about everyone else.

Your points amount to Red Herrings in that they bring up irrelevent
facts about participant circumstances and parade them around as some
sort of evidence for or against general theories of God. Kims beliefs
and actions are construed by yea as justification for your Theory of
Atheism fool. Conclusion: you appear to not want to debate fairly
about hypotheses amd theories.

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented
in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea
is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument
and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because
merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument
against a claim.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual
> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues!   B^D
>
> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
> materialism.
>
>    "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>     over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>
>        -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>
> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>
> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>
>        "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>

> http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jon...

>
>        "Kim is Dead" - God     B^D
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
>        "Mao is Dead" - God
>
> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>
>        "Lenin is Dead" - God
>
> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>
>        "Stalin is Dead" - God
>
>     .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
> Atheism is a feeble joke.
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...

>
>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    "We must combat religion"
>        -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>    the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>       - Lenin
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...

[Buddythunder]

On Dec 28, 11:32 pm, Loirbaj <Rhodi...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.

We're still here. You're still scared of reality.

[Loirbaj]

Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.

miss Freepers said,
We're still here

BroilJAB said,
Right..along with that naturally occuring
aluminium (sic) metal. LOL

[Frank Galikanokus]

fasgnadh wrote:
>
> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
> > Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>
> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.

Are you referring to the crowned heads ruling by divine right? They are
a bit hard to find these days.

>
> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.

Every single free, open, democratic state was founded by people
rejecting rulers and governments claiming a divine right to rule.

>
> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
> sense of gratitude.

I'm extremely grateful that enlightened peoples all over the world have
rejected theocracy.

>
> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.

Maybe theists would not get their fingers burned if they kept them out
of government.

>
> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.

And how are the theocracies doing these days? Any left outside the
muslim world?

JAM

[Colanth]

According to his traditional biographies, he was shielded from
religion while he was growing up.

[Dakota]

On 12/28/2011 12:03 PM, Colanth wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
> <grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>
>> The buddha was an atheist.
>
> So's the Christian god.

According to the 1st commandment, biblegod believes in other gods.
Biblegod is okay with them being equals but doesn't want any out in front.

[steve knight]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:00:58 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Are you still having sex with the neighborhood dogs?

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Uergil]

In article
<d3c881be-3329-416b...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Creationism

Everywhere tries and everywhere succeeded: Evolution and other sciences.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[Uergil]

In article
<9486520e-1a6a-41d2...@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

> Everywhere tried, everywhere succeeded: Atheism.

>
> miss Freepers said,
> We're still here
>
> BroilJAB said,
> Right..along with that naturally occuring
> aluminium (sic) metal. LOL

Which does not occur in metallic form in nature any more that iron does.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:03:16 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>

wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:16:04 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:03:53 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
>>><grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Dec 28, 9:47�am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>>
>>>>The buddha was an atheist.
>>>
>>>So's the Christian god.
>>
>>Wasn't the original Buddha a Hindu?
>
>According to his traditional biographies, he was shielded from
>religion while he was growing up.

OK, but he grew up in a Hindu society.

While it is possible to be shielded from religion when there are
already non-believers, like I was, I would have thought this less
likely a few tousand years ago.

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:56:32 -0800 (PST), Davej <gal...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

He's an attention-whore. He doesn't care what you say to him, as long
as you respond. Most of us have him killed.

[Michael Gordge]

On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,

Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
to be seen or heard from again?

MG

[Paul David Wright]

fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:xIAKq.952$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com:

>
>
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of

> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

Still lying, I see.
Your sabatical has done nothing to improve your honesty.

--
PDW

Check out my blog:
http://corneliusaddaptionproject.blogspot.com/
And my books:
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/pdwright42

[Paul David Wright]

Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
news:d3c881be-3329-416b...@j9g2000vby.googlegroups.com:

>
> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>

Nope.

[Paul David Wright]

Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
news:9486520e-1a6a-41d2...@t16g2000vba.googlegroups.com:

And I'm sure you think that means something, ignorant one.

[sarge]

On 28 Dec, 19:16, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:03:53 -0500, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid>

Not when he was the Buddha.

[sarge]

On 28 Dec, 19:03, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
>

> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
> >The buddha was an atheist.
>
> So's the Christian god.

Not sure if this is ironic or not, but I would assume not. He would
believe in his own existence.

[Jim Austin]

On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,

> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual

> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,...

This would be the wisdom of humility, meekness, servility,
submissiveness, pacifism and the divine right of kings and dictators.

> ...and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues!   B^D

We've been through this before.

Atheism is not a defining feature of communism, not withstanding what
commies themselves may say. Rather communism is the belief in the
economic system defined in the Bible, specifically Acts II:44-45, IV:
34-35.

<Snip> The rest.

[Loirbaj]

colon said,

He's an attention-whore. He doesn't care what you say to him, as
long
as you respond. Most of us have him killed.

BroilJAB said,
That is the SAME buzz line you toss
out to try and demonize me, sir.

[Don Martin]

steve knight <BA...@nevermind.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:00:58 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Are you still having sex with the neighborhood dogs?

Don't be too hard on him. You have no idea how difficult those dogs are to
catch a second time.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[Seon Ferguson]

On 29/12/2011 1:10 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
> Christopher "Drill Chuck" Lee snipped and ran from the truth:
> < Unsnip>

>> On 28/12/2011 10:00 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:

>>>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>>

What happened? I thought you got tierd of getting your arse kicked by
atheists so you ran away like a little coward. In our last debate you
made some pretty bad slandar against me for being anti war and I came up
with some good arguments but you ran away. So I won.

>>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>>>

Because if atheists spoke out against the church they would be burnt
alive as heratics. That does not prove atheism wrong.

>>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>>>

And neather did religion.

>>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>>> sense of gratitude.
>>>

>>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>>>

That is an Argumentum ad Hominem argument, by pointing out the negative
things done by people who happen to be atheist and try to say it debunks
atheism. How exactly does the fact that atheists, who are also
communists, prove that atheists are wrong and there is a God.

Granted you can't disprove religion by pointing to the Crusades, witch
burnings, inqusision, oppression, religious wars, 911, 7/7 and all the
other evils done in it's name as well. That doesn't prove there is no
God but it doesn't prove there is one.

>>> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
>>> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.

> <end unsnip>

[Seon Ferguson]

Oh yeah and I don't believe in any God's but Kim Jong Il was never my
supreme leader. he was a evil demonic little bastard, along with the
tyrant Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot (who the religious America supported),
Adolph Hitler and the rest of them. I don't know which atheist in this
group thinks he was a beloved supreme leader b.

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:11:51 -0800, Christopher A. Lee

<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:03:16 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:16:04 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
>><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:03:53 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
>>>><grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>>>
>>>>>The buddha was an atheist.
>>>>
>>>>So's the Christian god.
>>>
>>>Wasn't the original Buddha a Hindu?
>>
>>According to his traditional biographies, he was shielded from
>>religion while he was growing up.
>
>OK, but he grew up in a Hindu society.

No, he grew up in a palace, where no religion was allowed. According
to his traditional biographies.

>While it is possible to be shielded from religion when there are
>already non-believers, like I was, I would have thought this less
>likely a few tousand years ago.

When your father can lop off heads at will, and decides that you will
grow up with no knowledge of religion, you do. (I'd imagine that a
carpenter who hit his thumb and muttered "oh, God", or their
equivalent, was given a very effective pain killer - removal of the
connection between the brain and the thumb.)
--
"There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely
it is better than eternal torment in Hell and eternal boredom in
Heaven."- Isaac Asimov

[Colanth]

No belief, he'd KNOW that he existed. He'd have no BELIEF in any god.
--
"Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's
troublesome.” - Isaac Asimov

[SkyEyes]

On Dec 28, 1:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill

Oh, horseshit. If "global atheism" had a leader, it was George
Carlin.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[sarge]

On 29 Dec, 06:02, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:34:53 -0800 (PST), sarge
>

> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 28 Dec, 19:03, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
>
> >> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
> >> >The buddha was an atheist.
>
> >> So's the Christian god.
>
> >Not sure if this is ironic or not, but I would assume not.  He would
> >believe in his own existence.
>
> No belief, he'd KNOW that he existed.  He'd have no BELIEF in any god.

Knowledge is a subset of beliefs. And this is absolutely the case in
a philosophy context where knowledge is taken as Justified True
Beliefs. Some philosophers have a problem with that definition, but
none I have ever read were critical of the use of belief in that
context.

[fasgnadh]

Notice how none of the atheists can deal with the issue?
Let alone refute any of my points with rational argument! B^D

Take this weak prick for example:

On 29/12/2011 7:56 AM, steve knight wrote:

Oh look it's Fluffy, the atheist cults "Whorelord" Bwaaaaahaha

Big Bad Warlord Fluffy TALKS tough....

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

... but as soon as I ignored his empty bluster, mocked his
mindless abuse, and gave him as good as I got,
he ran crying to mummy:

# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Atheist Kooks: Sociopath shifts blame to others
# for their mistakes Re: A.A. Steve Knight checking in to Bellevue
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# Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:32:49 -0700
#
# FAQ pages for alt.atheism could land you in court.
#
# I reported you to Google abuse

And they ignored your pathetic whining, just like everyone
else does! B^]

# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA


Warlord? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are on record as a weak sook!

Google laughed at your attempt to SILENCE critics of atheism,
(because you sure-as-shit can't win any rational argument ;-),
and I and the rest of USENET are STILL LAUGHING!

> Are you

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA! B^D

The proof of your cowardice is here in this thread, you couldn't debate,
you couldn't refute a single fact, you snipped and ran:

> On 28/12/2011 10:00 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:

>>> On 28/12/2011 7:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>>>

>>>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kimjongil.jpg

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>>>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
>>>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,

>>>> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>>>>

>>>> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
>>>> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
>>>> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
>>>> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
>>>> materialism.
>>>>
>>>> "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>>>> over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>>>>
>>>> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
>>>> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>>>>
>>>> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>>>>
>>>> http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-IN-STATE.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim is Dead" - God B^D
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Mao is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Lenin is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Stalin is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Atheism is a feeble joke.

>>>
>>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>

>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>>

>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>>

>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>> sense of gratitude.
>>
>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>>

>> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
>> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.

So, atheists have nothing to say in their defence!

The reason is that they can't mount a rational argument.

What CAN you do, 'Warlord' Limpdick?

> still having sex with the neighborhood dogs

Someone call the RSPCA, those poor animals cannot have
given their informed consent.


> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA

Boring
Atheist
Arseholes
Wanking
Away




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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)



http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

[Loirbaj]

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 7:00 AM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>
>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>
> Are you referring to the crowned heads ruling by divine right?

No, of course not, the claim by kings that they rule by "Divine Right"
was a claim made by men, in their own political interests, not by God.

If you simpletons buy that without question then you deserve to
be led by the nose!

> They are a bit hard to find these days.

Primitive Feudal societies evolved into modern democratic states,
in every case this was the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations!
Churches, synagogues and Mosques were the centres of learning...
and of medicine, charity, good works.

No one has ever heard of an atheist school or hospital in those
centuries in which human society evolved from it's primitive brutality
to modern tolerance and human rights.

That long struggle was carried by the great religious scientists,
thinkers, philosophers, doctors and teachers.

History shows that every great and enduring civilisation was developed
by the followers of the great religious teachers.

And they claim to be inspired by God.

Why won't you atheists ever look at the historical evidence in a
balanced way?

The only OPENLY AVOWED ATHEIST governments in human history have ALL
been totalitarian tyrannies - The Union of Savage Slaughter and
Repression (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution,
Pol Pot's genocidal madness and the only remaining Atheist State,
your North Korean comrades.

pffft! Neither History, nor time, are on your side.

>>
>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>
> Every single free, open, democratic state was founded by people
> rejecting rulers and governments claiming a divine right to rule.

Religious people, who rejected the blasphemy that Kings could
==========
speak for God, when those God chose to speak for him were
a Carpenter, an illiterate rug merchant, an abandoned child.

The simple test of truth is that the words of Jesus, Mohammed, Moses
and the others still resonate with MILLIONS of people, guiding their
moral behaviour.. while all the Kings are dust.

Take the USA, they rejected the "Divine Right of Kings" heresy,
instituted, not by Jesus, but by the Kings who perverted his teachings
and his church, and instituted a free, open secular democracy which
printed "In GOD we Trust" on it's money! B^D

In other words, the entire shift from MEDIEVAL European monarchies
to Modern Secular Democracies was the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
SOCIETIES, who evolved from a primitive hierarchical feudal paradigm
to one in which the freedom of EVERY believer (and even the tiny,
ineffectual minority of non-believers) was guaranteed.

It was NOT the work of atheists! B^]

All atheist governments ever managed to build was tyrannical shitholes,
Lenin and Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pot's genocidal regression
to the stone age, North Korea, where famine leads the desperate populace
to EAT GRASS! 8^o

You can't ignore the evidence of history.

Even after centuries of attempts to erode the religious majority
who built and sustained the USA, the atheists have only increased
their proportion of the US population from a feeble 0.4% in 2001 to a
pathetic 0.7% in 2008 (ARIS) ! B^D

The replacement of primitive feudal government with modern democratic
ones is the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES!

Atheism has never produced a SINGLE decent democracy, let alone
a great and enduring civilisation.

>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>> sense of gratitude.
>
> I'm extremely grateful that enlightened peoples all over the world have
> rejected theocracy.

You don't seem to grasp history very well. The USA fought a war
against the Crown, not the Church.


Further, it was enlightened RELIGIOUS people who rejected theocracy
at every step, and instituted secular democracies which prevented the
persecution of ANY believers (freedom of religious thought), not atheists.

The Atheist states, even though they occurred in the MODERN(sic) era,
invariably PERSECUTED believers and oppressed free thought and belief:

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire atheist State apparatus;

The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda,
even the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
- John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)

In the thousands of years of human social evolution,
guided by spiritual teachings, there have of course
been times when tyrants distorted, misrepresented and
perverted the divine teachings for their own purposes,
falsely claimed to be acting under God's blessing, even when they
were flagrantly breaching his Laws.. but these are aberrations,
vastly outweighed by the positive influence of CIVILISING values
and principles which have guided us to this point.

Atheism has never built a single decent democratic state..
EVERY atheist state has been a totalitarian TYRANNY.

Q.E.D.

>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>
> Maybe theists would not get their fingers burned if they kept them out
> of government.

WTF are you blathering about? The murderous atheist tyrants
who killed over 60,000,000 people in the 20th century were
AVOWED ATHEISTS, nothing to do with theists.

The Theists, eg those from the country which prints "In God We Trust"
on it's money, won.

Suck it up. B^]

>> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
>> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.
>
> And how are the theocracies doing these days?

You think that by comparing the massive atheist failures
with an (unspecified) 'worst case' theocratic model (whic you
haven't even offered an example of for examination and discussion)
will make every atheist regime in history look better? B^p

That's a piss weak attempt to claim the theocratic EXCEPTION
to the successful majority religious societies I have cited
outweighs the disgraceful atheist NORM: viz - EVERY atheist
state in human history has been a totalitarian shithole!

Those atheist states have killed more people in seven decades
than all the deaths caused "in the Name of" religion in History.

> Any left outside the muslim world?

Is weak rhetorical questions all you have for an argument?

Let's take a brief look at the LARGEST Muslim nation on the planet
and run a test for theocracy, (because you have failed to provide
ANY real evidence, and seem to rely on insinuation, the hallmark
of ignorance and prejudice):

Indonesia, > 200,000,000 Muslims.

Please demonstrate how they are a theocracy, in your view.


I have argued a rational thesis using mainstream history.

Let me summarise, it may help you to understand:

The USSR failed, and millions, freed from atheist oppression,
turned to God. Of course their society had been completely
fucked by the atheist tyrants for 70 years, so it is damaged and
will take time to heal

The USA still with it's majority religious society and "In God
We Trust" survived the Totalitarian states of the twentieth century.

China, after the massive failure of Mao's Great Leap Backwerd,
reformed it's constitution to allow greater religious freedom,
and began to prosper. Can you join the dot's? B^D



"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."

http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html


"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."

"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm



"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm


"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)

"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.

The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm

Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA


# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D




>
> JAM

[Loirbaj]

DAMN you all to Hell and back,
Fearless Fasgnadh for holding the
atheists' feet to the fire. Next you'll be
pointing out that Insane Obama has
merely overturned moderate govts and
instituted hyper-radical Muslim regimes,
that Insane Obama has signed ALL the
identical Halliburton contracts as Bush,
that he has actually begun FOUR more
Wars than Bush (while given Peace Prize).
And that Obama will absolutely go to war
with Iran and will sign the Keystone Pipeline.

[Les Hellawell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:56:40 -0800 (PST), Loirbaj
<Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

>Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.

If that makes you happy go for it.

You might even manage to convince yourself if you
try hard enough and do not look at all the more
recent statistics

If you ask nicely your err 'friend' Chaff might
give you some.

BTW ask him how mnay atheists there were in
the world in 1900.

Thanks for the laugh this dull morning :-)

Atheists are not responsible for the actions of Christianity.


Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The county of broad Acres

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:32:27 -0800 (PST), sarge
<grease...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 29 Dec, 06:02, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:34:53 -0800 (PST), sarge
>>
>> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On 28 Dec, 19:03, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
>>
>> >> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> >> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> >> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>> >> >The buddha was an atheist.
>>
>> >> So's the Christian god.
>>
>> >Not sure if this is ironic or not, but I would assume not.  He would
>> >believe in his own existence.
>>
>> No belief, he'd KNOW that he existed.  He'd have no BELIEF in any god.
>
>Knowledge is a subset of beliefs.

Knowledge is orthogonal to belief.
--
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.
But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made
them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" - John Adams, letter
to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

[fasgnadh]

DonH couldn't refute a single point:
> "fasgnadh"<fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:xIAKq.952$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

>>
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>

>> ---------
>>
>> alt.atheism FAQ:
>>
>> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>>
>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "We must combat religion"
>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>> the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>>
>>
>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>> - Lenin
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
>
>

> # Well, well, fangnasher is back, with more fulminations about atheist
> tyranny -

We see how you atheists respond;

> ignoring or condoning

or trying to change the subject:

> the many theocratic tyrannies which did, or do, exist.
> What is his argument,

It's there above, so, naturally, the atheists ignore it,
because they cannot disprove the facts, and misrepresent it,
so they can demolish their own straw man: (it's all they are capable of)

> as he addresses all atheists, in universal condemnation?

No, only those responsible for the atheist terror in those atheist
tyrannies are responsible, and those of you who act as their apologists
make yourselves complicit.

> All Communists are Atheists.

Correct. It was necessary to be an atheist to be a Party Member.

All the members of the Politburo and Central Committees of The USSR,
Maoist China, Pol Pots Khmer Rouge and the North Korean Junta
were atheists.
> You are an Atheist.

No, I am an agnostic.

> Hence, You are a Communist.

Oh dear, the poor dimwit demonstrates his complete lack of logic.

"All communists are atheists" does NOT mean
"all atheists are communists"

> - which conveniently ignores the many atheists who are not communists.
> Yes, North Korea has all the attributes of a Dogmatic Religion,

Rubbish, as the US State Department and the CIA explain, it's an
atheist regime which bans RELIGIONS and persecutes believers.
In response to the criticism of it's constant abuse of such basic human
rights, it fabricated a state psuedo-religion so it's propaganda tools,
including their atheist supporters in alt.atheism could say "see, it
allows (a) religion"

Complete twaddle, transparent to the world community and swallowed
only by North Korean's comrades, lying atheists like DonHandjob,
who is their willing dupe

> and acts accordingly.

quite so.

Having delivered that weak fabrication on behalf of the
North Korean atheists, DonH has little to offer but pointless blather:

> In addition, it also has some tinge of Monarchy, as the New Leader is
> third in an hereditary line of succession (except youngest son, not eldest).
> The belligerent TV newsreader has been replaced by an equally-absurd
> weeping newsreader.
> We may assume that those who first stop weeping in the crowds lining
> the funeral route are in danger or being thought revisionists or disloyal -
> like those who first stopped clapping when applauding Stalin.

Don then reflects on his twaddle by stating the obvious:

> However, none of this proves or disproves the existence of God,

No one but atheists have claimed in this thread that it did!

But DonH is here accepting the position of us agnostics..
the existence of God has not been conclusively proven, and
cannot, logically, be disproven.. so he finally appears to be growing
out of infantile atheism.

> gods, or goddesses - as this needs
> empirical and historic research, not dogmatic
> dictate.
> God is conspicuous by his absence in the modern world,

He sure kicked atheist arse in the great atheist tyrannies of the 20th
century! B^D

The USSR collapsed, Maoist China was so dysfunctional they
reformed their constitution to allow religious beliefs, and have
subsequently enjoyed economic growth and over 300,000,000 new believers.
c.f, the U.S. and Europe, which have seen growth in atheist numbers,
and decline in economic progress.


> and chanting from holy texts proves nothing - except that

it correlates with civilisation, whereas Every atheist state has been
a totalitarian tyranny.. yet atheists losers persist, proving that

> Homo Sapiens is, indeed, the Mad Ape.
> Has "fasgnadh" stopped dithering,

I never started and have never wavered from my firm and clearly stated
position...


> as an agnostic,

correct, and if even that dimwitted and false atheist tool can freely
admit it, then my position as an agnostic is clear and unequivocal.

> and finally admitted his atheism?

That's patently absurd and completely inane.

We agnostics are not dithering, we simply adopt the default rational
position. Theists have not conclusively proven the existence of God,
although the consistent success of civilisations that acknowledge God,
and abject failure of 100% of atheist states is strong evidence,
and atheists cannot logically disprove the existence of God.

> In afraid that, in Iran, no such fine distinction would be made.

I'm unafraid, and unsurprised that the only lines you run are
those of the North Korean atheist state's propaganda wing and
the Iranian theocracy. pfffft!

The country the atheist traitors reserve their contempt for is the
free, open, secular democracy built by a tolerant RELIGIOUS majority
which prints "In God We Trust" on it's money and guarantees freedoms
even to the atheists who promote the propaganda lies of it's enemies.

Shame on you. When will you ever develop simple honesty, decency and
some gratitude for the majority religious society which gives you succour?


--

[JohnN]

On Dec 28, 3:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual
> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues!   B^D
>
> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
> materialism.
>
>    "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>     over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>
>        -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>
> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>
> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>
>        "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>

> http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jon...

>
>        "Kim is Dead" - God     B^D
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
>        "Mao is Dead" - God
>
> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>
>        "Lenin is Dead" - God
>
> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>
>        "Stalin is Dead" - God
>
>     .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>
> Atheism is a feeble joke.
>
> ---------
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>

> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...

>
>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    "We must combat religion"
>        -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   “Down with religion and long live atheism;
>    the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>       - Lenin
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...

I notice that none of the Christian Cults are claiming their version
of Teh God killed Kim. Do you know why? Kim was on a train at the
time,in an iron chariot. We all know the score for Bible God v Iron
Chariots.

JohnN

[DonH]

"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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# "In God We Trust" replaced "E Pluribus Unum" (the secular slogan, and
superior), due to pressure from religionists - as first step in a theocratic
agenda, we assume.
Agnosticism was coined by Thomas Henry Huxley, as a more acceptable term
to the Establishment of the 1800s, as distinct from Atheism, which reeked of
cloth caps, clay pipes, and hobnail boots.
Agnostics claim a God is unknown and unknowable, in spite of all gods
and goddesses being historic in origin, evolving from Father, to
Leader(Lord), King, God-King, to Cosmic Creator, aided by a ban on graven
images (of Old Man of the Tribe), and mysticism.
Yes, a cosmic deity may exist, but is just as likely to be a sadistic,
green-eyed monster, all claws and tentacles, who has our whole cosmos as a
drop of pond water under its microscope.
You'd better pray you never meet it.
After all, it designed a world where most Life preys on other Life
(Nature, red in tooth and claw), and while the Anthropomorphic God in our
own image may be a stern old man who can be appeased, the Monster God would
probably stamp on us microbes, rather than grant us Eternal Life in Heaven.
We are not agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden - only
about "God".

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 2:59 PM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
> On 29/12/2011 1:10 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> Christopher "Drill Chuck" Lee snipped and ran from the truth:
>> < Unsnip>
>>> On 28/12/2011 10:00 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>>>>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>>>
>
> What happened?

I see you are in your usual state of clueless stupor.

> I thought

You posts show no evidence in support of that belief.

Come back when you have some.

Seon's position on Spirits and the immaterial:

# From: "seon" <se...@notmyrealaddress.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.bible,
# aus.religion,alt.politics.republicans,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
# Subject: Re: Seon finally finds a Guru to match his own intellect
# - a toaster ! B^D Re: Atheist states, the lowest form of
# government humans have devised.
# Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:04:07 +1000
# Message-ID: <4a73a2c4$0$9734$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>
#
# I prefer to get my information from actual spirit guides,
# you know advanced souls who have crossed over and guide us
# in our day to day life and help us write the life scripts
# for this life and choose our bodies and family etc.


# From: Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com>
# Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:26:42 +1100
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: To the religious people trolling this group
# Message-ID: <efqdnRZq3NBqQGbT...@westnet.com.au>
#
# It's sad to see a grown man believe his
# imaginary friend is so real.

See that Seon? It's called evidence.

When I tell people about your inane self-contradiction, I provide
PROOF, using your own words, providing citations so people can check
the original posts and confirm what a confused fuckwit you are.

This contrasts with your unfounded lies and slander, you never have any
proof of your calumny, you are a complete lightweight, no wonder you
became a propaganda tool for the atheists:

> you got tierd of getting your arse kicked by
> atheists so you ran away like a little coward. In our last debate you
> made some pretty bad slandar against me for being anti war and I came up
> with some good arguments but you ran away. So I won.

Seon, you are a brilliant thinker, master tactician and
invincible opponent...

...in your own mind.

Unfortunately, that leaves little room for any other thoughts.

# From: "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Religion is a lie
# Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:38:42 +1000
# Message-ID: <xLSdnev2YsbGbo_R...@westnet.com.au>
#
# My only regret is most people here have plonked me,
# if only I had realized that before making an arse of myself.

I see nothing much has changed in this sheltered workshop for
atheist 'tards in the 12 months since I left it in ruins:

# Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:28:30 +1100
# From: Seon Ferguson <seo...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: To the religious people trolling this group
# Message-ID: <sNidnXjyv6uvTmfT...@westnet.com.au>
#
# > On Dec 27, 6:08 pm, Seon Ferguson<seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
# >
# >> Since most of the atheists will have blocked me this
# >> goes out to the religious and those tolerant atheists
# >> who have actually put up with my crap over the years.

There you go Seon, proof that at least TWICE in your life
you have shown some self-awareness, accepted that you post CRAP
and that people ignore you (unless it's fawning atheists, desperate
to make a conversion, even if they are seducing the gullible and
simple-minded).

>>>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>>>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>>>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>
> Because if atheists spoke out against the church they would be burnt
> alive as heratics.

So your explanation for the complete absence of any atheist civilisation
and the clear correlation between great and enduring civilisations and
the Spiritual Teachings which are clearly their
foundational beliefs, is that those civilisations suppressed atheism,
even though the fact is that the ONLY tolerant, democratic nations
in which all beliefs, including atheism, are guaranteed are those
built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, eg the USA, Australia,
Europe, India, Indonesia, etc..
and it is in EVERY atheist state - the Union of Savage Slaughter and
Repression, Mao's Great Leap Backward, Pol Pot's genocidal horrorshow,
North Korea, et al that belief is BRUTALLY REPRESSED:

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg

#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

Clearly the biggest problem for atheism is not occasional persecution
in ancient times, but what happened when atheists themselves were
in power, and created regimes far more brutal than any religion.

Q.E.D.

> That does not prove atheism wrong.

http://pics.schwippy.com/forums/images/head_up_ass.jpg

>>>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>>>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>>>>
>
> And neather did religion.

Google Search "Judeao Christian Civilisation"
About 1,530,000 results (0.13 seconds)

Google Search "Hindu Civilisation"
About 17,100,000 results (0.21 seconds


Google Search "Islamic Civilisation"
About 8,290,000 results (0.28 seconds

Google Search "Buddhist Civilisation"
About 25,200,000 results (0.21 seconds)


It's clear atheists maintain their ignorant beliefs by
simply pretending the evidence does not exist.

http://pics.schwippy.com/forums/images/head_up_ass.jpg

>>>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>>>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>>>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>>>> sense of gratitude.
>>>>
>
>>>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>>>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>>>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>>>>
> That is an Argumentum ad Hominem argument, by pointing out the negative
> things done by people who happen to be atheist and try to say it debunks
> atheism.

You mean I can't cite the fact that EVERY atheist regime has been
a totalitarian tyranny because you confuse evidence with ad hom.

And you can't cite a single counter example, not even a single
successful atheist civilisation in all of human history because...?

because ...?

because THERE ARE NONE.


Seon, when will you, and all the other deluded atheist nutters
ever pull your heads from your arses and take a look at REALITY?

B^]

Q.E.D.

> How exactly does the fact that atheists, who are also
> communists, prove that atheists are wrong and there is a God.

You actually think that evidence that atheism has been a catastrophic
cluster fuck every time it has been elevated to power and influence
is not only an argument proving it's TOTAL AND UTTER BANKRUPTCY,
but also an argument for the existence of God?

Good point.

I was only making the former point, thanks for suggesting the logical
conclusion.

> Granted you can't disprove religion

clearly not. It exists.

the best you can do, and you have tried it here because it's
all you have, is to IGNORE the centuries of social, political,
scientific, economic, cultural and philosophical progress
attributable to those religious civilisations which dominate
human history, and yet focus on the atypical aberrations, i.e.
looking ONLY at the warts, not the remarkable body on which they sit.

Here's the clincher demolishing your narrow minded and irrational
bigotry; in just 7 decades, the atheist TYRANNIES, the ONLY states
ever produced by atheism, killed over 60,000,000 people, far more
that ANY religion, lets examine your tiny set of verifiable examples,
ALL of them transient EXCEPTIONS to the MILLENNIA of progress and
development in those religious civilisations:

> by pointing to the Crusades,

1. How many dead?

2. what percentage of the thousands of years of Christian civilisation
did the Crusades occupy?

3. If that was a "religious war" rather than the medieval
equivalent of Bush's attack on Iraq looking for imaginary WMD's
how come they pillaged and killed more in Europe, on their way
to the Holy land, where Muslims, Jews and Christians were
living together in peace?

> witch burnings,

1. How many dead? What can't you present a single fact?

It numbered in the thousands, not the tens of millions of dead
in atheist regimes.

When it comes to atheism, comparisons are odious! B^p

> inqusision,

Again, numbered in the thousands, not the tens
of millions of dead in atheist regimes.

When it comes to atheism, comparisons are odious! B^p


> oppression, religious wars,

not specific incidences, Places? Dates? Numbers?

No one can verify figments of your imagination.

> 911,

Terrorism is forbidden in the Koran.

It's a political struggle, as Bin Ladin has admitted,
the goal is to get US troops and weapons out of Saudi Arabia

> 7/7 and all the other evils done

Where are your supporting facts?

>in it's name

So if I kill you "in the name of atheism" then atheism is to blame???!?

pffffft!

This is the central fallacy of the atheist argument.

The tiny minority of Islamofascist terrorists, or the IRA,
who kill 'in the name of' religion, are acting in DIRECT VIOLATION
of the precepts, beliefs and commandments of their faiths.

They all have POLITICAL motives, but claim
religious affiliations to garner support among their
communities.

The vast majority of those genuinely religious communities
CONDEMN their violence and repudiate their claims to be
doing it as part of religious beliefs.

You can believe the religious majority, or you can believe
the lying, murderous terrorists.. no surprise that atheists,
whose states ALWAYS promote terror, believe the terrorists.

> as well. That doesn't prove there is no
> God but it doesn't prove there is one.

So, you have become an agnostic! B^]

>>>> And when you observe their responses, in this and other threads,
>>>> you can see why atheism has never amounted to anything.
>> <end unsnip>
>
>

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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:28:52 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>On Dec 28, 1:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill
>
>Oh, horseshit. If "global atheism" had a leader, it was George
>Carlin.

Up until the end, when he started getting morbid. My wife walked out
on one of his last performances (as did about 2/3 of the audience). I
stuck it out to the bitter end, but it wasn't worth the pain, watching
what wasn't even the shell of Carlin.
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush

[Colanth]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:00:10 -0500, Frank Galikanokus
<FrankGal...@nospam.net> wrote:

>fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>> > Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>>

>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>

>Are you referring to the crowned heads ruling by divine right? They are

>a bit hard to find these days.

Maybe he's referring to the red tinge that exists in the Middle East
as a remnant of the blood that "the religious" spilled there for
hundreds of years.

Or the dearth of the native population of the New World that "the
religious" sent to see God, because they stood in the way of all that
silver. (The "religious" Spanish mined so much of it - after killing
the natives - that it lost almost all of its value.)

>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.

>Every single free, open, democratic state was founded by people
>rejecting rulers and governments claiming a divine right to rule.

And the United States, to which I think he's referring, was founded as
NOT a Christian nation. (The law says so.)

>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>> sense of gratitude.

Europe? The states in which peasants were considered a few steps
beneath pigs and chickens by the Christian kings? (Kill a king's stag
and you got beheaded. Kill a king's peasant and everyone laughed.)

North America, where the natives were slaughtered by the Christian
Europeans?

Australia, a prison colony, needed because the previous one, North
America, SECULARLY rebelled against the crown? If the colonists had
been good THEISTS, we'd still be living in the colonies.

[Smiler]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:19:03 -0800, JohnN wrote:

> On Dec 28, 3:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<Snip Fagsnads' bullshit>

>
> I notice that none of the Christian Cults are claiming their version
> of Teh God killed Kim. Do you know why? Kim was on a train at the
> time,in an iron chariot. We all know the score for Bible God v Iron
> Chariots.
>

Yep. Iron Chariots 1, BibleGod 0.
BibleGod is too wimpy to play a return match.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 12:10 PM, Jim Austin wrote:
> On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>
>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...
>>
>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,...
>
> This would be the wisdom of humility, meekness, servility,
> submissiveness,

Well Jim, thanks for sharing with us YOUR idea of wisdom, although
it seems a bit on the docile doormat side of submissive slaves and
supine sychophants, if you ask me. Are all of your family limp-wristed
cake-boys, or just you?

Still it's refreshing to see one of you claiming (rather broadly and
without any evidence) that religions produce too much passivity, while
most of the atheists argue the opposite.

It's funny, really, because the spiritual texts of the major religions
are quite specific about what they regard as virtues, and while violence
is eschewed, Jesus in the Temple, overthrowing the moneylenders tables,
and Mohammed's military response to the persecution of the nascent
Islamic community in Mecca and Medina
suggest a slightly more muscular response, when confronted by violence
and injustice, which threaten the community.

> pacifism

I wish you blokes would make up your mind; the other atheists have
been claiming that religion is one long string of violent acts, the
Crusades, Inquisition, Holy Wars.. and that the reason there are no
atheist civilisations is that they were all cowering in fear of
these aggressive Christians and Muslims and Buddhists, and yet here you
are claiming the religious were all spineless pussies!

I guess you guys just can't decide to tell which 'exaggeration'(lie) to
spin on any particular occasion. B^]


It is true Jesus is often referred to as the prince of Peace, and that
Islam introduced Laws of War based on negotiated settlements, chivalry
and Mercy.. but the sensible context always included the right to
protect the community, if necessary with just force.

Naturally there have been occasions in history where idiots and
those of evil intent have stupidly or deliberately misinterpreted
what is a very BALANCED credo, to justify their greed, political
ambitions, power seeking or simple lust for revenge.

We all know the examples where people CLAIMING to be followers of a
religion ignore it's laws and principles and do harm to others.
Sensible people note that the vast majority of people in those faiths
condemn and repudiate acts of criminal violence, wars of aggression,
acts of terror, which are forbidden by every religion.

Better to have the laws, occasionally breached by wrongdoers, than
atheism, which has no moral or philosophical restraints on violence,
as the world has witnessed in EVERY atheist state, where brutality,
oppression, persecution, fear and despair ruled.

That's why the religions produced great and enduring civilisations,
with occasional aberrations, while EVERY atheist state was a horrific
aberration, and no civilisations were ever produced.

> and the divine right of kings and dictators.
>
>> ...and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>
> We've been through this before.

But while you attribute every wrongdoing thing done 'in the name
of religion', even if by an atypical minority, to ALL religions.
while you won't acknowledge any crimes committed by atheists,
even though EVERY atheist state was a totalitarian tyranny, EVERY
member of the ruling coven of tyrants was an atheist, more were killed
than by any religion in history, and atheist states have never produced
a single decent democracy to offset the horrors.

Everyone can see how prejudiced your views are, you damn others
for acts committed by anyone claiming to be part of a religious
community, and make excuses for the only kind of states atheism
has ever produced; murderous tyrannies.

> Atheism is not a defining feature of communism,

Horseshit! Every member of the Politburo and
Central Committee of the USSR and Maoist China, which together
killed over 60,000,000 people, (far more than any religion) was
an ATHEIST.

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

> not withstanding what commies themselves may say.

Their policies were not just STATED, you imbecile, they were IMPLEMENTED
in the BLOOD OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS!!!

# But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
# but of the entire atheist State apparatus;
#
# The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
# the Red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
# every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
# and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
#
# “We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
# WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
# -Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
#
# “Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
# and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#

# "Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
#
# "Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
# In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
# 3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
# Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
# in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
#
# - John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
# (Boston: Little Brown, 1953)

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#

# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:

# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,

# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."

Go fuck yourself, you apologist for Atheist Mass Murder! B^[

> Rather communism is the belief in the economic system
>defined in the Bible, specifically Acts II:44-45, IV:
> 34-35.

Complete and utter bullshit.

>
> <Snip>

You can't face a rational argument because you can't make one.

Run along lightweight, and stop wasting our time.

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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”

[Olrik]

Still denying you lack of belief in Thor, "fasgnadh"?

[Enoch Turner]

On Dec 28, 3:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.

Yes, he was the Deity or symbol of atheism. Just like I hear that
Buddha is yours. Or is it Ganeshi, or Manitou? or Zeus? Perhaps
L. Ron Hubbard? Maybe Joseph Smith of the Mormons? Perhaps like
Prince from the rock and roll days, he's a Jehovah you know.

I don't know. Your Gods are confusing. My god is clearly
atheist. We even have a secular church called most governments in
the free world, where other people can attend and vote!

I like your idea of persecuting people who don't believe in a God!
But if I said that I was a denizen of the Greek or Roman Gods, you
would probably hate my guts.

And that's what religion is all about, those who have faith in your
personal God, or not.

Atheists are intolerant to you, but all you do is troll, troll,
troll. Looking to pick a fight.

How religious of you.


Why not tell us how you contribute to your society? Why not engage
people in the benefits of how good it is to be you? Why not stop the
attacks?

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 7:53 PM, Loirbaj wrote:

> DAMN you all to Hell and back,
> Fearless Fasgnadh for holding the
> atheists' feet to the fire.

1. There is no Hell, apart from that which mankind makes for itself,
as every atheist state demonstrates.

2. I tell atheists the uncomfortanle truth, they are free to run away
and hide, as you all see them doing here.

I have no need to burn them, they have already self-combusted

National politics, in case you haven't noticed, is increasingly
irrelevant to the big issues facing mankind, and party politics
is the most irrelevant of all:

> Next you'll be
> pointing out that Insane Obama has
> merely overturned moderate govts and
> instituted hyper-radical Muslim regimes,
> that Insane Obama has signed ALL the
> identical Halliburton contracts as Bush,
> that he has actually begun FOUR more
> Wars than Bush (while given Peace Prize).
> And that Obama will absolutely go to war
> with Iran and will sign the Keystone Pipeline.

I have no brief to defend Obama, but he inherited
a poisoned chalice, all those Republican wars,
sub-prime mortgages, dodgy derivatives, a privatized
Pentagon, Gitmo, America shamed by torture, the American
economy in decline, burdened by debt and Bush's
Trillion Dollar war for Oil, ooops I mean WMD's, in Iraq.

It will take DECADES for the USA to recover and now
it is in the grip of political paralysis thanks to
tea-baggers who don't believe in guvmint, being in guvmint!

pfffft!

At this moment the USA has lost it's way.

I have faith it will recover, it has great spiritual
roots to draw on.. Obama once showed he can tap them,
but who is really listening among all the hysterical
screeching of the Fearful?

God Bless America, may she come back chastened and
proudly take her place as the second most powerful nation,
and a singular beacon of free thought and belief, in the world.

As America has lost faith, (especially among the faithful,
so damaged by the Holy Rollers and Snake oil Salesmen),
it has begun a necessary political, economic and military decline.

You cannot have 5% of the global population consuming 25% of it's oil.


Or dictating to other nations, and undermining global order,
as if it is an Imperial power. Iraq ended the moral authority
of the USA to play Sheriff. From now on it will have to STRENGTHEN
the UN to ensure global security, not over-ride it. Pity they
hadn't started to strengthen collective security BEFORE China's
dominance began.

For there to be peace for our children, Living standards in Africa must
rise, and we must learn to live with less. Peak oil is already passed.
Nuclear power is Fukishima'd and fusion is still 25 years away, just
like it was 25 years ago.

Ever since China abandoned the atheist excesses of the Maoist madness,
reformed it's constitution to allow greater freedom of thought and
belief, and reformed it's economy to a hybrid, guided market model
it has seen an explosion of creative energy, over 300,000,000
new believers, and a powerhouse economy.
And China, still suffering from the psychic break caused by the
cultural devolution, sorely needs to encourage the development
of spiritual values, to create a more JUST and COMPASSIONATE
society. And we all better hope they do, because our future
depends on them being MORE LIKE JESUS, than Lenin, Stalin or Mao!!!

Globally, atheism is in decline. It's 20th century political leaders
have been despatched, now it's dead hand on the human spirit needs to be
loosened.

[Enoch Turner]

On Dec 30, 12:14 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29/12/2011 12:10 PM, Jim Austin wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>
> >>http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...
>
> >> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> >> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual
> >> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,...
>
> > This would be the wisdom of humility, meekness, servility,
> > submissiveness,
>
> Well Jim, thanks for sharing with us YOUR idea of wisdom, although
> it seems a bit on the docile doormat side of submissive slaves and
> supine sychophants, if you ask me.  Are all of your family limp-wristed
> cake-boys, or just you?
>

Your idea of wisdom is that of a cheap know-nothing cleric, remarkably
similar to a radical Muslim cleric who usually preaches hate, warps
the word of the Qur'an. Or perhaps you're more like Pastor Phelps of
the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas USA, who protests the funerals
of brave American soldiers, insulting their values and those of their
bereaved families by acting as you do here.

From what I gather, your vision is that Osama Bin Laden's or the
Taliban's radical idea of Islamic repugnance, is better than having no
faith in a sky pilot at all. And that is simply disgusting to all
people.

You have a psychological issue that begins with your perverse idea of
faith, and continues to how you are an attention whore, a lonely
attention whore who only posts the crap you do because you have
nothing else to do.

You are of no value to society.

[Enoch Turner]

On Dec 30, 12:14 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> #http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004

> # The Cambodian Genocide:http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millo...

>
> #
> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
> # were often killed.
> #
> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
> #
> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
> #        -  http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
> #
> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
> # because of their religion."

> #http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg

He rears his ugly head and preaches hate against his fellow man, while
claiming that those who use their free right to chose to have faith or
not, are evil.

He (or she) is a very bitter person. My guess is that the individual
does not attend a place of worship or act in the ways of his / her
faith at all. It's easy to tell. If you have read fasgnadh's post
over the past few years against people of free will who chose not to
have faith in God, Gods or Goddesses, he's spouts hate.

Probably Christian. Radical fundamentalist cross posting imbecile.

The worst kind.

"Out demon spirits! Out I say!"

LOL!

[Seon Ferguson]

Yeah I admit I not only had one imaginary friend, I had several.

> When I tell people about your inane self-contradiction, I provide
> PROOF, using your own words, providing citations so people can check
> the original posts and confirm what a confused fuckwit you are.
>

WAS

> This contrasts with your unfounded lies and slander, you never have any
> proof of your calumny, you are a complete lightweight, no wonder you
> became a propaganda tool for the atheists:
>

So because I was once deluded I'm always confused?

I did post crap, I can't believe I believed in that new Age crap. But I
was looking for clutches.

By the way I had a feeling you were looking at my post...

>>>>> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
>>>>> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
>>>>> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>>
>> Because if atheists spoke out against the church they would be burnt
>> alive as heratics.
>
> So your explanation for the complete absence of any atheist civilisation
> and the clear correlation between great and enduring civilisations and
> the Spiritual Teachings which are clearly their
> foundational beliefs, is that those civilisations suppressed atheism,
> even though the fact is that the ONLY tolerant, democratic nations
> in which all beliefs, including atheism, are guaranteed are those
> built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, eg the USA, Australia,
> Europe, India, Indonesia, etc..
> and it is in EVERY atheist state - the Union of Savage Slaughter and
> Repression, Mao's Great Leap Backward, Pol Pot's genocidal horrorshow,
> North Korea, et al that belief is BRUTALLY REPRESSED:
>

The USA and Australia are secular nations; we have a great atheist PM.
I actually researched the founding fathers and found out they were
Deists who saw that religions provided moral guidance for the population.

America is not a Christian nation, it is a country that gives it's
citizens freedoms which communist tyrannys do not give theirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India#Caste_and_social_status

Does that look like freedom?

As for Indonesia, they gave a piss weak sentance to the Bali Bomber
while giving someone 20 years for having drugs in her bags.

> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
> #
> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
> # religious freedom and practice."
> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
> # Characteristics and Consequences,
> # David Kowalewski,
> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
> #
> #

> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:

> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
> # instead of the family.
> #

It is bad when Buddhists are persecuted by communists AND Religious
people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Buddhists#Persecution_by_Muslims

> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,

> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."

> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
> #

Supported by Reagan, a "Christian"

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/UncleSam_PolPot.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html

http://www.media-criticism.com/Washington_Post_Pol_Pot_1998.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_rule_of_Cambodia#Aftermath

That is not a very well thought out response.

>>>>> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
>>>>> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>>>>>
>>
>> And neather did religion.
>
>
> Google Search "Judeao Christian Civilisation"
> About 1,530,000 results (0.13 seconds)
>

And how many credible sites?

> Google Search "Hindu Civilisation"
> About 17,100,000 results (0.21 seconds
>
>
> Google Search "Islamic Civilisation"
> About 8,290,000 results (0.28 seconds
>
> Google Search "Buddhist Civilisation"
> About 25,200,000 results (0.21 seconds)
>
>
> It's clear atheists maintain their ignorant beliefs by
> simply pretending the evidence does not exist.
>
> http://pics.schwippy.com/forums/images/head_up_ass.jpg
>
>

What evidence is there that God exists?

>
>>>>> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
>>>>> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
>>>>> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
>>>>> sense of gratitude.
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> And they have no shame about the series of failed totalitarian
>>>>> shitholes which are the only atheist states in 70,000 years of
>>>>> human history since Homo Sapiens emerged from Africa.
>>>>>
>> That is an Argumentum ad Hominem argument, by pointing out the negative
>> things done by people who happen to be atheist and try to say it debunks
>> atheism.
>
> You mean I can't cite the fact that EVERY atheist regime has been
> a totalitarian tyranny because you confuse evidence with ad hom.
>
> And you can't cite a single counter example, not even a single
> successful atheist civilisation in all of human history because...?
>
> because ...?
>
> because THERE ARE NONE.
>

That is right, they were no atheist regemes in history. They have been
communism who have used state atheism to control people.

>
> Seon, when will you, and all the other deluded atheist nutters
> ever pull your heads from your arses and take a look at REALITY?
>

When will you look at reality? ie the lack of evidence for religion.

> B^]
>
> Q.E.D.
>
> > How exactly does the fact that atheists, who are also
>> communists, prove that atheists are wrong and there is a God.
>
> You actually think that evidence that atheism has been a catastrophic
> cluster fuck every time it has been elevated to power and influence
> is not only an argument proving it's TOTAL AND UTTER BANKRUPTCY,
> but also an argument for the existence of God?
>
> Good point.
>
> I was only making the former point, thanks for suggesting the logical
> conclusion.
>

So how is it ana rgument against atheism? It is about as effictive as an
atheist pointing to all the suffering and wars caussed by religion.

>
>> Granted you can't disprove religion
>
> clearly not. It exists.
>

You can't prove religions claims, you can't prove the events of any
"Holy books" happened?

> the best you can do, and you have tried it here because it's
> all you have, is to IGNORE the centuries of social, political,
> scientific, economic, cultural and philosophical progress
> attributable to those religious civilisations which dominate
> human history, and yet focus on the atypical aberrations, i.e.
> looking ONLY at the warts, not the remarkable body on which they sit.
>
> Here's the clincher demolishing your narrow minded and irrational
> bigotry; in just 7 decades, the atheist TYRANNIES, the ONLY states
> ever produced by atheism, killed over 60,000,000 people, far more
> that ANY religion, lets examine your tiny set of verifiable examples,
> ALL of them transient EXCEPTIONS to the MILLENNIA of progress and
> development in those religious civilisations:
>

No they are produced by COMMUNISM they show COMMUNIST policies don't work.

> > by pointing to the Crusades,
>
> 1. How many dead?
>

Between 15 and 25,000 men. All because of Religion.

> 2. what percentage of the thousands of years of Christian civilisation
> did the Crusades occupy?
>

Well the Crusades don't really disprove religion anyway, it is terrible
but it's like blaming atheism for the crimes of atheists.

> 3. If that was a "religious war" rather than the medieval
> equivalent of Bush's attack on Iraq looking for imaginary WMD's
> how come they pillaged and killed more in Europe, on their way
> to the Holy land, where Muslims, Jews and Christians were
> living together in peace?
>
> > witch burnings,
>
> 1. How many dead? What can't you present a single fact?
>
> It numbered in the thousands, not the tens of millions of dead
> in atheist regimes.
>

It's still bad and women and children were still tortured or burnt alive.

> When it comes to atheism, comparisons are odious! B^p
>

Communism.

>> inqusision,
>
> Again, numbered in the thousands, not the tens
> of millions of dead in atheist regimes.
>

Do any of those things really debunk atheism or religion?

> When it comes to atheism, comparisons are odious! B^p
>
>
> > oppression, religious wars,
>
> not specific incidences, Places? Dates? Numbers?
>
> No one can verify figments of your imagination.
>
> > 911,
>
> Terrorism is forbidden in the Koran.
>

The Koran 4:34 says wife beating should be allowed if it is a last
resort, 5:51 says Muslims can't be friends with Christians and Jews and
those who commit autopsy in Islam are put to death.

Yes, the Koran says suicide is a sin and Allah hates transgressors but
it also encourages bigotry and intolerance, like the Bible.

> It's a political struggle, as Bin Ladin has admitted,
> the goal is to get US troops and weapons out of Saudi Arabia
>

Yeah that worked out really well didn't it, his fellow Muslims got
killed by American bombs and the government who protected him got removed.

> > 7/7 and all the other evils done
>
> Where are your supporting facts?
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

Two of the bombers made videotapes describing their reasons for becoming
what they called "soldiers". In a videotape broadcast by Al Jazeera on 1
September 2005, Mohammad Sidique Khan, described his motivation. The
tape had been edited and also featured al-Qaeda member — and future
leader — Ayman al-Zawahiri:[8]
“ I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe.
Our drive and motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that
this world has to offer. Our religion is Islam, obedience to the one
true God and following the footsteps of the final prophet messenger.
Your democratically-elected governments continuously perpetuate
atrocities against my people all over the world. And your support of
them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible
for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters. Until we
feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing,
gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this
fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the
reality of this situation.

Ok so Islam wasn't the only motivating factor you got me there.

>> in it's name
>
> So if I kill you "in the name of atheism" then atheism is to blame???!?
>
> pffffft!
>

So if tyrannical governments oppress people in the name of communism
atheists are to blame? That argument is stupid in both sides.

> This is the central fallacy of the atheist argument.
>
> The tiny minority of Islamofascist terrorists, or the IRA,
> who kill 'in the name of' religion, are acting in DIRECT VIOLATION
> of the precepts, beliefs and commandments of their faiths.
>
> They all have POLITICAL motives, but claim
> religious affiliations to garner support among their
> communities.
>
> The vast majority of those genuinely religious communities
> CONDEMN their violence and repudiate their claims to be
> doing it as part of religious beliefs.
>
> You can believe the religious majority, or you can believe
> the lying, murderous terrorists.. no surprise that atheists,
> whose states ALWAYS promote terror, believe the terrorists.
>
>
>
>> as well. That doesn't prove there is no
>> God but it doesn't prove there is one.
>
> So, you have become an agnostic! B^]
>

I guess, I am not convinced by atheists arguments but I have seen no
proof of God by religious arguments. I was looking for proof last night
(I admit I am a seeker) But come on, even you must laugh at the
conclusion this site gives http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ you could
fill the Christian God with any of the other God's and goddesses that
people believe in.

[fasgnadh]

Don Martin swaps notes with his Whorelord on atheist perversion:
> steve knight has been patiently waiting his turn:
>>
>> Are you still having sex with the neighborhood dogs?
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
...
>
> You have no idea how difficult those dogs are to
> catch a second time.

You are both barking mad.



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[Loirbaj]

Who do the deviants fear more:
Fasgnadh or Bill the Atheist Killer or
Loirbaj or US4Z or All Seeing or Jahnu
or Jon Young or Dave?

Your mere appearance, here, sends the
atheists into a turmoil, so you must be near
the top of their Most Feared list, Fasgnadh.

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 5:27 AM, Immortalist wrote:
> On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>
>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...
>>
>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,

>> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>>

>> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
>> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
>> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the brain-dead
>> ritual grief so typical of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
>> materialism.
>>
>> "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>> over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>>
>> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>>
>> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought, speech and
>> belief blithely ignored the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>>
>> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>>
>> "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>>

>> http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jon...

>>
>> "Kim is Dead" - God B^D
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>
>> "Mao is Dead" - God
>>
>> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>>
>> "Lenin is Dead" - God
>>
>> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>>
>> "Stalin is Dead" - God
>>
>> .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>
>> Atheism is a feeble joke.
>>
>

> The honest quest for a justifiable Theory of God includes atheists,
> believers and about everyone else.

What has that got to do with the horrors of atheist states under discussion?

> Your points amount to Red Herrings in that they bring up irrelevent
> facts about participant circumstances and parade them around as some
> sort of evidence for or against general theories of God.

Rubbish, you have the comprehension skills of a low IQ infant.

This is a thread about the horrors of ATHEIST STATES, it is not a
discussion on the pointless atheist beliefs about the non-existence of
God, something you can't prove, but believe anyway.

Please take your Red Herrings home with you and have them for dinner.

> Kims beliefs and actions are construed by yea as justification
> for your Theory of Atheism

Well I do think his actions are concrete evidence of the totalitarian
tyranny which his, and EVERY OTHER ATHEIST STATE in human history, have
been.

And you clearly can't dispute the fact, and so seek to change the
topic to a meaningless theoretical blatherfest you cannot win because
you cannot logically prove the non-existence of God, so keep your
irrelevant beliefs on the matter to yourself, otherwise you look like a
ranting atheist

> fool.

> Conclusion: you appear to not want to debate fairly
> about hypotheses amd theories.

I have just explained why your attempt to change the debate
from facts about atheist regimes, a reality which you cannot dispute, to
an absurd abstract argument for WHICH NO PROOF exists, is a facile
attempt to avoid the subject.

> A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic

The atheist obsession with debating some unprovable proposition
such as "God does not exist"

> is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue.

Which everyone can see was about the historical evidence of the
unmitigated horror which EVERY atheist state has been.

The only question is why you think you could get away with your
pathetic attempt to change the subject with YOUR Red Herring?

> The basic idea

We would not expect your ideas to be anything but basic...

> is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument
> and to another topic.

What made you think you could get away with it?

The original subject is right there in my post initiating the thread,
and your clumsy attempt to change the subject clearly followed AFTER
my thesis.. your hypocritical attempt to project YOUR scummy tactic
on to me merely exacerbates your intellectual and moral decrepitude.

What have you to say about your disgraceful behaviour?

> This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because
> merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument
> against a claim.

Of course it doesn't, and you never made the slightest attempt to
address the original subject.. clearly you, like all the other
atheists, fall silent and have nothing worthwhile to say when you are
faced with undeniable truth.

Where did you ever get the idea that you could pull off such a
grubby scam, when you clearly lack the IQ or the skill to finesse it?

> http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html


Run along now, I have no more time to waste on lightweights.

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 9:00 AM, Michael Gordge wrote:

> On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,
>

> Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
> about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
> was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
> to be seen or heard from again?
>
> MG

Sorry, you want me to comment on what you mumbling morons talk about???

That's of no interest to me whatsoever.

--

[fasgnadh]

On 30/12/2011 4:40 PM, Olrik wrote:

> Still denying you lack of belief in Thor, "fasgnadh"?

Still incapable of reading, let alone comprehending, let alone
responding rationally to, the ideas of others, Oily?

Still trying to protect your Nth Korean atheist Comrades by snipping
any posts that condemn that atheist shithole, eh Oily?

You seemed to have missed the message, you lying sack of shit:

>> Go fuck yourself, you apologist for Atheist Mass Murder! B^[

BTW I don't "deny you lack of belief in Thor", as you so inarticulately
babbled, the Norsemen believed he was the god of thunder, do you have
any proof they didn't?

You never could put a post together without making a fool of yourself,
no matter how short you made them:


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still refuses to
admit it.


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
#
# It'd be the right thing to do.


# From: JayPee Vee <jaype...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.

Olrik doubts his own lies: B^D

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Subject: Re: Is fasgnadh a muslim? Sure looks like it!
# Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:03:55 -0400
# Message-ID: <huv0vq$kub$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
#
# Unlike fasgnadh, I do not support and cheer a religion

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

Unlike Fasgnadh, you cant post without revealing what a complete,
self-contradicting fuckwit you are.

Why do you atheist dimwits think you can escape the facts you can't
dispute simply by snipping them and talking shite?

# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.

Olrik always self-destructs when I push his. B^]

[Pelican]

"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:RceLq.932$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

> On 29/12/2011 9:00 AM, Michael Gordge wrote:
>> On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,
>>
>> Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
>> about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
>> was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
>> to be seen or heard from again?
>>
>> MG
>
> Sorry, you want me to comment on what you mumbling morons talk about???
>
> That's of no interest to me whatsoever.

A very quick white flag.

[Molo]

On Dec 30, 3:00 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29/12/2011 9:00 AM, Michael Gordge wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> >> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,
>
> > Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
> > about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
> > was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
> > to be seen or heard from again?
>
> > MG
>
> Sorry, you want me to comment on what you mumbling morons talk about???
>
> That's of no interest to me whatsoever.
>

Wow!

I'm familiar with Michael Gordge posting, and though I don't see eye-
to-eye with Michael, he's more like you than like me. And you're
dissing him.

Do you have any friends or acquaintances in life, or on Usenet?

And Michael, I wouldn't dare to compare you with this asshole.

No way.

[fasgnadh]

Enoch Turner appears to be unhinged by the loss of his Supreme Leader:

> On Dec 30, 12:14 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29/12/2011 12:10 PM, Jim Austin wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>
>>>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...
>>
>>>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
>>>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
>>>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,...
>>
>>> This would be the wisdom of humility, meekness, servility,
>>> submissiveness,
>>
>> Well Jim, thanks for sharing with us YOUR idea of wisdom, although
>> it seems a bit on the docile doormat side of submissive slaves and
>> supine sychophants, if you ask me. Are all of your family limp-wristed
>> cake-boys, or just you?
>>
>
>
> Your idea of wisdom is that of a cheap know-nothing cleric,

I haven't shared my idea of wisdom, I commented on Jim sharing his.

Are you part of his family, perchance? There is a marked similarity in
your total inability to address what is said to you, and instead to
construct a feeble straw man of your own feeble imagination and then
flay it to death with the limp lettuce leaf of your 'intellect': viz:

> remarkably similar to a radical Muslim cleric who usually preaches hate, warps
> the word of the Qur'an. Or perhaps you're more like Pastor Phelps of
> the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas USA, who protests the funerals
> of brave American soldiers, insulting their values and those of their
> bereaved families by acting as you do here.

I don't recall saying a damn thing about their families,
yours however, is clearly the product of long term inbreeding.

If you could get one of the banjo pluckers to accompany your
mindless stream of consciousness rant you could probably get the
novelty spot on MTV.


> From what I gather,

you really should try reading peoples posts and at least ATTEMPTING
to glean some understanding of what was said, rather than sniff the
ether and consult entrails for an omen.

> your vision is that Osama Bin Laden's or the
> Taliban's radical idea of Islamic repugnance, is better than having no
> faith in a sky pilot at all.

F - minus for comprehension.

I know from past experience that it is useless to try and
clarify the confusion of epsilon sub-morons, ....Bye

> And that is simply disgusting to all people.

So why did YOU say it. Nothing in my post bears the remotest
similarity to your hallucinatory rambling.

Have you thought of seeking medical help with your chronic projection?
If so what advice did you receive?

> You have a psychological issue that begins with your perverse idea of
> faith, and continues to how you are an attention whore, a lonely
> attention whore who only posts the crap you do because you have
> nothing else to do.
>
> You are of no value to society.

Well, they were being harsh with you, but fair.





--

[Molo]

On Dec 30, 3:25 am, "Pelican" <water-bi...@sea.somewhere.org.ir>
wrote:
> "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Do you get the impression that if fasgnadh met The Pope, The Dali Lama
or perhaps even Billy Graham, he would insult them?

I think so.

At least fasgnadh thinks that Benny Hinn is a jerk, which is OK in my
books.

[Pelican]

"Molo" <gare...@ymail.com> wrote in message
news:e004809d-dcd6-4a38...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

Inferior people have a tendency to behave badly.

> I think so.
>
> At least fasgnadh thinks that Benny Hinn is a jerk, which is OK in my
> books.

You are confusing a knee-jerk reaction with a process process. The former
is predictable, the latter impossible.

[fasgnadh]

> My guess is that the individual does not attend a place of
> worship or act in the ways of his / her faith at all.

Lets add your 'guess' based on nothing at all to those of your fellow
psychics (you would all be well advised to actually respond to what
was SAID to you rather than make shit up and then declare you are
sure it's true):

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: How to Become a Muslim
# Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:08 -0500
# Message-ID: <hcodmd$q6q$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Always count on fasgnadh to praise the religion

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.


# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!



# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?

# From: JayPee Vee <jaype...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#

# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Subject: Re: Is fasgnadh a muslim? Sure looks like it!
# Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:03:55 -0400
# Message-ID: <huv0vq$kub$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
#
# Unlike fasgnadh, I do not support and cheer a religion

# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist

# From: Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
# Message-ID: <Xns9CBCEB9D...@216.196.97.131>
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:08:00 -0600
#

# One fine day in alt.atheism, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
# >
# > fasgnadh is an atheist.
#

# He seems to be atheist in one way or another.


Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth:

# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.

# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.

> It's easy to tell.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

Every time one of you atheist liars opens your mouth with
a new slander, you contradict the previous one! B^p

> If you have read fasgnadh's post
> over the past few years against people of free will who chose not to
> have faith in God, Gods or Goddesses, he's spouts hate.
>
> Probably Christian.

Don't you lying fuckwits ever get tired of making complete fools
of yourself.

Have you ever stopped to consider why atheism is in global decline?

Because people simply can't believe you.

> "Out demon spirits! Out I say!"

"Demon spirits"? You are completely cracked.

> LOL!

---------

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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[Ganesh]

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
> # Subject: Re: How to Become a Muslim
> # Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:04:08 -0500

> # Message-ID: <hcodmd$q6...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # Always count on fasgnadh to praise the religion
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
> # Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500

> # Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # fasgnadh is an atheist.
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups:
> alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
> # Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
> # Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400

> # Message-ID: <hucmco$5v...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # fasgnadh is still an atheist
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups:
> alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
> # Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400

> # Message-ID: <hufap5$gh...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # Oh look!
> #
> # It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400

> # Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ol...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
>

> # From: JayPee Vee <jaypee1...@gmail.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
> # Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
> #          Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
> #          demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
> # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)

> #Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea-87c2-2f5a0d1b8...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>

> #
> # Fagsnag
> #
> # he's a closet theist.
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
> # Subject: Re: Is fasgnadh a muslim? Sure looks like it!
> # Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:03:55 -0400

> # Message-ID: <huv0vq$ku...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> #
> # Unlike fasgnadh, I do not support and cheer a religion
>
> # Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist

> # From: Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com>
> # Message-ID: <Xns9CBCEB9DB71DBvic...@216.196.97.131>

> # Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:08:00 -0600
> #

> # One fine day in alt.atheism, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> # >
> # > fasgnadh is an atheist.
> #
> # He seems to be atheist in one way or another.
>
> Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
> if he doesn't know the truth:
>

> # From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>

> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
> # Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
> # Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400

> # Message-ID: <huh7l5$ts...@news.eternal-september.org>

> #
> # I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
> # then I claim you're a muslim.
>
> # From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
> # alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
> # Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
> the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism!  B^D
> # Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400

> # Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh044eoirl5cf0up...@4ax.com>

> #
> # >   Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
> #
> # Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
> # to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
> # peoples buttons.
>
>  > It's easy to tell.
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
>
> Every time one of you atheist liars opens your mouth with
> a new slander, you contradict the previous one!           B^p
>
>  >  If you have read fasgnadh's post
>
> > over the past few years against people of free will who chose not to
> > have faith in God, Gods or Goddesses, he's spouts hate.
>
> > Probably Christian.
>
> Don't you lying fuckwits ever get tired of making complete fools
> of yourself.
>
> Have you ever stopped to consider why atheism is in global decline?
>
> Because people simply can't believe you.
>

You're probably a rightist, aren't you?


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Rightist activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault
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Rightist activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child
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Rightist parole board officer and former Colorado state
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Rightist strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
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Rightist businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota
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Rightist director of the "Young Rightist Federation" Nicholas Elizondo
molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in
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Rightist president of the New York City Housing Development Corp.
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Rightist benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen
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married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly
told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to
have sex with a large number of young women.

[fasgnadh]

On 30/12/2011 4:46 PM, Enoch Turner wrote:
> On Dec 28, 3:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>
>
> Yes, he was the Deity or symbol of atheism. Just like I hear that
> Buddha is yours. Or is it Ganeshi, or Manitou? or Zeus? Perhaps
> L. Ron Hubbard? Maybe Joseph Smith of the Mormons? Perhaps like
> Prince from the rock and roll days, he's a Jehovah you know.
>
> I don't know. Your Gods are confusing. My god is clearly
> atheist. We even have a secular church called most governments in
> the free world, where other people can attend and vote!
>
> I like your idea of persecuting people who don't believe in a God!
> But if I said that I was a denizen of the Greek or Roman Gods, you
> would probably hate my guts.
>
> And that's what religion is all about, those who have faith in your
> personal God, or not.
>
> Atheists are intolerant to you, but all you do is troll, troll,
> troll. Looking to pick a fight.
>
> How religious of you.

Enoch, you poor dumb fuck, I'm an agnostic.

How come every second atheist nitwit assumes that critical analysis
of what was clearly one of the darkest epochs in human history, the
brutal, oppressive, murderous atheist tyrannies of the twentieth
century means, in your twisted, idiotic illogic, that the critic
must be a theist.

And what is incredible is you atheists then immediately FABRICATE
and project a random religious persona onto the critic of atheism,
because your can't rationally dispute the truth about atheist tyranny,
all you can do is snip and run, lie, slander, make shit up and then
flay the straw man you have created.

It's fantastic to watch, all those undecided readers can see that
you pretenders to rational thinking and critical faculty simply BELIEVE
YOUR OWN BULLSHIT WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

Which is what you hypocritically claim is what believers do. B^D

Hilarious.

Thanks for playing. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA

> Why not tell us how you contribute to your society?

It's not advisable to cast pearls before swine.

You have shown why... you are incapable of hearing what others say,
let alone comprehending the implications, so no one, having watched you
snip and run from the rational discussion, would bother to share
personal information with such a moral and intellectual bankrupt.

> Why not engage people in the benefits of how good it is to be you?

The people that matter to me already know how good life is,
what would be the point of making you poor sad sacks envious?

> Why not stop the attacks?

When people espouse Racism, Sexism, Fascism, Colonialism,
Nazism, Atheism, Communism, it is the duty of every decent
civilised human being to voice their opposition, to speak
of justice for the victims of tyranny and oppression, and
to invite you snakes to renounce it, so that the horror of
those Atheist regimes is never repeated.

Besides, when you snakes stick your heads up to attack me
for criticising atheist tyrannies, we all get to see how
modern atheists make themselves complicit in those crimes against
humanity, and your hypocritical cause reeks to high heaven.




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http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[fasgnadh]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA


You morons are dumber than dogshit!

Priceless!

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http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source

"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

[Ganesh]

"Believers"?

That's you, you freaking moron.

You actually think that atheists are "believers"?

Hey, asshole. I've spent more time as a businessman and a soldier in
countries. I have many friends who are of the 3 nations of Abraham, I
have lived in Japan and know things you will never know. One of my
best friends husband was the body guard for the Dali Lama in the
1960's, he's a Buddhist Monk (and I like him, and he likes me).
Guess what? He doesn't believe in your Jesus because he's a Buddhist
Priest! Does that disturb you?

So, fuck you, you ignorant hateful, intolerant cuss.



To be an atheist means that you need to have a grip on faith, so you
can understand it.

[Ganesh]

As an atheist, and not a crazy anti-theist, I will always tolerate
those who believe, but they need to live in a secular society and be
tolerant. I'm also a musician and though an atheist, can sit down
and play any damn Christmas Carol or related songs. The fact that
Handels Messiah brings me to tears, has nothing at all to do with
God. In fact, I consider Mormon's a cult, but think that the Mormon
Tabernacle Choir's version of 1977 is the best!

So there!

[fasgnadh]

Pelican :

> "fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:RceLq.932$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

>> Michael Gordge conceded all my criticisms of atheism and blathered:

>>> On 28/12/2011 7:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
>>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>>>>

>>>> http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/kimjongil.jpg

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,

>>>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
>>>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,

>>>> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>>>>
>>>

>>> Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
>>> about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
>>> was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
>>> to be seen or heard from again?
>>>
>>> MG
>>
>> Sorry, you want me to comment on what you mumbling morons talk about???
>>
>> That's of no interest to me whatsoever.
>
>
> A very quick white flag.

Well if you can demonstrate how in any way what he wrote constitutes
wisdom from those influential figures, then lets hear it.

And if he wanted me to tell him what rational wisdom is found in
the teachings of Jesus, or Mohammed or Buddha, then surely he would have
asked, instead of presenting us with his rhetorical gibberish.

Instead of asking for information, or (even less likely) presenting
some, why don't you all snip the subject, replace it with some
garbled nonsense, and then all congratulate yourselves on winning
the argument!


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA.


Here's a suggestion, read the paragraph Gorge disgorged and then
tell me which of the religious teachers I listed taught it.

Cite chapter and verse so we can verify why any of you think
is is part of the canon of wisdom they taught.


Feel free to put your heads together, maybe you will reach critical
brain mass and produce a rational thought.

Here's a guiding precept in logic which you might reflect upon:

Listing things that you do NOT consider wisdom does NOT
in any way prove that no wisdom exists. It merely shows
a degree of intellectual dishonesty we have come to expect
from those who do not think it is wise to discourage lying.

i.e. atheists (among others).

If it is wise to discourage lying then all of those spiritual
teachers taught wisdom.

The wisdom I referred to is copious and diverse. There are laws,
which for millennia bound communities together and provided a foundation
for their social, political and economic progress.

Here's some examples: Thou shalt not steal.

If you prefer to live in nations where it is endemic, be my guest.

ditto for Murder.

If you disagree that such laws are wise then explain why.


Then there are more subtle teachings, as the laws provided the
foundation stones to civilise primitive societies, ethical constructs
were added:

Virtues such as Compassion (Buddha's speciality, but also taught by
Jesus, Mohammed, et al) Love, Hope, Charity, Trustworthiness.

Have none of you heard of this wisdom? How deep IS your ignorance?

The role of forgiveness was explained and encouraged.

If you demonstrate how these are unwise then I will concede you have
shown religion bereft of wisdom, if not, you should concede that there
is " rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job, Isiah, Moses, Jesus,
Mohammed, Buddha" and that such wisdom is denied by atheists..
as you and Gorge and the other hangers on have demonstrated in this thread.



Or will you all continue to raise smoke and mirrors and
pretend that I, rather than those who snip and run from the very subject
of this thread, have raised a white flag?

>>>> In a sickening display of the mindless idolatry practised by
>>>> every one of the atheist tyrannies that have plagued the planet
>>>> in the previous century, hysterical zombies acted out the
>>>> brain-dead ritual grief so typical
>>>> of totalitarian regimes that espouse atheistic
>>>> materialism.
>>>>
>>>> "North Korea's government exercises virtual total control
>>>> over society and imposes state sanctioned atheism"
>>>>
>>>> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All around the globe, people who value freedom of thought,
>>>> speech and belief blithely ignored
>>>> the passing of just another atheist tyrant..
>>>>
>>>> http://p.twimg.com/AhXbU1uCEAA919Q.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "God is Dead" - Nietzsche, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim ill Fuk
>>>>
>>>>

http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/body-of-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-IN-STATE.jpg

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim is Dead" - God B^D
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Mao is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/05/07/mn_death.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Lenin is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> http://quotationsbook.com/assets/shared/img/6905/Stalin_casket.jpg
>>>>
>>>> "Stalin is Dead" - God
>>>>
>>>> .. and the last atheist regime is moribund and in terminal decline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3740852-3x2-700x467.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Atheism is a feeble joke.

[Ganesh]

On Dec 30, 7:34 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Pelican :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >news:RceLq.932$v14...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
> >> Michael Gordge conceded all my criticisms of atheism and blathered:
> >>> On 28/12/2011 7:47 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>
> >>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >>>> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> >>>>http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...

>
> >>>> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> >>>> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and all the other spiritual
> >>>> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,
> >>>> and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues! B^D
>
> >>> Where's the rational wisdom being shown when mumbling morons talk
> >>> about an unfucked woman giving birth and a stone cold dead person, who
> >>> was apparently the saviour of man, getting up and walking away never
> >>> to be seen or heard from again?
>
> >>> MG
>
> >> Sorry, you want me to comment on what you mumbling morons talk about???
>
> >> That's of no interest to me whatsoever.
>
> > A very quick white flag.
>
> Well if you can demonstrate how in any way what he wrote constitutes
> wisdom from those influential figures, then lets hear it.
>
> And if he wanted me to tell him what rational wisdom is found in
> the teachings of Jesus, or Mohammed or Buddha, then surely he would have
> asked, instead of presenting us with his rhetorical gibberish.
>
> Instead of asking for information, or (even less likely) presenting
> some, why don't you all snip the subject, replace it with some
> garbled nonsense, and then all congratulate yourselves on winning
> the argument!
>
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA

Yep, and that's who you are in one word.

Saying:

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA




You suck. And I've seen you post stuff for a couple of years.


"BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA"

Is all about you.

Not anyone here.

And that's why we regard you as a fool.

Say, fasgnadh, when was the last time someone of faith supported you
in this discussion group, in your attacks on others?

Never?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA

[fasgnadh]

On 30/12/2011 6:58 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
> Who do the deviants fear more:
> Fasgnadh or Bill the Atheist Killer or
> Loirbaj or US4Z or All Seeing or Jahnu
> or Jon Young or Dave?

I'm not interested in a competition to upset people.

It just seems that talking about the real history of atheism
makes them all hysterical and in denial.

> Your mere appearance, here,

Just One thread has them all apoplectic! B^D

I haven't been bothered with their sheltered workshop
for over 12 months, and popping in to commiserate on the
loss of the leader of their last atheist state seems to have made
them as hysterical with grief as their Nth Korean comrades.

> sends the
> atheists into a turmoil, so you must be near
> the top of their Most Feared list, Fasgnadh.

They don't like to talk about the horrific slaughter carried out by
every atheist regime in history.

Who can blame them for that, it's a more shameful past than any
religion, with no redeeming merit, as the religions have.

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 2:56 AM, Davej wrote:
>>
>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of

>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill [...]
>
>
> It's difficult to imagine anyone wanting to be such an ignorant
> religious moron troll.

It really isn't nice to speak ill if the dead like that,
and he wasn't at all religious, he was an atheist, so all the rest
is correct.

[fasgnadh]

On 29/12/2011 8:50 AM, Colanth wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:56:32 -0800 (PST), Davej<gal...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 28, 2:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com> spammed:
>> alt.atheism, talk.atheism, alt.agnoisticism, alt.religion,
>> alt.religion.christian, aus.politics, uk.politics.misc,
>> alt.politics.republicans and several more...

>>>
>>> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
>>> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill [...]
>
>> It's difficult to imagine anyone wanting to be such an ignorant
>> religious moron troll.

It really isn't nice to speak ill if the dead like that,
and he wasn't at all religious, he was an atheist, so all the rest
is correct.

> He's an attention-whore.

Most of the atheist tyrants have been.

> He doesn't care what you say to him,

that's probably because he is deceased! 8^o


> as long as you respond.

Sure, I'm alive and I know you need help.

> Most of us have him killed.

Even the media has him killed,

But we are all surprised that for once you are keeping up..

almost.

[Ganesh]

Who can argue with shit like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4hkwhOiD98&feature=fvst

[Ganesh]

"If religious music doesn't get you hard, you have no soul"

Keith Richard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BWhvIlFVE

[JohnN]

On Dec 29, 3:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 29/12/2011 7:00 AM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>
> > fasgnadh wrote:
>
> >> On 28/12/2011 9:32 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
> >>> Everywhere tried, everywhere FAILED: Atheism.
>

> >> Actually, for most of human history, while the religious
> >> built the great and enduring civilisations we all enjoy today,
> >> atheism was irrelevant, and remains so today.
>

> > Are you referring to the crowned heads ruling by divine right?
>
> No, of course not, the claim by kings that they rule by "Divine Right"
> was a claim made by men, in their own political interests, not by God.

So the kings of Israel were not installed by God. David was not chosen
by God to rule. Got it.
The European kings/queens crowned by popes and bishops, were not
anointed by God, got it.

>
> If you simpletons buy that without question then you deserve to
> be led by the nose!
>
> > They are a bit hard to find these days.
>
> Primitive Feudal societies evolved into modern democratic states,
> in every case this was the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations!

The feudal Holy Roman Empire did not exist because Charlemagne was not
crowned Imperator Romanorum by Pope Leo III in 800 CE. got it.
The feudal societies became democracies because the completely
undemocratic religious orders of the time wanted a democratic
government, not the kingdoms they created. Got it.
Please tell me the names of a few of these democratic religious
leaders.

> Churches, synagogues and Mosques were the centres of learning...
> and of medicine, charity, good works.

Centers of great wealth taken from the peasants and the poor or looted
from other countries in wars of profit.

>
> No one has ever heard of an atheist school or hospital in those
> centuries in which human society evolved from it's primitive brutality
> to modern tolerance and human rights.

The tolerant and human rights loving RCC and the Inquisition. Got it.
Pogroms against Jews. Got it.
Tolerance for witches. Got it.

>
> That long struggle was carried by the great religious scientists,
> thinkers, philosophers, doctors and teachers.

All secretly plotting to overthrow the kings and queens they crowned
in great religious ceremonies. Got it.

>
> History shows that every great and enduring civilisation was developed
> by the followers of the great religious teachers.

The great and not-so-great pagan civilizations were inspired by
religion to become great. Got it.
Caesar conquered for Jupiter not gold or power, but for God. Got it.

>
> And they claim to be inspired by God.

Rev Jim Jones. Got it.

>
> Why won't you atheists ever look at the historical evidence in a
> balanced way?
>
> The only OPENLY AVOWED ATHEIST governments in human history have ALL
> been totalitarian tyrannies - The Union of Savage Slaughter and
> Repression (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and Cultural Devolution,
> Pol Pot's genocidal madness and the only remaining Atheist State,
> your North Korean comrades.

There were never any totalitarian governments based on or supported by
religion. Got it.
Ferdinand II of Aragon was not one. Germany in the 1930's & 40's were
not either. Got it.

>
> pffft!   Neither History, nor time, are on your side.

>
>
>
> >> It never built a single free, open, democratic state, let alone
> >> the great and enduring civilisations built by believers.
>

> > Every single free, open, democratic state was founded by people
> > rejecting rulers and governments claiming a divine right to rule.
>
> Religious people, who rejected the blasphemy that Kings could
> ==========
> speak for God, when those God chose to speak for him were
> a Carpenter, an illiterate rug merchant, an abandoned child.

All with conflicting stories. God is conflicted. Got it.

>
> The simple test of truth is that the words of Jesus, Mohammed, Moses
> and the others still resonate with MILLIONS of people, guiding their
> moral behaviour..   while all the Kings are dust.

The crown heads of Europe and Asia are dust. Got it.

>
> Take the USA, they rejected the "Divine Right of Kings" heresy,
> instituted, not by Jesus, but by the Kings who perverted his teachings
> and his church, and instituted a free, open secular democracy which
> printed "In GOD we Trust"  on it's money!   B^D

A secular government which openly prays to God for support. Secular,
got it.

>
> In other words, the entire shift from MEDIEVAL European monarchies
> to Modern Secular Democracies was the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
> SOCIETIES, who evolved from a primitive hierarchical feudal paradigm
> to one in which the freedom of EVERY believer (and even the tiny,
> ineffectual minority of non-believers) was guaranteed.
>
> It was NOT the work of atheists!   B^]

The revolution of 1776 and establishment of a constitutional
government in the USA in 1787 was lead entirely by religious leaders
of the great faiths. Got it.
Remind me again of the churches the writers of the Constitution
preached in.

>
> All atheist governments ever managed to build  was tyrannical shitholes,
> Lenin and Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pot's genocidal regression
> to the stone age, North Korea, where famine leads the desperate populace
> to EAT GRASS!    8^o
>
> You can't ignore the evidence of history.

I know someone who can and does.

>
> Even after centuries of attempts to erode the religious majority
> who built and sustained the USA, the atheists have only increased
> their proportion of the US population from a feeble 0.4% in 2001 to a
> pathetic 0.7% in 2008 (ARIS) !    B^D

Erode the religious majority who built a secular government? Got it.

>
> The replacement of primitive feudal government with modern democratic
> ones is the work of MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES!

The Church of England played a significant part, no, actually lead the
revolution in the American colonies against George iII, leader of the
COE. Got it.

>
> Atheism has never produced a SINGLE decent democracy, let alone
> a great and enduring civilisation.

Religions produces enduring civilizations. Such as Rome, Athens,
Egypt, China, India, Nri, Oyop, Benin, Inca, and Myan. Got it.

>
> >> Atheists enjoy the modern secular democratic states created
> >> by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS populations in Europe, North America,
> >> Australia and the rest of the world, but without an appropriate
> >> sense of gratitude.
>

> > I'm extremely grateful that enlightened peoples all over the world have
> > rejected theocracy.
>
> You don't seem to grasp history very well.  The USA fought a war
> against the Crown, not the Church.

The colonies fought against George III, had of the Church at the time.
Got it.
IIRC, new Anglican ministers in the USA were not ordained by COE
bishops after the Revolution. Bishops elevated by the Church of
Scotland were sent to America to ordain ministers.

>
> Further, it was enlightened RELIGIOUS people who rejected theocracy
> at every step, and instituted secular democracies which prevented the
> persecution of ANY believers (freedom of religious thought), not atheists.

None of the religious persecutions in Europe since the Romans were
carried out by religious leaders, but bythe secular monarchs crowned
by the non-totalitarian religious leaders. Got it.

>
> The Atheist states, even though they occurred in the MODERN(sic) era,
> invariably PERSECUTED believers and oppressed  free thought and belief:

No one was ever persecuted by religious totalitarian theocracies
because the religious leaders were nice guys. Got it.
There are no modern theocracies anywhere because religious leaders
universally love freedom, liberty, and descent from religious dogma.
Got it.

I got too much of what ever it is you are flinging on the public. I'm
taking a hot shower now.

JohnN

[Colanth]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:16:33 -0800 (PST), JohnN
<jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 29, 3:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29/12/2011 7:00 AM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>> Churches, synagogues and Mosques were the centres of learning...
>> and of medicine, charity, good works.
>
>Centers of great wealth taken from the peasants and the poor or looted
>from other countries in wars of profit.

Arab science wasn't centered on the Mosque. Most of humanity's actual
learning had been burned by the Christians by the 5th century, so
there was nothing left to learn (except religion) until the
Renaissance - man's throwing off the influence of the Church.

>> No one has ever heard of an atheist school or hospital in those
>> centuries in which human society evolved from it's primitive brutality
>> to modern tolerance and human rights.

>The tolerant and human rights loving RCC and the Inquisition. Got it.
>Pogroms against Jews. Got it.
>Tolerance for witches. Got it.

No one ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Galen, etc., until Christianity
built churches.

It's so easy to make fun of fastnuts that it's no fun.
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:21:37 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:16:33 -0800 (PST), JohnN
><jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 29, 3:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/12/2011 7:00 AM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>>> Churches, synagogues and Mosques were the centres of learning...
>>> and of medicine, charity, good works.
>>
>>Centers of great wealth taken from the peasants and the poor or looted
>>from other countries in wars of profit.
>
>Arab science wasn't centered on the Mosque. Most of humanity's actual
>learning had been burned by the Christians by the 5th century, so
>there was nothing left to learn (except religion) until the
>Renaissance - man's throwing off the influence of the Church.

And they've got the gall to claim that knowledge and learning survived
the dark ages in the monasteries, and that this is what dragged Europe
out of them.

Compare the destruction of the library at Alexandria and the agonising
death of Hypatia, with the discovery of the ancient Greek writings in
Spain after the Moors left.

Of course the Islamic world turned fundamentalist and entered its own
dark ages at the same time Europe was dragging itself out of theirs.

[DonH]

"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:RwiLq.1104$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...

> On 30/12/2011 6:58 PM, Loirbaj wrote:
>> Who do the deviants fear more:
>> Fasgnadh or Bill the Atheist Killer or
>> Loirbaj or US4Z or All Seeing or Jahnu
>> or Jon Young or Dave?
>
> I'm not interested in a competition to upset people.
>
> It just seems that talking about the real history of atheism
> makes them all hysterical and in denial.
>
>> Your mere appearance, here,
>
> Just One thread has them all apoplectic! B^D
>
> I haven't been bothered with their sheltered workshop
> for over 12 months, and popping in to commiserate on the
> loss of the leader of their last atheist state seems to have made
> them as hysterical with grief as their Nth Korean comrades.
>
> > sends the
>> atheists into a turmoil, so you must be near
>> the top of their Most Feared list, Fasgnadh.
>
> They don't like to talk about the horrific slaughter carried out by every
> atheist regime in history.
>
> Who can blame them for that, it's a more shameful past than any
> religion, with no redeeming merit, as the religions have.
>

# Homo Sapiens, the Mad Ape, has an over-large brain, linked to primitive
instincts.
This, alone, is probably sufficient to doom us to extinction within the
next few decades - as the human plague chomps, and pollutes, its habitat.
But our large brain is obsessed with its own mental activities, or lack
of them, and Retroduction is the most common form of human "reasoning": we
decide on a desired Conclusion, and argue backwards from that to Major and
Minor Premises, ignoring or suppressing contrary facts, ideas, or opinion,
along the way.
Hence, as most people want Eternal Life (an extension of our strongest
instinct, Self-Preservation), we seize on any collection of "facts" to
support this, combining it all into Sacred Texts, which it is then Heresy to
question.
Thus the advent of Dogmatic Religions, especially the three main
Monotheistic Creeds.
Alternatively, or similarly, a Secular Utopia is also desirable, and the
same mental procedure is followed - more Dogma, and Suppression of Dissent;
whence Communism.
Western Plutocracy follows a similar pattern, but is more subtle in its
approach.
Entrenched Wealth, from prolonged compliance to the Predatory
Competition of the Corporate Jungle, gives us the European malaise, US
financial crises, and doldrums in THE Economy, generally. You may not be
persecuted for heresy - you merely lack a Job, and starve.
So, where does all this theory leave us, re Fearless Fasgnadh, and his
boring campaign to save us all from Evil Atheism?
Yes, Communism is a persecuting "Religion", but, what's new?
The Middle Ages would have done more re the Inquisition, Crusades, etc,
if it had modern technology, with gas chambers, napalm, and bunker busters.
Will Fearless himself become extinct, when the last Stalinist regime
disappears?
That would only leave Laos, Vietnam, and China, as Commie States, and
they seem to be doing alright, on the whole. Ah, but that's only due to
them becoming rather Capitalist?
Meantime, God must be lurking somewhere!
The God of the Gaps, in Science, is fading.
But there is a glimmer of hope - the God Particle!

[Jim Austin]

On Dec 29, 9:14 pm, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 29/12/2011 12:10 PM, Jim Austin wrote:
>

> > On Dec 28, 12:47 am, fasgnadh<fasgn...@yahoo.com>  wrote:

> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.
>

> >>http://www.maxbrockbank.com/lets-talk-about-me/wp-content/uploads/201...
>
> >> Only atheists could ignore the rational wisdom revealed by Abraham, Job,
> >> Isiah, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha,  and all the other spiritual

> >> guides and founders of our modern global civilisation,...
>
> > This would be the wisdom of humility, meekness, servility,
> > submissiveness,
>
> Well Jim, thanks for sharing with us YOUR idea of wisdom, although
> it seems a bit on the docile doormat side of submissive slaves and
> supine sychophants, if you ask me.  Are all of your family limp-wristed
> cake-boys, or just you?

Those aren't my ideas of wisdom. I cite the Christian ideas of wisdom:
humility, meekness, servility (Ephesians VI:5), submissiveness
(Colossians III:18), pacifism (Matthew V:39, 44); Christian politics
of divine right of kings and dictators (Romans XIII:1-7, Titus III:1)
and the Christian economics of pure communism (Acts II:44-45, IV:
34-35).

> Still it's refreshing to see one of you claiming (rather broadly and

> without any evidence)...

I'm only citing what's in the Bible.

> ...that religions produce too much passivity, while

> most of the atheists argue the opposite.

That's because atheism does not lead to any specific moral positions.
One finds atheists all over the political and moral spectrum.

> It's funny, really, because the spiritual texts of the major religions

> are quite specific about what they regard as virtues,...

Yes, quite specific. See the Bible verses I cited.

> ...and while violence is eschewed, Jesus in the Temple, overthrowing..
> ...the moneylenders tables,...

Violence in defense is eschewed while violence in aggression is
validated and legitimized.

> ...and Mohammed's military response to the persecution of the nascent

> Islamic community in Mecca and Medina
> suggest a slightly more muscular response, when confronted by violence
> and injustice, which threaten the community.

Islam as about submission to Allah, meaning those who claiming to
speak in His name, and they urge holy war against all those who don't
submit.

>  > pacifism
>
> I wish you blokes would make up your mind; the other atheists have
> been claiming that religion is one long string of violent acts, the
> Crusades, Inquisition, Holy Wars.. and that the reason there are no
> atheist civilisations is that they were all cowering in fear of
> these aggressive Christians and Muslims and Buddhists, and yet here you
> are claiming the religious were all spineless pussies!

Atheism is the result when reason is applied to religious questions.
When rationality is applied to moral questions, it leads to
condemnation of aggression and legitimization of self defense, as
oppose to religion that legitimizes aggression and condemns self
defense. When rationality is applied to political questions, it
upholds freedom and denounces tyranny, as oppose to religion that
upholds tyranny and denounces freedom.

> I guess you guys just can't decide to tell which 'exaggeration'(lie) to
> spin on any particular occasion.    B^]

Like I mentioned in this guy's previous citation of various scientists
in support of religion: people often compartmentalize their mental
functioning, applying different methodologies to different aspects of
their lives. Thus people being rational on religious questions and
becoming atheists can be irrational on other aspects of their lives,
as in, supporting pacifism.

> It is true Jesus is often referred to as the prince of Peace, and that
> Islam introduced Laws of War based on negotiated settlements, chivalry
> and Mercy..  but the sensible context always included the right to
> protect the community, if necessary with just force.

But Christianity condemned force used in self defense while Moslem's
legitimized and validated violence against unbelievers.

> Naturally there have been occasions in history where idiots and
> those of evil intent have stupidly or deliberately misinterpreted
> what is a very BALANCED credo, to justify their greed, political
> ambitions, power seeking or simple lust for revenge.

No. Those idiots of evil intent were legitimized and validated by a
correctly interpreted religion.

> We all know the examples where people CLAIMING to be followers of a
> religion ignore it's laws and principles and do harm to others.

Problem is, they can do harm to others without violating religion's
laws and principles.

> Sensible people note that the vast majority of people in those faiths
> condemn and repudiate acts of criminal violence, wars of aggression,
> acts of terror, which are forbidden by every religion.

No. They condemn criminal violence, wars of aggression and acts of
terror from the basis of a rational outlook formed during the Age of
Enlightenment. The extent that today's Christianity is benign and
civilized is due entirely to ideas of the Enlightenment, ideas formed
in opposition to Christianity's deepest tenets.

> Better to have the laws, occasionally breached by wrongdoers, than
> atheism, which has no moral or philosophical restraints on violence,
> as the world has witnessed in EVERY atheist state, where brutality,
> oppression, persecution, fear and despair ruled.

No. When one counts as atheist states those governments that operate
as if atheism were true, those upholding a separation of church and
state, like the United States of America and Western European nations.

> That's why the religions produced great and enduring civilisations,
> with occasional aberrations, while EVERY atheist state was a horrific
> aberration, and no civilisations were ever produced.

That is 180 degrees opposite of the truth. Communism has much more in
common with Christianity then it does with ideologies supporting
democratic/republican forms of government. Communism and Christianity
are both deductive systems that proclaim certain principles and
violently suppress opposing views.

>  > and the divine right of kings and dictators.

Romans XIII (RSV):

"1. Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For
there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been
instituted by God.

"2. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has
appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

> >> ...and follow these ridiculous atheist dimwits and demagogues!   B^D
>
> > We've been through this before.
>
> But while you attribute every wrongdoing thing done 'in the name
> of religion', even if by an atypical minority,  to ALL religions.

But governments dominated by religion are in fact tyrannical and do
engage in massive wrongdoing.

> while you won't acknowledge any crimes committed by atheists,...

But I do. I acknowledge crimes by communist governments in there
pursuing ideals espoused in Acts II:44-45, IV:34-35.

> ...even though EVERY atheist state was a totalitarian tyranny, EVERY

> member of the ruling coven of tyrants was an atheist, more were killed
> than by any religion in history, and atheist states have never produced
> a single decent democracy to offset the horrors.

Again, not if one counts as atheist states those states that govern as
if atheism were true, those governments that have no official
ayatollahs, oracles, high priests, popes who proclaim the will of the
Almighty but instead employ various inductive systems of trials,
hearings, debates to determine policy.

> Everyone can see how prejudiced your views are, you damn others
> for acts committed by anyone claiming to be part of a religious
> community, and make excuses for the only kind of states atheism
> has ever produced; murderous tyrannies.

Since I've previously pointed out states that govern as if atheism
were true and was never refuted, this guy is in fact lying through his
teeth.

> > Atheism is not a defining feature of communism,
>
> Horseshit!

I'm not interested in this guys culinary proclivities.

> Every member of the Politburo and
> Central Committee of the USSR and Maoist China, which together
> killed over 60,000,000 people, (far more than any religion) was
> an ATHEIST.

It doesn't make atheism a defining feature.

<Snip>

> Go fuck yourself, you apologist for Atheist Mass Murder!  B^[

This is fasgnadh's concept of a rational argument.

> > Rather communism is the belief in the economic system
> >defined in the Bible, specifically Acts II:44-45, IV: 34-35.
>
> Complete and utter bullshit.

What is? The Bible?

The verses I cited says:

“And all that believed were together and had all things common and
sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every
man had need” (Acts II:44-45 KJV)

“Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were
possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the
things that were sold. And laid them down at the apostles’ feet, and
distribution was made unto every man according as he had need” (Acts
IV:34-35 KJV).

This was the ultimate ideal pursued by those mass murderers.

> > <Snip>
>
> You can't face a rational argument because you can't make one.

I have yet to see a rational argument in any of fasgnadh's posts.

> Run along lightweight, and stop wasting our time.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

<Snip> The rest.

[Colanth]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:52:07 -0800, Christopher A. Lee
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:21:37 -0500, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:16:33 -0800 (PST), JohnN
>><jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 29, 3:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29/12/2011 7:00 AM, Frank Galikanokus wrote:
>>>> Churches, synagogues and Mosques were the centres of learning...
>>>> and of medicine, charity, good works.
>>>
>>>Centers of great wealth taken from the peasants and the poor or looted
>>>from other countries in wars of profit.
>>
>>Arab science wasn't centered on the Mosque. Most of humanity's actual
>>learning had been burned by the Christians by the 5th century, so
>>there was nothing left to learn (except religion) until the
>>Renaissance - man's throwing off the influence of the Church.
>
>And they've got the gall to claim that knowledge and learning survived
>the dark ages in the monasteries, and that this is what dragged Europe
>out of them.
>
>Compare the destruction of the library at Alexandria and the agonising
>death of Hypatia, with the discovery of the ancient Greek writings in
>Spain after the Moors left.
>
>Of course the Islamic world turned fundamentalist and entered its own
>dark ages at the same time Europe was dragging itself out of theirs.

Without the equivalent of Popes it took them longer to get in, and
it's taking them longer to get out.

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:32:21 +1100, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Don Martin swaps notes with his Whorelord on atheist perversion:
>> steve knight has been patiently waiting his turn:
>>>
>>> Are you still having sex with the neighborhood dogs?

>> You have no idea how difficult those dogs are to
>> catch a second time.
>
>You are both barking mad.

Funny you should use those words, Dog Fucker.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[sarge]

On 29 Dec, 14:16, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:32:27 -0800 (PST), sarge
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> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 29 Dec, 06:02, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:34:53 -0800 (PST), sarge
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> >> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On 28 Dec, 19:03, Colanth <cola...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:35:24 -0800 (PST), sarge
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> >> >> <greasethew...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> >> >On Dec 28, 9:47 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Global atheism suffered it's latest setback with the loss of
> >> >> >> yet another atheist despot - Kim Jong ill - quickly replaced by his
> >> >> >> equally absurd, but aptly named offspring, Kim Wrong'un.

> >> >> >The buddha was an atheist.
>
> >> >> So's the Christian god.
>
> >> >Not sure if this is ironic or not, but I would assume not.  He would
> >> >believe in his own existence.
>
> >> No belief, he'd KNOW that he existed.  He'd have no BELIEF in any god.
>
> >Knowledgeis a subset of beliefs.
>
> Knowledgeis orthogonal to belief.
> --
> "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.
> But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
> been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made
> them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" - John Adams, letter
> to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

I'm sorry, but that's just not the case in a philosophy forum. In
philosophy knowledge is considered a subset of belief. Which is why
beliefs can be justified or not, true or not, etc.