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May 16, 2011, 10:47:37 PM5/16/11
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The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
heaven.
The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
of control and power.
The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.

How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.

Conan the bacterium

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May 16, 2011, 11:28:48 PM5/16/11
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I've asked repeatedly here what Christians think
will be so attractive about heaven that they would want
to spend forever and forever and forever and forever and
forever and forever and forever and forever and forever
doing it. (I also stipulated "It's not Hell" was not an
acceptable response)

I've yet to get a single answer.


conan

Yap

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May 16, 2011, 11:33:27 PM5/16/11
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On May 17, 11:28 am, Conan the bacterium

Yes, we all know that they will treat "silent is golden".
Why do they wish to become suckers is beyond me.
All I can think of is, they are the weak bunch of human.

Zacharias Mulletstein

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May 17, 2011, 12:22:32 AM5/17/11
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"Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.

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Jesus Christ.

John Locke

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May 17, 2011, 12:28:40 AM5/17/11
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Most of them never bother to contemplate the details. They simply
accept the superficial facade of religious doctrine irregardless of
how senseless it is. How many times have you heard "God created the
world, that's all I need to know" ? And if they ever stopped to think
what an "eternity in heaven" would actually entail, they'd smell
something fishy. Of course they never do because their pastor has told
them all about being in the glory of their god. ..yeah, the one with
the nasty, maniacal, unpredictable disposition.


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"When I look upon seamen, men of science, and philosophers, man
is the wisest of all things. When I look upon priests, prophets,
and interpreters of dreams, nothing is so contemptible as a man."

Diogenes of Sinope (412?-323 BCE)

Zacharias Mulletstein

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May 17, 2011, 12:34:54 AM5/17/11
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"Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Because it will be great. We get to praise Jesus Christ in Heaven, and we
get to go to Hell during the day to help torture the damned. And we all get
to sleep on a big feather bed. And we get to walk on streets paved with
gold. What more could you want?

Virgil

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May 17, 2011, 12:50:42 AM5/17/11
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In article <iqstti$jml$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

> "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c5c7413b-cc0a-4cf9...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 16, 7:47 pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> >> tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> >> Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> >> heaven.
> >> The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> >> members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> >> to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> >> of control and power.
> >> The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> >> be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
> >>
> >> How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
> >
> > I've asked repeatedly here what Christians think
> > will be so attractive about heaven that they would want
> > to spend forever and forever and forever and forever and
> > forever and forever and forever and forever and forever
> > doing it. (I also stipulated "It's not Hell" was not an
> > acceptable response)
> >
> > I've yet to get a single answer.
>
> Because it will be great. We get to praise Jesus Christ in Heaven, and we
> get to go to Hell

Which, if it actually existed, is where you perverts belong!
--


Virgil

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May 17, 2011, 12:52:12 AM5/17/11
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In article <iqst6c$ge0$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

> "Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41424645-e8d7-4e42...@x38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> > tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> > Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> > heaven.
> > The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> > members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> > to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> > of control and power.
> > The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> > be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
> >
> > How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
>
> Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.

Considering both his and your reputations, I will put way more trust in
Hawkings being right than in your being even sane.
--


Conan the bacterium

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May 17, 2011, 1:58:24 AM5/17/11
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On May 16, 9:34 pm, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
> "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c5c7413b-cc0a-4cf9...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com...

I revise my statement: I have yet to get a single
non-trolling answer.


conan

Yap

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May 17, 2011, 2:49:14 AM5/17/11
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On May 17, 12:34 pm, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
> "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c5c7413b-cc0a-4cf9...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com...

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 7:47 pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> >> tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> >> Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> >> heaven.
> >> The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> >> members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> >> to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> >> of control and power.
> >> The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> >> be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
>
> >> How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
>
> > I've asked repeatedly here what Christians think
> > will be so attractive about heaven that they would want
> > to spend forever and forever and forever and forever and
> > forever and forever and forever and forever and forever
> > doing it.  (I also stipulated "It's not Hell" was not an
> > acceptable response)
>
> > I've yet to get a single answer.
>
> Because it will be great.  We get to praise Jesus Christ in Heaven, and we
> get to go to Hell during the day to help torture the damned.  And we all get
> to sleep on a big feather bed.  And we get to walk on streets paved with
> gold.  What more could you want?

Wow, you are taking the reality of this world into your heaven?
So, the heaven has feather beds, gold paved streets? Those are
material things in this real world, not in a fantasy land.
Of course you know nothing about anything, just imagine that you will
be the hangman of your stupid christ?
If he is any good, he won't have to die more than 2000 years ago,
won't he?

Richo

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May 17, 2011, 3:02:28 AM5/17/11
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On May 17, 12:47 pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> tale for those who are afraid of darkness

Which is, of course, as amazing as Joe Kassinsky, fishmonger saying
"heaven is just a fairy tale".
It is not necessary to be a world famous scientist to notice the
completely obvious, and being a famous scientist adds no more weight
to the observation.
Ordinary non - famous people who left school at 14 years old have just
as much information on the subject of heaven as the most brilliant
theoretical physicist or most learned theologian - that is to say -
none at all..
All anyone can "know" about heaven are the various myths about it.


Mark.

Richo

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May 17, 2011, 3:04:49 AM5/17/11
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On May 17, 2:52 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article <iqst6c$ge...@dont-email.me>,
>  "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
>
>
> > "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:41424645-e8d7-4e42...@x38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

> > > The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> > > tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> > > Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> > > heaven.
> > > The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> > > members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> > > to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> > > of control and power.
> > > The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> > > be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
>
> > > How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
>
> > Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.
>
> Considering both his and your reputations, I will put way more trust in
> Hawkings being right than in your being even sane.
>

I am as much an expert on heaven as Hawking is.
On quantum mechanics and cosmology - not so much.
8-)

Mark.

Sulfate

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May 17, 2011, 3:27:45 AM5/17/11
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On May 16, 10:28 pm, Conan the bacterium

John Milton provided a pretty good concept: a place of continual
challenge and constant personal/intellectual development. A place
where there is always something new to experience and learn, and one
is never bored or unstimulated. Hell was considered to be a kind of
Bizzaro-heaven.

I'll grant him that it's appealing, albeit silly and devoid of any
kind of scriptural support.

Michael Gray

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May 17, 2011, 5:01:14 AM5/17/11
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"Hawking", not "Hawkings".


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The scientific method is accepted because it works, not because it is believed.
- Christopher A. Lee

Michael Gray

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May 17, 2011, 5:02:21 AM5/17/11
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It is called "Laziness".

Miles Davis

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May 17, 2011, 5:50:30 AM5/17/11
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On 17 Mai, 11:01, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 22:52:12 -0600, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >In article <iqst6c$ge...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:41424645-e8d7-4e42...@x38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >> > The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> >> > tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> >> > Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> >> > heaven.
> >> > The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> >> > members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> >> > to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> >> > of control and power.
> >> > The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> >> > be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
>
> >> > How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
>
> >> Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.
>
> >Considering both his and your reputations, I will put way more trust in
> >Hawkings being right than in your being even sane.
>
> "Hawking", not "Hawkings".

You're talking to the guy who pretends not to know how to write
"atheism"...

Zacharias Mulletstein

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May 17, 2011, 6:00:35 AM5/17/11
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"Michael Gray" <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, Virgy, get it right.

MarkA

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May 17, 2011, 11:32:43 AM5/17/11
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What about the virgins? Aren't there supposed to be a crapload of virgins
in Heaven? I hope they have nice teeth, and aren't into homemade tattoos.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

MarkA

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May 17, 2011, 11:34:41 AM5/17/11
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It is human nature for the strong to prey on the weak. Religion is just
one more way of doing it.

John Locke

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May 17, 2011, 11:37:31 AM5/17/11
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You're right about that. They take easy route and denounce science
in favor of "god did it", but they sure as hell don't complain when it
comes time to reap the benefits from evolutionary research.
Reminds me of the story of the lazy grasshopper and the hard working
ant...except we never let them starve to death in the cold of winter.

Conan the bacterium

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May 17, 2011, 1:55:40 PM5/17/11
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<>


<>

Well, he did actually manage to make the Garden
sound throat-catchingly appealing to me, no small feat.
And of course Satan was totally The Man.

But then he wandered into blame-the-chick
for the Fall, even going so far as to say that
noble Adam only took a bite so the he wouldn't
be separated from silly little Eve. Kind of lost
me right there.

I didn't know that anyone actually *read*
Paradise Regained, but now you've got
me intrigued.


conan

Conan the bacterium

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May 17, 2011, 1:59:07 PM5/17/11
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On May 17, 8:32 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:34:54 -0500, Zacharias Mulletstein wrote:
>
> > "Conan the bacterium" <deinococcus0radiodur...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:c5c7413b-cc0a-4cf9...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
> >> On May 16, 7:47 pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> >>> tale for those who are afraid of darkness. Of course it is, unless the
> >>> bigots can point to us where is this heaven.
> >>> The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> >>> members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected, to
> >>> spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center of
> >>> control and power.
> >>> The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can be
> >>> very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
>
> >>> How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
>
> >> I've asked repeatedly here what Christians think will be so attractive
> >> about heaven that they would want to spend forever and forever and
> >> forever and forever and forever and forever and forever and forever and
> >> forever doing it.  (I also stipulated "It's not Hell" was not an
> >> acceptable response)
>
> >> I've yet to get a single answer.
>
> > Because it will be great.  We get to praise Jesus Christ in Heaven, and we
> > get to go to Hell during the day to help torture the damned.  And we all
> > get to sleep on a big feather bed.  And we get to walk on streets paved
> > with gold.  What more could you want?
>

<>

> What about the virgins?  Aren't there supposed to be a crapload of virgins
> in Heaven?  I hope they have nice teeth, and aren't into homemade tattoos.

Geez, I hope not. I'd be crying out to God wondering
how I had offended Him so that he stuck me with virgins.

I want women who, in the words of a girl firend:
"Look like they Know How".


conan

Colanth

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May 17, 2011, 2:17:49 PM5/17/11
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On Mon, 16 May 2011 20:28:48 -0700 (PDT), Conan the bacterium
<deinococcus...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've asked repeatedly here what Christians think
>will be so attractive about heaven that they would want
>to spend forever and forever and forever and forever and
>forever and forever and forever and forever and forever
>doing it. (I also stipulated "It's not Hell" was not an
>acceptable response)

"Being with God" or "being close to God" ARE acceptable responses?
--
"I don't believe in an afterlife, so I don't have to spend my whole
life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the
tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse."
- Isaac Asimov

Colanth

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May 17, 2011, 2:21:55 PM5/17/11
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On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:34:54 -0500, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

>We get to praise Jesus Christ in Heaven

You get to do that now.

>and we get to go to Hell during the day to help torture the damned.

Whoever told you that is having you on.

>And we all get to sleep on a big feather bed.

Too poor to do that now?

>And we get to walk on streets paved with gold.

Come to New York City.

>What more could you want?

Higher speed internet (I only have a 1GB pipe here, and once I'm out
on the internet itself I'm limited to the same slow crap all of you
are), 50,000 TV channels (none of them religious), Don't Pay Per View,
the ability to eat anything, all day long, and stay healthy and young.
Oh, and no theists.
--
"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the
aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles
against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from
God" - Martin Luther, 1533

Colanth

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On Tue, 17 May 2011 00:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Sulfate <sh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>John Milton provided a pretty good concept: a place of continual
>challenge and constant personal/intellectual development. A place
>where there is always something new to experience and learn, and one
>is never bored or unstimulated.

That's because Milton was intelligent. Zachy doesn't have the
intelligence of Milton's shoelace aglet.
--
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're told. Religion
is doing what you're told, not matter what is right." - Jerry
Sturdivant

Colanth

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May 17, 2011, 2:25:25 PM5/17/11
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On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:22:32 -0500, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

>Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.

Considering that Einstein called Hawking the greatest mind since
Newton, I don't even have to bother doubting that. If you were
10,000% more right you still wouldn't even be wrong.
--
Armageddon means never having to say you're sorry.

Virgil

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In article <iqth07$fvv$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

> "Michael Gray" <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:7ae4t65pkmgeh1iq9...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 16 May 2011 22:52:12 -0600, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <iqst6c$ge0$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> "Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:41424645-e8d7-4e42...@x38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >>> > The great scientist, Hawking, just said that heaven is just a fairy
> >>> > tale for those who are afraid of darkness.
> >>> > Of course it is, unless the bigots can point to us where is this
> >>> > heaven.
> >>> > The motive behind this advocation of fantasy land is to draw more
> >>> > members and believers so that vast amount of money can be collected,
> >>> > to spend on expanding the cult organisation into a even better center
> >>> > of control and power.
> >>> > The promise of something unreal is very easy and the sweet words can
> >>> > be very satisfying, for the guillible and the willing suckers.
> >>> >
> >>> > How unfortunate for the certain segment of our human society.
> >>>
> >>> Well Hawking is wrong, and I'm right.
> >>
> >>Considering both his and your reputations, I will put way more trust in
> >>Hawkings being right than in your being even sane.
> >
>
> "Hawking", not "Hawkings".
>
> Yeah, Virgy, get it right.


Do I need an apostrophe as in
"I will put way more trust in Hawking's being right than in your being
even sane."
--


Michael Gray

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May 18, 2011, 6:11:20 AM5/18/11
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Teeth?
Have you ever had fellatio performed by a virgin with teeth?

Michael Gray

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May 18, 2011, 6:12:19 AM5/18/11
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On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:23:52 -0400, Colanth <col...@pern.invalid>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2011 00:27:45 -0700 (PDT), Sulfate <sh...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>John Milton provided a pretty good concept: a place of continual
>>challenge and constant personal/intellectual development. A place
>>where there is always something new to experience and learn, and one
>>is never bored or unstimulated.
>
>That's because Milton was intelligent. Zachy doesn't have the
>intelligence of Milton's shoelace aglet.

Not a word one encounters around here a lot.
"intelligence"

Michael Gray

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May 18, 2011, 6:13:36 AM5/18/11
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Grammar Nazi's Rules'!

Michael Gray

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May 18, 2011, 6:14:29 AM5/18/11
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And a marvellously successful one, at that!

Alex W.

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May 18, 2011, 7:34:12 AM5/18/11
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I thought the vagina dentata was a myth?

Michael Gray

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May 19, 2011, 7:18:24 AM5/19/11
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On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:34:12 +0100, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

It is a myth.
But virginia dentatia obstructia is not.
Unless I am existing in a fairy tail (sic).

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