Why are Atheists so obsessed with religion?
Misc
Misc
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
I mean, look at you. You drone on and on and on about how one obscure
verse in the bible contradicts another obscure verse in the bible.
(You study the bible more than any Christians -- go ahead, admit it.)
You must read every religious press release every day from every
religion, all over the world, and put it under a microscope, wasting
hours to try to find something, anything derogatory to put up here.
Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
Read the writings of the Church father's in the first, second and
third centuries AD. You've already been absolutely refuted by people
that who are by far your intellectual superiors. They demolished your
forerunners, who understood religion and atheism far better than you
ever will.
But most of all -- geeze man -- free yourselves from the shackles you
created for yourselves, to religions that you profess you don't
believe in. Live your own lives while you can, you damned religion
fanatics.
Syd M.
Well, if the religious loons would just leave us alone, we'll shut up
about religion. But, that's not going to happen.
PDW
Robibnikoff
"Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in message
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> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
Who pissed in your Cheerios, loser?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Robibnikoff
Budikka666
You make people with nothing intelligent to say look positively
brilliant.
Budikka
Jimbo
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
And yet, here you are, posting to alt.atheism about how fanitical
other people look. And you don't see the irony in that, do you?
ed wolf
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
Wait til we are through with excommunicating
those heretic "agnostics", miscellaneous
believers of all creed and color are next
in our Glorious Reconquista. In vast
mass ceremonies we will have public
towelings to symbolize getting rid of
holy water, making each former theist
stand up, eyes wide open, and say the
ancient words "I am".
ed wolf
Congregatio de Propaganda Infide
He who desires to worship God must
harbor no childish illusions about the
matter but bravely renounce his liberty
and humanity
Mikhail Bakunin
Misc
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
It's so easy to get Atheists to make my point for me.
Thanks.
Don Martin
OK, who polished this guy's scalp?
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Don Martin
>Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
>asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
>throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
>you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
Please cite a single thorough refutation of which you speak. Thank you.
Incidentally, stuff written by "church fathers" is valid only within the church,
so please confine your thorough refutation to something with an empirical basis.
Richo
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
Twin Towers - New York City.
Any questions?
Mark
Olrik
How old are you?
Olrik
> Thanks.
Misc
Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
Any more questions?
panam...@hotmail.com
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Why are doctors so obsessed with cancer?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Robibnikoff
panam...@hotmail.com
Not unless the point you were trying to make is this:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/images/atheist-cartoon.gif
Misc
I've seen too many sites where poor, picked upon Atheists whine about
being "accosted" by religious fanatics, trying to force their religion
on them, when two old biddies from the Jehovah's Witnesses show up a
their front door.
They tell us, how they were "traumatized" by the encounter. Grow some
cajones people (especially if you claim to be a man). Old biddies
from the Jehovah's Witnesses show up at my door too. They're a
nuisance, nothing more.
Practice this reponse: "No thank you, I'm not interested." If the
old biddies continue to "terrorize" you, say it again and close the
door.
Then go on with your life. Really, your time on earth is too short to
obsess about Jehovah's Witnesses.
Misc
> "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>
> <reality deleted>
> --
> Robyn
> Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
> BAAWA Knight
> #1557
-----
Reality scares the shit out of you doesn't it?
Misc
Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
Any more questions?
So what's the bullshit? That Stalin and Mao Tse Tung weren't Atheists
or that they didn't kill millions of people?
No answer? Didn't think so.
Richo
> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> > Twin Towers - New York City.
>
> > Any questions?
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
known to man.
But yeah I know he was a bad guy - I did some history in High school.
> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> Any more questions?
I didnt have any questions.
Mark.
panam...@hotmail.com
> On Nov 22, 4:51 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> > "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>
> > <bullshit deleted>
> > --
> > Robyn
> > Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
> > BAAWA Knight
> > #1557
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> Any more questions?
Yeah. Why are you posting the same old debunked bigoted bullshit in
alt.atheism?
http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/AtheismKilled.htm
Misc
Yeah, neither did I on the post before that -- I was just trying to
fit in.
Any questions?
Misc
Why are oranges not like apples?
Misc
<Nothing> Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
link.
Debunked in your mind. Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
history.
panam...@hotmail.com
No, it's the same reason. To see pain and suffering and want to cure
it.
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoB!
raven1
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 3:03�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
So are you an obnoxious asshat in real life, or do you just play one
on Usenet?
Misc
Good point. They do say an apple a day keeps the doctor away.
raven1
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 4:30�pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, where did you get your absurdly inflated figures? And why might
you think that this somehow reflects on all atheists? (BTW, feel free
to catch up to the rest of the world: it's been spelled "Mao Zedong"
for several decades now. Do you still refer to the capital of China as
"Peking"?)
panam...@hotmail.com
I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
you're really a bigot.
-PF, Atl.
2015/KoB!
Misc
The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao Tse
Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
also Atheists.
(Undeniable facts are by definition reality.)
That makes you a brother traveler with these murderers, doesn't it? (I
mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Misc
From the fanatic, religion, nut-job website -- Wikipedia.com
"The Soviet Union was an atheist state from 1928-1939, in which
religion was largely discouraged and heavily persecuted, and a secular
state in 1945 until its dissolution."
Wack-a-doodles aren't they? (Damn bigots!)
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
"Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in message
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Why are you such a lying asshole?
Brian E. Clark
dea079...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
a...@aliencreeps.com says...
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
One can create a delicious dipping sauce using only butter,
brown sugar, cinnamon and honey. Mmmmmmmmm.
--
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Brian E. Clark
Brian E. Clark
c77136...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
a...@aliencreeps.com says...
> Reality scares the shit out of you doesn't it?
You've never even shaken hands with reality.
Brian E. Clark
3f8130...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
a...@aliencreeps.com says...
> > Any questions?
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
It didn't take you long to dip into the fallacies, did it?
Don't worry, no one was expecting anything better of you.
Brian E. Clark
@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, a...@aliencreeps.com says...
> > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> It's so easy to get Atheists to make my point for me.
It's so easy for you to win arguments, when your method of
judging a point consists of a) posting, then b) declaring
victory.
Brian E. Clark
quotht...@nevermore.com says...
> > Any more questions?
>
> Yes, where did you get your absurdly inflated figures?
They come from the same rectal region as the rest of his
commentary.
trog69
> On Nov 22, 4:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
> Why are doctors so obsessed with cancer?
BOOM!
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
> On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> verse in the bible contradicts another obscure verse in the bible.
> (You study the bible more than any Christians -- go ahead, admit it.)
>
our faces, it helps to know your enemy.
>
> You must read every religious press release every day from every
> religion, all over the world, and put it under a microscope, wasting
> hours to try to find something, anything derogatory to put up here.
>
Where is your objective evidence for this god thing?
So far, not one single xtian has presented anything in the way of an answer.
>
> Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
> asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
> throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
> you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
>
Only because we aren't given much chance to talk about issues and ideas
that we would like to talk about. Fucking godbothers keep coming here
to shit on our carpets. It gets a little old reading every day that you
are the scum of the earth, because you don't believe in fairy tales.
>
> Read the writings of the Church father's in the first, second and
> third centuries AD. You've already been absolutely refuted by people
> that who are by far your intellectual superiors. They demolished your
> forerunners, who understood religion and atheism far better than you
> ever will.
>
And yet, those really smart people you talk about, can't provide one
shred of objective evidence to support their assertions. BTW,
complementing history does not support the writings of the "church
fathers". In fact, there is more historical evidence showing the bible
to be false, that supports it.
But you wouldn't understand actual history, it shakes up your little
house of cards.
>
> But most of all -- geeze man -- free yourselves from the shackles you
> created for yourselves, to religions that you profess you don't
> believe in. Live your own lives while you can, you damned religion
> fanatics.
>
Love too. Will you shut the fuck up about gods,the bible, satan,
religion and all the fairy tales you've been told are true?
Thought not. So guess what, you will be challenged every time you post
noise in this group. If you don't like it, leave. Trust me, you won't
be followed.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
hear from us. But they can't seem to stop sticking their noses in where
they don't belong. Every time some religious nut tries to force others
to live as they want them to, you'll hear from us, loud and clear.
Get over it. We won't shut up till they do.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
>>
>>> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>>
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
>
> Any more questions?
>
do so again.
No questions, just observations. Your fairy tales are disgusting.
Mike Jones
> "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in message
>
> <SMACK>
>
> Nobody asked you, dickweed.
I want to see that moment again, in slo-mo. ;)
(Did anybody get it on camera?)
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zamboni30...@yahooonspam.com
<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:24:12 -0800 (PST), Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
>>Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
>>asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
>>throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
>>you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
>
>Please cite a single thorough refutation of which you speak. Thank you.
>
>Incidentally, stuff written by "church fathers" is valid only within the church,
>so please confine your thorough refutation to something with an empirical basis.
>
>
>-
>
>aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
> Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
>The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
I, for one, am shocked, shocked I tell you, that the church finds the
church's teachings to be true because the church said so.
Back in the helicopters guys, we've been beaten. The church says so.
--
zamboni30000 AA#2139
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 5:59�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 4:51�pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>>
>> > <bullshit deleted>
>> > --
>> > Robyn
>> > Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
>> > BAAWA Knight
>> > #1557
>>
>> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>>
>> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>>
>> Any more questions?
>
>Yeah. Why are you posting the same old debunked bigoted bullshit in
>alt.atheism?
>
>http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/AtheismKilled.htm
Austin Cline used to be a ewgular gere in the 1990s.
hypa...@comcast.net
> "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3ba648d7-d847-40c6...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
It disturbs him that we atheists know more about
religions than most Christians do. He doesn't
understand that we study actual history to learn
what is or isn't the real thing. And, it angers him
that historians have found out that Christianity is
mostly mythology and there probably never was
a Jesus. I can see how that might ruffle his feathers.
Still, he should take this up with his ministers.
After all, we aren't the ones who have been
either totally ignorant themselves or lying to
him his entire life.
all, we aren't the ones
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
>
>
You had no point. And, you were put down for this.
If you enjoy being stomped on, that's your problem.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:05:13 -0800 (PST), Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
> >> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> >It's so easy to get Atheists to make my point for me.
>
>
We all did. He asked to be scalped.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
>
> > Any questions?
>
>
> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> Any more questions?
Nope. The Church murdered millions over the centuries.
The Protestants not quite so many, though they tried.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> > Twin Towers - New York City.
>
> > Any questions?
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> Any more questions?
I forgot to add that they killed for power, not atheism.
walksalone
@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 22, 5:17�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 6:10�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 5:03�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > <Nothing> �Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> > link.
>>
>> > Debunked in your mind. �Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> > history.
>>
>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>> you're really a bigot.
>
> The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
Small correction, your version of reality challenged. Reality is what is
left over when the Bolshevik leaders.
> You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao Tse
> Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
> also Atheists.
Yet, neither of those two killed in the name of atheism. I like those at
killed in the name of xianity, or Islam.
Are you denying the following historical data.
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were
destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because
they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian
teachings..."
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand
of Christian authorities. [DA466]
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]
Mission
Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to
Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes:
between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near
Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights
of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without
any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle,
women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful
soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh,
ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which
were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and
should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to
civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei
sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and
freinds on the grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
Crusades (1095-1291)
First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively.
[WW25-27]
Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(number of slain unknown) [WW30]
after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000
slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's]
tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according
to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten
by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim,
men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was
such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our
foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our
Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon
the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of
human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain.
It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs
strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon
them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves,
dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought
terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure
alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer
in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition".
One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of
Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown,
numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20
million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]
Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.
Heretics
Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six
followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth
control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was
exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E.
and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely
sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman
Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-
nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all
the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to
turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated.
[WW183]
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and
destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
[WW183]
Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many
others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live
today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least
hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding
victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220
burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at
the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven
years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on
2/17/1600.
Witches
from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand.
in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars
several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
[WV]
incomplete list of documented cases:
The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times
Religious Wars
15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action).
[DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels
in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius
V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After
murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head,
his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but]
then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they
hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of
Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000
Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found
beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the
breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
Jews
Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.
Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on
command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first
synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on
command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated,
and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not
convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total.
Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss,
Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz,
Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France,
Prag/Czech) [EJ]
Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln,
Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in
Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years
of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain,
25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the
brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had
been forced to wear.
1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]
(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into
the kilns of Auschwitz.
Native Peoples
Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader)
the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to
propagate Christianity.
Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in
the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he
said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians,
because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as
[the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman,
referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are
hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the
ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the
Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the
requerimiento continued:
I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in
your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to
the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that
we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and
resist and contradict him." [SH66]
Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay
Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New
England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to
raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-
imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the
marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g.
the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the
natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath
cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a
rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural
resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish
raids.
As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be
counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench
was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to
take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than
descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians
went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ...
They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to
prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of
Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped
around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from
some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton
for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute
beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by
dogs." [SH83]
The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before
the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were
exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other
caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's
millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a
quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a
single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of
years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
"And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and
Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of
Tenochtitln [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors
likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
"When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the
Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead."
[SH95]
Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
Amerikkka.
Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native
help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among
(north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European
standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the
words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less
bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side".
Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is
more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
(generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave
Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live
among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed
(sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be
staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures
were restricted for fellow englishmen: "This was the treatment for those
who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter,
because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different:
"when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing
to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force,
burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the
colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout
War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from
persecution in their own home country England.
When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett
Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's
pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because
when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the
Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned
their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And
indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits,
that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of
them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the
Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did
the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men,
women, children. [SH113-114]
So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to
give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need
for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
destroy them..." (Deut 20)
Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody
sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that
"sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with
their parents". [SH114]
Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists
even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children
from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to
draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by spanish
methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near.
[SH107-119]
The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude.
John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of
the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke
good'." [SH115]
Other tribes were to follow the same path.
Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give
us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the
Dust!" [TA]
Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed
with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon
(sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall
have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire
Corne'." [SH106]
In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men,
women and children. [SH107]
In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the
Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'."
[SH115]
To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people
in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century
later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck
people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to
920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about
30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The
Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely
6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of
the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on
the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678
had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was
before the frontier age actually had begun.
A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were
destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by
smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly
by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even
today.
More Glorious events in US history
Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the
colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large
packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]
Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be
wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and
children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500
killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six
years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few
steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were
afterwards killed ..." [SH131]
More gory details.
By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage
that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or
more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of
the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat
equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]
20th Century Church Atrocities
Catholic extermination camps
Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by
no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also
in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha
under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor
to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for
children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan
friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were
murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in
kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed
first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to
death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a
rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The
atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi
"Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who
did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to
prevent them. [MV]
Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated
the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been
supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the
victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese
were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many
Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in
Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics,
who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a
scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have
brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the
fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam.
[MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was
given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or
had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The
only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."
Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks
were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist
teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and
burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison
Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which
in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as
well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during
this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in
street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or
tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps.
[MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American
GI's lost their life.
Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had
been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two
Catholic priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Wrzburg
- additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist
rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered
with wounds - her parents, both of them fanatical Catholics, were sentenced
to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests
was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of
pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the
seventeenth century Wrzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch
burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has
become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]
Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several
hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the
Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively
involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were
printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused
members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at
all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:
"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital
Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and
allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have
accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there
has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even
two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the
threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain
part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no
church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being
brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them
over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are
mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime
to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu
killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in
her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and
were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The
other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers
of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched
the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She
is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set
on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]
As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come
to an end.
If today Christians talk to me about morality, this is why they make me
sick.
References:
[DA]
K.Deschner, Abermals krhte der Hahn, Stuttgart 1962.
[DO]
K.Deschner, Opus Diaboli, Reinbek 1987.
[EC]
P.W.Edbury, Crusade and Settlement, Cardiff Univ. Press 1985.
[EJ]
S.Eidelberg, The Jews and the Crusaders, Madison 1977.
[LI]
H.C.Lea, The Inquisition of the Middle Ages, New York 1961.
[MM]
M.Margolis, A.Marx, A History of the Jewish People.
[MV]
A.Manhattan, The Vatican�s Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY,
1992.
[NC]
J.T.Noonan, Contraception: A History of its Treatment by the Catholic
Theologians and Canonists, Cambridge/Mass., 1992.
[S2]
Newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany, 10/10/96, 12:00.
[SH]
D.Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.
[SP]
German news magazine Der Spiegel, no.49, 12/2/1996.
[TA]
A True Account of the Most Considerable Occurrences that have Hapned in the
Warre Between the English and the Indians in New England, London 1676.
[TG]
F.Turner, Beyond Geography, New York 1980.
[WW]
H.Wollschlger: Die bewaffneten Wallfahrten gen Jerusalem, Zrich 1973.
(This is in german and what is worse, it is out of print. But it is the
best I ever read about crusades and includes a full list of original
medieval Christian chroniclers' writings).
[WV]
Estimates on the number of executed witches:
N.Cohn, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch Hunt,
Frogmore 1976, 253.
R.H.Robbins, The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, New York 1959,
180.
J.B.Russell, Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, Ithaca/NY 1972, 39.
H.Zwetsloot, Friedrich Spee und die Hexenprozesse, Trier 1954, 56.
That is reality with footnotes.
And here is a common theme among xian leaders until humanitarianism put a
stop to the rampages in the name and for the glory of god.
Kill them all. God will select those who should go
to heaven and those who should go to hell.
[Abbot Arnold de Citeaux, 1205]
Before you want to pretend that atheism is a driving force for slaughter of
humanity, you need to be sure that you know what you're talking about.
Yes, there have been an atheist leaders. Yes, they had some rather brutal
regimes. And in part are responsible for the capitalization of the
countries they once ruled.
> (Undeniable facts are by definition reality.)
Your definition, I don't accept that. I have seen people with your mindset
make claims for undeniable facts that reality could not support. Such as
there is a God.
> That makes you a brother traveler with these murderers, doesn't it? (I
> mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
No, no more than it makes you individually responsible for the crusades.
> What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Indeed, that is a common saying is not necessarily true. It's called
folklore for a reason, one that will probably continue to elude you on your
journey to pretend to be somebody that you are not. I'm not certain who you
think you are, would you come across as being ill-informed, arrogant, self-
centered, pretentious, & are not all that bright.
Individuals are responsible for action, atheists lack the luxury of having
a God to forgive them so they can go do it again. Frankly, that's a luxury
I can do without.
Now assuming that you are going to have a fit of repetition, and assuming
that you're going to continue to imply that atheism indicates all atheists
are the same, I bid you farewell, and don't let the door hit you on your
ass on the way out.
By the way, thank you for trying to keep you attempt to be unimpressive to
the atheist newsgroup. At least you're boring only one newsgroup this way.
walksalone who has long since learned that even though they are, as a
group, purportedly better than anybody else because, god loves them, the
majority of decent ones that have been personally encountered during a
lifetime of 60+ years can probably be counted on one hand. It seems to be a
reverse ratio thing. The more devout, the less trustworthy and decent. The
quiet one, usually a bit of all right but, still easily led by the creature
in the pulpit.
If you wish to respond to this particular missive, feel free to do so.
However, if you do are super going to toot your horn and and pretend that
atheists are all the same, don't bother. It wouldn't be worth the effort to
open the message.
Fine clothes may disguise, but
silly words will disclose a fool.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Nov 23, 9:44 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> > > Twin Towers - New York City.
>
> > > Any questions?
>
> > Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
> known to man.
> But yeah I know he was a bad guy - I did some history in High school.
>
> > Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> > Any more questions?
>
>
None of us did, since this misc character is just
repeating the same old lies.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Nov 22, 5:17 pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> > > On Nov 22, 5:03 pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > <Nothing> Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
> > > link.
>
> > > Debunked in your mind. Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
> > > history.
>
> > I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
> > you're really a bigot.
>
> The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
>
> Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
> also Atheists.
>
>
> mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
>
First, you get the figures wrong (deliberately?), then
you insist that Stalin and Mao Zedong (which you
insist on misspelling) killed people because they
were atheists. That this is a proven lie. The problem
is with you and the fact that you enjoy your prejudice
against atheists. Stalin and Mao killed people that
they thought were a threat to their power and control
over people. Atheism is a lack if belief. You don't kill
people over a lack of something. This has been
explained to you several times, but you ignore it.
You're only in alt.atheism to be a trouble-maker,
aren't you.
By the way, using your own argument - if you are
a Catholic, you are brother to the Inquisition and
'witch' burners; if you are Protestant, you are
brother to 'witch' burners and to the people who
burned people simply because they weren't
Protestants. Congradulations! You've admitted
that you are a bigot and brother to murderers.
Smiler
> On Nov 22, 4:51 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>> "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>>
>> --
>> Robyn
>> Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
>> BAAWA Knight
>> #1557
>
>
>
They were both men. So they killed because they were men?
Both Hitler and Stalin had moustaches. Did their moustaches make them mass
murderers?
--
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The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
hypa...@comcast.net
<brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <3ba648d7-d847-40c6-a3fc-
> dea0792fc...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> a...@aliencreeps.com says...
>
> > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> One can create a delicious dipping sauce using only butter,
> brown sugar, cinnamon and honey. Mmmmmmmmm.
>
thinking about it!
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 22, 5:17?pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 6:10?pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 5:03?pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > <Nothing> ?Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> > link.
>>
>> > Debunked in your mind. ?Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> > history.
>>
>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>> you're really a bigot.
>
>
> "The Soviet Union was an atheist state from 1928-1939, in which
> religion was largely discouraged and heavily persecuted, and a secular
> state in 1945 until its dissolution."
>
> Wack-a-doodles aren't they? (Damn bigots!)
When did you escape from Dallas County, little apostate from reality?
(Free clue: secular != atheist.) Maybe you should learn English before
amusing those far more literate than you.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 2, Houston 1 (OT, November 22)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 25 at Hamilton, 6:05
The Chief Instigator
> On Nov 22, 5:17?pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 6:10?pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 5:03?pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > <Nothing> ?Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> > link.
>>
>> > Debunked in your mind. ?Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> > history.
>>
>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>> you're really a bigot.
>
>
> You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao Tse
> Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
> also Atheists.
>
> (Undeniable facts are by definition reality.)
An anonymous coward (that's you) didn't establish your "proof". I've been
atheist for going on a half-century, and I've yet to kill anyone. (The same
goes for my wife, albeit a bit shorter, ca. 35 years or so.)
> That makes you a brother traveler with these murderers, doesn't it? (I
> mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
Typical kook...get off your besotted ass and PROVE it, for once. (Free
clue: Dzhugashvili and Mao are history. Live in the present, for once.)
> What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I'm sorry you weren't at Crystal Beach in the early hours of September 13
last year.
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 6:10�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 5:03�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <Nothing> �Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> link.
>>
>> Debunked in your mind. �Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> history.
>
>I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>you're really a bigot.
We have gone through all this many times before and there is no
need to go through it again as the misguided Christian educated
opinions of some anonymous person is as of nothing and can be
disregarded entirely.
We know what we are, we know that Stalin did not do what he
did because he was atheist as he claims but that all the Christian
atrocities down the centuries are based on a book written by
barbaric people in more barbaric times than our owns. The
Israeli people still act according to these ancient mores.
Nothing the Israelites do or have done should be used as a
modl for good behavoir. Their Bible should be consigned to
the scapheap.
Chrstians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing
themselves for being associated with such barbarity and
for what has been done in their name as a result.
Whilst the acts of Stalin, Hitler and other religious butchers
down the ages, from the medieval Popes to the Incas and modern
Islam make me ashamed to be a human being, I know that, being
atheist in itself does associated me in any way with any of these
atrocities whilst Christianity should hold its head in shame for all
that was done in its name. At least, as a human being I have
recognised the root cause of our shame and have dissasociated
myself from Christianity. We atheists can at least be proud
of that. There is no sin in being proud of doing the right.
In particular Christianity also stands condemned for for the outcome
of the educatation they gave Stalin, Hitler and many more
killers. Both came from devout Christian famiies and Stalin even won
a scholarship to a seminary. Never again should Christians be allowed
to teach our children as their education can be held in part
responsible for the actions of all those bullies the world had to
endure for nigh on two thousand years now, We do not, of
course discriminte between religions. We know what Islamic
religious education has produced. The same for Inca teachings,
Hindu and Sikh teaching and other religions like the barbaric
nothertg gods.
If they had been educated by atheist families and taught to
develop their natural morality and to respect the rights of
others they would not have done what they did.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Kilmir
> On Nov 22, 4:25 pm, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:05:13 -0800 (PST), Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
> > >On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
>
> > OK, who polished this guy's scalp?
>
>
> > aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
> > Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
> > The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
>
> being "accosted" by religious fanatics, trying to force their religion
> on them, when two old biddies from the Jehovah's Witnesses show up a
> their front door.
>
> They tell us, how they were "traumatized" by the encounter. Grow some
> cajones people (especially if you claim to be a man). Old biddies
> from the Jehovah's Witnesses show up at my door too. They're a
> nuisance, nothing more.
>
> Practice this reponse: "No thank you, I'm not interested." If the
> old biddies continue to "terrorize" you, say it again and close the
> door.
>
> Then go on with your life. Really, your time on earth is too short to
> obsess about Jehovah's Witnesses.
It isn't about JW's. It's about dangerous stuff like:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142851.php
The ignorance spread by religions is dangerous for society and
progress. It's archaic, a relic from our ignorant past, and the time
has arrived that it should be expunged from society.
Les Hellawell
>On Nov 22, 5:17�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 6:10�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 5:03�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > <Nothing> �Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> > link.
>>
>> > Debunked in your mind. �Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> > history.
>>
>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>> you're really a bigot.
>
>The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
>
>You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao Tse
>Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
>also Atheists.
>
Ok allowing these two for now, how many more can you cite? For every
so called atheist* we can name several Christians. Stalin is more than
amply parallelled by Hitler. Lenin is more than paralleled by the
medieval Popes. Mao, if he was an atheist, can be equalled by several
previous Emperors. Who have you got to equal Henry VIII, Elizabeth I,
Bloody Mary, The last King of France, Charlemange, and many many more
Christian tyrants. And that is before we even start to consider other
religions and minor Christian kllers and catholics like the pedophile
priests and would be terrorist like Guido Falkes. Who have you
got to parallel those?
Stalin claims to be atheist*, do we take Stalin at his word just
on this and nothing else he ever said? What was his definition of
'atheist'. It is certainly no atheism I recognise. There is nothing
about not believing a god or gods exists that makes me want to
kill and my natural sense of morality makes it abhorrent for
me to intentionally harm others anyway. You will not find many
atheist killers in our prisons.
As we know Stalins natural sense of morality was supressed in
favour of an imposed and unworkable Christian 'morality '
that even Christians seem not to understand or follow.
(otherwise why would crime be so high in Christian countries?)
>(Undeniable facts are by definition reality.)
Not necessarily.
>
>That makes you a brother traveler with these murderers, doesn't it? (I
>mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
That is a clear lie as shown above but the we know all about Christan
morality don't we?
>
>What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Agreed.
Les Hellawell
<spams...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>Misc <b...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in news:32ad63d6-b34c-47f9-8ff3-b8ea835c95d3
>@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 22, 5:17嚙緘m, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Nov 22, 6:10嚙緘m, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Nov 22, 5:03嚙緘m, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > <Nothing> 嚙盤ike a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>>> > link.
>>>
>>> > Debunked in your mind. 嚙磅ome of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>>> > history.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>>> you're really a bigot.
>>
>> The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
>
>Small correction, your version of reality challenged. Reality is what is
>left over when the Bolshevik leaders.
>
>> You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao Tse
>> Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and were
>> also Atheists.
>
>Yet, neither of those two killed in the name of atheism. I like those at
>killed in the name of xianity, or Islam.
>Are you denying the following historical data.
>
> Ancient Pagans
>As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were
>destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
>Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
>Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
>Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
>famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
>Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
>Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because
>they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
>According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian
>teachings..."
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
>In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand
>of Christian authorities. [DA466]
>The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
>pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a
>Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
>[DO19-25]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
> Mission
>Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to
>Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
>Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes:
>between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near
>Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights
>of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
>Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without
>any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle,
>women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful
>soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh,
>ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which
>were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and
>should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to
>civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei
>sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and
>freinds on the grounde".
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
> Crusades (1095-1291)
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
>Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
>thousands. [WW23]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
>9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively.
>[WW25-27]
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
etc....
>A.Manhattan, The Vatican嚙編 Holocaust, Springfield 1986.
All:
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti
Amen
(In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost amen)
Continued...
Atheist next?
There is a clear and present threat and will.
>
>
>Before you want to pretend that atheism is a driving force for slaughter of
>humanity, you need to be sure that you know what you're talking about.
>
>Yes, there have been an atheist leaders. Yes, they had some rather brutal
>regimes. And in part are responsible for the capitalization of the
>countries they once ruled.
>
>> (Undeniable facts are by definition reality.)
>
>Your definition, I don't accept that. I have seen people with your mindset
>make claims for undeniable facts that reality could not support. Such as
>there is a God.
>
>> That makes you a brother traveler with these murderers, doesn't it? (I
>> mean, hey, you *do* paint with a broad brush around here, don't you?)
>
>No, no more than it makes you individually responsible for the crusades.
>
>> What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>
>Indeed, that is a common saying is not necessarily true. It's called
>folklore for a reason, one that will probably continue to elude you on your
>journey to pretend to be somebody that you are not. I'm not certain who you
>think you are, would you come across as being ill-informed, arrogant, self-
>centered, pretentious, & are not all that bright.
Well for one thing he posts anonymously indicating that he is ashamed
to be associated with Christianity. Understandable I suppose.
If I were a Christian I would be walking alone too. Here Christians
are mostly avoided as being just a bit strange or wierd
>Individuals are responsible for action, atheists lack the luxury of having
>a God to forgive them so they can go do it again. Frankly, that's a luxury
>I can do without.
>
>Now assuming that you are going to have a fit of repetition, and assuming
>that you're going to continue to imply that atheism indicates all atheists
>are the same, I bid you farewell, and don't let the door hit you on your
>ass on the way out.
>
>By the way, thank you for trying to keep you attempt to be unimpressive to
>the atheist newsgroup. At least you're boring only one newsgroup this way.
>
>walksalone who has long since learned that even though they are, as a
>group, purportedly better than anybody else because, god loves them, the
>majority of decent ones that have been personally encountered during a
>lifetime of 60+ years can probably be counted on one hand. It seems to be a
>reverse ratio thing. The more devout, the less trustworthy and decent. The
>quiet one, usually a bit of all right but, still easily led by the creature
>in the pulpit.
>
>If you wish to respond to this particular missive, feel free to do so.
>However, if you do are super going to toot your horn and and pretend that
>atheists are all the same, don't bother. It wouldn't be worth the effort to
>open the message.
>
>Fine clothes may disguise, but
>silly words will disclose a fool.
Remember
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti amen.
Les Hellawell
The difference of course is that these Christians klled,
"In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti"
Whilst Stalin killed in the name of Stalin
as educated, "In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti"
He was certainly never given a secular education
and taught to respect others
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 5:17�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 6:10�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 22, 5:03�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > <Nothing> �Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>> > link.
>>
>> > Debunked in your mind. �Some of us deal in reality not in revisionist
>> > history.
>>
>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>> you're really a bigot.
>
>From the fanatic, religion, nut-job website -- Wikipedia.com
>
>"The Soviet Union was an atheist state from 1928-1939, in which
>religion was largely discouraged and heavily persecuted, and a secular
>state in 1945 until its dissolution."
Unlike Christian states where anything but Christ-insanity of the
correct brand was brutally supressed, Guess who taught Stalin?
You got it - Christians
>
>Wack-a-doodles aren't they? (Damn bigots!)
In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti.
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 5:01�pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 9:44�am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:> On Nov 22, 4:30�pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 23, 8:03�am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>>
>> > > Twin Towers - New York City.
>>
>> > > Any questions?
>>
>> > Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>>
>> Or 15 million - the number is one of the most variable statistics (un)
>> known to man.
>> But yeah I know he was a bad guy - I did some history in High school.
>>
>> > Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>>
>> > Any more questions?
>>
>> I didnt have any questions.
>
>Yeah, neither did I on the post before that -- I was just trying to
>fit in.
>
>Any questions?
Why are you ashamed to associate your real name with
Christianity and hide behind a mask called 'Misc'?
I am rightly proud to be atheist hence:
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>On Nov 22, 4:48�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 4:03�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> Why are doctors so obsessed with cancer?
>>
>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
>> aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
>
>Why are oranges not like apples?
Evolution Mr. Anonymous. Evolution.
What you need to know is that lies are not like
the truth.
BTW Why are you ashamed to associate your real name
with Christ-insanity but instead hide behind a mask?
Jimbo
> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> > Twin Towers - New York City.
>
> > Any questions?
>
> Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
Stalin was an Eastern Orthodox Christian. He ever applied to the
priesthood at one time.
Jimbo
> On Nov 22, 4:25 pm, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
> > >> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
>
> > OK, who polished this guy's scalp?
>
> > -
>
> > aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
> > Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
> > The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
>
> I've seen too many sites where poor, picked upon Atheists whine about
> being "accosted" by religious fanatics, trying to force their religion
> on them, when two old biddies from the Jehovah's Witnesses show up a
> their front door.
Fortunately, they don't come around here any more. My take is that
if you come around once and are told not to come back, that's
witnessing, if you come around again after that, that's just rude,
when you come around without regard to whether people want you or not,
that's fanatical, if you are so fanatical that people eventually have
to get a court order stating that you can only come around between the
hours of 10 AM and 6 PM, and never to the homes of people that tell
you never to come back, that's a community telling you that you're
fanatical.
Jimbo
> On Nov 23, 9:44 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
>
> > > Any questions?
>
> > Atheist Stalin killed around 60 million.
>
> known to man.
> But yeah I know he was a bad guy - I did some history in High school.
>
He was a bad guy, but he wasn't atheist.
walksalone
news:qmukg5pic6nt9ps1d...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:52:40 +0000 (UTC), walksalone
> <spams...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>
>>Misc <b...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>>news:32ad63d6-b34c-47f9-8ff3-b8ea835c95d3
>>@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 5:17�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Nov 22, 6:10�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Nov 22, 5:03�pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > <Nothing> �Like a trained monkey, he, she, it copied and pasted a
>>>> > link.
>>>>
>>>> > Debunked in your mind. �Some of us deal in reality not in
>>>> > revisionist history.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't call your bigotry "reality", except for the fact that
>>>> you're really a bigot.
>>>
>>> The problem is, you are reality challenged, my friend.
>>
>>Small correction, your version of reality challenged. Reality is what
>>is left over when the Bolshevik leaders.
>>
>>> You can't seem to accept the undeniable *fact* that Stalin and Mao
>>> Tse Dung were responsible for the deaths of millions of people and
>>> were also Atheists.
>>
>>Yet, neither of those two killed in the name of atheism. I like those
>>at killed in the name of xianity, or Islam.
>>Are you denying the following historical data.
snip long list of xian less than socially acceptable behaviour.
>>If you wish to respond to this particular missive, feel free to do so.
>>However, if you do are super going to toot your horn and and pretend
>>that atheists are all the same, don't bother. It wouldn't be worth the
>>effort to open the message.
>>
>>Fine clothes may disguise, but
>>silly words will disclose a fool.
>
> Remember
> In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti amen.
After that addition to what was an overdose alrady, I'll be glad to
forget. Now where is my whiskey bottle?
walksalone who dos believe that are things better forgotten, & excuses
invoked to glorify gods should be used against the terrorist that invokes
them.
BACCHUS, n. A convenient deity invented by the ancients as an
excuse for getting drunk. Devil's dictionary
Budikka666
> On Nov 22, 4:51 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> > "Misc" <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote in
>
> > <bullshit deleted>
> > --
> > Robyn
> > Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
> > BAAWA Knight
> > #1557
>
>
>
> Any more questions?
>
> or that they didn't kill millions of people?
You're right, they didn't kill millions of people. They ordered
others (the majority of whom had been religious) to kill for them, and
those "I'm no longer religious because I have no faith and wish to
save my skin" minions did all the killing for them.
Now I've answered your question, please answer mine:
1a. What scientific or objective evidence do you have that there's
any god or gods?
OR
1b. If you're supposed to be agnostic, then why are you bashing
atheism without giving equal time to theism?
2. Why do you feel the need to promulgate lies in support of whatever
the heck it is you think you're saying?
3. Why do you blame atheism for the evil of some ancient wack-jobs,
whose evil had nothing to do with atheism but was entirely to do with
paranoia and stupidity, but refuse to blame religion for the evils
which they perpetrate, evil which is specifically done in the name of
their god(s)?
Budikka
Syd M.
> On Nov 22, 4:30 pm, Richo <m.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 23, 8:03 am, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> > Twin Towers - New York City.
>
> > Any questions?
>
>
> Atheist Mao Tse Tung killed around 70 million.
>
> Any more questions?
Lying for christ.
How... pathetic.
PDW
Sanity's Little Helper
> On Nov 22, 3:03�pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> I mean, look at you. You drone on and on and on about how one obscure
> verse in the bible contradicts another obscure verse in the bible.
> (You study the bible more than any Christians -- go ahead, admit it.)
>
> You must read every religious press release every day from every
> religion, all over the world, and put it under a microscope, wasting
> hours to try to find something, anything derogatory to put up here.
>
> Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
> asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
> throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
> you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
>
> Read the writings of the Church father's in the first, second and
> third centuries AD. You've already been absolutely refuted by people
> that who are by far your intellectual superiors. They demolished your
> forerunners, who understood religion and atheism far better than you
> ever will.
>
> But most of all -- geeze man -- free yourselves from the shackles you
> created for yourselves, to religions that you profess you don't
> believe in. Live your own lives while you can, you damned religion
> fanatics.
You're pretty damn good at outsmarting yourself, aren't you?
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Don Martin
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:25:07 -0500, Don Martin
><drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:24:12 -0800 (PST), Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
>>>asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
>>>throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
>>>you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
>>
>>Please cite a single thorough refutation of which you speak. Thank you.
>>
>>Incidentally, stuff written by "church fathers" is valid only within the church,
>>so please confine your thorough refutation to something with an empirical basis.
>>
>
>I, for one, am shocked, shocked I tell you, that the church finds the
>church's teachings to be true because the church said so.
>
>Back in the helicopters guys, we've been beaten. The church says so.
Oh damn! AGAIN?
Mike Painter
>> I mean, look at you. You drone on and on and on about how one
>> obscure verse in the bible contradicts another obscure verse in the
>> bible. (You study the bible more than any Christians -- go ahead,
>> admit it.)
Know thy enemy.
If it wasn't for education Christianity would still be like it was 600 years
ago.
The RCC would still have treh power and will to kill anybody who disagreed
with them.
Alex W.
Only in the wider sense. What really broke their neck was the
translation of scripture into the vernacular and its speedy mass
publication. Suddenly, anybody who could read could check up on
what the priests and their church were claiming, and could, if
need be, counter scripture with scripture. Secularisation as a
result of the Enlightenment and the spread of education would not
have been possible without Luther and Gutenberg.
Jimbo
What the previous poster doesn't seem to realize is that many
atheists, myself included, was raised as christians, taught christian
dogma, etc... before deciding that it made no sense whatsoever. For
me that realization came at about the age of four or five. "Jimbo!
You skallywag! You're too smart for your own good!" as my grandmother
would say. Hell, I even won prizes for memorizing verses and being
able to recite entire chapters when I was a boy/teen. In retrospect,
it was probably a mistake to let me get such a wide overview of the
bible. The more I read, the less sense the thing made. :D.
Frankie Lee
So you must have heard of Judas Iscariot,and why should anyone looks
strange for people who may fall by the wayside,chose the broad and
easy way out?
You are a prove of those who fell by the wayside.Narrow is the way to
life.
Frankie Lee
Thanks for highlighting Luther.So I guess you better check what Luther
believe.
Jimbo
You're a crackpot, Frankie. I didn't fall by the wayside, I stepped
away from the obvious hypocrisy.
> chose the broad and
> easy way out?
>
Only a moron like you would think that those that did not choose to
worship a nonexistent god chose the easy way out. Indeed, it would
have been far easier to have gone with the flow of christian fascism
and fear mongering.
> You are a prove of those who fell by the wayside.Narrow is the way to
> life.- Hide quoted text -
And idiocy is the way of your life. No thank you, I am quite happy
with my choices.
Robibnikoff
Robibnikoff
Alex W.
I'm not terribly interested in the opinions of a wife-beating
anti-Semite.
SkyEyes
> On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, Misc <a...@aliencreeps.com> wrote:
>
> > You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
> verse in the bible contradicts another obscure verse in the bible.
> (You study the bible more than any Christians -- go ahead, admit it.)
Actually, my bible study days are long past. However, since I grew up
christian fundamentalist, I studied the bible quite a bit. This is
true of a number of the regulars in alt.atheism.
So no, we don't study the bible *now* - but we have studied it in the
past, when w were christians.
> You must read every religious press release every day from every
> religion, all over the world, and put it under a microscope, wasting
> hours to try to find something, anything derogatory to put up here.
Actually, you open a news site and generally an article on religion is
RIGHT THERE, upfront, waiting to trip you up. You don't have to look
for them.
For instance: right now there's a move on in the United Nations to
outlaw any kind of mockery of religion. It's being pushed by several
muslim nations. Links to articles about it are all over the MSM new
sites.
> Then you waste more hours on newgroups, like this one, repeating every
> asinine and childish argument against religion that has ever been
> throughly refuted, for hundreds and sometimes thousands of years and
> you always imagine it's a fresh, new argument.
Er, Sparky, I hate to tell you, but the ones spouting the stale and
oft-refuted arguments are the *theists*.
> Read the writings of the Church father's in the first, second and
> third centuries AD. You've already been absolutely refuted by people
> that who are by far your intellectual superiors. They demolished your
> forerunners, who understood religion and atheism far better than you
> ever will.
Been there, done that. The arguments are weak. The only people those
arguments convince are people who are *already believers*.
It always comes down to this: do you have any objective, verifiable
evidence that *any* god exists? If you do, please post it here:
> But most of all -- geeze man -- free yourselves from the shackles you
> created for yourselves, to religions that you profess you don't
> believe in. Live your own lives while you can, you damned religion
> fanatics.
As soon as theists (of all flavors) stop invading alt.atheism, and as
soon as:
~ Theists (of all flavors) stop trying to get legislation passed
that benefits themselves and their religion,
~ As soon as atheists are no longer looked upon as second class
citizens merely because they don't share in theists' loony delusions
about the supernatural,
~THEN we'll be able to turn our attention to something else. And we
will. With *pleasure*.
And by the way: why the hell are *you* here?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Brian E. Clark
@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, hypa...@comcast.net
says...
> > One can create a delicious dipping sauce using only butter,
> > brown sugar, cinnamon and honey. Mmmmmmmmm.
>
> Wow, Brian. Two of my teeth fell out just
> thinking about it!
It's a wonderful dip for sweet potato fries! :)
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Brian E. Clark
Christopher A. Lee
<brian...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
>In article <3ba648d7-d847-40c6-a3fc-
>dea079...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>a...@aliencreeps.com says...
>
>> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
>
>One can create a delicious dipping sauce using only butter,
>brown sugar, cinnamon and honey. Mmmmmmmmm.
My sauces are usually based around the juices from the meat when it
cooks. Especially when it is pot roasted with herbs, onions,
mushrooms, tomatoes etc which release all their juice as well. Or wine
added to the pan to dissolve the dried meat juices after steak or
chops are fried.
MarkA
> You make the "religious fanatics" look tame.
because that's what "atheism" means: lack of belief in god(s). I could
personally also call myself an "alycanthropist", because I do not believe
in werewolves, but there are no massively funded groups trying to get my
government to pass laws favorable to those who do believe in werewolves,
so it would not be a very useful term.
It's really not that hard to understand. Perhaps if you dove head first
into a shallow pool of water, your brain would re-boot into a
full-functioning mode.
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:39:27 -0800 (PST), "hypati...@comcast.net"
discovered politics and revolution and that was the end of
his never achieved priesthood.
hypa...@comcast.net
Yes, he was an atheist. But, that was because he
discovered that the priests had lied to him all his
life, so he transferred his anger into politics and
revolution.
Budikka666
I see yet another pathetic and worthless coward has shrunk away like a
limp Peter at the passion.
Let it be known to all you LYING creationists and dirtbag fundies who
troll this newsgroup - ALT.ATHEISM IS DEFENDED.
Budikka
Les Hellawell
But was he atheist? We only have his word on that and I would
like to know what he understood 'atheist' to be.
We have had example on this newsgroup of 'born again'
Christians claiming they were once atheists on the grounds
they 'had lost god' or 'rejected god' even hated or were
angry with god. In all cases there is a belief there is
god to hate, etc. so, of course they were not atheist,
as claimed, but theist all along.
hypa...@comcast.net
Don't tell Luther that. He'd be furious! ;-)
hypa...@comcast.net
<brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cd0722e5-612b-4962-958c-d66b931634f2
> says...
>
> > > One can create a delicious dipping sauce using only butter,
> > > brown sugar, cinnamon and honey. Mmmmmmmmm.
>
> > Wow, Brian. Two of my teeth fell out just
> > thinking about it!
>
> It's a wonderful dip for sweet potato fries! :)
>
night when I made some stuffing, I poured some turkey
gravy all over it. Delicious! There's still some left, come
to think of it. Yum!
hypa...@comcast.net
Orthodox priest. He lost all interest in that, once he learned
about politics.
Nomen Publicus
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You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been
invented to justify hate. -- Richard A. Weatherwax